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hopefulLandlord:
I don't want to get too explicit but its the same way a man can simulate the clit of a woman without penetrating her.

mhisbliss:
I just tire for your matter

Henkor:
Sorry for the delay.

Based on your response, if by homosexuality being unnatural you mean it not being in accordance with nature, it then begs the question of your notion of what it means for something to be in accordance with nature. You seem to forget that nature is incredibly diverse and it manifests in a plethora of ways. Not only do complex organisms like ourselves and other life forms that comprise nature manifest an array of traits, there is also variation within the manifestation of a particular trait. How then can you separate natural traits from unnatural traits, especially bearing in mind all the factors that influence the flourishing of particular traits in a given environment, most of which are externally mediated?

I think the problem is that you seem to be construing the predominance of a behavior as an indication of it being natural, while you construe other variations of that behavior that aren't as prevalent, as unnatural. This couldn't be further from the truth in my estimation. Is heterosexuality the only natural expression of human sexuality? How about asexuality? Are people who aren't naturally attracted to either sex abnormal? What you fail to realize is that variations within behaviors ALWAYS exist, and of course some variations aid the proliferation of a species, but this doesn't make them the only natural form of expression. This notion erroneously assumes that nature tilts towards the sustenance of life, which also isn't true, as nature is inherently self contradictory and most of the time moves to destroy itself, as is evidenced by natural disasters and deadly viruses. I mean, would you say cancer is unnatural since it doesn't aid the perpetuation of the human race? Or are sexually transmitted diseases unnatural since they are by their very nature against sexual reproduction?

If heterosexuality is natural, then are all various forms of it also natural? By your definition, all variations of heterosexual behavior are in fact natural. So an attraction to the opposite sex that's fueled by a desire to rape and abuse during copulation is also natural right? The desire of a man to have sex with a 12 year old girl is also natural right, since it falls within heterosexuality?

Martin0:
you don't need to madam

hopefulLandlord:
I don't want to get too explicit but its the same way a man can simulate the clit of a woman without penetrating her.

mhisbliss:
Yes i find them disgusting, imagine them doing it on the street? No straight person would find that comfortable so yes they're disgusting, you're the naive one here, trying to adopt something unusual because white people are adopting it

UDUJ:
True talk bro. Time to put it to practice tonight

mhisbliss:
But i am

IamPlato:
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Awon Baba fro The Girls.


Active Energetic Servicing Tonight

UDUJ:
I say this as someone whose view may be lacking some understanding on the subject, so I mean no offense for my assumptions.

You see the world is changing and there’s a reason to why everything is happening. I do think being gay is a mental issue, here's how I got to the conclusion:

Now, while you read this try to understand what I meant because I’m not trying to offend/insult anyone -

A lot of our human norms and needs evolve as we grow and one of the things that do is our sexuality. In this process of the evolving of our sexuality, things can be altered and different results will show up. In terms of sexuality, many things play a role in altering someone's sexuality. A great example would be an early access to pornographic material and the subsequent mind play it brings.

This is just a simple example, another example would be the many prisoners that turn gay during their time in jail with no access to a different sex, their sexuality had to go somewhere.

This is a tough one but there’s a reason why the percentage of gay people in the world is increasing everyday compared to say 20 years ago. It's not because the world population is increasing. There isn’t really a specific reason other than sexual redirection that I am aware of.

But in the animal world you have aphenomenon where 1 in 10 rams are gay or 3 in 10 penguins etc. That’s a very interesting fact (I suppose). This starts the argument that being gay is a natural thing and not a misdirection of sexuality.

Some animals have shown homosexual behaviours even when the different sex is around. And that's even more interesting.

Is this the case?

I would argue the contrary. Animals do stuff extrictly for their physical and emotional survival. How? A bear mom would leave her kids if she’s sure there's no way of running away. A chicken eats her egg if it couldn’t find any food. Female spider kills and eats male spider after mating. Etc.

But why would an animal have a same-sex partner if the opposite-sex is around?

I think it's more of an animal's simple instincts to do things, some animals like wolves have only one partner through their lives even if the other died. And they can be over-programmed too. A dog that used to enter a door after the owner opens the glass door. One day the glass door was open, the dog waited outside until the owner actually closed it and re-opened it in view of the dog

This means that some animals are wired to do stuff in a way that don’t change. And if this programming got altered this results in weird behaviours.

For example, when female spiders eat their mates, they do it because during the process of their evolution something changed in a way that forced their brains to break the rules because they couldn’t find an alternative. Therefore when the natural process of evolving gets altered weird results show up.

But the above example can’t apply to humans because the evolving disruption of the natural process of sexual evolution happens in someone’s life not during the early evolution. Why? Because the number of gay people is increasing each year.

This does not necessarily prove that being gay is a mental illness, although I prefer calling it sexual misdirection. From my little understanding this proves that the increase of gay people isn’t linked to a biological fact but to altering of a man/woman’s sexual nurturing process. However the existence of gay people isn’t all linked to that but part of evolution.

Conclusion: There are gay people because of evolution, but being gay doesn’t mean you’re born with it, it just means your sexuality was being altered in the background.

LivingFree:
There's 7b of us and growing... nature is just working with 'us'

UDUJ:
Yeah. Is that you on your profile page?

You are dashing

UDUJ:
Yeah. Is that you on your profile page?

You are dashing

UDUJ:
The bold faced, that's just what I've been waiting to read. Good one

LivingFree:
I see the thread went to the dogs... I guess I came late

hopefulLandlord:
don't mean to rain on your parade though but you don't call a woman "Dashing"

SoapQueen:
I'd be the Referee!
*blows whistle*

UDUJ:
Yeah you missed out on the good stuff

UDUJ:
I say this as someone whose view may be lacking some understanding on the subject, so I mean no offense for my assumptions.

You see the world is changing and there’s a reason to why everything is happening. I do think being gay is a mental issue, here's how I got to the conclusion:

Now, while you read this try to understand what I meant because I’m not trying to offend/insult anyone -

A lot of our human norms and needs evolve as we grow and one of the things that do is our sexuality. In this process of the evolving of our sexuality, things can be altered and different results will show up. In terms of sexuality, many things play a role in altering someone's sexuality. A great example would be an early access to pornographic material and the subsequent mind play it brings.

This is just a simple example, another example would be the many prisoners that turn gay during their time in jail with no access to a different sex, their sexuality had to go somewhere.

This is a tough one but there’s a reason why the percentage of gay people in the world is increasing everyday compared to say 20 years ago. It's not because the world population is increasing. There isn’t really a specific reason other than sexual redirection that I am aware of.

But in the animal world you have aphenomenon where 1 in 10 rams are gay or 3 in 10 penguins etc. That’s a very interesting fact (I suppose). This starts the argument that being gay is a natural thing and not a misdirection of sexuality.

Some animals have shown homosexual behaviours even when the different sex is around. And that's even more interesting.

Is this the case?

I would argue the contrary. Animals do stuff extrictly for their physical and emotional survival. How? A bear mom would leave her kids if she’s sure there's no way of running away. A chicken eats her egg if it couldn’t find any food. Female spider kills and eats male spider after mating. Etc.

But why would an animal have a same-sex partner if the opposite-sex is around?

I think it's more of an animal's simple instincts to do things, some animals like wolves have only one partner through their lives even if the other died. And they can be over-programmed too. A dog that used to enter a door after the owner opens the glass door. One day the glass door was open, the dog waited outside until the owner actually closed it and re-opened it in view of the dog

This means that some animals are wired to do stuff in a way that don’t change. And if this programming got altered this results in weird behaviours.

For example, when female spiders eat their mates, they do it because during the process of their evolution something changed in a way that forced their brains to break the rules because they couldn’t find an alternative. Therefore when the natural process of evolving gets altered weird results show up.

But the above example can’t apply to humans because the evolving disruption of the natural process of sexual evolution happens in someone’s life not during the early evolution. Why? Because the number of gay people is increasing each year.

This does not necessarily prove that being gay is a mental illness, although I prefer calling it sexual misdirection. From my little understanding this proves that the increase of gay people isn’t linked to a biological fact but to altering of a man/woman’s sexual nurturing process. However the existence of gay people isn’t all linked to that but part of evolution.

Conclusion: There are gay people because of evolution, but being gay doesn’t mean you’re born with it, it just means your sexuality was being altered in the background.

LivingFree:
@Bold: You're pissing in the wind...
Maybe the next generation because this generation is still ran by their mums and Dads rules to life. It's really sad that such a thread even exists. Then again, people were arguing over pedophile on this forum so I don't even know what to expect.

N0favors:
lol. Make I no talk again before Una set me up

makydebbie:
We all need to understand that nobody can be 'sane' as you're. Variety cuts it. How can we all be 'normal?' We're all products of how life shapes us.

I know it's not normal but let's allow other 'abnormal' live their lives.
We shouldn't tell people how to live their lives lol. How e take concern me in the first place.

mhisbliss:
Thanks all for derailing the thread, I'm outta here

1stSonOfLucifer:
Mhisbliss

Is anal sex with the opposite sex also unnatural? I ask because I notice people that play the unnatural card aren't as vocal about anal sex between 2 different sexes as anal sex between 2 same sexes
Companionship is not sex related

daveP:
you tried with your stance. wish you were more prepared for this defence.... try En get others of the same mind when the proper thread would be created anytime soon.


dobt forget to tag me.... you were outnumbered tonight.

LivingFree:
This thread was dead on arrival because using the word 'natural' is as stupid as using the word 'normal' in a sentence. Nature is all things inclusive, mothers eat their young in nature and they're here debate 'sex'

I don't wanna vex... you comment was refreshing

Safiaa:
To be sincere how could society influence homosexuality, especially in Nigeria where everything is totally against it?

Henkor:
It's equally refreshing to know that someone else shares my point of view and approves of the validity of my arguments.

I actually created this thread to have a one on one discussion with the said user because her post on the home page was strewn with very weak arguments and she seemed to have the support of lots of people, which was something I found baffling. Surprisingly enough, the post you quoted wasn't responded to by her or anyone else and my thread was highjacked by people who seemed to be having a humdrum Sunday afternoon.

LivingFree:
What can we say to that... thank you for being the hope behind humanity because that comment I quoted fed the soul

Nature ain't smiling and it ain't sentimental.

hopefulLandlord:
I support homosexuality IF they do it at the privacy of their own home with consensual partner(s) and they derive pleasure from it. You'd notice these reasons apply to heterosexuality as well

DaddyKross:
When people defend "Yahoo boys", they are automatically termed as a fraudster but welcome to Nairaland where you can defend faggôts and still claim to be straight.

To y'all bloody faggôts, i hope y'all get burnt in Sodom again. Mtcheew