alBHAGDADI:
I never admitted that you preach in those countries. Read my post again. How can you boldly preach from house to house in countries where you are afraid of building kingdom halls? Don't you think the thing you are scared of will still get you especially when you go from house to house?

So according to u, preaching discreetly, means house to house?

Deadlytruth:


Pride, arrogance and carnal mindedness is when one refuses to heed scripture-based corrections but terms it jealousy.
The Bible is against house to house preaching, so you can't claim you are doing the right thing by getting involved in it.
You either accept that you are wrong or prove us wrong with superior evidence from the same Bible. Is the Bible no longer our ultimate guide?

Bro, permit me to come inhere. The Bible is not against house to house preaching.
Read Acts 5:42. And every day, in the Temple and from house to house, they continued to teach and preach this message: "Jesus is the Messiah."
All I see in this thread is nothing but malice, hatred, jealous and ridicule for Jehovah witnesses. 'Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks'.

It's not a must you accept their teaching. If you continue to attack them, it won't stop them. They follow the bible strictly. Besides, if you think they're not doing enough or the method of teaching is not appropriate, or there are not preaching in some lands go there, preach there and device your and do your own thing.
'If you can't join them, then beat them'


He that thinks he's standing should be aware he does not fall.

switnpea:
Jealousy is when some one thinks he knows what is right, and yet not doing it. And when they sees one doing the right thing they become UNNECESSARILY furious...

May God destroy the useless JW dirty bastards, may you all rot in Hades

Hail Hitler, Seig Heil Ich Habt gegwagt , where was Yahweh when Hitler killed over 11 million dirty JW?

Tolax17:


Bro, permit me to come inhere. The Bible is not against house to house preaching.
Read Acts 5:42. And every day, in the Temple and from house to house, they continued to teach and preach this message: "Jesus is the Messiah."
All I see in this thread is nothing but malice, hatred, jealous and ridicule for Jehovah witnesses. 'Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks'.

It's not a must you accept their teaching. If you continue to attack them, it won't stop them. They follow the bible strictly. Besides, if you think they're not doing enough or the method of teaching is not appropriate, or there are not preaching in some lands go there, preach there and device your and do your own thing.
'If you can't join them, then beat them'


He that thinks he's standing should be aware he does not fall.

The problem JWs have is the tendency to pick a verse and treat it in isolation of the rest parts of the Bible thereby giving interpretations that are out of context thus making the Bible appear incoherent to unbelievers.
With the way you have just quoted Acts 5:42 to defend your sentiments without taking cognizance of the already mentioned Luke 10:7 which appears contradictory, an unbeliever genuinely seeking the truth would be confused and just dismiss the Bible as a cock and bull story.
See why Christianity is looking more and more unacceptable each day?

Please go and read from chapter 2 so that you get a grasp of the circumstances surrounding what happened in the verse you referenced. Judging from the context of the previous three chapters, those visited at home were already believers, hence weren't undergoing fresh proselytization for which house to house visits were forbidden by Christ Himself.

As for the bolded: you are wrong altogether.
Your accusations here are actually inverted because it is well known that it is the JWs that have for years formed the habit of preaching out of malice, hatred, jealousy' and the intention to ridicule other Christians. Your magazines are full of hate messages against other Christians. Your magazines are not ready for publication if you have not created an article to pass judgements on other Christians particularly Catholics. Why not join Catholics if you can't beat them? Have your own attacks on other Christians been able to stop them either, despite they don't waste spaces in their own magazines to reply you? It takes a hate filled people to suspect hate in others. Out of the abundance of your own hearts you have spoken hatred, castigation, malicious publications against other Christians and called them names. How are the purveyors of hatred and divisiveness seeing same in others? If it appears to you that some of the doctrines of other Christians are wrong, is that enough for you to accuse them of worshipping a false God? Were the Christians in Asia Minor churches not in error at different times until Paul would come around to correct them again? Did that mean that each time they were sincerely ignorant of the scriptures, they were automatically worshipping a false God? And who told you that you yourselves are better custodians of the scriptures above everyone else?
Even if you think you are, are you not rather supposed to join them in interdenominational conferences and point it out to them rather than begin to castigate them before unbelievers? Are you yourselves perfect and faultless? And by the way how many of your own glaring faults have you ever acknowledged?
Of course the way it appears in your eyes that your organization follows the Bible strictly is the same way it appears to all other Christians that their own churches too strictly follow the Bible. Shouldn't it have therefore been ideal for every Christian group to meet on a round table regularly to rob minds towards clarifying one another? But your organization is always too self opinionated and standoffish to see sense in that.

God, with all his wisdom and omniscience called onto the ignorant man in Isiah Chapter 1 saying; "Come let us reason together......". What knowledge does man really posses to reason together with God? But God still called him out to rub minds with. But unfortunately, sinful and ignorant men today proudly claim they alone are knowledgeable enough to interpret the Bible correctly without the need to rub minds with others. Which denomination is most notorious in this regard? Your guess is as good as mine.
And remember that you broke away from these other Christians. Why couldn't you remain with them and rather die trying to correct the heresies you thought you observed in them? Paul the Apostle had the power, the clout, the knowledge, etc required to break away from the Jerusalem Temple for refusing to abandon the apostasy of Judaism for Christianity, but Paul decided to remain a member of that temple and die trying to make them cast of their heretic beliefs despite the enormous persecution he suffered repeatedly in their hands. Wouldn't it have rather been easier for him to just go and form his own religion and start recruiting new followers whose minds he would poison against the temple in Jerusalem? But he never did. Whenever he returned to Jerusalem he always visited the temple to try correcting their doctrines however much it looked futile to keep trying.

Deadlytruth:


Had a single Kingdom Hall been attacked by Boko Haram, the JWs would have repeatedly made it headlines in their magazines as evidence of persecution of the "true religion", and be accusing Christendom.
But here we are with the victim Christian churches not even making any issues out of the attacks because they know that persecution should normally be expected as Christ had forewarned them.
The other denominations secretly rejoice to find themselves worthy of persecution and tribulations for Christ while JWs resent and cry against in through every means available to them.

No be small. Dem still dey cry about their members that Hitler killed till today like say only dem Hitler killes.

Wait, these people are not expecting to be persecuted?

removetheturban:
Is the Holy Spirit at work in you?

Yes, He is. He is not you?

mitchyy:


I'm not at your beck and call because I choose when to respond to you and how much time I spend doing so.

If this is how you speak with witnesses who visit you, I'm not shellshocked they stopped coming.

You are not asking questions to be informed. Be truthful to yourself. All I see is accusations, sarcasm and statements laced with untruth. Those who are asking to know, are not hard to spot.

You said we are being discouraged from engaging in personal study, which to me is the biggest boldfaced lie I've ever read here about us. My God!
When anyone who attends our meetings know how much we hammer on engaging in deep personal study? Bro, why? Do you have to go that far in your campaign against witnesses?
Those engaging you in discussions here are just wasting their time to be honest, me inclusive.

As for the first bolded, all my questions here are from the Bible's perspective evidenced by my backup with Bible citations. I did not ask you the questions from my personal sentiments. So if you accuse me of sarcacism, anti-JW campaign and untruths then you indirectly accuse the Bible of same.
And for that, I wish you well.

As per the second bolded; I made the assertion not from my own sentiments, but based on the confession of a JW member I once shared workplace office with. And for the fact that before then I had read in "Mankind's Search For God" a chapter in which it was categorically stated that JW alone is the denomination whose members speak in worldwide harmony on any issue hence solely fulfils the criterion for qualification as God's approved organization, I always took this my colleague's opinion on any issue as representative of JWs position worldwide.
I remember him telling me that a council of 8 New York elders are responsible for the authorship and adjustments of JW doctrines and literature. On asking him what happens if his own discoveries from deep personal studies reveal clearly that those 8 elders council in New York are actually in error as they too are mere humans after all, his response was that he is not allowed by the organization's doctrine to hold onto those discoveries or even air them out in fellowship meetings as he could start being perceived as weakening in faith.
What choice did I have other than to believe he was speaking the mind of every other JW member all over the world judging from that chapter I had earlier read from "Mankind's Search For God"? That is the danger of boasting about attaining a level you have not really attained.

Emmanystone:

No be small. Dem still dey cry about their members that Hitler killed till today like say only dem Hitler killes.

Wait, these people are not expecting to be persecuted?

The way they cry and wail inconsolably about their experiences in prosecution leaves one wondering whether the apostles who rejoiced for being flogged by the Sanhedrin were different from the disciples whom Jesus forewarned of persecution and asked them to joyfully count it as spiritual gain.
And these people try everyday to convince others that they are the alpha and omega as regards scriptural knowledge and interpretation.
People are known by their fruits and not by their utterances.
Meanwhile who will cry for the unquantifiable persecution, physically and spiritually, endured by the Anglican and Catholic missionaries who on arrival had to contend against the powers of territorial deities and spirits that inhabited most parts of Africa coupled with physical resistance by savage native tribes?
Empty containers actually make the loudest noise.

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freshboi88:
Jws are not Christians and it is not a Christian group. Pple who don't believe Jesus is God are not followers of Jesus. Christians are pple who follow and worship Jesus not only in words but also in actions, in essence they act like Jesus, that's why they were called Christians n d first place.

Read your bible , TRUE worshippers will worship the Father - John 4:23

cybriz82:


u guys keep refering jesus Christ as servant of God Bt why

Jesus is called a servant of God in the scriptures - Act 3:13

Jehovah's witnesses believed Christ is the son of God .

Deadlytruth:

The problem JWs have is the tendency to pick a verse and treat it in isolation of the rest parts of the Bible thereby giving interpretations that are out of context thus making the Bible appear incoherent to unbelievers.
With the way you have just quoted Acts 5:42 to defend your sentiments without taking cognizance of the already mentioned Luke 10:7 which appears contradictory, an unbeliever genuinely seeking the truth would be confused and just dismiss the Bible as a cock and bull story.
See why Christianity is looking more and more unacceptable each day?

Please go and read from chapter 2 so that you get a grasp of the circumstances surrounding what happened in the verse you referenced. Judging from the context of the previous three chapters, those visited at home were already believers, hence weren't undergoing fresh proselytization for which house to house visits were forbidden by Christ Himself.

As for the bolded: you are wrong altogether.
Your accusations here are actually inverted because it is well known that it is the JWs that have for years formed the habit of preaching out of malice, hatred, jealousy' and the intention to ridicule other Christians. Your magazines are full of hate messages against other Christians. Your magazines are not ready for publication if you have not created an article to pass judgements on other Christians particularly Catholics. Why not join Catholics if you can't beat them? Have your own attacks on other Christians been able to stop them either, despite they don't waste spaces in their own magazines to reply you? It takes a hate filled people to suspect hate in others. Out of the abundance of your own hearts you have spoken hatred, castigation, malicious publications against other Christians and called them names. How are the purveyors of hatred and divisiveness seeing same in others? If it appears to you that some of the doctrines of other Christians are wrong, is that enough for you to accuse them of worshipping a false God? Were the Christians in Asia Minor churches not in error at different times until Paul would come around to correct them again? Did that mean that each time they were sincerely ignorant of the scriptures, they were automatically worshipping a false God? And who told you that you yourselves are better custodians of the scriptures above everyone else?
Even if you think you are, are you not rather supposed to join them in interdenominational conferences and point it out to them rather than begin to castigate them before unbelievers? Are you yourselves perfect and faultless? And by the way how many of your own glaring faults have you ever acknowledged?
Of course the way it appears in your eyes that your organization follows the Bible strictly is the same way it appears to all other Christians that their own churches too strictly follow the Bible. Shouldn't it have therefore been ideal for every Christian group to meet on a round table regularly to rob minds towards clarifying one another? But your organization is always too self opinionated and standoffish to see sense in that.

God, with all his wisdom and omniscience called onto the ignorant man in Isiah Chapter 1 saying; "Come let us reason together......". What knowledge does man really posses to reason together with God? But God still called him out to rub minds with. But unfortunately, sinful and ignorant men today proudly claim they alone are knowledgeable enough to interpret the Bible correctly without the need to rub minds with others. Which denomination is most notorious in this regard? Your guess is as good as mine.
And remember that you broke away from these other Christians. Why couldn't you remain with them and rather die trying to correct the heresies you thought you observed in them? Paul the Apostle had the power, the clout, the knowledge, etc required to break away from the Jerusalem Temple for refusing to abandon the apostasy of Judaism for Christianity, but Paul decided to remain a member of that temple and die trying to make them cast of their heretic beliefs despite the enormous persecution he suffered repeatedly in their hands. Wouldn't it have rather been easier for him to just go and form his own religion and start recruiting new followers whose minds he would poison against the temple in Jerusalem? But he never did. Whenever he returned to Jerusalem he always visited the temple to try correcting their doctrines however much it looked futile to keep trying.

Bro,I am not here to argue or make destructive criticism. What I don't appreciate is that bro in question who continued to entertain your discussion.
You self read that act now. If for instance I am a witness n I come to your house to preach, if you entertain me I will stay. If you offer me water I might drink. If you don't accept me then I will continue from house to house looking for who will accept me (preaching ). The Bible at no time never say Christian can't not preach to Christian. So what's is the big deal . Ever malachi 3:16 says those in fear of the Lord spoke to each other and a book of remembrance was opened for those In fear of the Lord." So what's the ish.

You don't like them. It's not a must. Others like them it's not a big deal either. You can put it on your sign post no jehovah witnesses allowed here because their doctrines is not acceptable by you nobody cares.
I don't hate Catholic in person but I don't accept their religious believes. It's rooted in paganism of all kinds. Even Muslims criticise them. Their bible is even more than 66 books of the holy scripture.

Deadlytruth:



Below is how you accused him of blasphemy for accusing your organization of dishonest financial dealings which now prompted me to ask when you became God or the Holy Spirit against whom an accusation constitutes blasphemy.

See the conversation below:


by removetheturban : 10:23pm On Feb 11
Do you want them to give the money to you? Why are you envious of someone success. one pastor says "control your jealousy'. Do you think that he is right?
Hairyrapunzel :
They had money to build Warwick. They got money from the sale of their old headquarters which their members built free of charge.
Money that they guilt trip people into donating. Mtchewww
Where did you get the blasphemy in the bolded?

He got blasphemy because he thinks watchtower is God. In his head he has been made to believe that when you criticize their earthly organization ruled by 8 elderly men in New York city, USA it is blasphemy against God by continuous repetition.

Tolax17:




Bro,I am not here to argue or make destructive criticism. What I don't appreciate is that bro in question who continued to entertain your discussion.
You self read that act now. If for instance I am a witness n I come to your house to preach, if you entertain me I will stay. If you offer me water I might drink. If you don't accept me then I will continue from house to house looking for who will accept me (preaching ). The Bible at no time never say Christian can't not preach to Christian. So what's is the big deal . Ever malachi 3:16 says those in fear of the Lord spoke to each other and a book of remembrance was opened for those In fear of the Lord." So what's the ish.

You don't like them. It's not a must. Others like them it's not a big deal either. You can put it on your sign post no jehovah witnesses allowed here because their doctrines is not acceptable by you nobody cares.
I don't hate Catholic in person but I don't accept their religious believes. It's rooted in paganism of all kinds. Even Muslims criticise them. Their bible is even more than 66 books of the holy scripture.

Catholics and other people including Muslims do not accept your your religious beliefs. It is rooted in paganism, pyramidology, spiritism, propaganda (lying virtually about about every religion especially the doctrines of Christendom), false prophecy (saying the world was going to end in 1874, 1914, 1925 and 1975), evil thoughts (preaching billions of non Jws being slaughtered by your God in Armageddon), murderous activities ( blood transfusion and shunning) and most importantly false man made doctrine based on assumptions (saying that the only way to salvation in the modern world or 21st century is by joining watchtower).

Stop playing the victim card here. You don't have to say you care if the person puts himself on a do not call list for us to really know you don't care. It's his house and his life.

Tolax17:


Bro, permit me to come inhere. The Bible is not against house to house preaching.
Read Acts 5:42. And every day, in the Temple and from house to house, they continued to teach and preach this message: "Jesus is the Messiah."
All I see in this thread is nothing but malice, hatred, jealous and ridicule for Jehovah witnesses. 'Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks'.

It's not a must you accept their teaching. If you continue to attack them, it won't stop them. They follow the bible strictly. Besides, if you think they're not doing enough or the method of teaching is not appropriate, or there are not preaching in some lands go there, preach there and device your and do your own thing.
'If you can't join them, then beat them'


He that thinks he's standing should be aware he does not fall.

The early Christians had their churches in their houses.

Tolax17:




Bro,I am not here to argue or make destructive criticism. What I don't appreciate is that bro in question who continued to entertain your discussion.
You self read that act now. If for instance I am a witness n I come to your house to preach, if you entertain me I will stay. If you offer me water I might drink. If you don't accept me then I will continue from house to house looking for who will accept me (preaching ). The Bible at no time never say Christian can't not preach to Christian. So what's is the big deal . Ever malachi 3:16 says those in fear of the Lord spoke to each other and a book of remembrance was opened for those In fear of the Lord." So what's the ish.

You don't like them. It's not a must. Others like them it's not a big deal either. You can put it on your sign post no jehovah witnesses allowed here because their doctrines is not acceptable by you nobody cares.
I don't hate Catholic in person but I don't accept their religious believes. It's rooted in paganism of all kinds. Even Muslims criticise them. Their bible is even more than 66 books of the holy scripture.

Neither am I stopping you from continuing with you hatred for Catholics and love for JWs despite their obvious misinterpretations of the Bible as copiously pointed out here to them without them either accepting or bringing up superior arguments but attacking persons like you too have done.
Much as I am not a Catholic, I don't bother myself judging them. But what I observe about them is that their members are open minded and humble enough to bow to superior arguments supported with biblical citations. And I can boldly tell you that very many of them even disagree with some of their Church's doctrines but, like Paul the Apostle, would prefer to stay back and die correcting it than breaking away to found new denominations thereby further dividing the body of Christ, adding to the confusion plaguing Christianity and reinforcing the unbelievers perception that Christianity is a religion of confusion. The fact that they have the Catholic Charismatic wing aimed at causing some doctrinal reforms evidences their humility and acceptance of superior arguments from the outside world. On that note alone they earn my respect above JWs who when presented with superior arguments, arrogantly resort to name-calling and accusations of hatred and campaign against them while stubbornly refusing to answer the questions raised.
The attitude of my church towards superior scripture-based criticism is more or less like the Catholics'. Ordinary members are allowed to raise motions for the abolition of certain Church traditions and such motions scale through provided they can defend such convincingly with Bible citations and unassailable analysis. But for JW only a set of 8 elders in New York can. An ordinary member's opinion, however scripturally backed up, does not count. And such an organization appears to you as good and okay?

Your perception that Catholics' beliefs are rooted in paganism is part of the hatred planted in your heart against them by the JWs. If you had read my very first comment on this thread you would have realized that neither the JWs are actually free from practices rooted in paganism and that Moslems criticize them too. In fact I am shocked that you take criticism from moslems as a standard of measurement. Please which Christian group do moslems not criticize? Don't JWs conduct their weddings inside their religious houses? From evidences gleaned from the Bible, the Jews and early Christians conducted weddings in the house of the groom's father while pagans conducted weddings in their temples. Was the wedding at Cana which Jesus honoured with His first miracle conducted in the Temple? Originally, intramural system of education was a pagan traditional method aimed at mass training of soldiers in preparation for wars on short notice. It was much later extended to cover other professions like Medicine, Engineering, etc. But JWs with all their 'anti-paganism' attend today's intramural schools, bag certificates from them and use same to get jobs to fend for themselves. Why have they not abolished conducting their weddings inside their Kingdom Halls and advised their members to stop going to school?
Let me take you further a bit. The manner in which God sealed the covenant with Abraham in the land of Mesopotamia in Genesis by the light of His presence passing in between the halves of the sacrificed animals was exactly tailored after the Mesopotamians' culture of sealing covenants among themselves. Were ancient Mesopotamians Christians? Was it not in their land that Terah (Abraham's father) practiced idolatry so much that he even had personal idols which Abraham inherited and initially took along with him on the journey out of Ur?
Again the name "Zion" was given to the mountain by the original pagan inhabitants of that country whom God chased out for Israelites to stay. These pagans probably worshipped that mountain as a deity before then. But the name was retained by God who even later called it His throne on earth where He sits. God made every culture, tradition and physical feature but some were abused to worship the devil and Christians have the mandate to reverse this phenomenon and redirect everything towards the worship of the Living God. What therefore matters more is the intention behind any practice and not its origins. This is where JWs are wrong. Like I have said, Christians who fall for their doctrines are the types who had no deep personal knowledge of the scriptures before JWs came their way in life.

It takes humility to understand Gods word. Proud people does not have that quality. If you're humble enough you will know that. Like I said I don't have time for debates it's childish. If you're sincere enough you will understand Gods word. Until then....
For now I don't have time for argument



Peace bro

Deadlytruth:


It is rather surprising that after taking my time out to make it clear here the several instances in which I listened to JWs and then asked them questions which rather than give scripture-backed answers to they stopped visiting me, you still choose to advise me to listen to them the next time they come to me. Don't you get it that I mean they are no longer coming? How is it possible to listen to a people avoiding me for my questions they have no answer to? You should rather advise them to answer my questions whenever next they come if you yourself can't answer me here.

You people boast of 100℅ reliance on the Bible for your beliefs, but I have shown you explicit biblical references which stand clearly against some of your beliefs, but rather than show me other Bible verses to counter mine you are asking me to listen to a people that I have no hope of seeing.
Then why did I bring my questions here?

You're just another *bitter* person trying to seek attention. But guess what! Your hate talks will never stop us from growing EVERY SINGLE DAY. If you like quote all the history of persecution meted out to witnesses all you want. It has/will never stopped us from growing !!! Just like you have known from the Nazi persecution and others, that despite all THESE we keep on growing and growing and growing and growing... OmG! I can't stop saying that. We slay!!!

And there is nothing you or anybody or what ever you say can do about our growth.

So I/we don't have time to respond to rants.

Afonjanightmare:


May God destroy the useless JW dirty bastards, may you all rot in Hades

Hail Hitler, Seig Heil Ich Habt gegwagt , where was Yahweh when Hitler killed over 11 million dirty JW?

OnyeOGA:

they are not separate, for He and His Father are one(John 10:30)

Stop the ignorant talk, aren't his disciples also " One " ?

Tell us if it means John is same as Peter .

Christ didn't say I and my Father are " one God " . he said " One" ... Read your Bible!

Deadlytruth:
Verses in Luke chapter 10 say:

"Go! I am sending you like lambs among wolves. Don't take a purse or a beggar's bag or shoes..."

This means the disciples should not directly or indirectly beg unbelievers for financial assistance towards growing their ministry. But we see those who call themselves the only God approved organization begging unbelievers for financial contributions to the growth of their ministry through buying of their magazines. Is salvation at a cost? Funnily enough this denomination notorious for building their halls from funds solicited from unbelievers condemn other Christians who build their churches strictly from funds raised from among their congregations alone. Who is fooling who?



"....don't stop to greet anyone on the road.5 Whenever you go into a house, first say, ‘Peace be with this house.’ 6 If someone who is peace-loving lives there, let your greeting of peace remain on that person; if not, take back your greeting of peace. 7 Stay in that same house, eating and drinking whatever they offer you, for workers should be given their pay...."

This means on arrival at the target town they should first locate a house where there is a believer or potential believer ready to lodge and accommodate them for the duration of the exercise.

"Don't move around from one house to another."


Here is the specific instruction given in unequivocal terms against house to house preaching.

8.Whenever you go into a town and are made welcome, eat what is set before you, 9 heal the sick in that town, and say to the people there, ‘The Kingdom of God has come near you.’

This obviously means to speak the message to residents of the town as a public announcement which the other Christian Churches do today in the form of open air crusades accompanied with healings.


10.But whenever you go into a town and are not welcomed, go out in the streets and say, 11 ‘Even the dust from your town that sticks to our feet we wipe off against you. But remember that the Kingdom of God has come near you!

What we see above is town, town, town and not individual houses. So where did this people get this house to house doctrine from?

@red, I guess the apostles disobey Jesus Christ ? Act 20:20

Jozzy4:


@red, I guess the apostles disobey Jesus Christ ? Act 20:20

First of all let me appreciate you for trying to counter me with the scriptures than with utterances inspired by sentiments, and attacks with name calling and other mundane insinuations founded on persecution complex. You have just shown example of how Christians should disagree over principles. And for that I regard you as a true follower of Christ irrespective of you being a JW.
You see, my argument here is that house to house visits recorded in the Bible happened only between fellow believers and not for fresh evangelism which involved a believer and yet to be converted unbelievers. If, you had not, like other JWs, treated Acts 20:20 in isolation but have read the entire Acts chapter 20, you would have realized that Paul was speaking to only the Elders of the Church in Ephesus when he declared in that verse that he visited them from house to house. And if you have actually followed this thread from page 0 you should have seen where one JW brought up the visit of Peter to Cornelius and I explained to him that Cornelius was already a believer hence Peter's visit to him in his house was not for fresh evangelism for which Jesus forbade house to house visit in Like 10:7. So also Paul's reference to visiting the Ephesus Church elders in their houses as contained in Acts 20:20 was not for fresh proselytization but to church elders who were already believers. Could church elders have been in need of being evangelized afresh?

switnpea:
It takes humility to understand Gods word. Proud people does not have that quality. If you're humble enough you will know that. Like I said I don't have time for debates it's childish. If you're sincere enough you will understand Gods word. Until then....
For now I don't have time for argument



Peace bro

In all my encounters with JWs the premise they themselves set before engaging me and everyone else is that any genuine seeker of the truth about Christ must discard every primordial sentiment, doctrinal background and cultural beliefs and rely solely on the Bible for direction. And that in any debate, only beliefs founded on logic woven around biblical facts should carry the day irrespective of our background denominational leanings and sentiments.

But your utterance above in response to the opinion I have established here based entirely on biblical references is a violation of the very conditions which your organization sets for validity of beliefs.
You couldn't have been telling me all this while that it must be by logic of biblical facts and now that you appear to be losing it on that very rule you set, you start shifting the goal post to 'being sincere enough'. Where did you keep the role of 'sincerity' when you were hammering on facts and logic as the sole determinant?
And I am yet to know what exactly you mean by sincerely anyway.

You just didn't make any point at all. Just speaking English that's all I see.

If you're sincere honest-hearted surely Jehovah will draw you to His organization. I didn't mince words!!!

Until then.

Like I said, I don't have time for unnecessary arguments.

Deadlytruth:


In all my encounters with JWs the premise they themselves set before engaging me and everyone else is that any genuine seeker of the truth about Christ must discard every primordial sentiment, doctrinal background and cultural beliefs and rely solely on the Bible for direction. And that in any debate, only beliefs founded on logic woven around biblical facts should carry the day irrespective of our background denominational leanings and sentiments.

But your utterance above in response to the opinion I have established here based entirely on biblical references is a violation of the very conditions which your organization sets for validity of beliefs.
You couldn't have been telling me all this while that it must be by logic of biblical facts and now that you appear to be losing it on that very rule you set, you start shifting the goal post to 'being sincere enough'. Where did you keep the role of 'sincerity' when you were hammering on facts and logic as the sole determinant?
And I am yet to know what exactly you mean by sincerely anyway.

switnpea:
You just didn't make any point at all. Just speaking English that's all I see.

If you're sincere honest-hearted surely Jehovah will draw you to His organization. I didn't mince words!!!

Until then.

Like I said, I don't have time for unnecessary arguments.

You have still not addressed the issues raised.
So it is Jehovah that now draws people to your organization and no longer the superior logical arguments you initially claimed was the attraction?

Hairyrapunzel:

The early Christians had their churches in their houses.

No dispute about that

Jozzy4:


Stop the ignorant talk, aren't his disciples also " One " ?

Tell us if it means John is same as Peter .

Christ didn't say I and my Father are " one God " . he said " One" ... Read your Bible!

Please what do you have to say about Hebrews 1:8 King James Version (KJV)
"But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

Or was this verse not in the original text as usual?

Deadlytruth:

The way they cry and wail inconsolably about their experiences in prosecution leaves one wondering whether the apostles who rejoiced for being flogged by the Sanhedrin were different from the disciples whom Jesus forewarned of persecution and asked them to joyfully count it as spiritual gain.
And these people try everyday to convince others that they are the alpha and omega as regards scriptural knowledge and interpretation.
People are known by their fruits and not by their utterances.
Meanwhile who will cry for the unquantifiable persecution, physically and spiritually, endured by the Anglican and Catholic missionaries who on arrival had to contend against the powers of territorial deities and spirits that inhabited most parts of Africa coupled with physical resistance by savage native tribes?
Empty containers actually make the loudest noise.

You know, you just raised a very valid point here. I'm beginning to see that these people wail over persecution trying to convince the ignorant that it is so because they are the real Christians. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, l laugh in higher case.
They have no miracles to show the power of God in theie midst, hence, the persecution. I see.

The second point is so true. They wait for Christiandom to go to war with savage angry tribes and win, before they come in with their bags and umbrellas knocking on doors. Satan can not fight satan.

Emmanystone:

You know, you just raised a very valid point here. I'm beginning to see that these people wail over persecution trying to convince the ignorant that it is so because they are the real Christians. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, l laugh in higher case.
They have no miracles to show the power of God in theie midst, hence, the persecution. I see.

The second point is so true. They wait for Christiandom to go to war with savage angry tribes and win, before they come in with their bags and umbrellas knocking on doors. Satan can not fight satan.

1 Cor. 4:20 says "the kingdom of God is not about talk talk talk (repetitional emphasis mine) but about power."

Ironically our JW brothers focus more on talking and actually attempt to have their way by talking other Christians down, and when they do so they insinuate that why other Christians don't reply them is because their talk is the unchangeable truth whereas the other Christians' reason for not dignifying them with a response is simply because of this verse.
But with the very little response some of us the other Christians have given them on this thread alone, they are already shiting and urinating in their pants and crying of persecution and campaign of calumny against their organization.
I hope with their experience on this thread they'll understand that Christianity is more about manifestation of the power of God than empty self glorification talks and sharing propaganda magazines from street to street and house to house.

Hairyrapunzel:


Catholics and other people including Muslims do not accept your your religious beliefs. It is rooted in paganism, pyramidology, spiritism, propaganda (lying virtually about about every religion especially the doctrines of Christendom), false prophecy (saying the world was going to end in 1874, 1914, 1925 and 1975), evil thoughts (preaching billions of non Jws being slaughtered by your God in Armageddon), murderous activities ( blood transfusion and shunning) and most importantly false man made doctrine based on assumptions (saying that the only way to salvation in the modern world or 21st century is by joining watchtower).

Stop playing the victim card here. You don't have to say you care if the person puts himself on a do not call list for us to really know you don't care. It's his house and his life.

I laugh in swahilli. I backing out here. I only wish to express my quota, the the fact remains, jehovah witnesses a far better in many ways. I have made inquiry, studied, research through the bible, I haven't seen anything wrong in all you say. I have travelled across the continents
Nothing wrong with their pattern of medical care such as blood transfusion. It's the best. Go to Britain, UK, Sweden, bloodless surgeries is the best. Many people are even adopting bloodless surgeries. Nigeria is backward in everything, nothing works here. The medical care and facilities are archaic. I have come across several doctors here in nigeria not jehovah witnesses who practices bloodless surgeries. They will even tell you right on time.

Nothing wrong with Armageddon, it's in the bible. It's the war of a God almighty. Armageddon is synonymous to mountain of meggido (Hebrew). Where literal wars were fought. Since War of Almighty God is not only against wicked humans but also demons even Satan, Armageddon is fitting- meaning total destruction of all opposers.

Whereas, is different from the malicious lies of hellfire and heaven. Even king Solomon who was blessed with wisdom, knowledge, fame, power, material possession etc. even compared animals life cycle to that of humans, eventually concluding what befall animals happen to human (Eccles 3:18,19) no superiority over animals. All dies, all comes from the dust n return to the dust. In contracts to false teaching that man dies, the he faces eternal punishment or go to heaven to be singing n enjoyin life, building mansion. Yet the bible speaks of resurrection. If they are being punished or building mansion and partying or enjoying in heaven, what's the purpose of resurrection?

Before you were born, were you the one that chose where to be born or to be born in nigeria?
Certainly not.
God did the selection. Jehovah witnesses practice n follow bible teaching. No dispute about that. Anyone among them that remain faithful to the end God will pick from them (God sees the heart, no human does- the heart is evil and treacherous, who can see it?- God)

Among non-JW, anyone that obey God's commandment and keep it faithfully to the end n merit God's approval, he will picks them. Pagans who never had the privilege but there heart is clean God's will pick them.
Even, Lydia the prostitute in the bible was saved because of her faith. She was a sinner in the beginning but her faith saved her in the end.
God's see beyond the physical eye.that's y the bible say there will be a resurrection of both the righteous n unrighteousn. Even resurrection of the wicked for judgment. (Act 5:24,25)

When you move with good people there is every probability that they would exact good influence on you. If you move with bad ones they can also influence you negatively. If you move with intelligent friends you might see yourself as intelligent or potential intelligent person.

Same can be applied to jehovah witnesses. They strive hard in this crooked world to please their God jehovah and everyone who associate with them strictly to imitate jehovah, keeps is commandment n live a life well pleasing to him.
Hence
, they always see themselves as servants of God who will inherit/ live in God's Kingdom. In the mist of so many self acclaimed Christians
who claimed (Christendom -a term used for false christians who deviated from God's laws even welcome amoral practices such as: fornication, adultery, idolatry, given head blowjobs, supporting conflict, violence wars corruption extortion, homo n bisexuality etc even common among pastors, most reverend, most holy etcs) but claiming to be God servants etc. But when they are exposed they claiming we shouldn't forgets they're humans too like us .
Ever in the scriptures, the Apostles didn do that . Apostle Peter and Paul had a disagreement in the scriptures, when corrected by Paul, he never justify himself in the bible.


I also realize you're here to look at flaws of jehovah witnesses, then you capitaliseon it and use it againSt them. If you wanna grow n acquire knowledge n stop looking for mistake where there's non. If you have a friend who's good at maths, you're also good but you need enough information from him but he can't speak in English fluently, would you learn anything by looking at his flaws ?
No
To acquire Info, you overlook is spoken English n focus on what he has for. The info you need, you hold it dear 5o you, those you don't need you simply discard it


Pls note
I am not a perfect man, sinner not here to look at flaws or support anybody but to express my Quota.
Good day

Deadlytruth:


1 Cor. 4:20 says "the kingdom of God is not about talk talk talk (repetitional emphasis mine) but about power."

Ironically our JW brothers focus more on talking and actually attempt to have their way by talking other Christians down, and when they do so they insinuate that why other Christians don't reply them is because their talk is the unchangeable truth whereas the other Christians' reason for not dignifying them with a response is simply because of this verse.
But with the very little response some of us the other Christians have given them on this thread alone, they are already shiting and urinating in their pants and crying of persecution and campaign of calumny against their organization.
I hope with their experience on this thread they'll understand that Christianity is more about manifestation of the power of God than empty self glorification talks and sharing propaganda magazines from street to street and house to house.

That's it. Since there's no manifestation of power in the kingdom they go about preaching, all they have is talk and trying to out talk other Christians.

I wish they can talk their talking to Kano.

Tolax17:


I laugh in swahilli. I backing out here. I only wish to express my quota, the the fact remains, jehovah witnesses a far better in many ways.

Let's even hypothetically agree with you that JWs are better.
But since when did it become a matter of who is better than the other? Is it not a matter of strictly fulfilling the set of fixed requirements? A person who scores 30℅ in an exam is better than another who scores 29℅, but does that mean the scorer of 30℅ met the minimum marks for credit? However, JWs are even worse than others. Even Jesus asked others to appraise Him and never did it Himself. Appraising yourself and giving yourself pass mark is a thing of the carnal minded world which no genuine Christian individual or group should emulate. It is simply an attitude from the devil.

Tolax17:
I have made inquiry, studied, research through the bible, I haven't seen anything wrong in all you say. I have travelled across the continents
Nothing wrong with their pattern of medical care such as blood transfusion. It's the best. Go to Britain, UK, Sweden, bloodless surgeries is the best. Many people are even adopting bloodless surgeries. Nigeria is backward in everything, nothing works here. The medical care and facilities are archaic. I have come across several doctors here in nigeria not jehovah witnesses who practices bloodless surgeries. They will even tell you right on time.

A research conducted with a biased and closed mind must surely yield predetermined results hence your research carried out with a JW mindset could not have furnished you with findings other than above. Biologically speaking,
Meat becomes white when blood is 100℅ drained from it.
However, after buying red meat from the market and eating it you are here claiming your organization forbids blood and blood products. I laugh in Swahili too.
It is just like some Christians who claim the Bible forbids alcohol but forget that alcohol is constantly released into their systems during cellular respiration through glycolysis and Krebs Cycle.
The biblical directive against blood is not meant to be literal in application.

Tolax17:
[b]Nothing wrong with Armageddon, it's in the bible. It's the war of a God almighty. Armageddon is synonymous to mountain of meggido (Hebrew). Where literal wars were fought. Since War of Almighty God is not only against wicked humans but also demons even Satan, Armageddon is fitting- meaning total destruction of all opposers.
Whereas, is different from the malicious lies of hellfire and heaven. Even king Solomon who was blessed with wisdom, knowledge, fame, power, material possession etc. even compared animals life cycle to that of humans, eventually concluding what befall animals happen to human (Eccles 3:18,19) no superiority over animals. All dies, all comes from the dust n return to the dust. In contracts to false teaching that man dies, the he faces eternal punishment or go to heaven to be singing n enjoyin life, building mansion. Yet the bible speaks of resurrection. If they are being punished or building mansion and partying or enjoying in heaven, what's the purpose of resurrection?[/b]

The contents ofJesus's parables were a reflection of both earthly and eternal realities. His parable of a rich man who celebrated his son's wedding in his own house was a reflection of the earthly reality that Jews of that era celebrated weddings in the groom's father's houses and not in the their places of worship unlike today. So also the cry of the rich man for just a drop of water to relieve him of dehydration and extreme heat in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man is a reflection of the reality of hell fire. Don't be deceived!
As per resurrection; it will happen before the final judgement. Neither Jesus nor Elijah would have been able to raise the dead had they already gone to heaven or hell.
The whole of Ecclesiastes is a documentation of the random thoughts about the incomprehensibility of nature by a man who had fallen deep into sin thus was spiritually distanced from God. That such book found its way into the Bible does not confer any reliability on it as an authority on spiritual truths. Rather it is just an indication that the Christian faith is broad enough to accommodate every shade of opinion with the ultimate objective of redirecting all towards the truth.
In chapter 9 vs 1 to 3, King Solomon also concluded that both the righteous and wicked share the same fate. If we are to take that as valid, then neither you nor me would have been striving to live a life pleasing to God. Did Jesus the author and finisher of the faith teach that the same destiny awaits the righteous and wicked alike?
The contents of the verse you referenced above were a question and not an authoritative assertion. Like I have been saying, if you had not taken that verse in isolation but read it in the context of the entire theme of the book and the Bible you would have avoided the contradiction which Chapter 9 vs 1-3 presents to kill off your argument.

Tolax17:
Before you were born, were you the one that chose where to be born or to be born in nigeria?
Certainly not.God did the selection.Jehovah witnesses practice n follow bible teaching. No dispute about that.

No one judges himself wrong. Even the devil claims righteousness. Let the world rather judge you. Christians were so adjudged by mere observers in Antioch and not by themselves.

Tolax17:
Anyone among them that remain faithful to the end God will pick from them (God sees the heart, no human does- the heart is evil and treacherous, who can see it?- God). Among non-JW, anyone that obey God's commandment and keep it faithfully to the end n merit God's approval, he will picks them. Pagans who never had the privilege but there heart is clean God's will pick them. Even, Lydia the prostitute in the bible was saved because of her faith. She was a sinner in the beginning but her faith saved her in the end.

Even I too have read it in Romans that pagans without privilege of hearing the word but having a pure heart will be saved. Why then does your organization therefore insists that only membership of it qualifies people for salvation? If you were open minded, are these not supposed to be biblical evidences that the race is personal and that there is actually nothing like God's approved organization in the real physical sense? See what indoctrination can lead to?

Tolax17:
God's see beyond the physical eye.that's y the bible say there will be a resurrection of both the righteous n unrighteousn. Even resurrection of the wicked for judgment. (Act 5:24,25).When you move with good people there is every probability that they would exact good influence on you. If you move with bad ones they can also influence you negatively. If you move with intelligent friends you might see yourself as intelligent or potential intelligent person.

A spiritual man can't be corrupted by the company he keeps. Jesus moved with the best and worst of persons but was not influenced. He remains the example for all Christians. Only Pharisees and the teachers of the law believe that company can corrupt. And that is the philosophy you seem to share here.

Tolax17:
Same can be applied to jehovah witnesses. They strive hard in this crooked world to please their God jehovah and everyone who associate with them strictly to imitate jehovah, keeps is commandment n live a life well pleasing to him.
Hence
, they always see themselves as servants of God who will inherit/ live in God's Kingdom. In the mist of so many self acclaimed Christians
who claimed (Christendom -a term used for false christians who deviated from God's laws even welcome amoral practices such as: fornication, adultery, idolatry, given head blowjobs, supporting conflict, violence wars corruption extortion, homo n bisexuality etc even common among pastors, most reverend, most holy etcs) but claiming to be God servants etc. But when they are exposed they claiming we shouldn't forgets they're humans too like us.

JW pastors, or whatever they call themselves, have been reported to have had sex with minors. When their pastors commit these sins they are quickly transfered and the matter is buried. JWs do fornicate and impregnate one another outside wedlock. Instances abound and I therefore don't know how you could be so judgemental on other Christians. According to you, non-JW members (i.e part of Christendom) who are pure will be saved. Shouldn't that rather been instructive to you that you are now contradicting yourself by your sweeping generalizations above?
If some among other Christians are pure, then what is the difference between them and JWs among whom there are equally good and bad ones?
I have seen very dishonest and money loving JWs. They lie in the office to get permission to attend midweek meeting. The other Christians don't go around pretending to be righteouss but JWs pretend to be. Who do you think God loves more between the sinful man who died not deny his weakness and the sinful man who outwardly pretends to be righteous?
As for supporting conflicts, I don't see any genuine Christians that have ever supported conflicts, violence, extortion, bisexuality, etc. That such happen is in fulfilment of the prophesy that wolves will come among sheep and that tares will be sown among wheat in the vineyard of God. Even in the first churches cases of adultery and homosexually were reported to Paul about the church in Corinth. Did that therefore make the Corinthian church an apostate Church worshipping a false God? How can sensible persons use the activities of a sinful few church members to judge all the rest when the Bible makes it clear that the race is strictly personal? Will God judge by denomination or by individual?
In fact any Christian group which the devil is not targeting to sow weeds and tares among needs to go and re-examine itself as to whether they are really a spiritual threat to the devil's kingdom. If the devil is not attacking you then you are one and the same with him.


Ever in the scriptures, the Apostles didn do that . Apostle Peter and Paul had a disagreement in the scriptures, when corrected by Paul, he never justify himself in the bible.

Unfortunately, a lot of errors on the path of JWs have been exposed and expressed here with none of you being able to prove them wrong with the scriptures, yet you have continued to justify them. Isn't it hypocritic that the above is coming from the same you?


[quote author=Tolax17 post=65027812][b[I also realize you're here to look at flaws of jehovah witnesses, then you capitaliseon it and use it againSt them..[/b]

But I thought you just commended Peter for accepting when Paul pointed out his fault? How come the same you are now condemning others for looking for your flaws and pointing same out to you? What an interesting demonstration of crass hypocrisy!
So you even agree you have faults and yet you went all the way to accuse other churches of different faults? Haven't you read where Jesus made it clear that no sin is greater than another? You people are just clowns, honestly!

Tolax17:
If you wanna grow n acquire knowledge n stop looking for mistake where there's non acquire Info, you overlook is spoken English n focus on what he has for. The info you need, you hold it dear 5o you, those you don't need you simply discard it.

So how much do you people want to grow by looking for mistakes among other Christians when yourselves are more deeply swimming in same? How much have you been able to hold on to the sides that appear good to you about other Christians and discard the sides which appear to you as bad? And now that they've made succinct clarifications on those sides you think are bad, how much have you been able to accept them or prove them wrong rather than accuse them of hatred and malice against you who have not been able to answer your own questions?

Tolax17:
[b]I am not a perfect man, sinner not here to look at flaws or support anybody but to express my Quota.
Good day

Your organization's attitude and rules for you conflicts with this.
Good day too.

Deadlytruth:


Let's even hypothetically agree with you that JWs are better.
But since when did it become a matter of who is better than the other? Is it not a matter of strictly fulfilling the set of fixed requirements? A person who scores 30℅ in an exam is better than another who scores 29℅, but does that mean the scorer of 30℅ met the minimum marks for credit? However, JWs are even worse than others. Even Jesus asked others to appraise Him and never did it Himself. Appraising yourself and giving yourself pass mark is a thing of the carnal minded world which no genuine Christian individual or group should emulate. It is simply an attitude from the devil.




There's is no hellfire. It's an illusion, a mirage




A research conducted with a biased and closed mind must surely yield predetermined results hence your research carried out with a JW mindset could not have furnished you with findings other than above. Biologically speaking,
Meat becomes white when blood is 100℅ drained from it.
However, after buying red meat from the market and eating it you are here claiming your organization forbids blood and blood products. I laugh in Swahili too.
It is just like some Christians who claim the Bible forbids alcohol but forget that alcohol is constantly released into their systems during cellular respiration through glycolysis and Krebs Cycle.
The biblical directive against blood is not meant to be literal in application.



The contents ofJesus's parables were a reflection of both earthly and eternal realities. His parable of a rich man who celebrated his son's wedding in his own house was a reflection of the earthly reality that Jews of that era celebrated weddings in the groom's father's houses and not in the their places of worship unlike today. So also the cry of the rich man for just a drop of water to relieve him of dehydration and extreme heat in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man is a reflection of the reality of hell fire. Don't be deceived!
As per resurrection; it will happen before the final judgement. Neither Jesus nor Elijah would have been able to raise the dead had they already gone to heaven or hell.
The whole of Ecclesiastes is a documentation of the random thoughts about the incomprehensibility of nature by a man who had fallen deep into sin thus was spiritually distanced from God. That such book found its way into the Bible does not confer any reliability on it as an authority on spiritual truths. Rather it is just an indication that the Christian faith is broad enough to accommodate every shade of opinion with the ultimate objective of redirecting all towards the truth.
In chapter 9 vs 1 to 3, King Solomon also concluded that both the righteous and wicked share the same fate. If we are to take that as valid, then neither you nor me would have been striving to live a life pleasing to God. Did Jesus the author and finisher of the faith teach that the same destiny awaits the righteous and wicked alike?
The contents of the verse you referenced above were a question and not an authoritative assertion. Like I have been saying, if you had not taken that verse in isolation but read it in the context of the entire theme of the book and the Bible you would have avoided the contradiction which Chapter 9 vs 1-3 presents to kill off your argument.

The account of Ecclesiastes is not random thoughts. Though he focused on the general activities of humans, he expressed divine wisdom, it was a blessing from God. God used men to pen the bible who were under inspiration of his holy spirit. If it were random thought then the whole bible is futile. It's useless its just a mere book. No value.

Solomon stated events that befall beast and man. We all died. Good people die, the wicked die He also urge us to serve God when we are young. (Eccles 12:1) & (eccl 12:13-14) our purpose is to fear God and keep his commandments. Thanks to ourLord jesus perfecter of faith and saviour. When we fear God and keep his commandment in the bible it gives us the privilege to exercise faith in jesus ransom. So when we die unlike the wicked whose death is meaningless. They die judged n destroy. The good die not into corruption but resurrected into everlasting life through our redeemer, christ jesus. Amen




No one judges himself wrong. Even the devil claims righteousness. Let the world rather judge you. Christians were so adjudged by mere observers in Antioch and not by themselves.



Even I too have read it in Romans that pagans without privilege of hearing the word but having a pure heart will be saved. Why then does your organization therefore insists that only membership of it qualifies people for salvation? If you were open minded, are these not supposed to be biblical evidences that the race is personal and that there is actually nothing like God's approved organization in the real physical sense? See what indoctrination can lead to?



A spiritual man can't be corrupted by the company he keeps. Jesus moved with the best and worst of persons but was not influenced. He remains the example for all Christians. Only Pharisees and the teachers of the law believe that company can corrupt. And that is the philosophy you seem to share here.

Bro, I never for ones toldyou i am a witness. If I were one what is the big deal anyway.
Ur comment shows you are not ready to reason logically, but here to attack. Maybe you're pastor sef.
It's doesn't matter. Live your life, Work for your salvation and leave the rest to God.

Like I said, I am halting here. No more comments from me. You can't stop me from associating with who I like. Not a single word from your write up as moved me. If 1+1=2 not everyone will see it as 2. Some will justify themselves and say its 1.
Different things for different folks.

We are different, we see it different. It's
But I haven't gain anything from your write up though. Not a single word as moved me.


No hellfire, it's an illusion, a mirage used by self acclaimed pastors to force people to accept jesus and God. Out of fear of hellfire they will then start worshipping God.
This teaching is so rampart and had made people hardhearted that they prefer to die in hellfire, a place that doesn't exist.
When jesus died where was he?
Nowhere. After 3 days he was resurrected. Why resurrecting him if he had gone to heaven according g to popular teaching of heaven and hell. Instead, God result him later n he ascended to heaven. If he were in heaven b4 no need for to go back. He can give a sign from heaven n his disciples will see him.
Lazarus died, n jesus went to meet Martha n Mary to console the family. Jesus assured them he will rise and Martha express faith and confidence that during the resurrection of the last days. Her faith and loved moved jesus to bring him back to life. If he were in heaven while would jesus say he will raise him up. The same can be applied to hell.

God destroy the world of noah with water or deluge and the wicked died. He destroyed so dom and go mor with fire. By the time lots came n over looked the city with was smoking.

Fire or no fire, water or no water destruction is destruction.
You have a house, termite came and destroy everything within it. What will you do?
We you destroy the house or do away with the house?
You won't destroy the house because it's good but the termite. You can use pesticides, insecticide
You can even burn them. Why in the fire or using Insecticide on them doest that mean they will be alive aa the insecticide is affecting them, they will be feeling the pain or while in the fire you will see them moving about in pain they're suffering.?
No, you motive is for them to died. Which ever method used to kill them the motive is to get ride of them.

When God destroyed wicked people I Noah day, instead of using deluge while can't he throw them in water so that they can be dying gradually or why destroying them with a deluge. When he destroy so dom and gom, why can't he put them in fire so that they be burning small, small so that they can be crying for not doing the right thing.

If you see an ordinary criminal justified to have committed a big crime and they unleash Jon gum justice on him bruning with fire you watch him die, do you feel relieve.?
No

What do ordinary people say ?- they see that act as evil,

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