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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 10:25am On Jul 20, 2018
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 10:36am On Jul 20, 2018
Jelal0007:
bro would you recommend we bring sttep back to nigeria considering their excellent record in decimating bh? to help train more units like the 72 msf and help re organise our military doctrines.


Bringing STTEP or PMC back wouldn't change anything in these war/COIN in my own candid opinion.

You see COIN is not a regular or conventional war; it changes with time. You have to study and be able to predict your enemies tactics.

Bokoharam understands the terrain and has mastered the ground troops especially during the wet season.

We should change tactics and employ new technology to be ontop of our game, don't forget they know the terrain very well and we can't beat them in that aspect.

If you have read some people's idea/comment; few pages backward its high time we start deploying some technological equipments to help boost these war.

It's not about guns, MBT, IF or MRAP'S ...etc
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by doziex: 11:28am On Jul 20, 2018
I beg to differ oga bidexiii bringing Eeben and his crew back would be what the doctor ordered, but we will have to pay ten times as much if he takes the contract.

What buratai and co need the most is advisory work and of course standing up some more aggressive units such as the mobile strike teams. They just need to select from our existing special force units.

I believe our lawmakers will be more apt to release the purse strings, if they are professionally briefed on the needed strategy and expenditure.
Our military leadership is still fighting a conventional war of numbers and clearing terrain. Which is the WRONG tactics. We are finding out that we cannot out recruit the bhts

It is about FFFF Find, Fix, Flank, Finish. Over and over again.

Intelligence and ISR platforms help us to find and fix the enemy. Then we have to close in or flank in difficult ambush rich terrain.

Here horizontal envelopment with Mobile Strike Teams in appropriate mraps and apcs NOT hilux death traps. This muscular patrols helps troops survive ambushes and fight thru them thereby increasing troop morale.

We should have enough transport helicopters to vertically envelop troops on to the target.

Technology such as drones, ISR platforms night vision equipment would also be needed.

So who protects the chibok and dapchi s of the war zone ?

Please, NA empower the CJTFs with real weapons to take the initiative and clear their own communities. Anything else is just a waste of time and resources. After all, they should be forming the vanguard of nigeria's future community policing.

Any mopol and police in the region should be equipped as regular soldiers i.e. Gun trucks,Gpmgs and RPGs

Our commanders could use advise and mentorship from real counterinsurgency professionals. Regardless of the training the British and Americans are offering.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 1:46pm On Jul 20, 2018
doziex:
I beg to differ oga bidexiii bringing Eeben and his crew back would be what the doctor ordered, but we will have to pay ten times as much if he takes the contract.

What buratai and co need the most is advisory work and of course standing up some more aggressive units such as the mobile strike teams. They just need to select from our existing special force units.

I believe our lawmakers will be more apt to release the purse strings, if they are professionally briefed on the needed strategy and expenditure.
Our military leadership is still fighting a conventional war of numbers and clearing terrain. Which is the WRONG tactics. We are finding out that we cannot out recruit the bhts

It is about FFFF Find, Fix, Flank, Finish. Over and over again.

Intelligence and ISR platforms help us to find and fix the enemy. Then we have to close in or flank in difficult ambush rich terrain.

Here horizontal envelopment with Mobile Strike Teams in appropriate mraps and apcs NOT hilux death traps. This muscular patrols helps troops survive ambushes and fight thru them thereby increasing troop morale.

We should have enough transport helicopters to vertically envelop troops on to the target.

Technology such as drones, ISR platforms night vision equipment would also be needed.

So who protects the chibok and dapchi s of the war zone ?

Please, NA empower the CJTFs with real weapons to take the initiative and clear their own communities. Anything else is just a waste of time and resources. After all, they should be forming the vanguard of nigeria's future community policing.

Any mopol and police in the region should be equipped as regular soldiers i.e. Gun trucks,Gpmgs and RPGs

Our commanders could use advise and mentorship from real counterinsurgency professionals. Regardless of the training the British and Americans are offering.


I respect your opinion mate.

If Eeben below is crew are invited times without number without getting the appropriate tools to prosecute these war, it will be 7 steps forward and 3 steps backwards.

At least we all have a opinion in common; getting latest equipment to stay ahead of evolving BHT tactics.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by allexpensive: 1:47pm On Jul 20, 2018
Jelal0007:
bro would you recommend we bring sttep back to nigeria considering their excellent record in decimating bh? to help train more units like the 72 msf and help re organise our military doctrines.

Makes extremely no difference.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 1:51pm On Jul 20, 2018
#THROW BACK

Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by allexpensive: 2:07pm On Jul 20, 2018
doziex:
I beg to differ oga bidexiii bringing Eeben and his crew back would be what the doctor ordered, but we will have to pay ten times as much if he takes the contract.

What buratai and co need the most is advisory work and of course standing up some more aggressive units such as the mobile strike teams. They just need to select from our existing special force units.

I believe our lawmakers will be more apt to release the purse strings, if they are professionally briefed on the needed strategy and expenditure.
Our military leadership is still fighting a conventional war of numbers and clearing terrain. Which is the WRONG tactics. We are finding out that we cannot out recruit the bhts

It is about FFFF Find, Fix, Flank, Finish. Over and over again.

Intelligence and ISR platforms help us to find and fix the enemy. Then we have to close in or flank in difficult ambush rich terrain.

Here horizontal envelopment with Mobile Strike Teams in appropriate mraps and apcs NOT hilux death traps. This muscular patrols helps troops survive ambushes and fight thru them thereby increasing troop morale.

We should have enough transport helicopters to vertically envelop troops on to the target.

Technology such as drones, ISR platforms night vision equipment would also be needed.

So who protects the chibok and dapchi s of the war zone ?

Please, NA empower the CJTFs with real weapons to take the initiative and clear their own communities. Anything else is just a waste of time and resources. After all, they should be forming the vanguard of nigeria's future community policing.

Any mopol and police in the region should be equipped as regular soldiers i.e. Gun trucks,Gpmgs and RPGs

Our commanders could use advise and mentorship from real counterinsurgency professionals. Regardless of the training the British and Americans are offering.
There is no need for his presence here. We have units capable of replicating what he did. When eeben was in Nigeria, 72Msf was given priority by the government. Air backup was on ready alert, he had the weapons he wanted, he had ISR always (he knows everything around him 24/7). 72MSF is good but the Belarus / Russian trained guys are better. The Pakistani trained guys are now embedded with 72msf to increase their capability. They developed a new doctrine that works in the north east.


The problem here is we cannot provide ISR for every unit like we did for Eeben, now that the foreign hand is out of it, the guys do not get the desired fire power they want as there's no fund for it. AFSF, AHSG, and the SBS guys are the most deadly unit out there. Their ops lead to much casualty On BHT side but they're always at disadvantage when operating with regular troops. The guys prefer working alone as the regular troops give them a hard time. You don't want to be in a fire fight and at the same time telling someone what to do. Once you have a man down, the game changes.

I have only been in a couple of ambush and not in a direct offensive against BHT. What we need in Nigeria now is real equipments. @nemesis made mention of COMJAM which would have helped. Once the enemy communications is blanked out, their coordination will be out. We need proper IFV not even tanks. We need to deploy more mortars.

80% of the fight against Boko Haram has men going against AA guns, BHT ARTILLERY with just riffles and gun trucks with limited range. At times, multiple rocket fire will disable our vehicle since they're coming in large numbers and we'll spread out. Proper hardware and gadjets are important. Some BMPs are in SS, e need them here.

Eeben will change nothing here.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by allexpensive: 2:08pm On Jul 20, 2018
bidexiii:
#THROW BACK

It was a success then but I lost a friend.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by allexpensive: 2:14pm On Jul 20, 2018
Exclusive! Untold Story Of Recent Boko Haram's Deadly Attack On Nigerian Troops

PREMIUM TIMES has obtained exclusive details of how insurgents ambushed a detachment of Nigerian troops and hours after overran a fortified military base, inflicting maximum damage.

In an assault that has now created fresh complications for the military operation in war-ravaged North-east, suspected Boko Haram insurgents last weekend attacked troops in Borno and Yobe states, killing soldiers, plundering equipment and supplies and torching even larger quantity of equipment and supplies.

The terrorists hit a convoy of officers, soldiers, informants, local vigilante members and hunters in the first attack on July 13. The early morning ambush, which occurred in Bama Local Government Area, Borno State, initially left five officers and 60 soldiers missing. But most of the troops later found their way back to base by the next morning.


The following day, insurgents swarmed 81 Division Task Force Brigade in Jilli, near Geidam, Yobe State. Three Nigerian Army officers and 28 soldiers were confirmed killed in the attack, military sources who examined the aftermath of the attacks informed PREMIUM TIMES.

Sources disclosed that one officer and 24 soldiers who survived varying but serious degrees of injuries during the attack are currently undergoing treatment at medical facilities in Maiduguri, Borno State, and Damaturu, Yobe State.

Two members of the Civilian Joint Task Force (CJTF) were also killed in the Jilli attack, while three of their colleagues who sustained serious injury are at the hospital in Maiduguri. Four CJTF members went missing in the attack, while the fate of five remained undetermined.


An officer and two soldiers were acknowledged missing in action in the Bama attack by the Nigerian Army 7 Division Headquarters in Maiduguri. But multiple military sources told PREMIUM TIMES that three officers and nine soldiers were still missing in action as at July 16.


In both attacks, insurgents suffered at least 10 casualties, but were able to cart away military equipment and supplies, both ranging from assorted gun trucks to food items in storage facilities.

The Army downplayed the degree of troops’ setbacks in its reaction to initial news reports about the Bama attack, saying in a July 16 statement that only one officer and one soldier were injured.


Texas Chukwu, a brigadier general and Army spokesperson, completely ignored media enquiries and reports about the attack on the military base in Jilli.

How attack unfolded

For days, PREMIUM TIMES explored multiple channels to uncover behind-the-scenes details of the attacks, which occurred over 200 kilometres apart and which security analysts have linked to the Abu-Mus’ab Al-Barnawi faction of Boko Haram. The group is known to target military interests rather than soft, mostly civilian targets.

Our sources, well informed about the events, explained how the attack unfolded.

The first attack on July 13, they said, involved six officers, 63 soldiers from 21 Brigade in Bama and 22 Task Force Brigade who were moved from their base in Ilorin and stationed in Bama as part of the ongoing war against Boko Haram.

They were joined by eight military informants, one member of CJTF and two hunters. They left Bama around 9:40 a.m. in seven gun trucks, two Toyota Hilux trucks for a planned operation in Kwakwa, a community in the same local government.

Military sources said the troops recorded initial successes in clearing villages of Boko Haram remnants along the way. When they arrived in Kwakwa, they also managed to flush out some insurgents lurking in a part of the community until they advanced to other parts that had become muddy as a result of heavy downpour in recent days.

At about 4:00 p.m., the men found it difficult to move with their gun trucks due to the impassable terrain and decided to disembark and proceed on foot to clear other areas of terrorists. It was at this point that Boko Haram fighters suddenly emerged, formed a ring around them and opened fire.


Most of the soldiers then dispersed in different directions. The rest managed to escape in two gun trucks. The remaining trucks and equipment were abandoned at the scene, PREMIUM TIMES learnt.

By the time air support arrived the next day, only two empty trucks were left, insurgents had made away with five anti-aircraft gun trucks and all the bombs and ammunition in them. The Air Force was unable to tow the remaining two empty trucks away and decided to demobilise them to make it impossible for Boko Haram to remove.

Most of the troops returned to their bases between the first day of the attack and the second day, but one officer and two soldiers were still missing as at July 18 with chances of their return becoming increasingly dimmer by the hour, military sources said.

At least 10 Boko Haram fighters were killed in the attacks and about four AK-47 rifles were also seized from them by troops, sources said.

Abdulmalik Biu (brigadier general), the acting general officer commanding of the 7 Division in Maiduguri, arrived at the 21 Brigade Headquarters in Bama hours after the attack. He interacted with many of the personnel on ground, including those who escaped the onslaught and those who participated in rescue efforts.

At the 81 Division Task Force Brigade in Yobe, which is a key base for the Operation Last Hold, Boko Haram elements caught the soldiers completely off guard, military sources said.

In the July 14 attack, three officers and 28 soldiers were killed, and unknown number unaccounted for as at July 16, two days after.

One officer, 24 soldiers and two members of the CJTF were severely injured and taken to hospitals in Damaturu, Geidam, and Maiduguri.

The brigade commander’s Hilux truck with all the communication gadgets was taken away. The insurgents also took away an ambulance, arms and ammunition, food supply for the period of July 15 to 31, petrol, oil and lubricants, as well as newly-issued military uniforms.

They destroyed stores, offices, church, two Sino trucks, one Mack truck and water tanker in the attack, PREMIUM TIMES learnt.

Mr Chukwu did not respond to PREMIUM TIMES’ requests seeking comments about the contradictions in his statement and what actually transpired in the attack.

Instead, he demanded to know who our sources are, saying he is on ground in Maiduguri and has a better understanding of the attack.


Defence Headquarters spokesperson, John Agim, also declined to comment on the specifics of the attacks.

He however said the Chief of Army Staff, Tukur Buratai, a lieutenant general, is on ground to assess the situation and that there might be more information for the public thereafter.

Onyema Nwachukwu, colonel, and spokesperson for the 7 Division, said enquiries on the matter should be directed at Mr Chukwu.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by allexpensive: 2:15pm On Jul 20, 2018
The above post of mine has a clear picture on what happened but some info there are wrong.

You can pick up yours from it.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by SternProphet: 2:15pm On Jul 20, 2018
doziex:
I beg to differ oga bidexiii bringing Eeben and his crew back would be what the doctor ordered, but we will have to pay ten times as much if he takes the contract.

What buratai and co need the most is advisory work and of course standing up some more aggressive units such as the mobile strike teams. They just need to select from our existing special force units.

I believe our lawmakers will be more apt to release the purse strings, if they are professionally briefed on the needed strategy and expenditure.
Our military leadership is still fighting a conventional war of numbers and clearing terrain. Which is the WRONG tactics. We are finding out that we cannot out recruit the bhts

It is about FFFF Find, Fix, Flank, Finish. Over and over again.

Intelligence and ISR platforms help us to find and fix the enemy. Then we have to close in or flank in difficult ambush rich terrain.

Here horizontal envelopment with Mobile Strike Teams in appropriate mraps and apcs NOT hilux death traps. This muscular patrols helps troops survive ambushes and fight thru them thereby increasing troop morale.

We should have enough transport helicopters to vertically envelop troops on to the target.

Technology such as drones, ISR platforms night vision equipment would also be needed.

So who protects the chibok and dapchi s of the war zone ?

Please, NA empower the CJTFs with real weapons to take the initiative and clear their own communities. Anything else is just a waste of time and resources. After all, they should be forming the vanguard of nigeria's future community policing.

Any mopol and police in the region should be equipped as regular soldiers i.e. Gun trucks,Gpmgs and RPGs

Our commanders could use advise and mentorship from real counterinsurgency professionals. Regardless of the training the British and Americans are offering.

This is so ANNOYING to read. It is very sad.
This thread is visited and contributed to by more than TEN nationalities I am sure but it takes a Nigerian to think this way.
It is disgraceful.
This is my comparison. Suppose I am working at home and I get brain cloggs and I suddenly forget that 2+ 2 =4. So I tell my wife and educated kid that I am going to see my neighbour to get the answer. Why?., because my neighbour solved a problem for me last week and i think my neighbour has all the answers. This is the weak brained, dunce-thinking I meant in my previous insultive posts. ......My wife has the correct answer. My kid knows the answer.
More importantly, MY problem is not 2 + 2, it is mental exhaustion and I need to go on vacation.

Suppose Eeben Barlow had passed away. Suppose his company got bankrupt. Suppose STTEPP was not in position to offer services, would this problem not be solved.

What is the problem set?. A tactical mistake that was capitalised upon followed by another surprise attack in the confusion.
Have you done after action reviews? Have you carried out internal inquiry.
What about sabotage and moles? .. I am actually very happy that a more professionally matured contributor shrugged off on the "moles" ..they are always around, they will always be around , you manage it proactively and professionally.

So this pedestrian "local" thinking that Barlow is the guy to always run to for an Army over 100 years old, with a university and many institutions and the best trained officer corps in Africa only Nigerians of a certain generation were brought up to think that way and I have contempt for them.

We need technology. We need to guard against over confidence from recent weeks sucesses. We need better situational awareness and articulation /practicalization of battalion level TTTPs developed with Pakistani, Russian, EU help not just Barlow please.

More importantly, as an intelligent person just posted. All you learnt needs to be updated as the enemy is always evolving. So Barlow has to be called upon when Boko Harem changes their methods and get another pyrrhic success ?.
I really don't know where people keep their brains.

What do you even think is happening, do you actually think Boko Harem is recapturing territory ?. Have you even looked at the maps and tried to piece together what happened. I am really sorry for some individuals in my country. It appears basic reasoning ability is absent

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 2:28pm On Jul 20, 2018
allexpensive:


It was a success then but I lost a friend.

sad

Lost a friend also.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Kalapizim(m): 2:30pm On Jul 20, 2018
allexpensive:


It was a success then but I lost a friend.
sorry bro, is that captain still in the NE
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 2:36pm On Jul 20, 2018
SternProphet:


This is so ANNOYING to read. It is very sad.
This thread is visited and contributed to by more than TEN nationalities I am sure but it takes a Nigerian to think this way.
It is disgraceful.
This is my comparison. Suppose I am working at home and I get brain cloggs and I suddenly forget that 2+ 2 =4. So I tell my wife and educated kid that I am going to see my neighbour to get the answer. Why?., because my neighbour solved a problem for me last week and i think my neighbour has all the answers. This is the weak brained, dunce-thinking I meant in my previous insultive posts. ......My wife has the correct answer. My kid knows the answer.
More importantly, MY problem is not 2 + 2, it is mental exhaustion and I need to go on vacation.

Suppose Eeben Barlow had passed away. Suppose his company got bankrupt. Suppose STTEPP was not in position to offer services, would this problem not be solved.


What is the problem set?. A tactical mistake that was capitalised upon followed by another surprise attack in the confusion.
Have you done after action reviews? Have you carried out internal inquiry.
What about sabotage and moles? .. I am actually very happy that a more professionally matured contributor shrugged off on the "moles" ..they are always around, they will always be around , you manage it proactively and professionally.

So this pedestrian "local" thinking that Barlow is the guy to always run to for an Army over 100 years old, with a university and many institutions and the best trained officer corps in Africa only Nigerians of a certain generation were brought up to think that way and I have contempt for them.

We need technology. We need to guard against over confidence from recent weeks sucesses. We need better situational awareness and articulation /practicalization of battalion level TTTPs developed with Pakistani, Russian, EU help not just Barlow please.

More importantly, as an intelligent person just posted. All you learnt needs to be updated as the enemy is always evolving. So Barlow has to be called upon when Boko Harem changes their methods and get another pyrrhic success ?.
I really don't know where people keep their brains.

What do you even think is happening, do you actually think Boko Harem is recapturing territory ?. Have you even looked at the maps and tried to piece together what happened. I am really sorry for some individuals in my country. It appears basic reasoning ability is absent


We should learn how to profer solution to our own problems...

It's high time the lower & upper chambers of the national house of assemble see more reason the state of security in these country. Budgets for security/defense should be increase for a country fighting terrorism and killings in the central North.

The press has a lot of work to do in these area. Even when you try to let people see the reality on ground, they say you are terrorist sympathiser.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by lionel4power(m): 2:52pm On Jul 20, 2018
jakeporeshenko:
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Look at that fully armored cockpit, damn this is legit the perfect COIN aircraft.

the Cockpit looks reinforced.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Odunayaw(m): 3:17pm On Jul 20, 2018
allexpensive:

There is no need for his presence here. We have units capable of replicating what he did. When eeben was in Nigeria, 72Msf was given priority by the government. Air backup was on ready alert, he had the weapons he wanted, he had ISR always (he knows everything around him 24/7). 72MSF is good but the Belarus / Russian trained guys are better. The Pakistani trained guys are now embedded with 72msf to increase their capability. They developed a new doctrine that works in the north east.


The problem here is we cannot provide ISR for every unit like we did for Eeben, now that the foreign hand is out of it, the guys do not get the desired fire power they want as there's no fund for it. AFSF, AHSG, and the SBS guys are the most deadly unit out there. Their ops lead to much casualty On BHT side but they're always at disadvantage when operating with regular troops. The guys prefer working alone as the regular troops give them a hard time. You don't want to be in a fire fight and at the same time telling someone what to do. Once you have a man down, the game changes.

I have only been in a couple of ambush and not in a direct offensive against BHT. What we need in Nigeria now is real equipments. @nemesis made mention of COMJAM which would have helped. Once the enemy communications is blanked out, their coordination will be out. We need proper IFV not even tanks. We need to deploy more mortars.

80% of the fight against Boko Haram has men going against AA guns, BHT ARTILLERY with just riffles and gun trucks with limited range. At times, multiple rocket fire will disable our vehicle since they're coming in large numbers and we'll spread out. Proper hardware and gadjets are important. Some BMPs are in SS, e need them here.

Eeben will change nothing here.
Am glad you see things this way!! So glad
Are you a Regt personnel?
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Odunayaw(m): 3:24pm On Jul 20, 2018
meanwhile, has the brass studied the Indian Ghatak platoons? Even Sri Lanka used something similar during their war against LTTE

This is a better idea compared to converting a brigade to Special operations brigade (WtF ).
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 3:45pm On Jul 20, 2018
#Egypt- aside for the #ISIS propaganda, the photos are also evidence of how the Egyptian military continually fails to implement the most basic of tactics, despite many years of bloody experience in #Sinai

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 4:27pm On Jul 20, 2018
#militarycouples....

Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 4:27pm On Jul 20, 2018
Nigerian police deployed MRAPS and BTR armored personnel carriers for Ekiti State election!

When those Abuja based thugs in power want to protect their political interest they go above and beyond, Shameless bunch, but when it’s time to protect citizens they can’t be this proactive.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 4:28pm On Jul 20, 2018
#Warriors

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 4:30pm On Jul 20, 2018
jakeporeshenko:
Nigerian police deployed MRAPS and BTR armored personnel carriers for Ekiti State election!

When those Abuja based thugs in power want to protect their political interest they go above and beyond, Shameless bunch, but when it’s time to protect citizens they can’t be this proactive.


grin grin shocked grin grin
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 4:48pm On Jul 20, 2018
SMH
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by doziex: 7:00pm On Jul 20, 2018
So after an entire battalion just gets decimated at our nations border. Folks are still too proud to admit that nigeria is a counterinsurgency lightweight that could possibly learn from the experience of others?
Shekau and his group might be dwindling, but al barnawi with Isis tutelage in growing fat on Nigerian, nigerien and Cameroonian military supplies.

This group has us outclassed and outmaneuvered and folks still want to show case naija pride. O ya pump out your chest while other people's children die and nigeria gradually disintegrates.

I would continue to raise this issue, as my purpose is to influence someone who might be connected to our authorities. And hopefully some humility would dawn on some of our more jingoist bloggers.

We are in the dark groping for answers. We should be willing to listen to folks that has been there before. And have the requisite skills and dogma.

Stern prophet, what you excuse as a weekend mishap, signifies a dearth in the counterinsurgency best practices in our military leadership.

So how ever many well trained counterinsurgency special forces we have, the generals are prone to misapply their skills. Unless the generals are retrained in counterinsurgency concepts or have the benefit of advisers.

I never said Sttep or Eeben was only PMC out there. Stan michrystal and general petraus come to mind. Prior to Iraq, they authored the US army's concepts and best practices on counterinsurgency.

MPRI is a PMC that marries struggling armies like NA, and generals like Petraus.
Countries like Thailand, Philippines, Columbia, Mexico and Croatia have utilized their services. But I guess you know something they all don't.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by allexpensive: 7:08pm On Jul 20, 2018
Odunayaw:
Am glad you see things this way!! So glad
Are you a Regt personnel?
Yes but not active on the field. Training and advice.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by doziex: 7:14pm On Jul 20, 2018
Also wanted to add RIP to all the gentlemen and women we lost. All expensive, sorry for those you lost.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by allexpensive: 7:29pm On Jul 20, 2018
doziex:
So after an entire battalion just gets decimated at our nations border. Folks are still too proud to admit that nigeria is a counterinsurgency lightweight that could possibly learn from the experience of others?
Shekau and his group might be dwindling, but al barnawi with Isis tutelage in growing fat on Nigerian, nigerien and Cameroonian military supplies.

This group has us outclassed and outmaneuvered and folks still want to show case naija pride. O ya pump out your chest while other people's children die and nigeria gradually disintegrates.

I would continue to raise this issue, as my purpose is to influence someone who might be connected to our authorities. And hopefully some humility would dawn on some of our more jingoist bloggers.

We are in the dark groping for answers. We should be willing to listen to folks that has been there before. And have the requisite skills and dogma.

Stern prophet, what you excuse as a weekend mishap, signifies a dearth in the counterinsurgency best practices in our military leadership.

So how ever many well trained counterinsurgency special forces we have, the generals are prone to misapply their skills. Unless the generals are retrained in counterinsurgency concepts or have the benefit of advisers.

I never said Sttep or Eeben was only PMC out there. Stan michrystal and general petraus come to mind. Prior to Iraq, they authored the US army's concepts and best practices on counterinsurgency.

MPRI is a PMC that marries struggling armies like NA, and generals like Petraus.
Countries like Thailand, Philippines, Columbia, Mexico and Croatia have utilized their services. But I guess you know something they all don't.

Of what difference will any PMC make except they come with their own weapons. You still don't understand. Troops are not lacking skills or less battle capable but some units lack that offensive capability.

Except the PMC is coming with their own air platforms, weapons, IFV etc there's nothing they can do. You're outgunned and out numbered.

Mind you this won't be the same in case of an external aggression by a neighboring country. Coin warfare is different from defending your territorial integrity.

You need to understand that some things are politically motivated. We went to The Gambia prepared, deployed gun trucks, APC and new weapons were given out.

We performed RECON and aerial coverage on our troops location. This is the same thing any PMC will do if they come here. They have only few things to look after and Carter for.


Even if the barrack had T72s stationed there, it would have been a bad thing.

Here's Boko Haram's tactics.
1) Fast and rapid deployment of troops
2) Fast mobility
3) Spread out.
4) Long range weapons and sporadic shooting.
5) Come in large numbers.

Now let us examine this on 700 soldiers.
1) Artillery comes in consecutively..
Action: Everyone takes cover.
2) Boko Haram combines AA, howitzer etc in multiple directions.
Action: Soldiers trying to figure out the best way to repel the attack while manning defensive position and gun trucks moving into position.
Reaction : Artillery lands on troops vehicle since the guns and projectiles are being fired in multiple direction. You start taking casualty. After about 10 minutes, suppressive fire wasn't working and bht damage radius starts increasing.

Available options.

Deploy Mortars very fast to prevent them from advancing. Keep firing IFV, rockets on bht position ( we field rockets deployed on light skinned but not widely used.)

You can only match them with similar fire power and not soldiers with riffles.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by allexpensive: 7:33pm On Jul 20, 2018
doziex:
Also wanted to add RIP to all the gentlemen and women we lost. All expensive, sorry for those you lost.

Thank you. Hoping to see improvement from the Senate. We need more strategic equipments. Capabilities need to increase as this is the pride of the nation.

Loosing friends can be painful. On the field, you can't predict the next few minutes.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 7:38pm On Jul 20, 2018
doziex:
So after an entire battalion just gets decimated at our nations border. Folks are still too proud to
Mr Doziex, you are back to pebbling this PMC nonsense. You really need to quit and get over it.

I don't even know why people on here are freaking out over a single base attack, i agree alot needs to be done and tactics changed, but do we honestly think BH are armed with forks and spoons?

In conflict, an active conflict like we have in the NE, it is not unheard of that the enemy can also score victories.

The base was clearly over-whelmed by the attack by the insurgents.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 7:42pm On Jul 20, 2018
Henry240:

Mr Doziex, you are back to pebbling this PMC nonsense. You really need to quit and get over it.

I don't even know why people on here are freaking out over a single base attack, i agree alot needs to be done and tactics changed, but do we honestly think BH are armed with forks and spoons?

In conflict, an active conflict like we have in the NE, it is not unheard of that the enemy can also score victories.

The base was clearly over-whelmed by the attack by the insurgents.

Abii now.... grin

Such is the nature of COIN; It doesn't mean we are not winning these war. Even if the pace is gradual, slow and steady wins the game.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by doziex: 7:44pm On Jul 20, 2018
Eeben and co from the old SADF are mainly in their sixties now. So we are not hiring them for there physical prowess. Instead , we should be looking to tap into their concepts and experience through advise,training and mentorship relationships.

This only makes us better regardless of what one thinks of the old SADF. The UPDF we all see today especially in Amisom, their senior and mid level officers were largely mentored by STTEP.

And we all know our country. Lawmakers will hear Eeben or petraus more readily than they would a buratai.
For one, they can make a better presentation and have no political skin in the game.

When you are talking about spending an extra 1 billion dollars on defense, some SE senators are rightfully worried about python dances and not issues like helicopter borne assaults needed in the NE and middle belt states to contain the herdsmen over hilly terrain.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 7:45pm On Jul 20, 2018
allexpensive:


Of what difference will any PMC make except they come with their own weapons. You still don't understand. Troops are not lacking skills or less battle capable but some units lack that offensive capability.

Except the PMC is coming with their own air platforms, weapons, IFV etc there's nothing they can do. You're outgunned and out numbered.

Mind you this won't be the same in case of an external aggression by a neighboring country. Coin warfare is different from defending your territorial integrity.

You need to understand that some things are politically motivated. We went to The Gambia prepared, deployed gun trucks, APC and new weapons were given out.

We performed RECON and aerial coverage on our troops location. This is the same thing any PMC will do if they come here. They have only few things to look after and Carter for.


Even if the barrack had T72s stationed there, it would have been a bad thing.

Here's Boko Haram's tactics.
1) Fast and rapid deployment of troops
2) Fast mobility
3) Spread out.
4) Long range weapons and sporadic shooting.
5) Come in large numbers.

Now let us examine this on 700 soldiers.
1) Artillery comes in consecutively..
Action: Everyone takes cover.
2) Boko Haram combines AA, howitzer etc in multiple directions.
Action: Soldiers trying to figure out the best way to repel the attack while manning defensive position and gun trucks moving into position.
Reaction : Artillery lands on troops vehicle since the guns and projectiles are being fired in multiple direction. You start taking casualty. After about 10 minutes, suppressive fire wasn't working and bht damage radius starts increasing.

Available options.

Deploy Mortars very fast to prevent them from advancing. Keep firing IFV, rockets on bht position ( we field rockets deployed on light skinned but not widely used.)

You can only match them with similar fire power and not soldiers with riffles.


God bless you for these simple yet analytic explanation. wink

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