orimahspence:

When I get my visa pere!!! O-dabo in Aregbes voice

You're a clown with this

orimahspence:

[s]

@justwise, tell them again, That political correctness that lies to stagnating countries, calling them ‘developing countries’ when in truth they are stagnant and in some cases even retrogressing is just disingenuous. So Haiti is a developing country alongside The Sudan, South Sudan, Somalia, Nigeria, Afghanistan and Pakistan? What is Brazil, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, South Africa, Thailand, Argentina, India, Egypt… if these sores of the earth are developing countries?

Folks, Tell yourselves the truth Nigerians and shame the Devil; a country whose health system is so none-existent that for 40yrs its leaders have gladly and continuously sought health solutions overseas cannot be said to be developing. A country is not developing because its citizens drive more cars or own bigger structures in its major cities or fly enough private jets to shame the Kenyans. A country that made and still makes trillions of naira not by any tasking revenue drives nor through sci-tech advancement but by hiring foreigners to dig up its oil, ship overseas for refining and import as finished products, and still cannot generate enough electricity for more than 5hrs/day for half of its population cannot claim to be developing, especially when you consider how long the charade of trying to generate electricity has taken.

A country that cannot supply drinking water to homes, clear domestic refuse from its cities; condemns its mentally challenged to roam its streets; flies presidents upon presidents, governors and senators overseas to treat knee issues (IBB), ear infections (Buhari), a mismanaged case of malaria!( Yar’adua) and miscellaneous trivia health issues and has a minister boldly announce how it will be making pencils in 4years would have been declared a failed nation had Somalia not refused to concede a few points. But when you take into consideration the resources at the disposal of Nigeria you just shove off the irredeemably recalcitrant, usurping Somalians.

Again, when you consider how most Nigerians are blissfully oblivious of the shame of having their president luxuriate in the UK for some undisclosed ailment while their country continuously allocates millions of dollars to a no-existent healthcare system; when you consider how the citizens keep mute over this grievous violation of their dignity and humanity; when you come to know that there are even citizens who don’t find this shameful and worthy of a call for impeachment, citizens who tongue-lash fellow compatriots for asking cogent questions about these bewildering oddities, you come to the realization that you are dealing with a country of failed citizens.

That Nigeria itself is not yet declared a failed state is partly because its reprobate buccaneers still want everything held together so they can continue using the pretense at nationhood to get richer and more influential. When they are rich enough, when the oil dries up, then Somalia will abdicate and Nigeria shall take its rightful place. Until then, let’s continue to play the ostrich, let’s continue to execute the injunctions of misinformed pastors when they ask us to “pray for our dear county, Nigeria”, let’s continue to wallow in the deceptive beauty of that tag, “developing nation”. But while at it, let those who seek to really move things beyond the lies and fallacies ask themselves again; what exactly qualifies a country as developing?- and afterwards proceed to study Brazil while reading Niyi Osundare’s Here Nothing Works to the accompaniment of Lagbaja’s 180million Mumus. When I get my visa pere!!! O-dabo in Aregbes voice [/s]

Bro, writing long statement without any proper link to researched facts and analized data makes you seem like an illiterate. No one should argue based on feelings, put references to support your statements otherwise it seems like you are just a bitter nigger

theamerican:
Dear @Nig4greatness,

The thread is not a restrictive one. It simply asks people to say if they think traveling is worth it and try to give reasons for their answer(s). When people say misleading things, I decide to refute those claims. If you say I prefer staying in Nigeria because of the gun violence abroad", that's a good reason. I may say nothing OR decide to say/prove that there's also gun violence in Nigeria, hence a healthy debate.

Another example: "All the people traveling abroad wash plates and sweep floors, so I don't wanna travel" is different from "if I travel, getting a job good job abroad may be difficult considering the fact that I have an already stable job here". You see? I will instantly disagree with the first, and the second may or may not be argued.

Case is different if someone says "I prefer staying in Nigeria because they kill everybody in the U.S. there's no black family in the U.S. that doesn't have a gun violence victim, they shoot all the blacks there". Now that's a statement that's completely misleading and untrue. So... I will refute that nonsense and set the record straight in case people who don't know, read such nonsense.

Also, a person abroad who says: "No one in Nigeria eats 3 square meals" is saying nonsense. I will definitely reject that. So, you see? It's a thread for healthy arguments and counter-arguments. We learn from each other.

Also, I didn't even quote any law. I just reminded you that you're under oath. That's all.

You have been making perfect sense all the way. Please don't allow any one make you feel pilloried with their typical local low IQ argument style of Nigerians . You are here making enlightenment sense and politely covering all important areas without even resorting to personal/irrelevant sentiment gibberish or bragging and someone wants to make you pilloried with talks about thread closing. What an out of point nonsense.

peacengine:


Bro, writing long statement without any proper link to researched facts and analized data makes you seem like an illiterate. No one should argue based on feelings, put references to support your statements otherwise it seems like you are just a bitter nigger

If you need researched fact to confirm the hell you see in Nigeria everyday, then it seems your sense don't serve you right!

If you lives in Nija and still need an analyzed data to confirm there's absolutely nothing developing about Nigeria , then you need a serious help

Who lives here, watch bbc, Cnn ,aljazeera and still need link to confirm Nigeria is a hugely underdeveloped country?

'Developing' is simply a pleasant term made to make some zombies comfortable and agree that the country is moving forward while the reverse is the case

However, Nothing to add, except this article, which may lay your hope in Nigeria to rest.

CAUTION; read at your peril!!!!

https://www.thecable.ng/memories-midnight

orimahspence:


If you need researched fact to confirm the hell you see in Nigeria everyday, then it seems your sense don't serve you right!

If you lives in Nija and still need an analyzed data to confirm there's absolutely nothing developing about Nigeria , then you need a serious help

Who lives here, watch bbc, Cnn ,aljazeera and still need link to confirm Nigeria is a hugely underdeveloped country?

'Developing' is simply a pleasant term made to make some zombies comfortable and agree that the country is moving forward while the reverse is the case

However, Nothing to add, except this article, which may lay your hope in Nigeria to rest:

https://www.thecable.ng/memories-midnight

Don't bother to engage the frustrated jobless guy, once you point out the sufferings in that jungle he lives in without any hope for him, he gets pissed off, the truth is Nigeria is beyond redemption and I stand by my opinion, l pity his miserable life in a shithole jungle, instead of him to rise up against the useless politicians that have rendered Nigeria a cesspit of poverty and darkness he is busy attacking people who are saying the truth about Nigeria, Nigeria is a failed state, worldpoverty com said that Nigeria has the highest poor people in the world, every indices of a failed state is in Nigeria, let him continue his patroitism to a failed jungle, nonsense

orimahspence:


If you need researched fact to confirm the hell you see in Nigeria everyday, then it seems your sense don't serve you right!

If you lives in Nija and still need an analyzed data to confirm there's absolutely nothing developing about Nigeria , then you need a serious help

Who lives here, watch bbc, Cnn ,aljazeera and still need link to confirm Nigeria is a hugely underdeveloped country?

'Developing' is simply a pleasant term made to make some zombies comfortable and agree that the country is moving forward while the reverse is the case

However, Nothing to add, except this article, which may lay your hope in Nigeria to rest.

CAUTION; read at your peril!!!!

https://www.thecable.ng/memories-midnight

Is that guy blind, deaf and dumb?

orimahspence:


If you need researched fact to confirm the hell you see in Nigeria everyday, then it seems your sense don't serve you right!

If you lives in Nija and still need an analyzed data to confirm there's absolutely nothing developing about Nigeria , then you need a serious help

Who lives here, watch bbc, Cnn ,aljazeera and still need link to confirm Nigeria is a hugely underdeveloped country?

'Developing' is simply a pleasant term made to make some zombies comfortable and agree that the country is moving forward while the reverse is the case

However, Nothing to add, except this article, which may lay your hope in Nigeria to rest.

CAUTION; read at your peril!!!!

https://www.thecable.ng/memories-midnight

That guy needs koboko to reset his dead brain box. Even a goat knows when grass no dey. With that kind brainless daft making up citizens of Nigeria, how can the country ever progress? He should come and take analysis link from my ass.

AngelicBeing:
Don't bother to engage the frustrated jobless guy, once you point out the sufferings in that jungle he lives in without any hope for him, he gets pissed off, the truth is Nigeria is beyond redemption and I stand by my opinion, l pity his miserable life in a shithole jungle, instead of him to rise up against the useless politicians that have rendered Nigeria a cesspit of poverty and darkness he is busy attacking people who are saying the truth about Nigeria, Nigeria is a failed state, worldpoverty com said that Nigeria has the highest poor people in the world, every indices of a failed state is in Nigeria, let him continue his patroitism to a failed jungle, nonsense

Maybe smoking codeine or sniffing raw fresh dung fried his brain cells finally.

princfred:
Maybe smoking codeine or sniffing raw fresh dung fried his brain cells finally.

Exactly, what information or data is he asking about when Google and several online media outlets have properly analyzed the situation in the jungle called Nigeria, l have relatives, friends, family members in Nigeria and I know the pain they are going through in Nigeria, tell me one basic thing that is working in Nigeria, the basic necessities of life we enjoy outside Nigeria is a luxury in Nigeria, Abeg, you people should ignore him, let him continue defending the country, the useless criminal politicians are smiling daily to the bank, enjoying vacation with their families all over the world, even Buhari his president goes to UK for medical attention and these frustrated hungry fellow sees nothing wrong with that, patroitism my foot

princfred:
That guy need koboko to reset his dead brain box. Even a goat knows when grass no dey. With that kind brainless dafts making up citizens of Nigeria, how can the country ever progress? He should come and take analysis link from my ass.

l concur, He needs this koboko laden with chilly pepper on his butt

Lol. I see a lot of angered filled Nigerians here.

orimahspence:


If you need researched fact to confirm the hell you see in Nigeria everyday, then it seems your sense don't serve you right!

If you lives in Nija and still need an analyzed data to confirm there's absolutely nothing developing about Nigeria , then you need a serious help

Who lives here, watch bbc, Cnn ,aljazeera and still need link to confirm Nigeria is a hugely underdeveloped country?

'Developing' is simply a pleasant term made to make some zombies comfortable and agree that the country is moving forward while the reverse is the case

However, Nothing to add, except this article, which may lay your hope in Nigeria to rest.

CAUTION; read at your peril!!!!

https://www.thecable.ng/memories-midnight

My guy, insanity is when you keep holding unto past and making them your present problems. If light will make you call a country failed state then o boy that's your problem, my own is different. If you think we are a failed state then present something substantial to me like evidence of economic failure, uncontrallable rise in inflation, drastic fall in GDP, all round war and non functional federal govt parastatals. Present evidence of all round famine, disaster in IT, total breakdown of communication facilities (no more gsm), and so on. Our country lacks adequate supply of electricity is a fact but are you free to provide yours? Yes. Road infrastructure is not totally a write off, at least I travelled through the East by road recently and I saw good network all the way to Ogoja(ongoing in Ogoja), through Enugu. Much still needs to be done but average rating can be given.
Guy migrate Sir, myself I de find way to trade business with Nigerians abroad as I'm looking into farming. Go in peace sir

EMMAACHILE:
Lol. I see a lot of angered filled Nigerians here.

Some niggers want to buy private Jet like Davido, once quid is not available to impress girls frustration set in.

peacengine:


My guy, insanity is when you keep holding unto past and making them your present problems. If light will make you call a country failed state then o boy that's your problem, my own is different. If you think we are a failed state then present something substantial to me like evidence of economic failure, uncontrallable rise in inflation, drastic fall in GDP, all round war and non functional federal govt parastatals. Present evidence of all round famine, disaster in IT, total breakdown of communication facilities (no more gsm), and so on. Our country lacks adequate supply of electricity is a fact but are you free to provide yours? Yes. Road infrastructure is not totally a write off, at least I travelled through the East by road recently and I saw good network all the way to Ogoja(ongoing in Ogoja), through Enugu. Much still needs to be done but average rating can be given.
Guy migrate Sir, myself I de find way to trade business with Nigerians abroad as I'm looking into farming. Go in peace sir

Wao, see mentality.
When a man feels so comfortable with mediocrity to the extent of defending it. If we find this kind of people in govt, nothing will change because they don't even see issues we have as a big deal. Like you said, not having light is not a big deal, it doesn't kill anyone besides you can generate it yourself. Unfortunately this is the mentality of most people in govt and that is why it is not surprising that Nigeria is like this year in year out, administration to administration .
Anyway, you are right in a way Afterall we all have standards which can be high or low. While some clubs see it as a failure if they don't win the league, some celebrate a 10th place finish as achievement . If the shithole fulfils your dream, good for you, if anyone else wants something better, good for them.

peacengine:


My guy, insanity is when you keep holding unto past and making them your present problems. If light will make you call a country failed state then o boy that's your problem, my own is different. If you think we are a failed state then present something substantial to me like evidence of economic failure, uncontrallable rise in inflation, drastic fall in GDP, all round war and non functional federal govt parastatals. Present evidence of all round famine, disaster in IT, total breakdown of communication facilities (no more gsm), and so on. Our country lacks adequate supply of electricity is a fact but are you free to provide yours? Yes. Road infrastructure is not totally a write off, at least I travelled through the East by road recently and I saw good network all the way to Ogoja(ongoing in Ogoja), through Enugu. Much still needs to be done but average rating can be given.
Guy migrate Sir, myself I de find way to trade business with Nigerians abroad as I'm looking into farming. Go in peace sir

Having worked in a government parastatal for four years, I can tell you straight up, we are doomed in Nigeria. From underground job recruitments without advertising to over-bloated budgets, to disobedience to the rule of law to massive fund misappropriation to terrible working conditions to insensitivity to staff welfare. Sweetheart, port if you can now. I regret not doing so 6 years ago because I believed so much in my country. I have seen that to survive in Nigeria, you need to have a bit of selfishness, heartlessness, wickedness, myopic, daftness, shortsightedness, and excess of corruptness. Excellence is not rewarded rather mediocrity is applauded. When you act different, many look at you like you are from Mars. Is this your idea of a developing country because from my analysis, that is still mediocrity.

I like this thread, @theamerican. Please keep the good work going.

Pipedreams:


Bros your a big nuisance. Kindly leave this thread and stick to your Nigeria. This is no debate thread. Walk out now and focus on your life

Nuisance in my country and you in another man's country

theamerican:


What do you mean?

the mentality is different the system is design to uplift you not defeat you and pursue your interests

reDazey:

Having worked in a government parastatal for four years, I can tell you straight up, we are doomed in Nigeria. From underground job recruitments without advertising to over-bloated budgets, to disobedience to the rule of law to massive fund misappropriation to terrible working conditions to insensitivity to staff welfare. Sweetheart, port if you can now. I regret not doing so 6 years ago because I believed so much in my country. I have seen that to survive in Nigeria, you need to have a bit of selfishness, heartlessness, wickedness, myopic, daftness, shortsightedness, and excess of corruptness.

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Those are virtues in the shithole.

Excellence is not rewarded rather mediocrity is applauded. When you act different, many look at you like you are from Mars. Is this your idea of a developing country because from my analysis, that is still mediocrity.

Exactly.

x

princfred:
So you think its the same education and value of certificate?

You are not following ..

EMMAACHILE:

You can to an extent but not when compared to the best quality of education like Finland or Switzerland.

If you truly believed that you can live large in Nigeria without good education and infrastructures then your argument is flawed

peacengine:


My guy, insanity is when you keep holding unto past and making them your present problems. If light will make you call a country failed state then o boy that's your problem, my own is different. If you think we are a failed state then present something substantial to me like evidence of economic failure, uncontrallable rise in inflation, drastic fall in GDP, all round war and non functional federal govt parastatals. Present evidence of all round famine, disaster in IT, total breakdown of communication facilities (no more gsm), and so on. Our country lacks adequate supply of electricity is a fact but are you free to provide yours? Yes. Road infrastructure is not totally a write off, at least I travelled through the East by road recently and I saw good network all the way to Ogoja(ongoing in Ogoja), through Enugu. Much still needs to be done but average rating can be given.
Guy migrate Sir, myself I de find way to trade business with Nigerians abroad as I'm looking into farming. Go in peace sir

You even mention road!!!
Mediocrity seems to be eating deep into you

Are you aware of the recent shameful altercation between Lalung and Dalong, Governor and Minister of Sports respectively, both from Plateau State. Visiting the state, President Buhari had “commissioned” a bridge which, according to the minister, was built by Goodluck Jonathan. Unaware Buhari had been misled to that appropriation by the governor, says Dalung.

Look here bro, A bridge, in other words, a road. Roads are nothing, except in insane, pathetic nations. Roads occupy the bottom of civilization, achieved without a puff by the ancestors of serious nations. Animals build roads, little roads that serve their own mobility and economic designs—without fanfare of course. Roads! Nobody “commissions” roads anywhere among decent nations in 2018. At nearly 60 years of self-governance, sensible leadership would ordinarily build roads quietly and with utmost modesty, in order not to alert the world that we are still trying to cut tarred paths on the ground—not subways, not automated bridges. Sensible leadership, that is.

And look at that vain, empty coinage—“commission”. Grand, noisy, foolish. Grammatically wrong, it was looted from decent vocabulary to serve the vanity of Nigerian pompous officialdom. “Commission” has nothing to do with roads.

In 2018, two Nigerian leaders are fighting on top of shit. 100 years from now, we will still be building roads because, a year from now, that contested road will have gone bad while a thousand others are yet awaiting their turns at construction. 100 years from now, we will still be putting colourful tapes around “Round-Abouts”, clicking cameras to capture the pathetic smiles of dystopian leadership. 100 years from now, someone will call our children “Shithole” dwellers—and they will kick!

Meanwhile , look at this new beautiful highway constructed by a local government in Hubei Province , which opened to traffic on Sunday, is being hailed online as one of the most beautiful road in China. Around 4.4 kilometers of the 10.9-kilometer-long Guzhao Highway is built over water.

The local government spent nearly 440 million yuan (around 70 million US dollars) to build the highway, to connect remote villages with the outside world without damaging the natural environment,

When will this happen here?

Saw this article in my mail just now. See link below though it's about Canada as destination.

Nigeria’s stressed-out middle-class is trying to leave in droves and the destination is Canada. Very soon, only the very poor will remain behind

https://qz.com/1271591/nigerias-stressed-out-middle-class-is-trying-to-leave-in-droves-and-the-destination-is-canada/?utm_source=Africa.com&utm_campaign=f9999c7412-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_02_23&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_12683c81a6-f9999c7412-29257901

Hello everyone.

Please, anyone that don't like the topic or title of this thread should create his or her own thread.

Nice one theamerican.

Thank you.

justwise:


If you truly believed that you can live large in Nigeria without good education and infrastructures then your argument is flawed

Me myself don't need education anymore except for just more knowledge. I can survive anywhere bro. I have access to water and roads at least. Where I stay in Abuja has almost 24/7 electricity, and Lokoja is poorer at 16 hours averagely.
I will make more cash here than overseas and can decide to make the move whenever I want. I will not make the move because I am trying to survive or to make more money but only to enjoy the infrastructure there. There is a difference between the two.

reDazey:

Having worked in a government parastatal for four years, I can tell you straight up, we are doomed in Nigeria. From underground job recruitments without advertising to over-bloated budgets, to disobedience to the rule of law to massive fund misappropriation to terrible working conditions to insensitivity to staff welfare. Sweetheart, port if you can now. I regret not doing so 6 years ago because I believed so much in my country. I have seen that to survive in Nigeria, you need to have a bit of selfishness, heartlessness, wickedness, myopic, daftness, shortsightedness, and excess of corruptness. Excellence is not rewarded rather mediocrity is applauded. When you act different, many look at you like you are from Mars. Is this your idea of a developing country because from my analysis, that is still mediocrity.

Wow, wow and wow, Succinctly put and spot on, people like you who say the truth the way it is are rare, kudos to you

orimahspence:


You even mention road!!!
Mediocrity seems to be eating deep into you

Are you aware of the recent shameful altercation between Lalung and Dalong, Governor and Minister of Sports respectively, both from Plateau State. Visiting the state, President Buhari had “commissioned” a bridge which, according to the minister, was built by Goodluck Jonathan. Unaware Buhari had been misled to that appropriation by the governor, says Dalung.

Look here bro, A bridge, in other words, a road. Roads are nothing, except in insane, pathetic nations. Roads occupy the bottom of civilization, achieved without a puff by the ancestors of serious nations. Animals build roads, little roads that serve their own mobility and economic designs—without fanfare of course. Roads! Nobody “commissions” roads anywhere among decent nations in 2018. At nearly 60 years of self-governance, sensible leadership would ordinarily build roads quietly and with utmost modesty, in order not to alert the world that we are still trying to cut tarred paths on the ground—not subways, not automated bridges. Sensible leadership, that is.

And look at that vain, empty coinage—“commission”. Grand, noisy, foolish. Grammatically wrong, it was looted from decent vocabulary to serve the vanity of Nigerian pompous officialdom. “Commission” has nothing to do with roads.

In 2018, two Nigerian leaders are fighting on top of shit. 100 years from now, we will still be building roads because, a year from now, that contested road will have gone bad while a thousand others are yet awaiting their turns at construction. 100 years from now, we will still be putting colourful tapes around “Round-Abouts”, clicking cameras to capture the pathetic smiles of dystopian leadership. 100 years from now, someone will call our children “Shithole” dwellers—and they will kick!

Meanwhile , look at this new beautiful highway constructed by a local government in Hubei Province , which opened to traffic on Sunday, is being hailed online as one of the most beautiful road in China. Around 4.4 kilometers of the 10.9-kilometer-long Guzhao Highway is built over water.

The local government spent nearly 440 million yuan (around 70 million US dollars) to build the highway, to connect remote villages with the outside world without damaging the natural environment,

When will this happen here?

Can it happen in Nigeria yes but it will never ever happen because of the kind of satanic, occultic, devilish, corrupt, inept, wicked politicians we have at all levels of governance in Nigeria.

Nigeria is still battling with less than 10,000 mgw of electricity despite the billions of naira pumped into that sector since 1999, same applies to roads, and infrastructures, what you see as development that people celebrate are cosmetic shows by politicians to assuage the masses.

I, practically provided everything myself when I completed my house in lagos, I sunk a borehole, bought poles and wires to connect power to my house, apart from sundry neighborhood expenses l have to pay every now and then as maintenance, recently l sent money to Nigeria as my own contributions towards constructing a drainage/culvert in my neighborhood in lagos, if I have to provide everything myself, what is the need to even have or celebrate in the country, and people are saying things the way it is and you are called names.

Buhari the so called Messiah was sick and went to England for treatment, millions of Nigerians cannot afford good hospitals but a sitting president has team of professional Doctors at his Beck and call and they are clapping for him, why can't the UK prime minister or the US president come to Nigeria for medical attention, what a country, and some crackheads on this thread are saying people are bitter and they fail to see the hopelessness in that jungle.

EMMAACHILE:

Me myself don't need education anymore except for just more knowledge. I can survive anywhere bro. I have access to water and roads at least. Where I stay in Abuja has almost 24/7 electricity, and Lokoja is poorer at 16 hours averagely.
I will make more cash here than overseas and can decide to make the move whenever I want. I will not make the move because I am trying to survive or to make more money but only to enjoy the infrastructure there. There is a difference between the two.

Thats the self centered orientation that has kept Nigeria backwards. Just because you enjoy electricity or good roads inside one estate or area does not nullify the fact thats its pathetic that other citizens, say 97%, are not assured of 10 hr/day power supply in this century or that its unfortunate that road construction or patching is still celebrated in an oil rich country after 50+ years. Just because things are well with a microscopic few does not mean the sufferings of many more should be overlooked. No society develops with such selfish orientation as yours and those of so called Nigerian leaders. Just because Buhari affords medical trips does not mean Nigerians have great healthcare.

EMMAACHILE:

Me myself don't need education anymore except for just more knowledge. I can survive anywhere bro. I have access to water and roads at least. Where I stay in Abuja has almost 24/7 electricity, and Lokoja is poorer at 16 hours averagely.
I will make more cash here than overseas and can decide to make the move whenever I want. I will not make the move because I am trying to survive or to make more money but only to enjoy the infrastructure there. There is a difference between the two.

You have just given hypocrisy a new meaning today