achorladey:

They are keeping watch over there salvation Abi?.........Hahahahaha

Jessicha:


Pathetic

Summon the courage to reply now

Jessicha:


Wow, In fact this is so good coming from you . this perfectly expose your lack of knowledge .

No enlightenment for you o, just remain like that .



A false brother is an apostle hmm

As in

Just remain like that



Eeyah

achorladey:


I will again and again.......are they keeping watch over there salvation?

Jessicha:


Really ?

" Nevertheless, not even Titus, who was with me , was compelled to be CIRCUMCISED, although he was a Greek. But that matter came up because of the false brothers brought in quietly, who slipped in to spy on the freedom we enjoy in union with Christ Jesus, so that they might completely enslave us " Says Galatians 2:3,4

So why is Paul calling teachers of circumcision False brothers? Its a minor difference why can't he just let them be without calling them False brothers ?

Barrister07 was right after all.



To MAINTAIN shows 100% conformity, they are to strive to Maintain that already existing oneness

Jessicha:

See what u are reduced to. Simple question you can't answer

Jessicha:


Wow, In fact this is so good coming from you . this perfectly expose your lack of knowledge .

No enlightenment for you o, just remain like that .



A false brother is an apostle hmm

As in

Just remain like that



Eeyah

achorladey:


barrister007: Ignorance of the scriptures, Elders don't snatch the sheep, they are appointed by Jesus to Keep watch over the sheep,

Achorladey: Judgemental approach as usual. Its part of you. The sheep does not belong to the elders from the start. The sheep were never baptised in the name of the elders. The fine Shepherd has promised to be with all of his sheep including those taking the lead among the sheep(because a sheep leading another sheep those not necessary make that sheep a shepherd its just another sheep) until the conclusion of system of things.

barrister007: The question a sane person needs ask is for what purpose are they keeping watch? That would let you realize how adhering to this arrangement is TIED to your salvation. - Hebrews 13:17

Achorladey: The question a saner person need to ask is, where in Hebrews 13:17 restrict those taking the lead among you to be "elders"? And how does those taking the lead and keeping watch over their fellow brother and sister made them mediators between Jesus and God? 1 Peter 2:25.

The account the in Romans 14:12 Galatians 6:5 comes to mind. You only need to read and reflect.

for what purpose are they keeping watch?

barrister007: Kindly Gist me regarding where and how you follow the Bibles instruction in Hebrews 10:24,25 today?

Achorladey: Matthew 18:20 is the words of our leader(Jesus Christ). Explain exhaustively how well you understand it brother!!!!! Opo ko ni eyin to ba je gaga meji pere. Ni iwon igba ti meji yen ba ti le je eran ki ni iwulo yoku.
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Jessicha:

See what u are reduced to. Simple question you can't answer

achorladey:


I will again and again.......are they keeping watch over their salvation? The apostles were never master over anyone's faith not to talk of their salvation. I will again and again .........are they keeping watch over their salvation?

Barristter07:


How would he answer ? , his fellow rebellious people are his associates ,many of whom are now atheists, agnostics and stay at home crew. You will never see them in any intelligent discussion but once they see a JW thread they will start regurgitating all the poisons they have swallowed from their online associates many of whom have lost faith in the Bible itself . like you said a sorry case .

achorladey:


Peter was definitely among those "false brothers" Galatians 2:11-14 but does that made him lose his fact of being a Christian and an apostle? Minor difference is of no value to that great undeserved kindness.

Jumped "earnestly endeavoring" into "maintain".

What!!! already "oneness" when they are still dragging circumcision issue.

Barristter07:


Question tagged #P8

For what purpose are they keeping watch over the souls of those they are shepherding?

Barristter07:


Here is your statement in capital letters


' SUCH MINOR DIFFERENCE IS NOT ENOUGH TO RENDER GOD'S UNDESERVED KINDNESS INVALID OR MAKE US DISTINGUISH TRUE CHRISTIAN OR FALSE CHRISTIAN. '

* Going by the bold, why then did Paul refer teachers of circumcision as False brother's? #p9

Saybal:
Leave these people alone you are always attacking them what are you fighting for I hope you know that u cannot help God go and form your own movement if you like I Learn u are an ex member. go and preach like the Jw t least we discusses meaniful thing for an hour every Saturday they are harmless not the way u are portraying them I have not gain anything from ur comment my personal observation


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achorladey:

Jessicha: Wow, In fact this is so good coming from you . this perfectly expose your lack of knowledge.

Achorladey: Galatians 2:11-14 Peter classed himself and was pretending on the same issue he himself said God is not separating based on circumcision or no circumcision Acts 15:9-11. Go back and read!!! Someone(Peter) said something previously (spiritually inspired) about this same (circumcision/uncircumcision) and the same person (Peter) is acting out the opposite of what he said initially. What name qualify such person?
You(Jessicha) brought Galatians 2:3,4 as evidence and the "False brother" tag. I give you perfect example!

Jessicha: No enlightenment for you o, just remain like that .

Achorladey: The scriptures gives enlightenment 2 Timothy 3:16,17 nothing else!!!!!

Jessicha: is of no value to that great undeserved kindness.
A false brother is an apostle hmm. As in Just remain like that Eeyah.

Achorladey: 2 Peter 3:16-18 Peter was emphatic about it after all. That you dont comprehend all what Paul said in his letter is not enough to twist it to your destruction. Na Peter talk am no be me talk am. Yet Peter stressed the undeserved kindness of God when closing his letter that the undeserved kindness of God is too much and too great to make minor differences cause division among Christians. To distort the basic of all truth in John 14:6. That is the same issue Paul was trying to correct in Peter's pretense!!!! Madam Galatians 2:3,4.

Achorladey: 1 John 5:12 The one who has the son has life; the one who does not have the son of God does not have this life. I choose to remain like this.

Jessicha:


Really? this guy is totally lost.

[Peter] went withdrawing... In fear of those of the circumcised class Galatians 2;12

The bolded people are the false brothers, Peter wasn't included among them neither did he belong to them, he just gave in to fear of them. Comprehend

But why should Paul call them False Christians if suvh differences is not enough to distinguish false from true Christians ?



That bold statement applies to you, you didn't comprehend to have labeled Peter a false brother



Not by disregarding the pattern set by the early Christians and apostles . they are a united worldwide brotherhood not some scattered individual .

Jessicha:


Really? this guy is totally lost.

[Peter] went withdrawing... In fear of those of the circumcised class Galatians 2;12

The bolded people are the false brothers, Peter wasn't included among them neither did he belong to them, he just gave in to fear of them. Comprehend

But why should Paul call them False Christians if suvh differences is not enough to distinguish false from true Christians ?



That bold statement applies to you, you didn't comprehend to have labeled Peter a false brother



Not by disregarding the pattern set by the early Christians and apostles . they are a united worldwide brotherhood not some scattered individual .

Barristter07:


Here is your statement in capital letters


' SUCH MINOR DIFFERENCE IS NOT ENOUGH TO RENDER GOD'S UNDESERVED KINDNESS INVALID OR MAKE US DISTINGUISH TRUE CHRISTIAN OR FALSE CHRISTIAN. '

* Going by the bold, why then did Paul refer teachers of circumcision as False brother's? #p9

Barristter07:


Question tagged #P8

For what purpose are they keeping watch over the souls of those they are shepherding?

Barristter07:

Who ask for all this o ma se o

Rebellious attitude, either you like it or not . appointment of Elders is a scriptural arrangement

' holy spirit has appointed you overseers to sherperd the congregation of God '


for what purpose are they keeping watch?





This bring us back to question tagged P7 which u avoided the other time.

Scripturally, are the various congregations or gatherings independent or All organized under the leading of the apostles and older men ?

achorladey:


Go and ask Jessicha about that. I was following her line of reasoning to lead her to the destination she want.

Rather than admit your earlier statement in capital letters has been proved false, you are here exposing to the world you don't have the knowledge of what you are talking about.

Contrary to what you state above, If you have forgotten how your discussion with Jessica got there, I will highlight again.

- Jessica quotes one of your comments where she highlight the fact that differences in scriptural understanding are not allowed by citing the case of circumcision, in which to promote unity , an agreement was reached which everyone must comply with in Act 15.

- during the course of your replying her message, you make this statement promoting disunity saying


' SUCH MINOR DIFFERENCE IS NOT ENOUGH TO RENDER GOD'S UNDESERVED KINDNESS INVALID OR MAKE US DISTINGUISH TRUE CHRISTIAN OR FALSE CHRISTIAN. '

- To which Jessica replied that the bold is very wrong for the fact that those who insist on circumcision are referred to as False brothers in Galatians 2:3,4 . a false brother is a false Christian . Fact

- shocked by that response , you try to crawl out of the cage you have put yourself with your earlier comment by tagging Peter member of these false brothers known as circumcision group. so much for lack for of knowledge .

- to which she gave another classical response that Peter was wrong giving in to fear , but he was never one of this False brothers .

The text says, note the underlined



" For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself, for fear of those in the circumcision group. "



Gladly, Peter was never included among the circumcision group like acholardey did .

Which still shows that Those in this circumcision group are seen as False Christians as seen in Galatians 2:3,4. Something Reverend achorladey said can never happen, and the lie was exposed .

My own stance remain that, such minor "fear" or "difference" that happened in that account is not enough to tag Peter a "False Christian" or "False brother". My stance remain!!!!!!

Peter bawo ? Carefully worded . again, Peter was never one of those in the circumcision group of false Christians.

[i] Is it enough to tag those in the circumcision group as False brothers ?

achorladey:


Go and ask Jessicha about that. I was following her line of reasoning to lead her to the destination she want.

Rather than admit your earlier statement in capital letters has been proved false, you are here exposing to the world you don't have the knowledge of what you are talking about.

Contrary to what you state above, If you have forgotten how your discussion with Jessica got there, I will highlight again.

- Jessica quotes one of your comments where she highlight the fact that differences in scriptural understanding are not allowed by citing the case of circumcision, in which to promote unity , an agreement was reached which everyone must comply with in Act 15.

- during the course of your replying her message, you make this statement promoting disunity saying


' SUCH MINOR DIFFERENCE IS NOT ENOUGH TO RENDER GOD'S UNDESERVED KINDNESS INVALID OR MAKE US DISTINGUISH TRUE CHRISTIAN OR FALSE CHRISTIAN. '

- To which Jessica replied that the bold is very wrong for the fact that those who insist on circumcision are referred to as False brothers in Galatians 2:3,4 . a false brother is a false Christian . Fact

- shocked by that response , you try to crawl out of the cage you have put yourself with your earlier comment by tagging Peter member of these false brothers known as circumcision group. so much for lack for of knowledge .

- to which she gave another classical response that Peter was wrong giving in to fear , but he was never one of this False brothers .

The text says, note the underlined



" For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself, for fear of those in the circumcision group. "



Gladly, Peter was never included among the circumcision group like acholardey did .

Which still shows that Those in this circumcision group are seen as False Christians as seen in Galatians 2:3,4. Something Ogbeni achorladey said can never happen, and the lie was exposed .

My own stance remain that, such minor "fear" or "difference" that happened in that account is not enough to tag Peter a "False Christian" or "False brother". My stance remain!!!!!!

Is it enough to tag those in the circumcision group as False brothers ?

achorladey:


If you are willing to say it am willing to hear you out.

There are numerous things to shepherd the sheep over.

Barristter07:


Rather than admit your earlier statement in capital letters has been proved false, you are here exposing to the world you don't have the knowledge of what you are talking about.

Contrary to what you state above, If you have forgotten how your discussion with Jessica got there, I will highlight again.

- Jessica quotes one of your comments where she highlight the fact that differences in scriptural understanding are not allowed by citing the case of circumcision, in which to promote unity , an agreement was reached which everyone must comply with in Act 15.

- during the course of your replying her message, you make this statement promoting disunity saying


' SUCH MINOR DIFFERENCE IS NOT ENOUGH TO RENDER GOD'S UNDESERVED KINDNESS INVALID OR MAKE US DISTINGUISH TRUE CHRISTIAN OR FALSE CHRISTIAN. '

- To which Jessica replied that the bold is very wrong for the fact that those who insist on circumcision are referred to as False brothers in Galatians 2:3,4 . a false brother is a false Christian . Fact

- shocked by that response , you try to crawl out of the cage you have put yourself with your earlier comment by tagging Peter member of these false brothers known as circumcision group. so much for lack for of knowledge .

- to which she gave another classical response that Peter was wrong giving in to fear , but he was never one of this False brothers .

The text says, note the underlined



" For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself, for fear of those in the circumcision group. "



Gladly, Peter was never included among the circumcision group like acholardey did .

Which still shows that Those in this circumcision group are seen as False Christians as seen in Galatians 2:3,4. Something Ogbeni achorladey said can never happen, and the lie was exposed .




Peter bawo ? Carefully worded . again, Peter was never one of those in the circumcision group of false Christians.

Is it enough to tag those in the circumcision group as False brothers ?

achorladey:


barrister07: Who ask for all this o ma se o

Achorladey: There is nothing bad in making defense of what one believes. When Paul was making defense of his belief before Agrippa. He went at length discussing with Agrippa. Leave judgemental approach alone.

barrister07: Rebellious attitude, either you like it or not appointment of Elders is a scriptural arrangement. holy spirit has appointed you overseers to shepherd the congregation of God '

Achorladey: Christian elders have scriptural backing. True!!!!

barrister07: for what purpose are they keeping watch?

Achorladey: Tell me, I believe you know that. I will help you though 1 Peter 5:1-4

barrister07: This bring us back to question tagged P7 which u avoided the other time. Scripturally, are the various congregations or gatherings independent or all organized under the leading of the apostles and older men?

Achorladey: Set the agenda scripturally on this let see how far we can about it scripturally.

Barristter07:



So I hope you now have Elders in your new gathering ?





its the Qualities of a sherperd that are listed there , the question still remains: for what purpose are they overseers ? Or in other words why did Jesus appoint them to keep watch/ overseer over the sheep? Any Link to helping this sheep as they work out their salvation ?



- If they are independent, should there be any need to send people to Jerusalem ? Why can't each person do as they feel is right ?

Reference to Act 15, the agreement reached was sent to the congregations to be complied with . which shows those gathering recognized they are not independent but under the leading of those taking the lead in Jerusalem.

Barristter07:



So I hope you now have Elders in your new gathering ?





its the Qualities of a sherperd that are listed there , the question still remains: for what purpose are they overseers ? Or in other words why did Jesus appoint them to keep watch/ overseer over the sheep? Any Link to helping this sheep as they work out their salvation ?



- If they are independent, should there be any need to send people to Jerusalem ? Why can't each person do as they feel is right ?

Reference to Act 15, the agreement reached was sent to the congregations to be complied with . which shows those gathering recognized they are not independent but under the leading of those taking the lead in Jerusalem.

Barristter07:



So I hope you now have Elders in your new gathering ?





its the Qualities of a sherperd that are listed there , the question still remains: for what purpose are they overseers ? Or in other words why did Jesus appoint them to keep watch/ overseer over the sheep? Any Link to helping this sheep as they work out their salvation ?



- If they are independent, should there be any need to send people to Jerusalem ? Why can't each person do as they feel is right ?

Reference to Act 15, the agreement reached was sent to the congregations to be complied with . which shows those gathering recognized they are not independent but under the leading of those taking the lead in Jerusalem.

Barristter07:


you will answer it .

When someone keep watch on something , for what purpose ?

Now
When those taking the lead keep watch, for what purpose ?

Can someone not among the fold be kept watch over ?



Like ?

Barristter07:


Rather than admit your earlier statement in capital letters has been proved false, you are here exposing to the world you don't have the knowledge of what you are talking about.

Contrary to what you state above, If you have forgotten how your discussion with Jessica got there, I will highlight again.

- Jessica quotes one of your comments where she highlight the fact that differences in scriptural understanding are not allowed by citing the case of circumcision, in which to promote unity , an agreement was reached which everyone must comply with in Act 15.

- during the course of your replying her message, you make this statement promoting disunity saying


' SUCH MINOR DIFFERENCE IS NOT ENOUGH TO RENDER GOD'S UNDESERVED KINDNESS INVALID OR MAKE US DISTINGUISH TRUE CHRISTIAN OR FALSE CHRISTIAN. '

- To which Jessica replied that the bold is very wrong for the fact that those who insist on circumcision are referred to as False brothers in Galatians 2:3,4 . a false brother is a false Christian . Fact

- shocked by that response , you try to crawl out of the cage you have put yourself with your earlier comment by tagging Peter member of these false brothers known as circumcision group. so much for lack for of knowledge .

- to which she gave another classical response that Peter was wrong giving in to fear , but he was never one of this False brothers .

The text says, note the underlined



" For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself, for fear of those in the circumcision group. "



Gladly, Peter was never included among the circumcision group like acholardey did .

Which still shows that Those in this circumcision group are seen as False Christians as seen in Galatians 2:3,4. Something Ogbeni achorladey said can never happen, and the lie was exposed .




Peter bawo ? Carefully worded . again, Peter was never one of those in the circumcision group of false Christians.

Is it enough to tag those in the circumcision group as False brothers ?