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Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by torkmoney: 8:11am On Aug 12, 2018
Most churches don't appiont women as head of branches.
And they are few churches with women as the vision carriers
I wonder. Is this biblical?

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Re: Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by torkmoney: 8:12am On Aug 12, 2018
Morals are more often determined by popularity or political correctness than by the simple truth. This is not how we should approach the Bible’s teachings, no matter how sensitive the lesson to be learned can be.

When you consider that more than 60 percent of all practicing Christians are women, this dynamic between truth and popularity can be especially volatile when exploring the subject of women’s ordination. The question of women’s roles in the church, and whether or not they ought to be pastors and elders, is under serious debate within many churches. Both sides of the argument stir strongly held beliefs—which is why I want to approach this topic not only with great caution but, more important, much prayer and humility.

Laying the Groundwork
A discussion about the Bible, men, and women in this culture leaves the door wide open to impassioned and often false interpretations of biblical lessons, so I want to lay out a foundation of how we should approach this issue together. We must each ask ourselves: What is my view of the Bible? Is it God’s Word, or is it just the thoughts of men? Does it contain errors, and if it does, can we decipher those errors from what is true?

For instance, many who advocate the position that the Bible sees no difference at all between men and women in the church and the family must often discard very pointed remarks from Paul’s letters, sometimes without any textual reason for doing so. Paul, they suggest, made an error—but on what basis do they come to that conclusion?

Another question each Christian must consider is this: If the Bible teaches something that I am uncomfortable with, will I still obey it? That is, are we as individuals the final arbiters of truth? If we consider that we are the authors of truth, we put ourselves on a dangerous path. As Christians, we must resist falling prey to our “instincts,” because the prevailing thoughts and value systems of the world can influence our thinking in unbiblical ways.

Indeed, the most fundamental basis for Christians is that Christ says if we love Him, we will obey Him. We must stand for the truth that God has shown us in His Word. That’s why I have written this booklet based on the following principles:

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:16).

When God’s people have been unfaithful to Him, negative consequences follow.

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Re: Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by torkmoney: 8:12am On Aug 12, 2018
The Family and the Church
At the end of Creation week, God not only established the Sabbath (Genesis 2:1–3) but also the family (Genesis 2:18, 21–24). And in the last days, we will see Satan not only attacking those who remain faithful to the Sabbath, but he will also strike at man’s most intimate relationship—the family. In fact, this battle has already begun.



Any victory by the devil in the war against the family is ultimately reflected in the church. The very survival of both society and the church leans heavily upon the family unit. In this unit, seen not only in God’s Word but also His creation, we find a basic truth: Men are fathers, and women are mothers.



As we shall see later, men and women are without question equal as humans, but they are also entirely unique as creatures. They are not only distinct sexually, but almost every other aspect of their natures is different as well. I believe these differences should be apparent, maintained, and even emphasized in everything, from the way we walk and talk to the way we work and dress. Men should never try to be women, and women should never try to be men. Now, I am not a male chauvinist. I wash dishes, change diapers, and make beds. In the 1970s, my mother was a leading voice in the women’s liberation movement (now called the feminist movement) in North America. Very articulate and outspoken, she even wrote an entire album of songs dedicated to women’s rights. And like her, I firmly believe that men and women should get equal pay for equal work.



My mother also left the movement because it turned into something else. She saw feminism becoming more about angry women who wanted to be like men rather than attaining the rightful respect for being a woman. And this is the feminism, albeit more refined, that is pushing its agenda into churches with a frightening degree of success today. Of course, I expect this influence in the world. However, when it seeps into the body of Christ disguised as an “improvement,” it often signals a very serious problem.



This movement in our church is partly the result of some Christians, who have an earnest desire to reach the world with the message of salvation, naively trying to increase their influence by adopting popular social philosophy. In an attempt to reverse the injustice against women throughout the ages, they have allowed the feminist movement to push the church beyond voting rights and equal pay into the arena of unisex thinking.



And by substituting a politically correct but biblically inaccurate social philosophy as their guide, they are inadvertently erasing any biblical distinction between men and women. Often when an organization seeks to correct some wrong policy, it overcorrects. I fear this is the case of the church, which has a valid need to create more avenues for women to use their gifts of ministry. However, this need is being translated by some into a problematic desire for women to be ordained as pastors and elders

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Re: Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by Aonkuuse(m): 8:24am On Aug 12, 2018
nothing is wrong with that, Women are also under the redemption of christ

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Re: Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by topgear(m): 8:24am On Aug 12, 2018
I think this is a good question.
Cuz the bible says women shud submit to their husbands and a woman's place is under the authority of a man.
I wonder if this is also applicable to the church.

It is a fact that no women was ordained as a priest or prophet in the bible but women were involved in evangelism and also ministered to men but they were Neva ordained.

I think biblicaly women are allowed to preach and minister but not lead as a General overseer or head of a congregation.

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Re: Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by topgear(m): 8:30am On Aug 12, 2018
Re: Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by NOETHNICITY(m): 8:50am On Aug 12, 2018
The fact that women are already leading congregations against biblical doctrine tells how hale-wire things have gone

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Re: Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by Emmafe(m): 8:50am On Aug 12, 2018
Why not

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Re: Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by sonsomegrigbo: 8:50am On Aug 12, 2018
Christianity is practice based on initiative and not according to the scripture

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Re: Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by Nobody: 8:51am On Aug 12, 2018
torkmoney:
Morals are more often determined by popularity or political correctness.

Another question each Christian must consider is this: If the Bible teaches something that I am uncomfortable with, will I still obey it? That is, are we as individuals the final arbiters of truth? If we consider that we are the authors of truth, we put ourselves on a dangerous path. As Christians, we must resist falling prey to our “instincts,” because the prevailing thoughts and value systems of the world can influence our thinking in unbiblical ways.
OP, what is the meaning of the emboldened Abeg? So, it's no longer about what the bible says, but about 'comfort'? If the bible preaches against rape, but I find this preaching 'uncomfortable ', seeing that I'm the 'final arbiter of truth', does it mean I can rightly practice rape?

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Re: Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by Tinalex(f): 8:51am On Aug 12, 2018
Yada yada yada....women this women that. You guyz should get a life!!!!

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Re: Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by dhardline(m): 8:51am On Aug 12, 2018
Capital NO
1 Corinthians 14:34 KJV
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

Everything has an order, God put that order in place. Do not seek

to upsurp that order. We are to worship God in spirit and in truth

not in flesh and our truth. Don use mental knowledge to judge

spiritual matters. God's law is law.

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Re: Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by Krak(m): 8:51am On Aug 12, 2018
He or She who the cap fits let them wear it. As long as the person is competent enough to fulfil the duties of that position, who am I to say no?
Re: Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by edicied: 8:52am On Aug 12, 2018
Feminism hasn't entered the Church yet grin
Re: Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by ednut1(m): 8:52am On Aug 12, 2018
I love religion

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Re: Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by dafemnet: 8:53am On Aug 12, 2018
No from the bible

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Re: Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by fineboynl(m): 8:55am On Aug 12, 2018
no

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Re: Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by lx3as(m): 8:55am On Aug 12, 2018
NOETHNICITY:
The fact that women are already leading congregations against biblical doctrine tells how hale-wire things have gone

Maybe you should read Galatians Chapter 3, from beginning to end.

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Re: Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by Uyi168: 8:56am On Aug 12, 2018
1timothy 2:11-72
1corinthians11:3
...the bible's very clear on that..

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Re: Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by LordofNaija: 8:56am On Aug 12, 2018
torkmoney:
The Family and the Church
At the end of Creation week, God not only established the Sabbath (Genesis 2:1–3) but also the family (Genesis 2:18, 21–24). And in the last days, we will see Satan not only attacking those who remain faithful to the Sabbath, but he will also strike at man’s most intimate relationship—the family. In fact, this battle has already begun.
All these thesis for a simple yes or no question.abeg don't forget to cite your references while not also forgetting the aim of the study


Any victory by the devil in the war against the family is ultimately reflected in the church. The very survival of both society and the church leans heavily upon the family unit. In this unit, seen not only in God’s Word but also His creation, we find a basic truth: Men are fathers, and women are mothers.



As we shall see later, men and women are without question equal as humans, but they are also entirely unique as creatures. They are not only distinct sexually, but almost every other aspect of their natures is different as well. I believe these differences should be apparent, maintained, and even emphasized in everything, from the way we walk and talk to the way we work and dress. Men should never try to be women, and women should never try to be men. Now, I am not a male chauvinist. I wash dishes, change diapers, and make beds. In the 1970s, my mother was a leading voice in the women’s liberation movement (now called the feminist movement) in North America. Very articulate and outspoken, she even wrote an entire album of songs dedicated to women’s rights. And like her, I firmly believe that men and women should get equal pay for equal work.



My mother also left the movement because it turned into something else. She saw feminism becoming more about angry women who wanted to be like men rather than attaining the rightful respect for being a woman. And this is the feminism, albeit more refined, that is pushing its agenda into churches with a frightening degree of success today. Of course, I expect this influence in the world. However, when it seeps into the body of Christ disguised as an “improvement,” it often signals a very serious problem.



This movement in our church is partly the result of some Christians, who have an earnest desire to reach the world with the message of salvation, naively trying to increase their influence by adopting popular social philosophy. In an attempt to reverse the injustice against women throughout the ages, they have allowed the feminist movement to push the church beyond voting rights and equal pay into the arena of unisex thinking.



And by substituting a politically correct but biblically inaccurate social philosophy as their guide, they are inadvertently erasing any biblical distinction between men and women. Often when an organization seeks to correct some wrong policy, it overcorrects. I fear this is the case of the church, which has a valid need to create more avenues for women to use their gifts of ministry. However, this need is being translated by some into a problematic desire for women to be ordained as pastors and elders
Re: Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by LordofNaija: 8:57am On Aug 12, 2018
torkmoney:
Morals are more often determined by popularity or political correctness than by the simple truth. This is not how we should approach the Bible’s teachings, no matter how sensitive the lesson to be learned can be.

When you consider that more than 60 percent of all practicing Christians are women, this dynamic between truth and popularity can be especially volatile when exploring the subject of women’s ordination. The question of women’s roles in the church, and whether or not they ought to be pastors and elders, is under serious debate within many churches. Both sides of the argument stir strongly held beliefs—which is why I want to approach this topic not only with great caution but, more important, much prayer and humility.

Laying the Groundwork
A discussion about the Bible, men, and women in this culture leaves the door wide open to impassioned and often false interpretations of biblical lessons, so I want to lay out a foundation of how we should approach this issue together. We must each ask ourselves: What is my view of the Bible? Is it God’s Word, or is it just the thoughts of men? Does it contain errors, and if it does, can we decipher those errors from what is true?

For instance, many who advocate the position that the Bible sees no difference at all between men and women in the church and the family must often discard very pointed remarks from Paul’s letters, sometimes without any textual reason for doing so. Paul, they suggest, made an error—but on what basis do they come to that conclusion?

Another question each Christian must consider is this: If the Bible teaches something that I am uncomfortable with, will I still obey it? That is, are we as individuals the final arbiters of truth? If we consider that we are the authors of truth, we put ourselves on a dangerous path. As Christians, we must resist falling prey to our “instincts,” because the prevailing thoughts and value systems of the world can influence our thinking in unbiblical ways.

Indeed, the most fundamental basis for Christians is that Christ says if we love Him, we will obey Him. We must stand for the truth that God has shown us in His Word. That’s why I have written this booklet based on the following principles:

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:16).

When God’s people have been unfaithful to Him, negative consequences follow.
All this thesis for a simple yes or no question.abeg don't forget to cite your references while not also forgetting the aim of the study

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Re: Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by chiommy123(f): 8:58am On Aug 12, 2018
but the bible says women should keep silence in the church

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Re: Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by NORSIYK(m): 8:59am On Aug 12, 2018
In 1 Corinthians 14 Paul says that women must be silent in churches and ask questions to their husbands when they get home:

(Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. (1 Corinthians 14:34-35, NIV)



But today this is completely ignored in many churches, especially those churches that have the so called daddy GOs.

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Re: Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by realmindz: 8:59am On Aug 12, 2018
It's a thing of shame, the greatest book of all time has said it all and proven that women are inferior to men. Feminist should either practice feminism or religion, they can't do both.




1 Corinthians 14:34-35
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

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Re: Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by emerged01(m): 9:00am On Aug 12, 2018
NOETHNICITY:
The fact that women are already leading congregations against biblical doctrine tells how hale-wire things have gone
How is it against biblical doctrine? Pls shed more light.
Re: Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by Nobody: 9:03am On Aug 12, 2018
Try telling Joyce Meyer, Juanita Bynum, Bobbie Houston, Anita C. Hill, Paula White and more that they shouldn't be leading their churches because they're women. smiley

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Re: Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by Maximus85(m): 9:03am On Aug 12, 2018
topgear:
I think this is a good question.
Cuz the bible says women shud submit to their husbands and a woman's place is under the authority of a man.
I wonder if this is also applicable to the church.

It is a fact that no women was ordained as a priest or prophet in the bible but women were involved in evangelism and also ministered to men but they were Neva ordained.

I think biblicaly women are allowed to preach and minister but not lead as a General overseer or head of a congregation.


You're 100% correct. No woman should pray while a man bow his head. It's disrespect for God's arrangement. The head of every woman is the man, the head of the church is Jesus, the head of Jesus is God Almighty.

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Re: Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by sureheaven(m): 9:05am On Aug 12, 2018
The Bible condemned it the Old Testament but since Jesus had come, most of those errors have been corrected.

Woman can stand on the alter and preach in the church so far such woman isn’t menstruating.
Re: Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by MuttleyLaff: 9:05am On Aug 12, 2018
ednut1:
I love religion
1/ What is religion that God approves and that is true, pure and faultless?
2/ What exactly, is it in this religion that you do love?
Re: Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by AkpaMgbor(m): 9:10am On Aug 12, 2018
sureheaven:
The Bible condemned it the Old Testament but since Jesus had come, most of those errors have been corrected.

Woman can stand on the alter and preach in the church so far such woman isn’t menstruating.
After the crucifixion of Christ, women became much more active in spreading the gospel..they were the first people Christ appeared to from the grave..they were instrumental in movement of the early churches..apostle Paul used to thank them for hosting Christian converts in their homes..they were ministers and preachers of the good news...especially to the gentiles..

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Re: Should Women Lead A Congregation Or A Church? by Oasis007(m): 9:11am On Aug 12, 2018
sureheaven:
The Bible condemned it the Old Testament but since Jesus had come, most of those errors have been corrected.

Woman can stand on the alter and preach in the church so far such woman isn’t menstruating.

grin

So you believe there are Errors in the Bible?! There ain't Errors in the Bible Bruh..... we should endeavor to follow the Teachings of the Holy Book, and both Old and New Testaments are Words of God.

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