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CSTR1003:
A whole pharmacist is a mere support staff?

Pharmacy used to be a prestigious course. Has that changed?

dechriscool:
The gang up against doctors is not only by allied health workers but also by some Nigerians. I did a post about how JOHESU members beat up Doctors at NAUTH just to registered their graviances against doctors in course o f this their strike .That post didn't see the day light.

However,the disparity in salary structure between doctors and JOHESU members can't be overemphasized.Read the statement of facts below to guard on the activities in the hospital

THE PATIENT COMES TO THE HOSPITAL TO SEE THE DOCTOR.

There are three group of people in the Hospital worldwide;

1. Doctor
2. Patients
3. Hospital support staff.

-A patient comes to a medical emergency unit rushed by his relatives.
-The DOCTOR sends for his file/folder to be retrieved by the MEDICAL RECORDS STAFF.
-The DOCTOR takes history from PATIENT and examines the PATIENT.
-The DOCTOR makes a diagnosis (or set of diagnosis-differential diagnosis).
-The DOCTOR asks the PHARMACIST to supply the drugs for the particular disease.
-The DOCTOR asks the NURSE to administer the drugs.
-The DOCTOR asks the PATIENT to go to Radiology department to do an X-RAY/CT-SCAN.
-The DOCTOR in the Radiology department (RADIOLOGIST) asks the RADIOGRAPHER to do the X-ray. The DOCTOR in the Radiology department (RADIOLOGIST) interprets the X-ray and writes a report to be taken to the DOCTOR in the Emergency.
-The DOCTOR in the Emergency unit uses the X-ray report to further treat the patient.
-The DOCTOR sends the PATIENT to the laboratory to do some tests.
-The DOCTOR in the laboratory (PATHOLOGIST) asks the LABORATORY SCIENTIST or LABORATORY TECHNICIAN to do the test or do the test himself if necessary.
The DOCTOR in the laboratory (PATHOLOGIST) interprets the report and sends the patient back to the doctor in the emergency.
-The DOCTOR evaluates the patient and asks for more drugs from the PHARMACY for the NURSE to administer.
-The DOCTOR admits the patient to the ward if patient is not good to go or discharges the patient if he is good.
-THE DOCTOR in the ward keeps on seeing the patient and evaluating his needs. THE DOCTOR calls for the assistance of the NURSE, PHARMACIST, LABORATORY SCIENTIST/TECHNICIAN, RADIOGRAPHER when the need arises.
But there is always a need for the DOCTOR to be in CONTACT with the progress of the patient.
-THE DOCTOR DISCHARGES the PATIENT home or CERTIFIES him dead as the case may be.

IT BEGINS WITH THE DOCTOR and PATIENT from admission and ends with DOCTOR and PATIENT on discharge from the hospital.

1. DOCTORS WORLDWIDE are LEADERS of the health sector in the best of centers.
-Google LIST OF BEST HOSPITALS IN THE WORLD.
A list of many hospital according to ranking would come up.
-Take the first 5, or 10, or 20 hospitals ONE BY ONE.
-For each hospital Google it's leadership.
-All would show you that the doctor is the head.
The CEO/CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER of all the hospitals have MD or MBBS as their basic qualification. (Most of these doctors have no any other non-medical qualification).

PLEASE GOOGLE FOR YOURSELF
-THE BEST HOSPITALS in the world.
-Then LEADERSHIP OF EACH HOSPITAL.

2.)DOCTORS ARE PAID FAR BETTER THAN OTHER SUPPORT STAFF WORLDWIDE.
This pay gets far different when the DOCTOR is a SPECIALIST: CONSULTANT (UK/INDIA) or an ATTENDING PHYSICIAN (USA).

Google the best hospitals in the world and the salary of the workers.

Google for yourself.
Do not be fed with lies.

3.) CAREER PROGRESSION for DOCTORS.
Doctors have two pathways for progression in Nigeria:
i. NORMAL CIVIL SERVICE where you are promoted to the next grade after every 3years.
ii. POSTGRADUATE MEDICAL EDUCATION, where you enroll into residency and is only promoted after rigorous academic and practical training and passing of professional examinations.
After NYSC the doctor pays heavily to write an exam called primaries. After the primaries he/she undergo extensive training as a REGISTRAR and after 3-5years write the PART 1 exams to become a SENIOR REGISTRAR. After another 3-5years he writes another exam to become a FELLOW/CONSULTANT. Each of PART 1 and 2 exams advance the doctor only one grade level (e.g Part 1 exam after 3-5 years moves a DOCTOR from grade 12 to 13. Part 2 after another 3-5moves a doctor from grade 13-14).
The pass rate of these exams generally is between 10-30%.
Its difficult to progress through the postgraduate pathway. You may spend more than 6years without promotion.

GOOGLE THE TRUTH.

THE DRAMA PLAYING IN THE

Leopantro:
so much hate and insults on this thread.
could it be due to no April salary from the "No work No pay" that was implemented recently.

Strange soup with rice, cashew, beans, egusi, tomatoes, crayfish, usu, ukpo, ede, ogbono, okro, tapioka, nchuanwu n other gwogwotigwo in one pot = johesu

Jahdriel:
Did you read the texts properly? How's NMA greedy! All the noise NMA is primarily because of Nigerians and of course their gains too.

How do explain a nurse who cannot even make a clean incision on an adult becoming consultant in Peadiatric Surgery unit and earning higher salary than regs and senior regs who do majority of surgeries in the unit.

stonemasonn:
a registered nurse of over 20 years experience who is a specialist in say oncology should earn much more than a fresh medical graduate.

Moreover before government sign any agreement with JOHESU, government should include licenses and examinations every two years for all JOHESU members. No exam no license, no license no job and no salary review.

dokiOloye:
If you aren't a health worker,then don't delve into what you don't know.
If you are a lawyer in a law firm with many secretaries and paralegals, if they start paying the latter group d same or almost d same salary with d lawyers, do you think there will be harmony in that law firm?
Will d secretaries obey and work harmoniously under some1 they earn d same wages with?
Is it fair to pay ppl whose qualification are far apart d same or nearly same wages?
Many doctors work for 30+ years and retire,they do not attain d title of consultant b/c they don't have d time and strength for the stress of postgraduate training, but d Nigerian nurse wants to sit behind her nursing station and answer consultant wt no further studies or training as if it is a chieftaincy title?
The pharmacist in all the hospitals have reduced themselves to mere dispensers, not a single clinical input to improve the health of the patient but they want to answer consultant and earn d same with doctors.
If you award a nurse d title of consultant,what clinical input will they make on d patient,bearing in mind that medical even consultants refer patients to other consulates for expert management?
It is b/c of ppl like you that they have d liver to make all these spurious demands.

Franklyly:
I will advice Nigerian Doctors to start adjusting, the status quo can no longer remain, we are no more in 1960 when it was almost just only Doctors twisting the law to suit only them, thousands of other health professionals have been trained now and they will not sit back and watch the Doctors pocket them like it was still 1960!!!!

blowjohn:
Lol u saying a pharmacist(even with a doctorate degree) should be allowed to head a hospital?

maestroferddi:
I will be deluding you if I say I understand the thrust of the specious argument you were trying to canvass above...

The last time I checked, other health workers have never asked for pay parity with doctors.
For intents and purposes, it defies rationale and rectitude, that Nigerian doctors would see attempts by other health workers to secure improvements in their working conditions as a threat to their (doctors) primacy in the healthcare sector.

Can't doctors negotiate terms with government without hinging their demands on what other professionals are demanding?

The disingenuous reference to clinical input is simply laughable. What input are you expecting when doctors, capitalizing on the docility of these other professionals, have usurped all key roles in the health service delivery?

I personally think pharmacists are not smart or else how would one explain their decision to accept the thorough subjugation which has been their lot in the healthcare organogram...

shullamite:
At least its clear where the problem in the health sector is coming from now. The doctors don't want other staff to enjoy a little increament of salary even after government has increased their slararies more than Three times in in four years. This is just a case of wickedness and man's inhumanity to man. The doctors are not the employer of labour but they are telling government what to do. It's a case of eating alone and wanting other people to die of hunger even though there is excess food to serve everybody. Let the world see how wicked the doctors are in Nigeria.

Let me tell you the truth early this year the government of Canada increased doctors salary but the doctors refused the increament and told the government to use the money to pay other health workers and improve the facilities in the hospitals for patients to enjoy. But in Nigeria the case is opposite.

positivethought:
No that's not what I'm saying,what I mean is that in a hospital setting especially big hospitals or any medical set up the pharmacy department should be headed by a pharmacist same case applies to the laboratory radiology n other departments,let the doctors head medical departments like gynecology obstetrics pediatric orthopedic n so on, it acceptable for the doctors to always head the hospital but the doctors should accept the headship of pharmacist also in a pharmaceutical set up n so on,but if a pharmacist establishes a hospital then can anyone stop him from heading it or vice versa?

Nempi:
They dispense drugs prescribed by a doctor. Is this a big deal?

Hairyrapunzel:
You can't skip a set and leave the others. You guy got arrears and doctors didn't get till tomorrow. You are currently being played your skipped salaries. Why use nurses? Use pharmacists and lab scientists. Like I said every worker earns the same salary on the same level.
No relativity when they enter the same level. Cunning set of people. Why will a pharmacist enter at a higher level than a nurse?

SLYX:
All this nonsense typing, is it about the foolish Nigerian doctors that know nothing. Why do you think President Buhari had to travel for medical check up outside. It's crystal clear that Nigerian doctors are not worth it at all. I have first hand experience of how doctors in teaching hospitals managed my mom's health almost to death. Just one visit to a Turkish hospital, all their wrong diagnosis were revealed. And today my mom is alive and strong. I rather die than submit myself to be treated by a Nigerian doctor

Afrocentric:
so JAMB is now all and all? Don't forget that some doctors today cheated to pass JAMB. Some, there parents bribed for them to scale through. Mugu

Afrocentric:
so JAMB is now all and all? Don't forget that some doctors today cheated to pass JAMB. Some, there parents bribed for them to scale through. Mugu

MrBigiman:
It's already that way dude. Moreover a nurse cannot be specialist in Oncology, she makes no single decision the specialist does. Even if she has spent 20years, a Senior registrar who has spent 3 yrs in oncology should earn more. A Doctor trumps every other person in the hospital, the hospital was built for him and patients troop in to see him. All other thrashy workers should do his bidding or resign. If they want to be doctors they should have passed Jamb. 90% of Lab scientist filled in Medicine at one time or the other for God sake, so also 98% of male BSC Nurses, the non graduate nurses went to nursing school because they were too dumb to pass Jamb, today they want to be on the same salary scale as Doctor. Pure stupidity!

emekatheo:
Most Nigerian doctors know nothing especially those in GOPD. No wonder the elites travel abroad for medical checkup. Upon these doctors don't know anything, they are still arrogant on their ignorance. If you don't want to be killed or maimed by the wrong prescription of some of these arrogant doctors, better ask your Pharmacist.

positivethought:
No that's not what I'm saying,what I mean is that in a hospital setting especially big hospitals or any medical set up the pharmacy department should be headed by a pharmacist same case applies to the laboratory radiology n other departments,let the doctors head medical departments like gynecology obstetrics pediatric orthopedic n so on, it acceptable for the doctors to always head the hospital but the doctors should accept the headship of pharmacist also in a pharmaceutical set up n so on,but if a pharmacist establishes a hospital then can anyone stop him from heading it or vice versa?

dechriscool:
The gang up against doctors is not only by allied health workers but also by some Nigerians. I did a post about how JOHESU members beat up Doctors at NAUTH just to registered their graviances against doctors in course o f this their strike .That post didn't see the day light.

However,the disparity in salary structure between doctors and JOHESU members can't be overemphasized.Read the statement of facts below to guard on the activities in the hospital

THE PATIENT COMES TO THE HOSPITAL TO SEE THE DOCTOR.

There are three group of people in the Hospital worldwide;

1. Doctor
2. Patients
3. Hospital support staff.

-A patient comes to a medical emergency unit rushed by his relatives.
-The DOCTOR sends for his file/folder to be retrieved by the MEDICAL RECORDS STAFF.
-The DOCTOR takes history from PATIENT and examines the PATIENT.
-The DOCTOR makes a diagnosis (or set of diagnosis-differential diagnosis).
-The DOCTOR asks the PHARMACIST to supply the drugs for the particular disease.
-The DOCTOR asks the NURSE to administer the drugs.
-The DOCTOR asks the PATIENT to go to Radiology department to do an X-RAY/CT-SCAN.
-The DOCTOR in the Radiology department (RADIOLOGIST) asks the RADIOGRAPHER to do the X-ray. The DOCTOR in the Radiology department (RADIOLOGIST) interprets the X-ray and writes a report to be taken to the DOCTOR in the Emergency.
-The DOCTOR in the Emergency unit uses the X-ray report to further treat the patient.
-The DOCTOR sends the PATIENT to the laboratory to do some tests.
-The DOCTOR in the laboratory (PATHOLOGIST) asks the LABORATORY SCIENTIST or LABORATORY TECHNICIAN to do the test or do the test himself if necessary.
The DOCTOR in the laboratory (PATHOLOGIST) interprets the report and sends the patient back to the doctor in the emergency.
-The DOCTOR evaluates the patient and asks for more drugs from the PHARMACY for the NURSE to administer.
-The DOCTOR admits the patient to the ward if patient is not good to go or discharges the patient if he is good.
-THE DOCTOR in the ward keeps on seeing the patient and evaluating his needs. THE DOCTOR calls for the assistance of the NURSE, PHARMACIST, LABORATORY SCIENTIST/TECHNICIAN, RADIOGRAPHER when the need arises.
But there is always a need for the DOCTOR to be in CONTACT with the progress of the patient.
-THE DOCTOR DISCHARGES the PATIENT home or CERTIFIES him dead as the case may be.

IT BEGINS WITH THE DOCTOR and PATIENT from admission and ends with DOCTOR and PATIENT on discharge from the hospital.

1. DOCTORS WORLDWIDE are LEADERS of the health sector in the best of centers.
-Google LIST OF BEST HOSPITALS IN THE WORLD.
A list of many hospital according to ranking would come up.
-Take the first 5, or 10, or 20 hospitals ONE BY ONE.
-For each hospital Google it's leadership.
-All would show you that the doctor is the head.
The CEO/CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER of all the hospitals have MD or MBBS as their basic qualification. (Most of these doctors have no any other non-medical qualification).

PLEASE GOOGLE FOR YOURSELF
-THE BEST HOSPITALS in the world.
-Then LEADERSHIP OF EACH HOSPITAL.

2.)DOCTORS ARE PAID FAR BETTER THAN OTHER SUPPORT STAFF WORLDWIDE.
This pay gets far different when the DOCTOR is a SPECIALIST: CONSULTANT (UK/INDIA) or an ATTENDING PHYSICIAN (USA).

Google the best hospitals in the world and the salary of the workers.

Google for yourself.
Do not be fed with lies.

3.) CAREER PROGRESSION for DOCTORS.
Doctors have two pathways for progression in Nigeria:
i. NORMAL CIVIL SERVICE where you are promoted to the next grade after every 3years.
ii. POSTGRADUATE MEDICAL EDUCATION, where you enroll into residency and is only promoted after rigorous academic and practical training and passing of professional examinations.
After NYSC the doctor pays heavily to write an exam called primaries. After the primaries he/she undergo extensive training as a REGISTRAR and after 3-5years write the PART 1 exams to become a SENIOR REGISTRAR. After another 3-5years he writes another exam to become a FELLOW/CONSULTANT. Each of PART 1 and 2 exams advance the doctor only one grade level (e.g Part 1 exam after 3-5 years moves a DOCTOR from grade 12 to 13. Part 2 after another 3-5moves a doctor from grade 13-14).
The pass rate of these exams generally is between 10-30%.
Its difficult to progress through the postgraduate pathway. You may spend more than 6years without promotion.

GOOGLE THE TRUTH.

THE DRAMA PLAYING IN THE

frankpro27:
Nd a pharmacist got his on a platter of gold. Shut ur mouth already. Thr is no much difference bw a pharm.D holder Nd a medical doctor. A pharmacist can do all except surgery. Bt also, a doctor can't compound or produce drugs. What do doctors knw about drugs pls.

frankpro27:
Nd a pharmacist got his on a platter of gold. Shut ur mouth already. Thr is no much difference bw a pharm.D holder Nd a medical doctor. A pharmacist can do all except surgery. Bt also, a doctor can't compound or produce drugs. What do doctors knw about drugs pls.

Danaire:
So every health worker must be a doctor to benefit & enjoy wat is or should be due to them? More like saying every human should be a man or woman. Me think you think God was foolish or nt in His right mind to create male & female. Your dad should hav married anoda man to giv birth to you or ur mom marry anoda woman to giv birth to you.

See! Gerara here men!

Hairyrapunzel:
Can't other healthcare workers negotiate terms with government without hinging their demands on what doctors are getting?
The cycle continues. Hope they paid April salary?

Danaire:
You're really spewing foolishness here. So other health workers; MedLab scientist, Nurses, Pharmacist, Physiotherapist & Radiologist, dnt do or go for upgrading in dia chosen career/profession? You're really reasoning with ur SMELLING UNWASHED ANUS.

See! Gerara here men! Foolish comment.

SIRTee15:
Say what u know....
There are specialist oncology nurses....
Infact most medical specialties has nursing specialist....

Elueme:
I wish u could digest the NMA position before posting this crap..
NMA is not against pay rise for anybody but ask that relativity be sacrosanct according to international best practice.. A doctor with several academic battering and fellowship struggle cannot be on same salary scale with a nurse or pharmacist.. forget the age and all, the quality of service isn't same irrespective of how old one has been in service. We must learn to respect professionalism in this country.
Johesu was formed to hang up against the doctors in the health sector because they feel with their strength they can arm twist the government.. Some of it's demands ate briddled with ego, jealousy and desire to reap where one didn't sow. The door is wide open for any who wishes to study medicine. No following short cut, go back to school and be accorded same status.

Quelme:
copy and paste.... Biggest fool ever liveth.....