Even Beegeaglesblog seems to buy the idea of using tethered drones.

Xbee007:
Even Beegeaglesblog seems to buy the idea of using tethered drones.

He meant a different thing entirely.

The meaning of Tethering a UAV to sniper and mortar teams is very different from tethered UAV over a base.

lionel4power:

He meant a different thing entirely.

The meaning of Tethering a UAV to sniper and mortar teams is very different from tethered UAV over a base.

Seriously IMO the guys there r over thinking

Teams r better off with hand launched UAVs

bidexiii:



I don't know why the Airforce did not use drone to maximise the kill percentage

The UAV May not be readily available. A fast response was needed so an available jet was sent in hit the target.

nemesis8u:


UAV UCAV utility in my opinion is overblown thanks to western media.

I have witnessed sudden temp fluctuations leading to moderate cross winds forcing UAVs to kiss the ground.

UAVs cannot take off if wind conditions r unfavorable etc etc

only high capability high flying UAVs r able to deliver the required performance most of the times and importantly not all the time.

Even minimal optimal Aerodynamic stability in all weather conditions is a big ask for most of the UAVs

Also in real world maintening LOS links with the UAV is like a poker game of sorts . Atmospheric fluctuations more than often plays spoilsport.

UAVs must be utilised but in a complementary role, main emphasis should be on platforms which we can control more effectively and r immune to external uncontrollable factors.


Let us not fall prey to perceptions , real world is a unforgiving place for man and machines

100%

lionel4power:

He meant a different thing entirely.

The meaning of Tethering a UAV to sniper and mortar teams is very different from tethered UAV over a base.

Can you explain what Tethering drone to a sniper or mortar team means

And abeg add pictures of drone being tethered to snipers and mortar teams that cannot be used for base defense.

I don't know how drone tethered to a sniper in Jilli base would have been more effective than a tethered drone with birds eye view of the base and its environs.

*I think Beegeaglesblog is following this thread.

Xbee007:

Can you explain what Tethering drone to a sniper or mortar team means

And abeg add pictures of drone being tethered to snipers and mortar teams that cannot be used for base defense.

Tethering a drone to a ground team means tasking the drone to receive mission information and data from the ground team. And also to furnish them with situational data relevant to the operation at hand.

While tethered drone is a type of uav that receives and transmit information through a wired or wireless link depending on the technology involved.

Number 1) Tethering a drone to a ground team


Number 2)
a tethered drone

Xbee007:

Can you explain what Tethering drone to a sniper or mortar team means

And abeg add pictures of drone being tethered to snipers and mortar teams that cannot be used for base defense.

I don't know how drone tethered to a sniper in Jilli base would have been more effective than a tethered drone with birds eye view of the base and its environs.

*I think Beegeaglesblog is following this thread.

Let's do a quiz of sorts

What is so contradicting about what beegsblog wrote

lionel4power:

Tethering a drone to a ground team means tasking the drone to receive mission information and data from the ground team. And also to furnish them with situational data relevant to the operation at hand.

While tethered drone is a type of uav that receives and transmit information through a wired or wireless link depending on the technology involved.

Number 1) Tethering a drone to a ground team


Number 2)
a tethered drone

Thanks.

[quote author=Xbee007 post=69580353]
Can you explain what Tethering drone to a sniper or mortar team means

And abeg add pictures of drone being tethered to snipers and mortar teams that cannot be used for base defense.

I don't know how drone tethered to a sniper in Jilli base would have been more effective than a tethered drone with birds eye view of the base and its environs.

*I think Beegeaglesblog is following this thread.[/quote]


Sure.

nemesis8u:


Let's do a quiz of sorts

What is so contradicting about what beegsblog wrote

bidexiii:
Sure.

I see.

nemesis8u:


Let's do a quiz of sorts

What is so contradicting about what beegsblog wrote

I can't see it.

Xbee007:

I can't see it.

bidexiii:

The question is not clear ?

Well I will give the answer

What's the point in a sniper team having a tethered UAV ?

Is it not contradicting the purpose of the sniper team ie remain incognito

A UAV hovering with a cable running down in the middle of nowhere or a tower or a building is like a big Las Vegas billboard " WANT SOME FUN "

Or a fire magnet for enemy snipers.

The snipers teams don't need to have their own tethered UAVs when they can simply access the feed from a offsite high performance high altitude tethered UAV ( out of reach of enemy counter fire ) safely and covertly over wireless or cable links

Xbee007:
Thanks.

you're welcome

nemesis8u:




The question is not clear ?

Well I will give the answer

What's the point in a sniper team having a tethered UAV ?

Is it not contradicting the purpose of the sniper team ie remain incognito

A UAV hovering with a cable running down in the middle of nowhere or a tower or a building is like a big Las Vegas billboard " WANT SOME FUN "

Or a fire magnet for enemy snipers.

The snipers teams don't need to have their own tethered UAVs when they can simply access the feed from a high performance high altitude tethered UAV ( out of reach of enemy counter fire ) safely and covertly over wireless or cable links

the concept of this "tethered UAV or Tethering a UAV" is just a cool way of saying.... Using a drone on the battlefield, on a tactical level.

Simple.

It will be fun though to have lots of tethered UAV dummies filled with helium placed all over the base.

lionel4power:
the concept of this "tethered UAV or Tethering a UAV" is just a cool way of saying.... Using a drone on the battlefield, on a tactical level.

Simple.

My personal opinion

( using u r words with my insertions)

" tethered UAV or Tethering a UAV is just a cool way of saying.... Using a mast mounted sensor on the battlefield, on a tactical level "

A aerial vehicle ( manned or unmanned ) if tethered is no longer a aerial vehicle perse atleast in operational terms

A tethered UAV like a mast mounted sensor offers the advantage of altitude and hence increased LOS
And is more manageable

nemesis8u:




The question is not clear ?

Well I will give the answer

What's the point in a sniper team having a tethered UAV ?

Is it not contradicting the purpose of the sniper team ie remain incognito

A UAV hovering with a cable running down in the middle of nowhere or a tower or a building is like a big Las Vegas billboard " WANT SOME FUN "

Or a fire magnet for enemy snipers.

The snipers teams don't need to have their own tethered UAVs when they can simply access the feed from a offsite high performance high altitude tethered UAV ( out of reach of enemy counter fire ) safely and covertly over wireless or cable links

That was what I thought at first. Snipers are supposed to be concealed but Lionel explained that "tethered" here was (as I understood his point) a verb. So a wireless DJI drone could be tethered to a Sniper team or Mortar Team.

nemesis8u:




My personal opinion

( using u r words with my insertions)

" tethered UAV or Tethering a UAV is just a cool way of saying.... Using a mast mounted sensor on the battlefield, on a tactical level "

A aerial vehicle ( manned or unmanned ) if tethered is no longer a aerial vehicle perse atleast in operational terms

A tethered UAV like a mast mounted sensor offers the advantage of altitude and hence increased LOS
And is more manageable

Plus cheaper to operate and maintain.

And it can't be shot down

lionel4power:

Plus cheaper to operate and maintain.

And it can't be shot down

A tethered UAV can be shot down

lionel4power:

Plus cheaper to operate and maintain.

And it can't be shot down

What UAV can't be shot down?

Xbee007:

That was what I thought at first. Snipers are supposed to be concealed but Lionel explained that "tethered" here was (as I understood his point) a verb. So a wireless DJI drone could be tethered to a Sniper team or Mortar Team.

To tether a UAV = to have a cable attached to a UAV

It transfers the power to run the UAV from the power source on the ground.

The cable can also transfer the feed back to the operator on ground or if desired the feed can be transferred over wireless link from the UAV itself

Xbee007:


What UAV can't be shot down?

nemesis8u:


A tethered UAV can be shot down

I was referring to a mast mounted sensor which is way more realistic than a tethered UAV in today's battlefield.

lionel4power:




I was referring to a mast mounted sensor which is way more realistic than a tethered UAV

Yes, depending on the operational requirements

off-topic..

lebuhsi:
off-topic..

Micro tactical nukes

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This is the nature of the treacherous terrain troops face especially during the raining season.
Let's always keep them in prayers.

nemesis8u:


Yes, depending on the operational requirements

I would have said a tethered blimp but they're not exactly small plus there are bases scattered from town to town I think.
I'm not too clued up on what would not be cost prohibitive that moving becomes expensive or a logistical nightmare. Security radars are possible alternatives.

Another might be via use of cctv poles that can be assembled or disassembled. Our unstable electricity may be a problem. If not that, solar may be used but it has to be properly maintained.

If those systems above are overkill or expensive, perimeter defence should have minimum specs.

BlackBaron:

I would have said a tethered blimp but they're not exactly small plus there are bases scattered from town to town I think.
I'm not too clued up on what would not be cost prohibitive that moving becomes expensive or a logistical nightmare. Security radars are possible alternatives.

Another might be via use of cctv poles that can be assembled or disassembled. Our unstable electricity may be a problem. If not that, solar may be used but it has to be properly maintained.

If those systems above are overkill or expensive, perimeter defence should have minimum specs.

It's simply

Give me ur

1. Operational requirements
2. Budget

I will have the solutions

Eg.

If u have a small base / outpost / observation post
Then

1. Mast mounted radar / EO on a mobile vehicle
Range of sensors 15km

2. Tripod mounted BFSR battlefield surveillance radar short range with optional EO , man portable and < 3 minutes to set up

If u have a battalion sized base in a active zone

1. High altitude Tethered UAV with long range EO pod , preferably mounted on a mobile vehicle along with a dedicated power supply vehicle. Range of sensors 20km. More costly

2. Mast mounted medium range radars / EO on a mobile vehicle . Mast raisable to 30m . Max setup time not more than 15-20 minutes. Range 50 km

In high risk areas solar power is not used , they r mostly used for unattended sensors along borders

Portable rechargeable power pack r used for man portable sensors.

For vehicle mounted systems , a power generation vehicle is used which contains DG sets

Range of detection for different systems varies with the different targets

Eg for tripod BFSR-SR

Crawling Man - 800 m
Walking man - 3 km
Group of people - 8 km
Light vehicles - 10 km
Heavy vehicles - 15 km