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Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Nobody: 6:22pm On Mar 02, 2018 |
butterflyl1on: what did I miss? what other posters? what solid examples? |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by butterflyl1on: 6:23pm On Mar 02, 2018 |
Sarassin: Take a casual stroll back on the thread. 1 Like |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Nobody: 6:29pm On Mar 02, 2018 |
butterflyl1on: Do you accept that there was an insertion made in that manuscript? |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by butterflyl1on: 6:55pm On Mar 02, 2018 |
Sarassin: Not an insertion as you would want it to look but a clarifier. 1 Like |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Humanistme: 7:34pm On Mar 02, 2018 |
salvation101: Mohammed and Allah are justified for all their murder in order to build a caliphate and establish God's perfect law sharia I guess. I meaning killing innocents that didn't do anything is justified. blood thirsty abrahamic religions make me sick 2 Likes |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by OkCornel(m): 7:48pm On Mar 02, 2018 |
Humanistme: If you blame Mohammed...ensure you blame David too... If you also blame David...ensure you blame your ancestors too... Who knows, they (your ancestors) might have engaged in blood shedding and mass murder to preserve their lineage which resulted into your existence... In summary, before you speck of dust from the eye of another person...ensure you check your eyes properly to be sure you have no speck of dust or log of wood... Note: I am not in full support of Mohammed's actions/inactions... |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Nobody: 8:02pm On Mar 02, 2018 |
butterflyl1on: And why would clarification be required of a manuscript that is supposedly inspired? First off, let us record for posterity that you Butterflylion now accepts that an original Greek biblical manuscript i.e the Codex Alexandrinus was later altered. You call it a clarifier, I call it an insertion, no matter we can put to bed the lie about the incorruptibility of scripture, we now they have been tampered with. You asked who the scripture would be referring to in its original form if not God? We can be certain it was not Paul, neither was it Sarassin nor Butterflylion so we are left with the only reasonable inference that it is of course Christ. Therefore our understanding of that verse in the original form would be something along the lines of “Christ (who) was manifested in the flesh…” as distinct from “God was manifested in the flesh…” Now, you have gone to great lengths in trying to pre-empt matters by correlating verses showing that Jesus considered himself God however, the terms God and Jesus are never used interchangeably in narrative scripture, for avoidance of doubt, my meaning here is that Gospel writers would not ordinarily use the term "God" where they intended to say "Jesus" and vice-versa, both terms have always had distinct usage. The pertinent question therefore is why the need for alteration or clarification as you put it? Very simply the alteration was made in order to fully promulgate the idea of the Divinity of Jesus. It was a textual alteration made in order to counter the claim of the Ebionites that Jesus was fully human and not himself divine. 1 Like |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Nobody: 8:05pm On Mar 02, 2018 |
Humanistme:i do not know about God of the Koran but of course i know the YHWH of the Holy scripture protected Israel from the pollution in the world. Jews didn't force anyone to become Jews, it was a choice solely left to them. There where Egyptians, Medianites who were convinced YHWH was the true God and Moses allowed them join in the Journey to the promised land. They were called the mixed multitude... Am sure u aren't even aware of that. Salvation has always been a thing of choice. Job was not a jew, Rahab wasn't, Ruth wasn't. U can argue all you want, it still doesn't change the fact that you do not know where you are going after death. |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by MuttleyLaff: 8:07pm On Mar 02, 2018 |
Sarassin:Aw, c'mon Sarassin. It is all scripture that is inspired and not translations, nor scripture upscaled with chapters & verses, you of all people, know this. Also, I can bet my bottom dollar you're familiar with Isaiah 9:6, so why all this unnecessary fun you seem to be having plus contesting the divinity of Jesus, hmm? |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Nobody: 8:42pm On Mar 02, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Ok, but since we no longer have actual original first copy drafts of the scriptures for comparison is it therefore fair comment that the scriptures available today particularly the NT are not inspired and therefore cannot lay claim to being inerrant? And where have I contested the Divinity of Jesus? Isaiah 9:6 aside, I wrote that the Ebionites disputed the Divinity of Jesus and alterations were made to texts to counter this. It's good to have fun ...sometimes. |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by butterflyl1on: 8:44pm On Mar 02, 2018 |
Sarassin: You are trying too hard Sarassin. Your 3rd eye may be having some form of cataracts because it's surely beginning to fail. Nobody is trying to promulgate what already is. You have eyes yet cannot see. You have a mind yet cannot understand o ye "Sad"u"see" called Sarassin. 1. Jesus has two natures — He is God and man. 2. Each nature is full and complete — He is fully God and fully man. 3. Each nature remains distinct. 4. Christ is only one Person. 5. Things that are true of only one nature are nonetheless true of the Person of Christ. The book of Titus follows immediately after the book of Timothy. Let's read Titus 2:13 shall we? “looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus Also I believe the book of John came way before the book of Timothy which you claim the divinity of Jesus was falsely promulgated so let's read John 20:28 shall we? And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” Likewise, the book of Hebrews comes before the book of Timothy and it gives us God the Father’s direct testimony about Christ: Hebrews 1:8 Also the book of Isaiah was written in the time of monotheism yet had this to say of Jesus. Isaiah 9:6 You are falling my hand sarassin. This truly is way above your pay grade. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by MuttleyLaff: 9:18pm On Mar 02, 2018 |
Sarassin:I will go as far with you and stretch my neck that it is therefore fair comment that all translations available today or before, whether OT or NT are not inspired and therefore as have always being pointed out, now and then, here and there, arent and/or cant have the claim of being inerrant Sarassin:Alterations weren't necessary to make to texts to counter the Ebionites disputing the Divinity of Jesus, as Isaiah 9:6 was inspired before NT Sarassin:All work and no fun, makes Jack... Sometimes. It's good you're having fun but don't mess with me sha |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Emmanystone: 10:32pm On Mar 02, 2018 |
salvation101:You are wasting your time. |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Emmanystone: 10:50pm On Mar 02, 2018 |
LordVoldermort:Good a thing you get busted at every turn. What you post you don't even read through to see if they are in context. I know you google them up, hence you can't defend them when busted. If you can, try. |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by OkCornel(m): 10:57pm On Mar 02, 2018 |
Sarassin: If you are challenging the divinity of Jesus...please help shed more light on the following verses in Mark 2 vs 25-32 25 And behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon: this man was just, and feared God, and waited for the consolation of Israel, and the holy Ghost was upon him. 26 And it was declared to him from God by the holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen that Anointed of the Lord. 27 And he came by the motion of the spirit into the Temple, and when the parents brought in the babe Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the Law. 28 Then he took him in his arms, and praised God, and said, 29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word, 30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, 31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people, 32 A light to be revealed to the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel. |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by hadow(m): 10:59pm On Mar 02, 2018 |
Mujtahida: Read it in nkjv |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by hopefulLandlord: 11:06pm On Mar 02, 2018 |
salvation101:Dunno but since you've been using your psychic superpowers to know I've been "just arguing" before today, it shouldn't be difficult to know what my intentions are now too or did you lose that superpower? Read both accounts and compare, get your bible and check it out Account 1 Said the chief priests took the money, deliberated on what to do with it and decided to use it in buying a land Account 2 said Judas used the money to buy a land and died on it The question is who used the money in buying the land? changing it to behalf doesn't solve it at all and its simply a copout as its like saying the hobo I gave some change bought meth on my behalf so I also bought it |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by OkCornel(m): 11:15pm On Mar 02, 2018 |
adepeter2027: Is it all northerners that knows a lot about Uthman Dan Fodio? or are you comparing yourself to "some northerners" who could possibly be illiterates? thank goodness you said some northerners and not all northerners... Back to my questions... 1) Between evidences provided against the existence of Moses by a foreigner and the evidences provided by Jewish Historians for the existence of Moses, which one carries more weight? 2) Do you have any evidence to support or counter the fact that Moses is a myth? Perhaps you know the history of the Jews better than the Jews themselves... |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by hopefulLandlord: 11:20pm On Mar 02, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Even if he didn't give instructions, he still bought the milk, why? because while he might not have given direct order on what the money should be used for, there's still some nonverbal order from husband to the wife due to the relationship that exists between them, that nonverbal order sounds like "I don't know what you'd do with the money but I trust you'll do something that'll benefit you, myself and our children" so he does CARE what she does with the money but doesn't really want to know Judas obviously doesn't doesn't care at all so long the money is off his hands (which chief priests used in buying a land) in one account while another account has him buying a land with the money (which he left at the temple in previous account) |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by adepeter2027(m): 11:26pm On Mar 02, 2018 |
OkCornel: My Justification will depend on the evidence(s) provided by both parties... This isn't my argument neither am I interested in this particular point. |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Nobody: 12:04am On Mar 03, 2018 |
butterflyl1on: You will stop with the personal sobriquets otherwise you and I have nothing further to discuss. You appear not to have a civil tongue in your head. You have made a number of risible and feeble attempts at a put-down towards me. I have no idea why. If you wish to have a proper grown-up, adult discussion and exchange of view-points then I am all for it, if not, then I have far better things to do with my time, I hope I make myself clear? |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by adepeter2027(m): 12:07am On Mar 03, 2018 |
Sarassin yaff vex |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Nobody: 12:16am On Mar 03, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: How come when I say it, I get kicked from pillar to post? not a peep from the brethren... MuttleyLaff: Really? so how come that early Christian Jews rejected the Divinity of Jesus? Isaiah 9:6 Inferred Divinity, the altered verse in John "conferred" Divinity on Jesus, it is in the Book of John we actually read of Divinity directly conferred on Jesus as doctrinal thought. |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Nobody: 12:18am On Mar 03, 2018 |
OkCornel: Where did you read that I challenged the Divinity of Jesus? |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Nobody: 12:22am On Mar 03, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: 'course not, you're the man |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by hopefulLandlord: 12:49am On Mar 03, 2018 |
Emmanystone: Emmanystone: Emmanystone: ima put u on my fries, they need a bit of salt |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by Nobody: 3:03am On Mar 03, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:typical but childish response Read both accounts and compare, get your bible and check it outwch i took time to explain in the post u just quoted but hey, perhaps u never even bothered to read it cos u are more interested in arguing than you are interested in arguing than in my answer. 2 Likes |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by MuttleyLaff: 3:30am On Mar 03, 2018 |
Sarassin:[img]https://s1/images/Chair.jpg[/img] No ooo, you the mayne, you the baba nla won mayne. You are, the chairman. Twale Sarassin Baba!, I cover my chest, hide. I merely was advising and just forewarning, so no one, mess with me, as I know, Tae kwon do, Karate, Sumo, Judo, Jujitsu, Kung Fu, Mixed martial arts moves and 20 more other dangerous words |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by MuttleyLaff: 4:48am On Mar 03, 2018 |
Sarassin:because your wording, the choice of words, when you say it, are incorrect Sarassin:Have you before, ever being stunned by someone's else state of not being aware of something so basic and blatantly obvious? Well until you have, you will never understand why not a peep from the brethren... Sarassin:Dont you think its a bit of an over-generalization, when you carelessly make a blanket statement like this? Who are these early Christian Jews sef? Who is an early Christian Jew? Werent there Jews who rejected the Divinity of Jesus? Sarassin:Really? What of Matthew 1:23? Have you also, a different verb to use for Matthew 1:23 too? |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by MuttleyLaff: 5:03am On Mar 03, 2018 |
OkCornel: Sarassin:So its not just me Must be something you keep posting then, that makes people see you, as seemingly coming across, as challenging the Divinity of Jesus |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by butterflyl1on: 6:47am On Mar 03, 2018 |
Sarassin: You still have nothing to say do you? What personal sobriquets? Do you not claim to have a 3rd eye? Is it not supposed to be as real to you as your regular senses? If you wish to discuss I am always open to that and also always eager to set you straight. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: DEBATE: Pls Present All The Biblical Contradictions And Lies Here. by butterflyl1on: 6:53am On Mar 03, 2018 |
Sarassin: Did Thomas also confer divinity on Jesus when he shouted MY LORD AND MY GOD? 1 Like |
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