achorladey:


Riofidelio: Seeing things from another perspective is good

Achorladey: this view of yours is highly welcomed.


Riofidelio: but the truth can't be more than ONE.

Achorladey: to come to terms with your statement above about the word "truth" you must on your own now find out what "past truth", present truth", "future truth" mean within Jehovah's organisation you are a member of.

Achorladey: if there is one truth, agreed!!! Do you have present truth, past truth within the organisation you serve? Can there be any truth greater than Matthew 22:37-39, John 14:6, John 3:16 Matthew 24:14? Do you believe all other christian community apart from the JWs believe this?

Riofidelio: so if you're still welcoming every contradicting doctrines and conflicting theories certainly you're not ready for the TRUTH!

Achorladey: You dont really understand the ministry entrusted to you by Jesus. Read through 1 Corinthians 9: 18-23 try and understand 1 Cor 9:19 on your own. All these said by Paul did not make other apostles see Paul as a person not ready for the TRUTH. You still have alot to learn brother.

Riofidelio: James 4:7,8 You must be working
zealously to distinguish between right and wrong(Hebrews 5:14) or else you'll condone all sought of ideologies just to become friends witheveryone.James 4:4

Achorladey: friendship and subjecting oneself to God is a personal call from God to all individual and is highly dependent on such individual to embrace that approach from God. The bible can continually guide and train our conscience to distinguish right from wrong.

Riofidelio:
YES! We JWs are also guilty of adhering to the teachings of our frontiers so you're glad to hear that but whatever we JWs are guilty of doing regarding worship,just accuse John the Baptist,Jesus and the Apostles of the same offence because they are the ones we're trying to imitate STRICTLY! And one more thing you're not noticing :Jesus won't accept all wind of teaching as OK but condemns any religious group that's not ready to prove itself from the Bible as the one and ONLY pure worship!

Riofidelio:
I think it's settled. You're not stable in doctrinal matters but we are,so if you believe we're wrong according to your own understanding of the scriptures why not come forward openly to confront US regarding what we're practicing PRESENTLY? And if it's about past present and future in our line of thought,learn a lesson from a Jew who is widely known with Judaism later became a follower or disciple of John the Baptist and finally joined the Christians. Would you say he's not stable at a time? Sincerely not! He's only progressing in the wisdom of God. Of course Apollo would neither agree with a Jew practicing Judaism nor one still preaching the baptism according to John unless the one following the teaching of the Apostles of Christ.Act 18:24-28 So if you're not progressing in wisdom, forget it you're not worshipping our own God take it or leave it!

Riofidelio:
Seeing things from another perspective is good but the truth can't be more than ONE so if you're still welcoming every contradicting doctrines and conflicting theories certainly you're not ready for the TRUTH! James 4:7,8 You must be working zealously to distinguish between right and wrong(Hebrews 5:14) or else you'll condone all sought of ideologies just to become friends with everyone.James 4:4

achorladey:


Riofidelio: I think it's settled.

Achorladey: what is settled?

Riofidelio:You're not stable in doctrinal matters but we are,

Achorladey: That is a lie according to February Watchtower study article. Fourth study article paragraph 12. Feel free to paste it here.

Riofidelio: so if you believe we're wrong according to your own understanding of the scriptures why not come forward openly to
confront US regarding what we're practicing
PRESENTLY?

Achorladey: It seems to you I look like person playing all this while with the conversation we've been having all along. I have been reasoning with you all this while. May be its time to go back and reflect on them one by one. The bible remain the standard book for checking right/wrong for reproving.

Riofidelio: And if it's about past present and future in our line of thought,learn a lesson from a Jew who is widely known with Judaism later became a follower or disciple of John the Baptist and finally joined the Christians. Would you say he's not stable at a time? Sincerely not! He's only progressing in the wisdom of God. Of course Apollo would neither agree with a Jew practicing
Judaism nor one still preaching the baptism
according to John unless the one following the teaching of the Apostles of Christ.Act 18:24-28 Soif you're not progressing in wisdom, forget it you're not worshipping our own God take it or leave it!

Achorladey: You have quickly forgotten that all they did in the religion of the Jews, what John the baptist preached is leading to one single truth captured in John 14:6. This single remains for all time even an organisation or any religious denomination cannot replace it.
We should all boast in the Lord! Take it or leave it

achorladey:


barrister007: 1. Am Glad you could not object that People should congregate together which calls for some level of organization.

Achorladey: "some level of organization" does not equate to setting up an organization and tagging it "Jehovah's organization" equating it to the channel through which salvation is gained or serving as mediator between lives of billions. John 14:6 says otherwise. John 4:24 defeats that purpose.

barrister007: 2. Am also Glad you could not object the fact that Christ appoint some to take the lead among this Congregated ones.

Achorladey: Agreed!!! Christ allowed some to take leadership role but never to serve as masters over their faith up to the extent of setting up an "organization" and telling adherents to have "faith in a victorious organization" John 3:16 John 14:6, John 4:24 is defeated.

For you to again agree some will take leadership role it also emphasized that an organized set up is in place over which they are to lead , Earlier you agree what is called organization must be in place to achieve what is written in Hebrews 10:24,25, So I don't think your problem is organization anymore but the question : is My Salvation dependent on How I obey this organization ?

Let the Bible answer you .

" Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you and be submissive, for THEY ARE KEEPING WATCH OVER YOU as those who will render an account , so that they may do this with Joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to you "

Keeping watch over you ,for what ? Reply and let's see if salvation depends on how well a person submit to this leaders .

How would they keep watch of someone that is ALONE and not among them like you are advocating ?

You better go back home to those who will keep watch over you for salvation .

Again, we saw that your stay at home idea is getting exposed as a dangerous lie .

barrister007: Which defeat your first assumption that becoming a part of a worldwide brotherhood isn't neccesary for salvation . WE now clearly see it does.

Achorladey: Please please please I don't assume "things" or statement I might have done that in the past on this same platform but not in my conversation with you so far.

Achorladey: "brotherhood" under question here, do you see CAC as your brother in Christ. Do you see the Catholic as your brother in christ, and many others. Brotherhood is a broad term yet Jesus will not pass judgement through brotherhood Romans 14:1,4,12 Acts 17:31. Galatians 6:5
My question for you barrister007 is will you base your salvation on an organization that err and admit to mistakes in organization direction. John 14:6, John 4:24 John3:16 2 Timothy 3:16,17 is there to ponder over once more.

barrister007: When you could not defend yourself, your shifted position to SAME MIND / DIFFERENT MIND .

Achorladey: I know what am trying to convey via this platform.

barrister007: This also expose your lack of bible knowledge,

Achorladey: Judgemental approach again, no one is a custodian of knowledge even the organisation you subscribe to, use the term "latest understanding" present understanding". They also lack knowledge.

barrister007: Because according to scriptures . True Christians are to be united in the same mind and line of thought
" Now I urge you, brother's, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought" - 1 Corinthians 1:10

Achorladey: Christians should be united in same mind and line of thought. Agreed!!!! My question..... do all Christians believe the following set of scriptures Matthew 22:37-39, John 14:6, James 1:26,27 John 3:16 2 Timothy 3:16,17 John 4:24. Matthew 24:14?
If yes is your answer, do you believe Christian then have same line of thought and mind despite some minor difference that should not divide us?

barrister007: Mr Different mind, Does this support you?

Achorladey: You have your answer already.

barrister007: alone as captured in fulfilling law of the christ.
How does this relate to having different mind in Worship ? o ma se o

Achorladey: You can't comprehend because fulfilling the law of the christ had been restricted to the Jws community alone. If you know how Matthew 5: 43-48 and Galatians 6:10 relates. You will have a rethink fast and sharp.

Barristter07:
Erin e n pami



" some level of organization does not equate to setting up an organization "

What kind of contradictory statement is this ? For any level of organization it means organization is been set up already .


shifting like shadows as usual, Your problem is no longer organization since you admit , For people to congregate together some level of what is called Organization is required. And the First century Christians congregate regularly which therefore means they are organized to achieve that . Good.



One question for you: Should First century Christians refer to the organization lead by the apostles as " The Way " ?

Are they now replacing Jesus as the way ? ( #B1)



For you to again agree some will take leadership role it also emphasized that an organized set up is in place over which they are to lead , Earlier you agree what is called organization must be in place to achieve what is written in Hebrews 10:24,25, So I don't think your problem is organization anymore but the question : is My Salvation dependent on How I obey this organization ?

Let the Bible answer you .

" Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you and be submissive, for THEY ARE KEEPING WATCH OVER YOU as those who will render an account , so that they may do this with Joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to you "

Keeping watch over you ,for what ? Reply and let's see if salvation depends on how well a person submit to this leaders .

How would they keep watch of someone that is ALONE and not among them like you are advocating ?

You better go back home to those who will keep watch over you for salvation .

Again, we saw that your stay at home idea is getting exposed as a dangerous lie .





" Finally brother's, continue ... to be readjusted " 2 Corinthians 13:11

Humility is a virtue .

Go back home to those who will keep watch over your soul . Stop threading the rebellious path , Hebrews 13:17



Stop exposing your lack of knowledge , the highlighted just proved you don't know what you are saying nor doing . swinging left and right


, but that you may be COMPLETELY united in the same mind - 1 Corinthians 1:10

When you know the meaning of completely, you will retract your words

Riofidelio:
Hmmmmmmmmm "We're stable in our doctrines" i didn't mean we aren't progressing but whenever we move anyone left behind is no more one of Jehovah's witnesses! So try to understand that fact and we're never going to reconcile with whoever is still behind it's either you catch up with the movement or you're no more one of US that's why we're totally different from all other religious groups as they'll move ahead yet still agreeing on sacred services with those they left behind! Please we don't call that Christianity. Therefore if you believe we're wrong please stop hiding because we're not pleased with anyone not straight forward in thought. And thanks for quoting "February Watchtower fourth study article even paragraph"! Evidently you're one of the disfellowshiped so farewell!

Hayaah, After disfellowship instead of repenting . they will be advocating stay at home , I cannot laugh abeg . When the bible keep emphasizing on believers congregating together and participating in the preaching work which calls for what is called "Organization - been organized " to succeed and not knowing they left those who will keep watch over their souls - Hebrews 13:17 . Don't mind them Sir . Thank for your message the other time #Greetings

Barristter07:


Hayaah, After disfellowship instead of repenting . they will be advocating stay at home , I cannot laugh abeg . When the bible keep emphasizing on believers congregating together and participating in the preaching work which calls for what is called "Organization - been organized " to succeed and not knowing they left those who will keep watch over their souls - Hebrews 13:17 . Don't mind them Sir . Thank for your message the other time #Greetings

Barristter07:


Hayaah, After disfellowship instead of repenting . they will be advocating stay at home , I cannot laugh abeg . When the bible keep emphasizing on believers congregating together and participating in the preaching work which calls for what is called "Organization - been organized " to succeed and not knowing they left those who will keep watch over their souls - Hebrews 13:17 . Don't mind them Sir . Thank for your message the other time #Greetings

Riofidelio:
Agape my brother! They are as deluded as their father(John 8:44) who decided to create thousands of religious settings just to mislead honesthearted ones but forgetting that a sincere and honesthearted person will keep demanding for the TRUTH regarding worship

Riofidelio:
Hmmmmmmmmm "We're stable in our doctrines" i didn't mean we aren't progressing but whenever we move anyone left behind is no more one of Jehovah's witnesses! So try to understand that fact and we're never going to reconcile with whoever is still behind it's either you catch up with the movement or you're no more one of US that's why we're totally different from all other religious groups as they'll move ahead yet still agreeing on sacred services with those they left behind! Please we don't call that Christianity. Therefore if you believe we're wrong please stop hiding because we're not pleased with anyone not straight forward in thought. And thanks for quoting "February Watchtower fourth study article even paragraph"! Evidently you're one of the disfellowshiped so farewell!

Riofidelio:
Evidently he is a disfellowshiped. Neither is he going to declare his intentions nor direction for those who are confused with the complications going on in Christendom. He is serving the purpose of the different religious groups in Israel back in the first century who can't stand on any doctrine as authentic but antagonizing Jesus for trying to set a standard for everyone to follow. He is not smart enough in hiding his identity and intentions, They're just out to disorganise anything called orderliness in sacred services, where do they belong? "Jesus" they'll say,OK who are those other honesthearted ones could associate with for continuity? That's when you'll know to whom they truly belong as they can't point to any specific group. But is it safe to associate with any religious group? They'll say NO!

Barristter07:
Erin e n pami



" some level of organization does not equate to setting up an organization "

What kind of contradictory statement is this ? For any level of organization it means organization is been set up already .


shifting like shadows as usual, Your problem is no longer organization since you admit , For people to congregate together some level of what is called Organization is required. And the First century Christians congregate regularly which therefore means they are organized to achieve that . Good.



One question for you: Should First century Christians refer to the organization lead by the apostles as " The Way " ?

Are they now replacing Jesus as the way ? ( #B1)



For you to again agree some will take leadership role it also emphasized that an organized set up is in place over which they are to lead , Earlier you agree what is called organization must be in place to achieve what is written in Hebrews 10:24,25, So I don't think your problem is organization anymore but the question : is My Salvation dependent on How I obey this organization ?

Let the Bible answer you .

" Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you and be submissive, for THEY ARE KEEPING WATCH OVER YOU as those who will render an account , so that they may do this with Joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to you "

Keeping watch over you ,for what ? Reply and let's see if salvation depends on how well a person submit to this leaders .

How would they keep watch of someone that is ALONE and not among them like you are advocating ?

You better go back home to those who will keep watch over you for salvation .

Again, we saw that your stay at home idea is getting exposed as a dangerous lie .





" Finally brother's, continue ... to be readjusted " 2 Corinthians 13:11

Humility is a virtue .

Go back home to those who will keep watch over your soul . Stop threading the rebellious path , Hebrews 13:17



Stop exposing your lack of knowledge , the highlighted just proved you don't know what you are saying nor doing . swinging left and right


, but that you may be COMPLETELY united in the same mind - 1 Corinthians 1:10

When you know the meaning of completely, you will retract your words

Riofidelio:
Evidently he is a disfellowshiped. Neither is he going to declare his intentions nor direction for those who are confused with the complications going on in Christendom. He is serving the purpose of the different religious groups in Israel back in the first century who can't stand on any doctrine as authentic but antagonizing Jesus for trying to set a standard for everyone to follow. He is not smart enough in hiding his identity and intentions, They're just out to disorganise anything called orderliness in sacred services, where do they belong? "Jesus" they'll say,OK who are those other honesthearted ones could associate with for continuity? That's when you'll know to whom they truly belong as they can't point to any specific group. But is it safe to associate with any religious group? They'll say NO!

Barristter07:


Hayaah, After disfellowship instead of repenting . they will be advocating stay at home , I cannot laugh abeg . When the bible keep emphasizing on believers congregating together and participating in the preaching work which calls for what is called "Organization - been organized " to succeed and not knowing they left those who will keep watch over their souls - Hebrews 13:17 . Don't mind them Sir . Thank for your message the other time #Greetings

Riofidelio:
Agape my brother! They are as deluded as their father(John 8:44) who decided to create thousands of religious settings just to mislead honesthearted ones but forgetting that a sincere and honesthearted person will keep demanding for the TRUTH regarding worship

Barristter07:
Erin e n pami



" some level of organization does not equate to setting up an organization "

What kind of contradictory statement is this ? For any level of organization it means organization is been set up already .


shifting like shadows as usual, Your problem is no longer organization since you admit , For people to congregate together some level of what is called Organization is required. And the First century Christians congregate regularly which therefore means they are organized to achieve that . Good.



One question for you: Should First century Christians refer to the organization lead by the apostles as " The Way " ?

Are they now replacing Jesus as the way ? ( #B1)



For you to again agree some will take leadership role it also emphasized that an organized set up is in place over which they are to lead , Earlier you agree what is called organization must be in place to achieve what is written in Hebrews 10:24,25, So I don't think your problem is organization anymore but the question : is My Salvation dependent on How I obey this organization ?

Let the Bible answer you .

" Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you and be submissive, for THEY ARE KEEPING WATCH OVER YOU as those who will render an account , so that they may do this with Joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to you "

Keeping watch over you ,for what ? Reply and let's see if salvation depends on how well a person submit to this leaders .

How would they keep watch of someone that is ALONE and not among them like you are advocating ?

You better go back home to those who will keep watch over you for salvation .

Again, we saw that your stay at home idea is getting exposed as a dangerous lie .





" Finally brother's, continue ... to be readjusted " 2 Corinthians 13:11

Humility is a virtue .

Go back home to those who will keep watch over your soul . Stop threading the rebellious path , Hebrews 13:17



Stop exposing your lack of knowledge , the highlighted just proved you don't know what you are saying nor doing . swinging left and right


, but that you may be COMPLETELY united in the same mind - 1 Corinthians 1:10

When you know the meaning of completely, you will retract your words

Riofidelio:
Hmmmmmmmmm "We're stable in our doctrines" i didn't mean we aren't progressing but whenever we move anyone left behind is no more one of Jehovah's witnesses! So try to understand that fact and we're never going to reconcile with whoever is still behind it's either you catch up with the movement or you're no more one of US that's why we're totally different from all other religious groups as they'll move ahead yet still agreeing on sacred services with those they left behind! Please we don't call that Christianity. Therefore if you believe we're wrong please stop hiding because we're not pleased with anyone not straight forward in thought. And thanks for quoting "February Watchtower fourth study article even paragraph"! Evidently you're one of the disfellowshiped so farewell!

achorladey:


the good shepherd is not after the strong sheep, he is interested more in the weak,tired and even the lost ones. My friend you really have alot to catch up on.


Adios!!!!!!

joff2:
I heard Jehovah's Witness do not believe in Hell?

I feel they have ignored a huge part of the Bible, they claim to believe in!

Akinboyepelz:
Hi, Akinpelumi Akinboye is my name, I am not a Jehovah Witness but a Child of God.

My comments below are gathered from my experience, study and observations. I stand to be corrected if I am wrong in any way.

Good morning.


The Jehovah’s Witnesses are classified as a sect of Christianity due to the the fact they follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, they offer their prayers in Jesus’ name and they believe Jesus Christ is the key to salvation.

The difference between the rest of Christianity and the Jehovah’s Witnesses are that of their beliefs (Besides the belief that Jesus Christ is our saviour, we must follow his teachings and Jesus is the key to salvation, etc) for example, most Christians believe that Jesus died on a cross and they use the cross in worship, but Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jesus was crucified on a stake and that use of the cross in worship is displeasing to God.

Another difference between Jehovah’s Witnesses and the rest of Christianity (Although certain groups also do not use the Trinity in worship) is that the Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe in the Trinity (The belief of one God in three persons: The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit), as they believe that the Holy Spirit is not a person, it is “God’s active force.” and that Jesus is not of the same substance as God.

An obvious difference is also that they use what they believe to be God’s personal name (Jehovah, Hebrew spelling: Yahweh) in worship while many other sects will use “Father”,“God” or “Lord”, due to the fact they believe that the Bible invites people to use God’s personal name during worship (Genesis 17:1, Acts 4:24). They also believe that knowing God’s name allows us to get to know Him.

Another uncommon principle of the Jehovah’s Witnesses are their views on voting, as they remain politically neutral since Jesus Christ encouraged his followers to remain politically neutral and not to take political office, because “religions that meddle in politics divide their members” (FAQ: Why do Jehovah’s Witnesses Maintain Political Neutrality?).

Last but not least, the Witnesses also believe in evangelizing- spreading what they believe to be the word of God to everyone. This isn’t a belief that’s too different, though, as Mormons are also an evangelical movement.

Essentially, the Witnesses are a very different sect from the rest of Christianity, but their beliefs should nevertheless be respected as one would respect any other religion’s beliefs.


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asuustrike2009:

Do they respect other beliefs among the Christian sect?

Riofidelio:
There is no other religious group that has deep respect for local and popular traditions in their neighborhood like Jehovah's witnesses! We respect each person's belief but there is a difference between RESPECTFULNESS and CONFORMITY. While we respect everyone's religious beliefs we're not under obligation to conform to their beliefs. Respect is reciprocal, Jesus respects the tradition of the Jews but He didn't conform to it and He also taught His followers not to uphold men's traditions above God's word.(Matthew 23:3) So if anyone is interested in knowing the exact teachings of Christ, we're ever ready to discuss with such ones(reasoning from the scriptures) but we'll never conform to a popular local custom or tradition out of intimidation!

Riofidelio:
There is no other religious group that has deep respect for local and popular traditions in their neighborhood like Jehovah's witnesses! We respect each person's belief but there is a difference between RESPECTFULNESS and CONFORMITY. While we respect everyone's religious beliefs we're not under obligation to conform to their beliefs. Respect is reciprocal, Jesus respects the tradition of the Jews but He didn't conform to it and He also taught His followers not to uphold men's traditions above God's word.(Matthew 23:3) So if anyone is interested in knowing the exact teachings of Christ, we're ever ready to discuss with such ones(reasoning from the scriptures) but we'll never conform to a popular local custom or tradition out of intimidation!

asuustrike2009:

They don't bro. They see other Christian sect as inferior

Riofidelio:
Please my friend, I don't understand what you meant by RESPECT. Is it to acknowledge that someone has his/her own religion and permit him/her to practice it without any form of abuse either verbal or otherwise? Or is it to conform to every religious ideologies that comes your way by PARTICIPATING during their worship as in prayer and songs? Because i thought RESPECT is like saying an Ibo man living in Lagos amongst Yorubas will walk away gently to his business during their masquerade festivals and respect them when their tradition demands a curfew. Or are you saying he should join the masqueraders during their festivities to show Respect? I don't think anybody has the audacity to infringe on his right if he chooses not to participate,neither is he respecting them if he speaks against them during the festival or tries to dishonor their tradition by breaking their curfew. It would rather be appropriate if he speaks with his neighbor(maybe one of them)later about it perhaps to reason and know the significance of such customs.

OneJ:

My Bro, no mind their deceit & follow follow mentality. Blind guides leading blind guides.

Hairyrapunzel:


That's the way your governing body leads you guys. Blind guides leading bling follower. Today error is false tomorrow this error that is false will become true.