happy Sunday guys

Livefreeordieha:
u are just delusional and a rare type of hybrid sheeple...


I will not ask u so much...Just one...Do u know that if the missionaries that came to Africa charged exorbitant fees most of us won't be here today perhaps still under colony but the free education afforded our ancestors to tap free,gain knowledge and asked for our independence...


Why can't ur churches atleast make it affordable if not free...

If u like quote Me with another sheeple influenced bullshittttt...Middle finger is wat awaits u...


Answer the simple questions and stop being a religious nuisance.

Leave Higher.Ed first. The thing is a bit personal to him.

Now, did the missionaries build universities when they came here? No
Is it cheap to run a university? No
Is there any cheap private university (by your standards) on the surface of the earth? No. Even the ones built by the so called "missionaries" charge up to 7million naira per student.
So tell me, what miracle do you want the churches to perform to make the universities "free"?
Do you expect lecturers to teach and not demand salary? Do you expect cleaners to clean and not demand salary? Do you expect the university to order infrastructure and not pay for it? Do you expect them to receive their 24/7 electricity for free?

Please tell me, what plan do you have that can make a full fledged university free? Tell us this your brilliant idea that no one on earth has ever thought of before.

izzou:


[b]First of all, I do not support Falz in anyway. So don't quote me if you don't understand my points. Thank you.

My question is? What is the aim of building the University in the first place? Is it to provide quality education, or to make profit?

If it's to provide quality education, then who are the targets? The rich or the poor? Because I'm sure no poor man can afford a private university.

Take a look at this country. The churches have made a mockery of the whole education sector. Every church wants to have a university. And you want to tell me it's not for profits? Even the church that will reign tomorrow are already looking for a parcel of land for their proposed university. Don't we have enough already?

Why can't these churches build industries? Why can't two or three of these churches come together and create wealth if not for anyone, at least for their members?

Instead, they create more and more divisions among themselves. This founder will boast to his students that his school is the best amongst others, and how God gave him the vision to revive the educational sector. Rubbish

I need not type more so you don't think I actually support Falz. Falz should have just kept quiet. It would have been better[/b]

You are intelligent

Stallion93:
So u can dedicate time this much to Express your High grade Ignorance? Foolishness is Toxic, in as much as u are foolish and u have every right to be, plz keep it to yourself and your wrinkled herniated ballz, don't bring it here on Nairaland

Raise relevant points and stop showing your wisdom level.

HigherEd:


You ask why churches build universities? That I'm sorry to say is very funny. The churches build universities to be able to pass the Christian ordinance into a youthful population. Having the opportunity to teach students the ways of God under the platform of secular education is too great an opportunity to pass by. To correct ills of the society by taking folks at their formative stage and serving as an incubation for their developments into morally equipped individuals with reverence and knowledge of God.

Now churches have been building universities even before the person who named Nigeria was born and even preceded the US government and European nations to establish them. The Harvard's, Yale, Notre dame, yonsei would never have existed without the church.



As per industry the church has no mandate in it. Why should the church build industries? To create wealth - it is not the role of the church to create wealth, To provide jobs - It is not the role of the church to provide jobs. Unlike Universities, industries don't serve any relevance to the mandate of the church or her gospel. Let Kings remain kings and priest remain priest.

The church continues to have a mandate in creating schools(especially primary and secondary), Orphanages, Rehabs and Hospitals. Skill acquisitions for members is ok, building income generating companies is taking it too far.



No church university in Nigeria today is for profit making. The most expensive one, Babcock is subsidized by 2% of her total budget by the adventist church. Apostolic church gives Crawford 350 million subsidy every year, CU gets above 2 billion grants from winners every year. Landmark has gotten 6 billion in the past few years(I can go on!)



Are Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Yonsei, Notre dame affordable to the poor? Shouldn't they have been created(by the church) because the poor couldn't afford them? Do you even know the purpose of creating universities. You think it is to share admission for people.


Mockery? You sir are beginning to spout nonsense. The church universities which have run uninterrupted academic calendars, housed students like actual human beings, provided amenities the govt can't provide are suddenly the ones who are making a mockery of education. To take it further you are quite confused also. You just accused the church of profit mongering after slandering them for not investing in industries which are huge money spinners. It is safe to assume you would end up accusing the church of anything your imagination can create if they actually go into building industries.

Please, clarify on clergymen / churches that own Airlines that provide charter jet services, such as Dominion Air Company and Emmanuel Aviation, and help reconcile it with your submission on the mandate of the Church.

HigherEd:

You ask why churches build universities? That I'm sorry to say is very funny. The churches build universities to be able to pass the Christian ordinance into a youthful population. Having the opportunity to teach students the ways of God under the platform of secular education is too great an opportunity to pass by. To correct ills of the society by taking folks at their formative stage and serving as an incubation for their developments into morally equipped individuals with reverence and knowledge of God.

Now churches have been building universities even before the person who named Nigeria was born and even preceded the US government and European nations to establish them. The Harvard's, Yale, Notre dame, yonsei would never have existed without the church.



As per industry the church has no mandate in it. Why should the church build industries? To create wealth - it is not the role of the church to create wealth, To provide jobs - It is not the role of the church to provide jobs. Unlike Universities, industries don't serve any relevance to the mandate of the church or her gospel. Let Kings remain kings and priest remain priest.

The church continues to have a mandate in creating schools(especially primary and secondary), Orphanages, Rehabs and Hospitals. Skill acquisitions for members is ok, building income generating companies is taking it too far.



No church university in Nigeria today is for profit making. The most expensive one, Babcock is subsidized by 2% of her total budget by the adventist church. Apostolic church gives Crawford 350 million subsidy every year, CU gets above 2 billion grants from winners every year. Landmark has gotten 6 billion in the past few years(I can go on!)



Are Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Yonsei, Notre dame affordable to the poor? Shouldn't they have been created(by the church) because the poor couldn't afford them? Do you even know the purpose of creating universities. You think it is to share admission for people.


Mockery? You sir are beginning to spout nonsense. The church universities which have run uninterrupted academic calendars, housed students like actual human beings, provided amenities the govt can't provide are suddenly the ones who are making a mockery of education. To take it further you are quite confused also. You just accused the church of profit mongering after slandering them for not investing in industries which are huge money spinners. It is safe to assume you would end up accusing the church of anything your imagination can create if they actually go into building industries. I know your type sir you would also accuse the church of building car industries with money of the poor while the poor can't afford it. Abi what are we supposed to do when we build cars that the poor can't afford. We should share the cars for free abi. After all with una thinking the church receives tithe and should be able to share free cars it produces

Bulls-hit!!! Satan be gone

StarOnEarth:

Reasonable people are giving quality point on the topic created and you just came from nowhere to make a fool of yourself. If you don't have a point to counter is opinion then I believe you deserve to shut up.

he made his contribution by telling him to shut up...u dats empty skull shut up if u dnt av anytin to say

kennypoka2:


Bulls-hit!!! Satan be gone

But is he wrong? No.

[quote author=HigherEd post=67918443]
We are simply asking many of these entitled folks to tell us where you got your ideas of an utopia where church uni run without charging fees. Yale, Princeton, Harvard came into the argument because they were founded by churches of their clergies. But if you think that is too hard to process then tell us how Yonsei, regeant, pepperdine, Oral Roberts uni, biola uni, Loyola Marymount uni, oakwood uni, villanova uni, leeward, Georgetown uni, St Andrews uni all founded and in many cases still run by churches charge millions of naira that dwarf the tuition of Nigerian church unis.
Why are people in those countries not screaming like many of the idiots in Nigeria. Maybe it's because they understand a thing or two about what it cost to run a university.

Why are their poor not screaming blue murder against the church for allowing their unis charge them thousands of dollars in fees which results in ppl taking back breaking loans to pay. Choi Fresh Oil Dey Ur Head

izzou:


[b]It may please you to know that I am a product of a private university(church owned) in this country

Saying that no church built it's university for profit making is a lie. It's either you are ignorant, or you just want to lie. Ask those who have been there. I'll rest my case on this point. Make we no too talk am

Now, you say the church doesn't have the mandate to build industries. Fine. I agree. So how did they get the mandate to build schools?
Note that I'm not against churches building universities . I'm just against the fact that every church now builds it's own universities. Our purpose of getting education is to have a positive impact in the society, while we make a living. There is no platform for us to make a living. There are no jobs, and no structures on ground to create one. Instead of using this loophole to impact godly principles into people, we still create more problems

Look at Nigeria. Every state has its own university, polytechnic and other tertiary institutions. Coupled with the ones of the Federal government and you still see sense in adding more.

Talking about godly principles, what class of Nigerians are they targeting? The rich or the poor? Because a middle class Nigerian will not find paying 500k a semester easy, not to talk of the poor.

Be it known to thee that there are other super mega churches outside Nigeria and Africa. If the aim was to impact godly principles, they should have littered their countries with universities too.

[/b]

Another sense!!! ����

DrayZee:

Leave Higher.Ed first. The thing is a bit personal to him.

Now, did the missionaries build universities when they came here? No
Is it cheap to run a university? No
Is there any cheap private university (by your standards) on the surface of the earth? No. Even the ones built by the so called "missionaries" charge up to 7million naira per student.
So tell me, what miracle do you want the churches to perform to make the universities "free"?

Focus on the message, why is it that poor members who want to go to school can't afford to go to the university? Is there a system in place to make it available for them? A balanced kind of system where the rich pay well to enable poorer families to attend the schools? No doubt it is expensive to run a university, but when you build one with the effort of all your members , rich and poor, it is sane to also set up systems that will make it affordable for all the members

HigherEd:


You ask why churches build universities? That I'm sorry to say is very funny. The churches build universities to be able to pass the Christian ordinance into a youthful population. Having the opportunity to teach students the ways of God under the platform of secular education is too great an opportunity to pass by.........

The bolded in your response is the very crox of the matter. If your supposed members cannot attend the universities, who are you planning to teach the way of God. No one is saying education dose not cost much. But what will you make of a commodity that majority cannot afford. Yet you collect money from these majority to build the commodity. If you're sincere with yourself and the bolded is the real reason these churches build schools then you will agree that they are all failing.

CodeTemplar:
So let us reason it further brethren.
A man earn #50,000 and can't afford to pay #600, 000 as fee per annum, he pays his tithe of #5,000 in accordance with the covenant and now wants the church to flip his average annual tithe of #60,000(#5000/month) into #600,000 in form of subsidized education.
It takes a level of dead conscience for such a thought to flow through a sane mans mind.

This is so daft and ignorant. No wonder Nigeria is where it is today - thriving churches everywhere while the populace live in squalor. This analogy is like saying because everyone pays different amount of tax, the rich should be treated or provided with better social amenities than other fellow tax paying citizens?

My friend, receive sense.

And for those talking about harvard and the likes, ever heard of the dark ages? when church was collecting everyones money and most of the average citizen in europe were living in poverty?

demolagilbert:
i needed to quote you cos i see pple do this sort of comparison a lot, and it is economically wrong. You need to consider purchasing power parity btw countries. You need to consider first what is the avg annual earning of a low to middle class person in that cairo, or the us or the uk or whichever countries you wanna juxtapose figures with. Then you consider the purchasing power parity of your country Nigeria, where the avg annual earning of someone who makes 120k a month, would be just about 2500+ dollars a year. Now consider, how many ppl in Nigeria in 2018 currently make even this abysmal 120k per month. That is how it is done. You dont compare someone who is the us doing a shoddy menial job and making 10 dollars or more an hour to Nigerian some of who are making 10 dolllars for a whole day job, whilst in a bank, wearing a tie, and thinking he is a big boy. With a year of savings a student who has a good side job like a nursing assistant in the US can save 15000 dollars, and buy a venza. Heck my ex just did. And she isn t evn middle class yet. some Apartments in california or new york can charge in tens of thousands a month. So such comparison without considering purchasing power parity, is a faulty one

Wrong. wrong again

CodeTemplar:
So let us reason it further brethren.
A man earn #50,000 and can't afford to pay #600, 000 as fee per annum, he pays his tithe of #5,000 in accordance with the covenant and now wants the church to flip his average annual tithe of #60,000(#5000/month) into #600,000 in form of subsidized education.
It takes a level of dead conscience for such a thought to flow through a sane mans mind.

Or a conc mixture of madness and stupefying foolishness!

Most of the comments on here reinforces my earlier conclusion that frequenting Nairaland is an intellectually suicidal venture that's brain-killing on almost all fronts.

If this is how home-based Nigerians reason, then, it better we adios!

HigherEd:

I may need to school you again on what a profit making university is. Harvard with $25 billion endowment and 15 million naira/annum tuition is not a profit making university. Neither is Stanford nor Yale. That a university is collecting 10 million naira a year doesn't make it profit making. When we say a university is non profit. It simply means that the founders have elected to reinvest all revenue into the system.
The only faith based university in Nigeria that i am aware of being a profit making university is Alhikmah university which is Islamic.


Which yeye loophole. That is why you have a government you voted for. Even the Isrealites who had a thin line between Religion/State didn't expect nonsense from the synagogue. The church can't veer into full blown political governance and leave matters of spirituality relegate to the background. The essense of the church is to feed the spirit and soul not the belly. The church can give you food but does not have to give you a job.


Lol don't talk about an issue you know nothing of. NUC license more universities because there is shortage of universities. Nearly a million Nigerian youths are denied spaces every year in unis due to unavailable spaces.




What are you saying lol. The Adventist church has over 100 universities splashed across USA and Europe. There is no organisation in the world that owns half as much universities as the catholics. According to Professor Okebukola the catholic church has about 3,000 universities splattered across the globe. The Church of Christ owns/affilited to hundreds of universities in North America. The baptist church owns about 70 universities in the US. Combine all the government universities in the US they don't have 1/10th of universities belonging to churches. And amazingly govt partly funds the church universities there too and they are still not free.

Another Bulls-hit!!! ���

Mudley313:


This is so daft and ignorant. No wonder Nigeria is where it is today - thriving churches everywhere while the populace live in squalor. This analogy is like saying because everyone pays different amount of tax, the rich should be treated or provided with better social amenities than other fellow tax paying citizens?

My friend, receive sense.

And for those talking about harvard and the likes, ever heard of the dark ages? when church was collecting everyones money and most of the average citizen in europe were living in poverty?

Counter my argument intelligently Sir. or get out.

DrayZee:

Leave Higher.Ed first. The thing is a bit personal to him.

Now, did the missionaries build universities when they came here? No
Is it cheap to run a university? No
Is there any cheap private university (by your standards) on the surface of the earth? No. Even the ones built by the so called "missionaries" charge up to 7million naira per student.
So tell me, what miracle do you want the churches to perform to make the universities "free"?

[s]So tell me, what miracle do you want the churches to perform to make the universities "free"?[/s]. The only miracle is for them to set their priorities straight. I am not against the churches building universities but looking at the controversies surrounding this, they should stop building the so-called universities since it can't be free. Thank God we have government universities which are quite affordable; they should try to support its members through scholarships schemes/programs. I think this would save them the stress of all these arguements.

izzou:



We are talking about Falz and his opinion. You should know Falz was talking our Nigerian pastors and not Harvard or Yale. I don't know why you keep bringing Harvard into this. Or you want to compare Harvard to mediocre universities like Madonna or Redeemers that still charge millions of naira for nothing?

And you guys feel it's not the church's responsibility to create jobs. I totally agree. But it's the church's responsibility to take almost a million from me a session, because they want to impact godly principles into me? Wonderful.

I wish I had time to reply your mentions. I want to hit the road soon. Falz is wrong because it's not his business, just as it isn't mine. But the springing up of universities everywhere by churches shows its not longer an issue of godly principles. It's about the money

I beg to differ Falz isn't wrong. Everybody and I repeat everybody is entitled to an opinion on any subject matter. We can't say it's not his business. Or did I miss the memo where we now dictate people's opinions

And why is that of all the issues raised in the parody you're only concerned about the church remarks. He called us all criminals (courtesy of pmb), he literally touched all that is wrong with Nigeria today but no it's the church that's your major concern.

CodeTemplar:
I am forced to reply folks like you through whom dark voices speak...
Industries or schools? As long as the church is taking up one or two responsibilities of the government that matches her own goals the church is doing more than enough for the government and people.

Even If the church builds industry you will still lament that illiterate church goers can't secure employment there because the church didn't build schools and educate them for almost free.

To even start with, the governments' responsibility isn't to create industries directly but to create an enabling environment for industries to thrive and compete globally. If the church must be the one to create industries let all who desire to work in those industries pay their tax to the Church and maintain a tax card as their social security ID.

Shut up! Look up the word church in the Bible.. What is church? Who are the church ���

blaise26abj:


Focus on the message, why is it that poor members who want to go to school can't afford to go to the university? Is there a system in place to make it available for them? A balanced kind of system where the rich pay well to enable poorer families to attend the schools? No doubt it is expensive to run a university, but when you build one with the effort of all your members , rich and poor, it is sane to also set up systems that will make it affordable for all the members

Wow. So you mean to tell me you've not heard of the scholarship foundations most of those universities run for not-so-privileged members of their churches?
You must have heard of it.

HigherEd:
It is sad that once again a Nigerian who ought to be a responsible mentor for Nigerian youths has towed the unfortunate path of Ignorance. In his recent music video, Fahlz called out Nigerian Churches for building universities with money of the poor yet made it unavailable for the poor due to "expensive" tuition.

This is one of the numerous emotional blackmail that churches in Nigeria are being subjected to. It is sad because one wonders if much of these accusers even realise what it takes to fund a mediocre university not to talk of a good one. In much of these debates and attacks against churches, most seem to abandon the facts rather they go feed on the lies and propaganda against the church which is an easy target because most churches rightly do not have PR teams or many individuals knowledgeable enough to defend them.

How Much Does It Cost To Run A Nigerian University
We would be using federal and state universities as a guide here due to the unavailability of data from mission universities.
In their underfunded states, the University of Ibadan's annual wage bill stands at 800 million naira/month translating to 10 billion naira/annum. Capital allocation to the university also stands at 1 billion naira/annum. While Tetfund's annual allocation stands at 2 billion naira per annum. Therefore all FG induced funding stands at 13 billion naira for a total number of 29,783 students which put total FG subsidy of UI at N437,000.00 per annum. This is excluding the IGR made by the university.
State universities on the other hand have a typical wage bill profile of about 5 billion a year. Example would be the likes of Lautech and EkSu with 390> million naira and 450 million naira as wage bill respectively.

If Governments are finding it hard to fund universities how would fahlz expect churches to do so exclusively?
Until recently Lautech was enmeshed in a serie of Industrial actions which was a result of the two owner state's inability to pay subvention for the university. Adekunle Ajasin on the other hand witnessed an internal crisis when state government had to hike the fees students where paying. All these are testament to the fact that university education is severely expensive to fund. So the intelligent questions that Fahlz should be asking is how state governments funded with Oil revenue, Compulsory Tax and a predictable income regime are finding it nearly impossible to properly fund single universities across their various states. Not why should churches who are funded by Voluntary donations and a nonconsistent income regime must fund free education.

There Are No Free Church Universities Anywhere In The World.
While most of the advocates of free church university education are quick to cite old missionaries as the reason why today's church must give free education it is curious as to why they refuse to cite free church universities in adavanced nations of the world today which currently practices free education. They cunningly make it sound as though tuition fees was invented by Nigerian pastors. But it is indeed far from the truth. The fact is that majority of the conventional churches across the globe funded or founded by churches charge way higher than their counterparts in Nigerian universities. Exceptions would be made of university cum seminaries which are usually also funded by churches.

"Church Universities Are Funded By The Poor" - A lie invented by Mischievous individuals
Half truths are equal to lies, to say that church universities are funded by the poor is to insinuate that they are exclusively funded by them. But that would be a lie because the obvious truth is that they are equally funded by the rich and middle class who in some cases don't even bother applying. Much of these self appointed advocates of the poor are in the reality hypocrites using poor people as a pawn in a dirty war game against the church.
University education is expensive everywhere and where it is free someone must be paying for it. Many of the hyocritic advocates of the poor make it seem as though poor people sell off their inheritances to gift to churches so as to build schools "that are for the rich". But in reality what most church members give to churches or university donations are negligible funds such as 50 - 500 naira. How many 50/100 naira notes are you going to pull together to replace one 800,000 required to educate one kid?


Nigerian Churches Should Continue Their Good works In The Higher Education Sector And Ignore Detractors.
The fact of the matter is that Nigerian churches provided over 30 universities which has given thousands of Nigerian youths the opportunity to study in a country with one of the lowest university per populations in the world. They've done that and have equally saved Nigeria millions in foreign exchange which erstwhile was lost to education tourism. They've funded researches in millions, owned research institutes which helped in curbing infectious disease and now even one now has a startup laboratory.


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Pls receive sense cus It is very obvious U have lost your sense of reasoning. If your aim of building those universities is to impact godly knowledge from infancy, y then exclude the poor from being beneficiaries wth your high demands?

First of all, i must must commend the writer or composer of this defense you have done a good job, however you didn't look at it from other angles. let me quickly respond to point you make by telling people that N50, N100,...N500 is nothing to build or run a university sir you miss it there because if N50 is not added to N950 it will never be N1000 and the fund in the building of universities today take or leave it. the N50, N100, ...N500 was added to make up that project.
Secondly if anyone is propseding on any on project, it will be good if he carry out feasibility study, viability study of course Cost Benefit Analysis (CBA) all these is to help is the project will be successful in the future and as for the CBA, it will help to if the running cost of the project will out weight the benefit of Vise- Visa. if Mr A fail to carry out all these studies before proposing a project and the out is out weighing the benefit which in turn forcing him to spending more than he ever expect, i on the opinion that Mr B should learn from Mr A before proposing a project and not to go in because it is competition sake.

Shame on top ye all who has failed in the primary duty of the lord. You are all here to convert souls, why build secondary and tertiary institutions or industry when my father God would destroy the earth one day and put sinners to hell before the paradise finally.

You all have failed your primary missions by deciding to follow the worldly things of Satan and succouring to pressure and all of you would burn to hell. My lord has told never to keep evangelizing and forget the things of this world as my reward is in heaven. In my family we are not allowed to have any formal education as we stick to the lords wishes and truly he provides for us.

THIS IS THE FINAL WARNING TO YE ALL, START CARRYING OUT CHRIST MAJOR ASSIGNMENT AND LEAVE THE THINGS OF THE WORD.

CodeTemplar:
But let us reasonable oh, How can a church extort a follower and the follower still goes there ? Use what God gave you na.

Bro, did you just ask such a naive question??

Haven't you heard about Stockholm syndrome?

Let me give you a wonderful scenerio. Look at our politicians. Even when they underperform in their states, you still see people hailing them. Look at the imperialists. We, Africans, are totally aware of the exploitation of the west, but many people love them and see them as the best.

And yes, I forgot the brainwashing technique. Pastors use different tactics to blind people. One such techniques is threat. When you are beginning to feel exploited and try to question them, they use their most beloved verse "touch not my anointed".

During the Suleman-Otobo saga, Suleman told his followers to cut ties with anyone (family or friends) who is showing some sympathies toward Otobo. That anyone who wants to give Otobo a benefit of the doubt is fighting the Church.

There is a church beside me. I was listening to the pastor one Sunday morning. The man was telling his followers that anyone who leaves his church cannot succeed elsewhere except he returns to his church to seek his forgiveness.

So, stop asking such naive question.

CodeTemplar:
Tithe is voluntary unlike tax. If pastors are to provide a working society for members don't you think Muslims and nonbelievers are being left out?

Let FG relinquish 5 or 10 juicy oil wells to the church and we will see church providing cheap populated schools like UNIZIK and UNILAG.

See thief, you now want oil well, so that your pastors will start packing private jet like shoes abi??

HigherEd:
It is sad that once again a Nigerian who ought to be a responsible mentor for Nigerian youths has towed the unfortunate path of Ignorance. In his recent music video, Fahlz called out Nigerian Churches for building universities with money of the poor yet made it unavailable for the poor due to "expensive" tuition.

This is one of the numerous emotional blackmail that churches in Nigeria are being subjected to. It is sad because one wonders if much of these accusers even realise what it takes to fund a mediocre university not to talk of a good one. In much of these debates and attacks against churches, most seem to abandon the facts rather they go feed on the lies and propaganda against the church which is an easy target because most churches rightly do not have PR teams or many individuals knowledgeable enough to defend them.

How Much Does It Cost To Run A Nigerian University
We would be using federal and state universities as a guide here due to the unavailability of data from mission universities.
In their underfunded states, the University of Ibadan's annual wage bill stands at 800 million naira/month translating to 10 billion naira/annum. Capital allocation to the university also stands at 1 billion naira/annum. While Tetfund's annual allocation stands at 2 billion naira per annum. Therefore all FG induced funding stands at 13 billion naira for a total number of 29,783 students which put total FG subsidy of UI at N437,000.00 per annum. This is excluding the IGR made by the university.
State universities on the other hand have a typical wage bill profile of about 5 billion a year. Example would be the likes of Lautech and EkSu with 390> million naira and 450 million naira as wage bill respectively.

If Governments are finding it hard to fund universities how would fahlz expect churches to do so exclusively?
Until recently Lautech was enmeshed in a serie of Industrial actions which was a result of the two owner state's inability to pay subvention for the university. Adekunle Ajasin on the other hand witnessed an internal crisis when state government had to hike the fees students where paying. All these are testament to the fact that university education is severely expensive to fund. So the intelligent questions that Fahlz should be asking is how state governments funded with Oil revenue, Compulsory Tax and a predictable income regime are finding it nearly impossible to properly fund single universities across their various states. Not why should churches who are funded by Voluntary donations and a nonconsistent income regime must fund free education.

There Are No Free Church Universities Anywhere In The World.
While most of the advocates of free church university education are quick to cite old missionaries as the reason why today's church must give free education it is curious as to why they refuse to cite free church universities in adavanced nations of the world today which currently practices free education. They cunningly make it sound as though tuition fees was invented by Nigerian pastors. But it is indeed far from the truth. The fact is that majority of the conventional churches across the globe funded or founded by churches charge way higher than their counterparts in Nigerian universities. Exceptions would be made of university cum seminaries which are usually also funded by churches.

"Church Universities Are Funded By The Poor" - A lie invented by Mischievous individuals
Half truths are equal to lies, to say that church universities are funded by the poor is to insinuate that they are exclusively funded by them. But that would be a lie because the obvious truth is that they are equally funded by the rich and middle class who in some cases don't even bother applying. Much of these self appointed advocates of the poor are in the reality hypocrites using poor people as a pawn in a dirty war game against the church.
University education is expensive everywhere and where it is free someone must be paying for it. Many of the hyocritic advocates of the poor make it seem as though poor people sell off their inheritances to gift to churches so as to build schools "that are for the rich". But in reality what most church members give to churches or university donations are negligible funds such as 50 - 500 naira. How many 50/100 naira notes are you going to pull together to replace one 800,000 required to educate one kid?


Nigerian Churches Should Continue Their Good works In The Higher Education Sector And Ignore Detractors.
The fact of the matter is that Nigerian churches provided over 30 universities which has given thousands of Nigerian youths the opportunity to study in a country with one of the lowest university per populations in the world. They've done that and have equally saved Nigeria millions in foreign exchange which erstwhile was lost to education tourism. They've funded researches in millions, owned research institutes which helped in curbing infectious disease and now even one now has a startup laboratory.


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With all due respect, churches have no business venturing into profit making. Besides why on earth should any church charge fees that only the rich can afford? How does it glorify God?

oke48:


[s]So tell me, what miracle do you want the churches to perform to make the universities "free"?[/s]. The only miracle is for them to set their priorities straight. I am not against the churches building universities but looking at the controversies surrounding this, they should stop building the so-called universities since it can't be free. Thank God we have government universities which are quite affordable; they should try to support its members through scholarships schemes/programs. I think this would save them the stress of all these arguements.

So because of "controversy" created by a few people who simply hate the church, then they should stop building universities offering quality education.
Wait, scratch that, how come most of you arguing here are still talking about scholarship schemes. Virtually all those universities have scholarship schemes for their church members.

Dami12345:


See thief, you now want oil well, so that your pastors will start packing private jet like shoes abi??

You and falz want industry from church abi

This argument is very simple to me. When you want to build a church, you pass envelops around for people to donate funds, no amount is too small you say. Then you buy the property in the name of one man. You open the church account quite alright but your spiritual head is the sole signatory and his wife or wards as next of kin. For God's sake, these are people's widow's might. You ask people to donate for building a school, no amount is too small you say again. But when the project comes to fruition, you set standards. Yes we know running an institution is no joke financially but when you take gifts from people, they feel entitled especially the poor. Here is my take, these spiritual heads can't tell us that they don't take salaries and payments from these tithes and offerings, so save up your earnings, collect loans from banks, build your university, don't name it after the church. In fact, no one needs to know the owner is a church spiritual head and everybody will be fine. I leave us with a question. How do you even feel comfortable collecting money from say a civil servant paying 850,000 each for three students in your school? A permanent secretary's basic salary is barely 500k per month. And that's the height of civil service work. Corruption smells already. How much do those pastors in your church get as salaries that they can even afford that tuition? Oh! I hear you say those ones are on scholarship. Yes, great one there. Then let all the poor students too from poor parents who gave their widow's might in building both church and school all get these scholarships and I think this case will be closed. Thank you

Oyibo paid for blacks to get free education. The question is which ones are we paying for for others like oyibo did? If they are not paying for others why have they not paid for those of their fellow blacks? After or before building universities why not build free primary school? Why dont they build orphanages, school of the blind, deaf or dumb. So many mad men roaming the streets without mental care. Where are the humanitarian buildings. Red cross etc was by Christian leaders first. But lets buy jets and build expensive universities in the midst of these much more pressing needs .........and blame whites.

DrayZee:

Wow. So you mean to tell me you've not heard of the scholarship foundations most of those universities run for not-so-privileged members of their churches?
You must have heard of it.

Nope. Google is my friend though. I will check it out. Higher Education cannot be free. It is too expensive.