0balufonlll:


Looool OK. Nor vex.

I look forward to seeing you publish a paper on all of this & the reaction that follows.

All the best, baba.

Appreciate from depth of my heart. It is an experience exchanging information with you even if we disagree.

Cheers.

0balufonlll:



Actually, readers can only draw conclusions when a writer leaves a work open ended after presenting several evidences.

Leo Frobenius in his work concluded that Yoruba culture was in a class of its own. He said it had nothing in common with other religions/cultures with Semitic influence/origin.

Why make a conclusion when an author already made his own conclusion? I don’t understand?

The point here is Frobenius’ work is being used wrongly. The man’s argument is Pro-Greek/Europe & anti-Arab/Semitic origin for Yoruba.

Frobenius built a case for Yoruba as follows:

1 - He mentioned ancient Yoruba wore Togas.

2 - He mentioned Yoruba had a developed idea of the universe.

3 - He mentioned Yoruba had a high knowledge of Temple

4 - He mentioned beside the Greeks and Meditteraneans he had not seen anywhere else what he saw in the Yorubas.

5 - He mentioned the Yorubas were alike with Northern Africa and Meditteranean but different from everyone else in the desert or on the Atlantic and the forest.

5 - He believed the commonality found between Yoruba and North Africa in all aspects of their civilization was significant to be considered one and same.

6 - He believed there was a link, either on the Atlantic or across the desert that would prove him correct.

7 - He agreed he could not find a link in neighbouring peoples that will reveal the chain of influence between the highly developed and civilized Yoruba and the Meditteranean or North African.

8 - He concluded by saying there was no trans-continental connection between the two societies and Yoruba was an independent civilization.


What does these mean?

It means

1. Yoruba is different from all the peoples indigenous in the West African belt.

2 - Yoruba does not share belief system, philosophy, worship and divinity as well as industry with indigenous people in its region.

3 - Yoruba is ahead and advanced than even people in the West Sudan that were influenced by semitic and Abrahamic beliefs.

4 - Yoruba and Northern and Meditteranean societies mirror one another in industry and civilization.

5 - There are no people inbetween Yoruba and Meditteranean that exhibit these findings.


Obviously, there is no donor-receptor links between Yoruba and Meditteranean cultures. This is perfect to support the knowledge that Yoruba was an "uproot", rather than a transmission of influences brought in via contacts in trade routes across desert and sea.


Absence of transcontinental connection means no traces exist amongst the middle points between the two civilizations. That is correct and we have always maintained that our culture and language was not donated to us from North or influenced by Islam as many have opined.

According to Frobenius, Yoruba is ahead of even civilizations in West Sudan that were influenced through semitic and Abrahamic belief systems. Those lesser civilizations have trans-continental links with caravans coming from Meditteranean across desert. Yoruba does not have such links but is still ahead, as it is also completely different from other cultures in the forest, the Atlantic and the desert. It is Unique! It is Independent!


Uproot means a pack-up at point A, a settlement at point B.

A family uproots from A and settles in B. The posessions brought with them on the trip remains in posession at B, not lost. So if the posession was a manufactured product, so to speak, we will find copies in the home country in A where it originated. The copy in B is held by the family only, no one else have it, except back at origin in A.


Frobenius was clear in making the case and was articulate in his summation that no trans-continental link exist that would explain a donor/receptor relationship. We cannot agree more! All elements of Afroasia origin in Yoruba happened via uproot (migrant), and not through Islam or Hausa or any other culture.

Olu317:
Appreciate from depth of my heart. It is an experience exchanging information with you even if we disagree.

Cheers.

I respect this baje baje, O***e ngbor.

I hope we, & everyone as Yoruba can disagree within the bounds of respect & love.

Gborogbo l’owo nyo j’ori; gedegbe l’ope nyo ju ogomo, temi yo, temi yo ni ako nke - Mr. Olu, e ma se aseyori with this research. And all of us in & out of academia will be alive & well critique in support & against.

0balufonlll:


I respect this baje baje, O***e ngbor.

I hope we, & everyone as Yoruba can disagree within the bounds of respect & love.

Gborogbo l’owo nyo j’ori; gedegbe l’ope nyo ju ogomo, temi yo, temi yo ni ako nke - Mr. Olu, e ma se aseyori with this research. And all of us in & out of academia will be alive & well critique in support & against.

Ase!

I second that!

MetaPhysical:



Frobenius built a case for Yoruba as follows:

1 - He mentioned ancient Yoruba wore Togas.

2 - He mentioned Yoruba had a developed idea of the universe.

3 - He mentioned Yoruba had a high knowledge of Temple

4 - He mentioned beside the Greeks and Meditteraneans he had not seen anywhere else what he saw in the Yorubas.

5 - He mentioned the Yorubas were alike with Northern Africa and Meditteranean but different from everyone else in the desert or on the Atlantic and the forest.

5 - He believed the commonality found between Yoruba and North Africa in all aspects of their civilization was significant to be considered one and same.

6 - He believed there was a link, either on the Atlantic or across the desert that would prove him correct.

7 - He agreed he could not find a link in neighbouring peoples that will reveal the chain of influence between the highly developed and civilized Yoruba and the Meditteranean or North African.

8 - He concluded by saying there was no trans-continental connection between the two societies and Yoruba was an independent civilization.


What does these mean?

It means

1. Yoruba is different from all the peoples indigenous in the West African belt.

2 - Yoruba does not share belief system, philosophy, worship and divinity as well as industry with indigenous people in its region.

3 - Yoruba is ahead and advanced than even people in the West Sudan that were influenced by semitic and Abrahamic beliefs.

4 - Yoruba and Northern and Meditteranean societies mirror one another in industry and civilization.

5 - There are no people inbetween Yoruba and Meditteranean that exhibit these findings.


Obviously, there is no donor-receptor links between Yoruba and Meditteranean cultures. This is perfect to support the knowledge that Yoruba was an "uproot", rather than a transmission of influences brought in via contacts in trade routes across desert and sea.


Absence of transcontinental connection means no traces exist amongst the middle points between the two civilizations. That is correct and we have always maintained that our culture and language was not donated to us from North or influenced by Islam as many have opined.

According to Frobenius, Yoruba is ahead of even civilizations in West Sudan that were influenced through semitic and Abrahamic belief systems. Those lesser civilizations have trans-continental links with caravans coming from Meditteranean across desert. Yoruba does not have such links but is still ahead, as it is also completely different from other cultures in the forest, the Atlantic and the desert. It is Unique! It is Independent!


Uproot means a pack-up at point A, a settlement at point B.

A family uproots from A and settles in B. The posessions brought with them on the trip remains in posession at B, not lost. So if the posession was a manufactured product, so to speak, we will find copies in the home country in A where it originated. The copy in B is held by the family only, no one else have it, except back at origin in A.


Frobenius was clear in making the case and was articulate in his summation that no trans-continental link exist that would explain a donor/receptor relationship. We cannot agree more! All elements of Afroasia origin in Yoruba happened via uproot (migrant), and not through Islam or Hausa or any other culture.

Egbon mi, Frobenius built a case for European superiority to Africa; his case was against Africa/Yoruba. Why you’re bending Frobenius’ perverted approach that was quite racist to suit your angle is quite interesting.

Frobenius mentioned Yoruba was above North Africa and any other culture/religion under semitic culture. In essence, Yoruba had no similarity with North Africa or Middle East.

Why is your post putting words in Frobebius’ mouth, baba? He stated his piece; Yoruba culture is Greek, Greek is Yoruba cukture. O tan.

0balufonlll:


Egbon mi, Frobenius built a case for European superiority to Africa; his case was against Africa/Yoruba. Why you’re bending Frobenius’ perverted approach that was quite racist to suit your angle is quite interesting.

Frobenius mentioned Yoruba was above North Africa and any other culture/religion under semitic culture. In essence, Yoruba had no similarity with North Africa or Middle East.

Why is your post putting words in Frobebius’ mouth, baba? He stated his piece; Yoruba culture is Greek, Greek is Yoruba cukture. O tan.

Ok. So in the age when the ancestors migrated there would not have been anything called North Africa or Middle East. Similarly that what we know today as Nigeria, Benin, Togo, and so on were not there just two hundred years ago. Let us imagine an ancient world called Egypt, Kush, Canaan, Babylon, Assyria, Mesopotamia...and so on. There was nothing called Sudan or West Africa.

In that age, what did they call the part of the world later known as Sudan?

0balufonlll:


Egbon mi, Frobenius built a case for European superiority to Africa; his case was against Africa/Yoruba. Why you’re bending Frobenius’ perverted approach that was quite racist to suit your angle is quite interesting.

Frobenius mentioned Yoruba was above North Africa and any other culture/religion under semitic culture. In essence, Yoruba had no similarity with North Africa or Middle East.

Why is your post putting words in Frobebius’ mouth, baba? He stated his piece; Yoruba culture is Greek, Greek is Yoruba cukture. O tan.

Greek was at one point a province under the Pheonicians (Canaanites) . The Etruscans were exports from the Phoenician culture. These were the original Olokuns!

Yoruba civilization has absolutely nothing to do with Arabic or Hebrew origins. It is a pure and indigenous African culture

baby124:
Yoruba civilization has absolutely nothing to do with Arabic or Hebrew origins. It is a pure and indigenous African culture

I beg to differ, no culture is indigenous. Everything that makes up a unique culture were borrowed at one time or the other.

TonySpike:


I beg to differ, no culture is indigenous. Everything that makes up a unique culture were borrowed at one time or the other.

Borrowed from where? Christian and Islamic religions? Because you do know that this is the motive of this thread? The culture itself is purely African.

baby124:

Borrowed from where? Christian and Islamic religions? Because you do know that this is the motive of this thread? The culture itself is purely African.

Culture is formed by mixture of ideas and rituals, influenced by external interactions and migrations, over a period of time. No culture is indigenous...

TonySpike:


Culture is formed by mixture of ideas and rituals, influenced by external interactions and migrations, over a period of time. No culture is indigenous...

Yoruba culture is an indegenous African culture. Your opinion is no way fact. Where is your proof on influence of other cultures on ancient Yoruba culture? Instead most cultures around who have similarities to Yoruba culture agree to have sprung from that culture. I am not here to entertain or educate you today. I have said my piece. Ciao!

baby124:

Yoruba culture is an indegenous African culture. Your opinion is no way fact. Where is your proof on influence of other cultures on ancient Yoruba culture? Instead most cultures around who have similarities to Yoruba culture agree to have sprung from that culture. I am not here to entertain or educate you today. I have said my piece. Ciao!

At the bolded, you have just justified my statement(s) and shot yourself on the foot. I have no further arguments for you.

0balufonlll:


I respect this baje baje, O***e ngbor.

I hope we, & everyone as Yoruba can disagree within the bounds of respect & love.

Gborogbo l’owo nyo j’ori; gedegbe l’ope nyo ju ogomo, temi yo, temi yo ni ako nke - Mr. Olu, e ma se aseyori with this research. And all of us in & out of academia will be alive & well critique in support & against.

L' asé Èlèdumarè. Mo dupè tówó tówó

Cheers.

0balufonlll:


Egbon mi, Frobenius built a case for European superiority to Africa; his case was against Africa/Yoruba. Why you’re bending Frobenius’ perverted approach that was quite racist to suit your angle is quite interesting.

Frobenius mentioned Yoruba was above North Africa and any other culture/religion under semitic culture. In essence, Yoruba had no similarity with North Africa or Middle East.

Why is your post putting words in Frobebius’ mouth, baba? He stated his piece; Yoruba culture is Greek, Greek is Yoruba cukture. O tan.

Yes ,Leo built a case against Europeans and not in their favour because what he saw in his life time was enough to praise sing Yorubas achievement,because it was beyond his imagination. What if Leo Fronebius had seen the discovery in 1939?
Let me quickly say this to you because you probably didn't see what Professor Leo did when he rated Yorubas as an outstanding people with a class beyond many African kingdoms. He simply did a research but was unable e complete before his death. Have you even forgotten that, Africa as a name didn't exist many centuries ago? Why then do you not see that probability of groups migration to different places for one reason or the other were possible. Human fossils discovered in Yoruba land at Iwo Eleru is just 13,000+ years old . .The Moroccan fossils, by contrast, are roughly 300,000 years old,while in Misliya, Mount Carmel, Israel has a fossil that is outside Africa which has been dated to between 177,000 and 200,000 years old. Lastly ,The Ethiopian fossils has been dated to be betwen 160,000 and 195,000 ... Let me now clear your doubt, the Iwo Eleru fossil is not YORUBA ANCESTOR. Furthermore, Otun in present day Moro, Ekiti,categorically said,his ancestors were not Odua descendants but adopted son . Have you read the Otun account of Yoruba history? Infact, it was claimed ,that Otun ancestors emerged from the ocean and Ooni Odua welcomed their leader and his followers to his abode . This account, do you beleive it? Till infinity, Otun is part of corronation of all Oonis. The point here is that there is migration of Yorubas to present day Yoruba land in Nigeria.

TonySpike:


At the bolded, you have just justified my statement(s) and shot yourself on the foot. I have no further arguments for you.

How did she/he shoot herself /himself on the foot The person was obviously making a case for the indigenous nature of yoruba culture not every culture in the world

Btw the person asked you a question... What proof do you have to challenge well established scholarly opinions that Yoruba is indigenous to west Africa... Which BTW is backed by every available evidence

@olu317. Your disgust for Africa is just pathetic

Because Yoruba culture is well organized and of a certain level doesn't make it any less African

Chinese culture is sophisticated and it's ancient society well organized doesn't mean it is less east Asian. Aztec culture too.. Don't mean the Aztec were Hebrews or Canaanites

Semitic genes or European genes aren't superior.. Get that socialdarwinist pseudoscience outta your head

Yoruba culture being well organized is not due to Semitic origin but simply the ability of an African people to develop independently when they work together and plan properly

This is what we get from people who can't detach themselves from their foreign religions

Olu317:
Yes ,Leo built a case against Europeans and not in their favour because what he saw in his life time was enough to praise sing Yorubas achievement,because it was beyond his imagination. What if Leo Fronebius had seen the discovery in 1939?
Let me quickly say this to you because you probably didn't see what Professor Leo did when he rated Yorubas as an outstanding people with a class beyond many African kingdoms. He simply did a research but was unable e complete before his death. Have you even forgotten that, Africa as a name didn't exist many centuries ago? Why then do you not see that probability of groups migration to different places for one reason or the other were possible. Human fossils discovered in Yoruba land at Iwo Eleru is just 13,000+ years old . .The Moroccan fossils, by contrast, are roughly 300,000 years old,while in Misliya, Mount Carmel, Israel has a fossil that is outside Africa which has been dated to between 177,000 and 200,000 years old. Lastly ,The Ethiopian fossils has been dated to be betwen 160,000 and 195,000 ... Let me now clear your doubt, the Iwo Eleru fossil is not YORUBA ANCESTOR. Furthermore, Otun in present day Moro, Ekiti,categorically said,his ancestors were not Odua descendants but adopted son . Have you read the Otun account of Yoruba history? Infact, it was claimed ,that Otun ancestors emerged from the ocean and Ooni Odua welcomed their leader and his followers to his abode . This account, do you beleive it? Till infinity, Otun is part of corronation of all Oonis . The point here is that there is migration of Yorubas to present day Yoruba land in Nigeria.

You just love to speak so much and make claims..
The current Ọọ̀ni had his coronation in 2015..no Otun chief was recorded to be there to do anything
Unless you are part of the coronation initiates who might know of such details not made public, I don't see how you would be so sure that Otun plays a part in the coronation of the Ọọ̀ni

Later you would claim to have mysteries.
Still baffling how a Christian feels he knows so much about Yoruba traditions

OlaoChi:
@olu317. Your disgust for Africa is just pathetic

Because Yoruba culture is well organized and of a certain level doesn't make it any less African

Chinese culture is sophisticated and it's ancient society well organized doesn't mean it is less east Asian. Aztec culture too.. Don't mean the Aztec were Hebrews or Canaanites

Semitic genes or European genes aren't superior.. Get that socialdarwinist pseudoscience outta your head

Yoruba culture being well organized is not due to Semitic origin but simply the ability of an African people to develop independently when they work together and plan properly

This is what we get from people who can't detach themselves from their foreign religions

Just imaging what you typed ? Disgust indeed! If my ancestors didn't at anytime desired to oppress anyone, but lived in peace within the location God positioned them, why would I be bothered ?You chant the slogans of Africa unity as if chaos and wars is alien to them? Give other Africans same circumstances found in Nigeria, if war would not have ravaged Nigeria. And who do you think is the pivotal reason for such not happening? The answer is before you. This alone make mockery off your opinion without evidence of one Africa.
Although you may disagree,with your opinion as many will say; it is a collective effort for Nigeria to stand. May be you need to provide the information on where you saw one Europe in the past or present ? Except based on mutual benefits.
Yet you want African unity based on sentiments. A sentiment based on homophobia? You really make me see how your thought looked and your unnecessary Afrocentrism.

Yes, I am a proud Brownish Skin man that has Melanin and all discoveries that make my Race outstanding. But I dont share your perspective because even IFA does not discriminate . How can you then see yourself having being filled with hatred and bitterness against non Africans, from continents perspective if you claim true Yoruba sonship?.
Your claim about Africa as a continent that Yoruba developed such Artistic–Visual realsim as if it is one monstrous tribe or ethnicity, yet Africa has an ethnic groups that's slightly less or over two thousands (2000), with different traditions which researchers have proven to be so true. The Afrocentrism that you have still had the support of white men. Do you not know ?
BOB MARLEY, the Reggae crooner that people like you loved his songs and other Africans cherish so much was a DESCENDANT OF A WHITEMAN? YES, HE WAS! What Can you see your weakness? If you are an omoluabi,showcase it instead of hatred for people because they praised and did research on Yoruba ancestors. The same attitude of yours,have been shared by some in the past but don't hold waters. If revenge on sin perpetuated by every ancestors of humanity and were to be taken into cognisance, who then, can stand the vengeance of Eledumare? The yoruba Eledumare is the one with Ógbón( Knowledge), Imó(wisdom) and Ooyè( understanding),which is expected of you and us all apply daily. I cant picture why you think,I should dislike people because the reseachers said Yoruba werent Africans alike or probable migrants of some sort .You failed to even realised, that you are the RACIST here because, whitemen or yelllow or mulattoes etc didn't fell from anywhere but offspring of the same Africans. . Can you see your mindset, OlaOchi? No one isnt of African descent. Infact,Yoruba's IFA tradition has nothing to do with Africans but all humanity because Africa didnt exist when the knowledge of Geomancy existed in Yoruba people's lives.

AFA was introduced to North Africa in 9th century,so also was Sikidy.What then is your point,Mr? Please,I am not interested in Africa from your conceptualisation. A concept that showed that Reisner in 1899, examined a tomb in the Nile Valley . And he found the remains of a distinct RACE, WHO BURIED THEIR DEAD UP AGAINST ABDOMEN AND THORAX. DO YOU KNOW THE TRIBE/EHTNICITY THAT BURIED LIKE THAT? THE ANCIENT ETHIOPIANS AND TRACEABLE TO ANCIENT CUSHITE were the Race. Can you give any traces of this kind of burial in YORUBA LAND? Although, you are entitled to your opinion but evidence supersede opinion of yours or mine.

OlaoChi:


You just love to speak so much and make claims..
The current Ọọ̀ni had his coronation in 2015..no Otun chief was recorded to be there to do anything
Unless you are part of the coronation initiates who might know of such details not made public, I don't see how you would be so sure that Otun plays a part in the coronation of the Ọọ̀ni

Later you would claim to have mysteries.
Still baffling how a Christian feels he knows so much about Yoruba traditions

Go and study jaare my friend. I am not interested in this quoted piece of mine by you . If he was not part of Ooni's coronation,will they tell it to the world? . Otun history can be verified either orally or you visit both ILEIFE and the palace of Otun to know his role in Ooni's burial and coronation.
Funny enough, you once claimed tha you are an initiate . So,his will make it easy for you.

Lastly,do you want to write the history of yoruba with questions you ask in between ? Anyway, it's always advisable to research and let emotions out of the way.

MetaPhysical:


Ok. So in the age when the ancestors migrated there would not have been anything called North Africa or Middle East. Similarly that what we know today as Nigeria, Benin, Togo, and so on were not there just two hundred years ago. Let us imagine an ancient world called Egypt, Kush, Canaan, Babylon, Assyria, Mesopotamia...and so on. There was nothing called Sudan or West Africa.

In that age, what did they call the part of the world later known as Sudan?

You see those men that put their opinion up here are only sentimental because of sympathy for the so called Africa; a name created by European conquest and conqueror. Can you just imagine a lot of them showing acceptance to such name and identity ? Research gives room for no PITY but evidence. Q..E.D

Hati13:

Sorry but he is the one who initiated it and when I try to end it, he comes and continue it.

Greeting to you Hati13, I am sure you are following this thread carefully because, the knowledge you have acquired and acquiring here can also shape your mindset about Yoruba's migration history and NOT A THEORY. I intend to inform you and others who aren't conversant with Yoruba word lists and opposition to the Hebrew —Afroasia connection of Yorubas as false to disprove this Hebrew word that has survived thousands of years between ancient Yoruba and ancient Hebrew languages, which is known as Yoruba's TÓR/TÓRÁ against Hebrew's TORAH.

Are you shocked again ?

Preamble

Conton says; “The Yoruba people of Nigeria are believed by many modern historians to be descended from a people who were living on the banks of the Nile ,2000 years ago and who were in close contact with Egyptians and Jew"

A scholar known as Aderibigbe, says; The general trends on Yoruba traditions, is that of a possible origin from ‘The East' . And that migration was due to ‘War'.

Einar Haugen says; " the analysis of ecology requires not that one describe the social and psychological situation of each language , but also the effect of this situation of on the language itself. As a starter,it will be necessary to indicate the language from which influence presently flows,as reflected in the importation and substitution now being created in each. This is usually obvious enough, since current creations are often the subject of discussion and even controversy.

It must involve recognition of the existence of at least two structural layers i.e at a certain period in the life of each language influential must have learned certain languages and have enriched their own language by modeling their expression on that certain teachers languages .We are familiar with certain specific situation of linguistics symbiosis , in which language system are stretched almost out of recognition".

In Einar Haugen's analysis, clearly two factors can mean the reasons for language similarities.

1. That specific situation of linguistic symboisis can make language system be stretched out of recognition.

2. And that all language are influenced by one another through being learned at certain period from the teachers language, which would have enriched the borrowers language by modeling their expression on that teacher language.( Ecology of language pg 63-64,1972).

The above statement is quite truthful with the evidence of both Yoruba language having similarities with both Egyptians and Hebrews–Semitc words(Afroasia).

WHAT IS TORAH ?

The word " Torah " in Hebrew is derived from
the root ירה , which in the hif'il conjugation means "to guide/teach". How true can this be ?

A hebraic definition of Torah is "a set of Instructions, from a father to his children, violation of these instructions are disciplined in order to foster obedience and train his children".

In Yoruba : Tó(r)/ Tórá means/is Teach

It is a word used by Yorubas to specifically mean to teach a child/children so that he/she/ they; won't be indiscipline but well trained.

This is because, it is a mandatory word of instruction by Yoruba parents or guardians etc to the younger ones and once violations to this instruction happens,such child/children is/are punished

Example 1: Tó(r) omo mi= teach my child
Example 2: Tó(r) omo ré/é
Example 3 : Tórá mi; Teach myself/instruct myself

Do you / they think Yorubas in Southwest - North central of western part of Nigeria( yoruba enclave ) who lived and still live in an area that is approximately 2000+ Miles with to Egypt and 4000+ miles from middle east borrowed these semblance and same meaning ?

IMPOSSIBLE!


Cheers

OlaoChi:


You just love to speak so much and make claims..
The current Ọọ̀ni had his coronation in 2015..no Otun chief was recorded to be there to do anything
Unless you are part of the coronation initiates who might know of such details not made public, I don't see how you would be so sure that Otun plays a part in the coronation of the Ọọ̀ni

Later you would claim to have mysteries.
Still baffling how a Christian feels he knows so much about Yoruba traditions

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Olu317:
Go and study jaare my friend. I am not interested in this quoted piece of mine by you . If he was not part of Ooni's coronation,will they tell it to the world? . Otun history can be verified either orally or you visit both ILEIFE and the palace of Otun to know his role in Ooni's burial and coronation.
Funny enough, you once claimed tha you are an initiate . So,his will make it easy for you.

Lastly,do you want to write the history of yoruba with questions you ask in between ? Anyway, it's always advisable to research and let emotions out of the way.

Otun's role is limited to dispatching messages of an Ooni's demise to other key kings and that is where it stops.

He plays no role in the coronation process in Ile-Ife.

0balufonlll:
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Otun's role is limited to dispatching messages of an Ooni's demise to other key kings and that is where it stops.

He plays no role in the coronation process in Ile-Ife.

Well said but playing a role means participatory.That's the point. Otun history didn't connect their ancestors to chiefly lineage at ancient ILEIFE but of a close relationship with Oodua in his lifetime. I am sure you know Otun was the one that ask for the Ókún water to be used for washing of Odua's eyes problem,from which Óbúokun/Óbókun derived his kingly title because he was the one that fetched the water from the Ocean . Definitely, Otun was a Priest.

The story litters the internet.

WHY DID YOU COME TO SAVE THAT YOUNG GUY'S FACE?
I wanted him to chew his pride because he is not well read, arrogant, provocative and good at using vulgar words.


Cheers

Olu317:
Well said but playing a role means participatory.That's the point. Otun history didn't connect their ancestors to chiefly lineage at ancient ILEIFE but of a close relationship with Oodua in his lifetime. I am sure you know Otun was the one that ask for the Ókún water to be used for washing of Odua's eyes problem,from which Óbúokun/Óbókun derived his kingly title because he was the one that fetched the water from the Ocean . Definitely, Otun was a Priest.

The story litters the internet.

WHY DID YOU COME TO SAVE THAT YOUNG GUY'S FACE?
I wanted him to chew his pride because he is not well read, arrogant, provocative and good at using vulgar words.


Cheers

Anybody who thinks I am not well read is entitled to their opinion but the reality is that you are beneath me in knowledge
For someone who I have called out up to 10 times for posting false information you don't seem to be capable of ìtìjú

I bring two more word connects in Yoruba and English with precise concept in both.

Oyin - Honey
Arise (engage, activity) - Arise (alert)


Why so many matched words and meanings between Yoruba and English? Are these borrowed as well or are these coincidences? Why is "pelu" in Yoruba a cognate with "plus" in English? .

I need to ask Queen where her ancestors got these words from.

BabaRamota1980:
I bring two more word connects in Yoruba and English with precise concept in both.

Oyin - Honey
Arise (engage, activity) - Arise (alert)


Why so many matched words and meanings between Yoruba and English? Are these borrowed as well or are these coincidences? Why is "pelu" in Yoruba a cognate with "plus" in English? .

I need to ask Queen where her ancestors got these words from.

ó gbé tuntun de

So the English came from Yorubas now? Or the Yoruba came from the English? ... Why not stick to the Arab case you were previously on about
Jumping around would only make you appear as a clown
And if anything already defeats your Semitic connection claim since anybody can connect Yoruba to any group of people on the planet..be it English, Japanese, Mayans, Arabs

If you look for similar words between Yoruba and any language of the world you would find.. So Obviously the Semitic argument is dumb

OlaoChi:

Anybody who thinks I am not well read is entitled to their opinion but the reality is that you are beneath me in knowledge
For someone who I have called out up to 10 times for posting false information you don't seem to be capable of ìtìjú

False information? . I mock you because the photos of Arts you copied from Iowa university is also in my care . You see, you have eyes but unable to decipher between the line . Check the total views on this topic and see how interesting it has become because of information dispatched on here.credit goes to metaphyiscal,ObalufonIII, Tonyspiker, Hatie13, etc . Mind you, you are an antagonist without evidence and with nothing to contribute because you have no deep knowledge of the folllowing:

1. Bible–Aramaic inscription found in Egypt/Canaan inscription/Akkadian Inscription/Babylonian Tablets

2. Ephod/IFA/Al Raml

3.Ethiopian dynasties in Egypt

4. Arab's history

5. Hebrew's history in Egypt

6. Ancient Yoruba's words list

7.Semitic language and continuum

8. Egyptian's history

9. Mesopotemia's history

10. Yoruba DNA as it relate with humanoids.

11. Ancient world Art

12. Yoruba Oral Genealogical arrangement



Have I not informed you that your Ibo friends and brethren dont usually Eat Ram? And I mentioned Ibos because you sensationally loved to equate Yorubas of having same historical background .
I have posted over 120+ neglible ancient yoruba word list,which have no link with Ibos.
Unlike you, I have never said, it is a crime for one author to do a slight research on similarities between Yoruba and Ibo language ? After the publishing of the book, did it pass the litmus test? Who is fooling who? How much Sale did the book made?

The ritual words spoken daily is different from Ibos, so also the daily usable words by Yorubas are different from Ibos . Has your hate again led you to become a monitoring spirit by accusing me of using negative word on the entire Ibos and Edos?

Listen Mr, My ancestor's well respected throne is sacrosanct and I will not let anyone online whoe'e is such ,that is not knowledgeable but try to desecrate it,will be corrected.

And I look forward to your screenshot to my posts, that I deliberately referred to some Ibos as ‘bastard' ,as you had done to us, Yorubas,which you will still be been doing in the future .

Lastly, you and I are different but it doesn't change my respect for people either mate , younger or older than I am.

BabaRamota1980:
I bring two more word connects in Yoruba and English with precise concept in both.

Oyin - Honey
Arise (engage, activity) - Arise (alert)


Why so many matched words and meanings between Yoruba and English? Are these borrowed as well or are these coincidences? Why is "pelu" in Yoruba a cognate with "plus" in English? .

I need to ask Queen where her ancestors got these words from.

You see, Einar Haugen has sealed it up in his book ; Ecology of language. In this book, it clearly showed two clear means that words are transferred from the original owner to the people who borrowed it and migration which could affect the spoken language because of symbiosis, in which such language could be stretched out of its original form.. This author's opinion still support your perspective. In fact, the author clearly showed that these two reason were among some borrowed/shared ancient Yorubas words with Igalas.

A deep Yoruba word list–Archaic being used is distinctly different from Igalas,which made Igala language not to be adjudged a Yoruba language but related language .

For example, ancient and rural Yoruba dialect uses Yoruba = Foó(r)– ‘Say'/‘speak' , in English language.

BabaRamota1980:
I bring two more word connects in Yoruba and English with precise concept in both.

Oyin - Honey
Arise (engage, activity) - Arise (alert)


Why so many matched words and meanings between Yoruba and English? Are these borrowed as well or are these coincidences? Why is "pelu" in Yoruba a cognate with "plus" in English? .

I need to ask Queen where her ancestors got these words from.

You see, Einar Haugen has sealed it up in his book ; Ecology of language. In this book, it clearly showed two clear means that words are transferred from the original owner to the people who borrowed it and migration which could affect the spoken language because of symbiosis, in which such language could be stretched out of its original form.. This author's opinion still support your perspective. In fact, the author clearly showed that these two reason were among some borrowed/shared ancient Yorubas words with Igalas.

A deep Yoruba word list–Archaic being used is distinctly different from Igalas,which made Igala language not to be adjudged a Yoruba language but related language .


1. For example, ancient and rural Yoruba dialect uses Fó(r)– and the English meaning is ‘Say'/‘speak'.

Today, many speakers ,who aren't deep with Yoruba language might think, Yoruba Só(r),wí is/are the original way to speak in ancient Yoruba. Thank God to the rural dwellers and Yoruba societies that still followed the patterned way of using the right word in dialects.