If anyone wants to become a TRUE Christian, you must first know that ONLY Jehovah is perfect and that you can't trace to notice HIS mistakes. Even Jesus the ONLY begotten son of God made mistakes but if you're not very attentive you can never notice it because Jesus always correct Himself IMMEDIATELY! Why because He is the FIRST born of God. Unlike other faithful servants of God who do make mistakes and won't realize it until much later to correct it Jesus will correct Himself quickly before an imperfect mortal man could notice it. So if you're looking for a perfect set of Apostles with no mistakes of organizational directives or doctrinal matters, then you better forget about Christianity because those whose ACTS were recorded in the Bible surely made several mistakes yet the SPIRIT is saying "whoever wants to worship God ACCEPTABLY must obey them" And that never implies that God will now approve several forms of worship simply because those in charge of HIS people made mistakes NO! HE will rather go angry with great rage against anyone who defies HIS chosen ones. So what must a honest hearted person searching for pure worship do? You only need to IDENTIFY God's organization and try as much as possible to remain loyal to HIS arrangements because HE will not approve all forms of worship neither can you find PERFECT persons handling or shepherding HIS congregation. God bless you!

TATIME:
If anyone wants to become a TRUE Christian, you must first know that ONLY Jehovah is perfect and that you can't trace to notice HIS mistakes. Even Jesus the ONLY begotten son of God made mistakes but if you're not very attentive you can never notice it because Jesus always correct Himself IMMEDIATELY! Why because He is the FIRST born of God. Unlike other faithful servants of God who do make mistakes and won't realize it until much later to correct it Jesus will correct Himself quickly before an imperfect mortal man could notice it. So if you're looking for a perfect set of Apostles with no mistakes of organizational directives or doctrinal matters, then you better forget about Christianity because those whose ACTS were recorded in the Bible surely made several mistakes yet the SPIRIT is saying "whoever wants to worship God ACCEPTABLY must obey them" God bless you!

If Catholics make mistakes in doctrinal matters you will call them false religion but if your religion makes mistakes in doctrinal matters you will say it's a true religion ruled by imperfect men. Hypocrisy at it's peak.
Did God say you should obey imperfect men who are uninspired and fallible and can err in doctrinal matters and organizational direction? Wow

Hairyrapunzel:


If Catholics make mistakes in doctrinal matters you will call them false religion but if your religion makes mistakes in doctrinal matters you will say it's a true religion ruled by imperfect men. Hypocrisy at it's peak.
Did God say you should obey imperfect men who are uninspired and fallible and can err in doctrinal matters and organizational direction? Wow

YES! God said so in the Bible book of Matthew 16:19 Acts 2:41-47 and you can see how the arrangement this same Apostles began actually led to the sudden death of a Christian couple and how they stopped that silly arrangement instantly "never to be repeated"! So if you're not ready to be a Christian, no one is forcing you and you shouldn't expect us to condone disobedience simply because our leaders erred in doctrinal issues and organizational arrangements just like the first century Christians. It's either you stay or move away, if you're a Catholic and you realize that their religion is wrong yet you want to remain a Catholic no one is forcing you to leave. Moreover if you noticed that the religion is false and you wish to leave no one will force you to continue, that's why there is freedom of expression and worship until God destroys those that are surely false!

TATIME:
Thank God you agreed that even those who were SPIRIT FILLED and ANOINTED made serious mistakes and some of Jesus' disciples defied them! Everyone today will say "i agreed that those first century Apostles were anointed" but is it not after they are gone and you're now reading about them in the Bible that you agreed? What about most of their contemporaries who decided to turn their backs on the Apostles? What do you think made such first century Christians to turn their backs on the Apostles? Could it have been due to the OBVIOUS frequent mistakes made by this first century Apostles that triggered such disobedience? I'm asking all these questions because it was also recorded that many of those who followed Jesus while He was still on earth later turned their backs on the Apostles and don't forget that Jesus said whatever those imperfect 12 bind or loosen on earth will also be bind or loosened in heaven! Moreover it's evident that Jesus' statement in Matthew 16:18-20 was not heard by everyone EXCEPT those 12. So do you think a Christian who wasn't present to hear Jesus utter such speech of authorization would continue following those imperfect 12 after noticing their mistakes? God bless you!

With all what you've written, you're saying that you beleive the GB are the only anointed ones/ Gods channel which God uses today out of the over 8 billion people on earth. Are you comparing the anointed apostles to the GB today? Lol
Even with the ever changing doctrines that has caused a lot of innocent lives. Would the holy spirit inspire a set of people to write down things theat would lead to thousands of peoples death?

I asked you for the evidence that the Governing body is inspired by the holy spirit. None!

I showed you the bibles command for christians to submit to higher authorities(government) which the organization directed by the GB has failed to adhere to by covering Child abuse cases. This same organization criticized the catholics in the 1980s so bad in their publications because of this same child abuse cases. Isn't that hypocricy?

Are you telling me the GB now have the same power the apostles had back then? Everyone then knew the kind of power the apostles had. Its their choice if they chose to disobey or speak against them. Stop bringing up that baseless excuse. People have talked against God himself.


Stop evading my questions.
Answer this in particular- What do you think about the GBs involvement with the UN as an ngo?

capitalzero:
Jws have been dealing with rebels more than 100 years ago. Organisation is still moving ahead. Most people who have stopped associating with jws do that for several reasons. out of curiorisity I have read books,articles written by former jws to discredit jws. I can tell you many of them are looking for personal glory which you will never get as a jw. member of gb was once disfellowshipped and nothing happened.

They thought over 8,000,000 dedicated individuals from different countries,tribes,tongues,cultures and traditions across the globe are just following the GB blindly without a good reason. When the RULES prayed and agreed upon by the BODY binds on all members. I wonder what they're thinking with their brains, after seeing it black and white in the Bible that the same thing happened in the first century when the Apostles prayed and concluded upon issues yet they still made mistakes later whereas whoever raises his/her tongue against those faithful men will never see everlasting life! Well they're sons of disobedience that's why they're restless not knowing where to go yet calling those who are happily following God's anointed servants to abandon pure worship for NOTHING!

TATIME:
YES! God said so in the Bible book of Matthew 16:19 Acts 2:41-47 and you can see how the arrangement this same Apostles began actually led to the sudden death of a Christian couple and how they stopped that silly arrangement instantly "never to be repeated"! So if you're not ready to be a Christian, no one is forcing you and you shouldn't expect us to condone disobedience simply because our leaders erred in doctrinal issues and organizational arrangements just like the first century Christians. It's either you stay or move away, if you're a Catholic and you realize that their religion is wrong yet you want to remain a Catholic no one is forcing you to leave. Moreover if you noticed that the religion is false and you wish to leave no one will force you to continue, that's why there is freedom of expression and worship until God destroys those that are surely false!

You are jw and you discover your religion is false if you leave you get disfellowshipped and shunned.
There are consequences for leaving your cult. Yet you call Catholics false religion for excommunicating people who leave the church to become jws. Hypocrisy.


Stop the no one is forcing you to stay bullshit. We all know that when someone leaves your religion they get disfellowshipped and subsequently shunned by family and friends. Normal cult behavior

TATIME:
If anyone wants to become a TRUE Christian, you must first know that ONLY Jehovah is perfect and that you can't trace to notice HIS mistakes. Even Jesus the ONLY begotten son of God made mistakes but if you're not very attentive you can never notice it because Jesus always correct Himself IMMEDIATELY! Why because He is the FIRST born of God. Unlike other faithful servants of God who do make mistakes and won't realize it until much later to correct it Jesus will correct Himself quickly before an imperfect mortal man could notice it. So if you're looking for a perfect set of Apostles with no mistakes of organizational directives or doctrinal matters, then you better forget about Christianity because those whose ACTS were recorded in the Bible surely made several mistakes yet the SPIRIT is saying "whoever wants to worship God ACCEPTABLY must obey them" And that never implies that God will now approve several forms of worship simply because those in charge of HIS people made mistakes NO! HE will rather go angry with great rage against anyone who defies HIS chosen ones. So what must a honest hearted person searching for pure worship do? You only need to IDENTIFY God's organization and try as much as possible to remain loyal to HIS arrangements because HE will not approve all forms of worship neither can you find PERFECT persons handling or shepherding HIS congregation. God bless you!

You sound so hypocritical bro

Look at what a watchtower article said


The Watchtower, July 1st 1996 Issue, Page 7:

How Does God View Christendom's Worship?

No doubt, many priests live morally chaste lives, but a large number do not. According to the 1992 Britannica Book of the Year, the Roman Catholic Church was reported to have paid out $300 million to settle cases of clergy sexual abuse.

[...]

“The Church Leader Should Be Without Fault”

THIS expression is from Titus 1:7, according to Today’s English Version. The King James Version reads: “A bishop must be blameless.” The word “bishop” comes from a Greek word meaning “overseer.” Thus men who are appointed to take the lead in the true Christian congregation must live up to basic Bible standards. If they do not, they must be removed from their position of oversight, since they are no longer “examples to the flock.” (1 Peter 5:2, 3) How seriously is this requirement taken by Christendom’s churches?

In his book I Care About Your Marriage, Dr. Everett Worthington refers to a survey of 100 pastors in the state of Virginia, U.S.A. Over 40 percent admitted to having engaged in some form of passion-arousing conduct with someone who was not their marriage partner. A large number of them had committed adultery.

“Over the past decade,” observes Christianity Today, “the church has been repeatedly staggered by revelations of immoral conduct by some of its most respected leaders.” The article “Why Adulterous Pastors Should Not Be Restored” challenged the common practice in Christendom of quickly restoring church leaders to their former positions after they have been “convicted of sexual sin.”

Another one!!


''The Watchtower, March 1st 1998 Issue, Page 4:

Several prelates have followed the pope’s example. In December 1994 the Italian newspaper Il Giornale reported: “Many American bishops appeared on television and publicly asked forgiveness.” For what? For underestimating the problem of pedophile priests, to the detriment of many young victims. In January 1995 the newspaper La Repubblica reported on “a gesture unprecedented in the history of contemporary Catholicism”—the problem of Pope Pius XII’s silence in connection with the Holocaust was addressed. In January 1995 the same newspaper reported that the German episcopate asked forgiveness for the “many faults” of Roman Catholics who supported the crimes of the Nazis. Various Protestant churches have also subjected themselves to self-criticism.

Why?

The Bible encourages us to ask forgiveness when we are at fault, and many applaud the churches when they subject themselves to self-criticism. (James 5:16) But why are the churches doing this? How should it affect the way we view them?


Is the roman catholic not even better than the Jws condemning them when the Jws themselves hide child abuse cases?''

TATIME:
They thought over 8,000,000 dedicated individuals from different countries,tribes,tongues,cultures and traditions across the globe are just following the GB blindly without a good reason. When the RULES prayed and agreed upon by the BODY binds on all members. I wonder what they're thinking with their brains, after seeing it black and white in the Bible that the same thing happened in the first century when the Apostles prayed and concluded upon issues yet they still made mistakes later whereas whoever raises his/her tongue against those faithful men will never see everlasting life! Well they're sons of disobedience that's why they're restless not knowing where to go yet calling those who are happily following God's anointed servants to abandon pure worship for NOTHING!

Look at what you're saying? Look at what your watchtower says!



The Watchtower, July 1st 1996 Issue, Page 7:

''The Church Leader Should Be Without Fault”

''A bishop must be blameless.” The word “bishop” comes from a Greek word meaning “overseer.” Thus men who are appointed to take the lead in the true Christian congregation must live up to basic Bible standards. If they do not, they must be removed from their position of oversight, since they are no longer “examples to the flock.” (1 Peter 5:2, 3) How seriously is this requirement taken by Christendom’s churches?''

Do you now know more than the GB?
God bless you

TATIME:
They thought over 8,000,000 dedicated individuals from different countries,tribes,tongues,cultures and traditions across the globe are just following the GB blindly without a good reason. When the RULES prayed and agreed upon by the BODY binds on all members. I wonder what they're thinking with their brains, after seeing it black and white in the Bible that the same thing happened in the first century when the Apostles prayed and concluded upon issues yet they still made mistakes later whereas whoever raises his/her tongue against those faithful men will never see everlasting life! Well they're sons of disobedience that's why they're restless not knowing where to go yet calling those who are happily following God's anointed servants to abandon pure worship for NOTHING!

When you disobey governing body rules you get punished. How won't you follow governing body blindly? People have been talking about the evil committed by your governing body members. Trust me no Armageddon has come and no Armageddon is ever going to come to destroy them. Get it in your head.

Bible never said those who raise their tongue against any governing body will not see everlasting life. Be saying what isn't in the Bible. Continue quoting magazine lines for us and keep exposing your cult.

Listening to faithful men aka gb who reside in new york will lead to everlasting life because these men in new York told you so. Na wa o. No bible verse to support your doctrine only watchtower magazines. What a cult.

search4truth:


With all what you've written, you're saying that you beleive the GB are the only anointed ones/ Gods channel which God uses today out of the over 8 billion people on earth. Are you comparing the anointed apostles to the GB today? Lol
Even with the ever changing doctrines that has caused a lot of innocent lives. Would the holy spirit inspire a set of people to write down things theat would lead to thousands of peoples death?

I asked you for the evidence that the Governing body is inspired by the holy spirit. None!

I showed you the bibles command for christians to submit to higher authorities(government) which the organization directed by the GB has failed to adhere to by covering Child abuse cases. This same organization criticized the catholics in the 1980s so bad in their publications because of this same child abuse cases. Isn't that hypocricy?

Are you telling me the GB now have the same power the apostles had back then? Everyone then knew the kind of power the apostles had. Its their choice if they chose to disobey or speak against them. Stop bringing up that baseless excuse. People have talked against God himself.


Stop evading my questions.
Answer this in particular- What do you think about the GBs involvement with the UN as an ngo?

The Bible is clear that the power to perform signs,see visions,speak in tongues and do other spectacular things will stop amongst TRUE Christians and that it will only remain the LOVE to continue been obedient to the organization that will remains! 1Corinthians 13:8-13 Truly this happened and it was a gradual process until the completion of the Bible so that TRUE Christians must have to hope,believe and endure no matter the mistakes those taking the lead in God's organization makes! 1Corinthians 13:4-7 Did you hear Apostle Paul saying about the Christian LOVE? So if you're not ready to be a Christian suit yourself, but know that a dedicated Christian will continue to be obedient and submissive to those taking the lead in God's organization! We're Jehovah's Witnesses, whoever is not with us is FREE to take his/her leave because we stand on what Jesus said that the LOVE (mentioned later by Apostle Paul) of many TRUE Christians will grow cold and many will leave but Jesus said whoever ENDURES to the end will be saved. Matthew 24:10-13 Meanwhile the work Jesus commanded will continue to be done by who? Of course by those who REMAINS with God's organization. Matthew 24:14 And then! And then!! And then!!! THE END(of all these wicked system of things) WILL COME! So be FULLY prepared to take your stand!

TATIME:
The Bible is clear that the power to perform signs,see visions,speak in tongues and do other spectacular things will stop amongst TRUE Christians and that it will only remain the LOVE to continue been obedient to the organization that will remains! 1Corinthians 13:8-13 Truly this happened and it was a gradual process until the completion of the Bible so that TRUE Christians must have to hope,believe and endure no matter the mistakes those taking the lead in God's organization makes! 1Corinthians 13:4-7 Did you hear Apostle Paul saying about the Christian LOVE? So if you're not ready to be a Christian suit yourself, but know that a dedicated Christian will continue to be obedient and submissive to those taking the lead in God's organization! We're Jehovah's Witnesses, whoever is not with us is FREE to take his/her leave because we stand on what Jesus said that the LOVE (mentioned later by Apostle Paul) of many TRUE Christians will grow cold and many will leave but Jesus said whoever ENDURES to the end will be saved. Matthew 24:10-13 Meanwhile the work Jesus commanded will continue to be done by who? Of course by those who REMAINS with God's organization. Matthew 24:14 And then! And then!! And then!!! THE END(of all these wicked system of things) WILL COME! So be FULLY prepared to take your stand!

Remove the word free from the organization. You can't leave the org less you risk been shunned. Where's that freedom of worship then? Yet the organization benefits from the freedom of worship granted them by the US and other countries. Another form of hypocricy.

Who are the true Christians you're referring to exactly? Please answer

Do you mean its only the Jws that preach?

If that was the case, what accounts for the growth of other religions and Christianity becoming the largest religious group globally? Can the largely unknown message distributed by 8 million Witnesses really be thought of as having more relevance to Jesus prophecy than the spread of Christianity by Catholics that has resulted in over 1 billion members?


Both Mormons and Seventh-day Adventists started at a similar period of time as the Watchtower Society and have similar numbers of members due to their active preaching. Seventh-day Adventists successfully preach the good news, including at peoples homes. See the following quote from the Seven Day Adventist Church Manual:

"Our highest responsibility is to the church and its commission to preach the gospel of the kingdom to all the world." Chapter 13

Paul shows that not every Christian would actively evangelise.

Ephesians 4:11-12 "And he gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelizers, some as shepherds and teachers, with a view to the readjustment of the holy ones, for ministerial work, for the building up of the body of the Christ ..."

Christian groups that do not have a door to door ministry often contain well organized evangelical programs. For instance, a group renowned for their preaching efforts are Baptists. Baptists have the most missionaries of any religion. In 2004 there were 7 million Baptists out side of America, 600,000 baptisms and 21,000 new churches. In 2004 Witnesses baptised only 200,000 globally. Interesting information on the significant efforts of Baptist missionaries can be viewed at internationalministries.org and namb.net.

search4truth:


Look at what you're saying? Look at what your watchtower says!



The Watchtower, July 1st 1996 Issue, Page 7:

''The Church Leader Should Be Without Fault”

''A bishop must be blameless.” The word “bishop” comes from a Greek word meaning “overseer.” Thus men who are appointed to take the lead in the true Christian congregation must live up to basic Bible standards. If they do not, they must be removed from their position of oversight, since they are no longer “examples to the flock.” (1 Peter 5:2, 3) How seriously is this requirement taken by Christendom’s churches?''

Do you now know more than the GB?
God bless you

You just keep amusing me my friend. The Bible said a Bishop should be BLAMELESS not PERFECT! Meaning he should exact himself vigorously to remain chaste in all respect and not to become PERFECT without errors in doctrinal issues or organizational arrangements because even the first century Apostles made MISTAKES in this respect but each of them remains blameless as in not committing fornication,adultery,stealing and so on! If you surely want to know the truth as you put your profile name it is as EASY as Akam and Moimoi!

TATIME:
You just keep amusing me my friend. The Bible said a Bishop should be BLAMELESS not PERFECT! Meaning he should exact himself vigorously to remain chaste in all respect and not to become PERFECT without errors in doctrinal issues or organizational arrangements because even the first century Apostles made MISTAKES in this respect but each of them remains blameless as in not committing fornication,adultery,stealing and so on! If you surely want to know the truth as you put your profile name it is as EASY as Akam and Moimoi!

Youre Funny bro.. You just keep bringing up excuses

This same article by watchtower said the bishop/priest should be removed since they are no more good examples to the flock. But i guess that doesn't apply to the GB.

Besides you keep evading my question about the GB involvement with the UN. What excuse do you want to give me?

search4truth:


Remove the word free from the organization. You can't leave the org less you risk been shunned. Where's that freedom of worship then? Yet the organization benefits from the freedom of worship granted them by the US and other countries. Another form of hypocricy.

Who are the true Christians you're referring to exactly? Please answer

Do you mean its only the Jws that preach?

If that was the case, what accounts for the growth of other religions and Christianity becoming the largest religious group globally? Can the largely unknown message distributed by 8 million Witnesses really be thought of as having more relevance to Jesus prophecy than the spread of Christianity by Catholics that has resulted in over 1 billion members?


Both Mormons and Seventh-day Adventists started at a similar period of time as the Watchtower Society and have similar numbers of members due to their active preaching. Seventh-day Adventists successfully preach the good news, including at peoples homes. See the following quote from the Seven Day Adventist Church Manual:

"Our highest responsibility is to the church and its commission to preach the gospel of the kingdom to all the world." Chapter 13

Paul shows that not every Christian would actively evangelise.

Ephesians 4:11-12 "And he gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelizers, some as shepherds and teachers, with a view to the readjustment of the holy ones, for ministerial work, for the building up of the body of the Christ ..."

Christian groups that do not have a door to door ministry often contain well organized evangelical programs. For instance, a group renowned for their preaching efforts are Baptists. Baptists have the most missionaries of any religion. In 2004 there were 7 million Baptists out side of America, 600,000 baptisms and 21,000 new churches. In 2004 Witnesses baptised only 200,000 globally. Interesting information on the significant efforts of Baptist missionaries can be viewed at internationalministries.org and namb.net.

Good! So go and join them in worshiping "tha Lord" and forget about Jehovah's Witnesses because to us there is just ONE God ONE faith and ONE baptism (Ephesians 4:3-6) resulting in ONE single organization. And if you're not worshiping in that organization we're sure that you're not worshiping our own God period!

TATIME:
Good! So go and join them in worshiping "tha Lord" and forget about Jehovah's Witnesses because to us there is just ONE God ONE faith and ONE baptism (Ephesians 4:3-6) resulting in ONE single organization. And if you're not worshiping in that organization we're sure that you're not worshiping our own God period!

According to you bro.. Even if we sense false teachings in our religion we should still stay back and wait for Jehovah to correct things right?

Look at watch our watchtower says


''10. What should be our position regarding false religion?

10 What position should true worshippers take regarding Babylon the Great? In no uncertain terms, the Bible commands: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.” (Revelation 18:4) Those who want to be spared must get out of false religion before it is too late. When on earth, Jesus Christ foretold that in the last days, many would merely claim to follow him. (Matthew 24:3-5) To such ones, he says: “I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness.” (Matthew 7:23) The now enthroned King, Jesus Christ, has nothing to do with false religion.''
w06 3/15 pp. 27-31


I guess this doesn't apply to those in the organization that wants to leave because they don't beleive in the teachings again.
Another example of double standard by watchtower
You don't want people to talk bad about the org but the org can talk bad about other good Christians out there.

Peace bro

search4truth:

Youre Funny bro.. You just keep bringing up excuses

This same article by watchtower said the bishop/priest should be removed since they are no more good examples to the flock. But i guess that doesn't apply to the GB.

Besides you keep evading my question about the GB involvement with the UN. What excuse do you want to give me?

I'm not giving you excuses my friend, i'm just telling you the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS of what you've been MISQUOTING. KNOWLEDGE is "the accumulation of useful information" that you can get anywhere but WISDOM is "the practical applications of accumulated information for lasting benefits" i'm sorry my friend you can only get that in no other place but in Jehovah's organization so keep searching for pure worship until you're able to present a BETTER organization in replacement of JW.org!

search4truth:

According to you bro.. Even if we sense false teachings in our religion we should still stay back and wait for Jehovah to correct things right?

Look at watch our watchtower says


''10. What should be our position regarding false religion?

10 What position should true worshippers take regarding Babylon the Great? In no uncertain terms, the Bible commands: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.” (Revelation 18:4) Those who want to be spared must get out of false religion before it is too late. When on earth, Jesus Christ foretold that in the last days, many would merely claim to follow him. (Matthew 24:3-5) To such ones, he says: “I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness.” (Matthew 7:23) The now enthroned King, Jesus Christ, has nothing to do with false religion.''
w06 3/15 pp. 27-31


I guess this doesn't apply to those in the organization that wants to leave because they don't beleive in the teachings again.
Another example of double standard by watchtower
You don't want people to talk bad about the org but the org can talk bad about other good Christians out there.

Peace bro

You can continue misquoting my statements but until you're able to present a REPLACEMENT for JW.org,i'll say see you later!

TATIME:
I'm not giving you excuses my friend, i'm just telling you the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS of what you've been MISQUOTING. KNOWLEDGE is "the accumulation of useful information" that you can get anywhere but WISDOM is "the practical applications of accumulated information for lasting benefits" i'm sorry my friend you can only get that in no other place but in Jehovah's organization so keep searching for pure worship until you're able to present a BETTER organization in replacement of JW.org!

Wow.. I'm sure you're so scared of researching about the organizations involvement in politics with the UN. The GB thinks for you and they've told you all websites apart form jw
org are apostate websites. Lol.. another sign they are hiding things.

You just don't want to beleive it can happen.
You keep omitting that part of my question.
I know how it feels. I was once like you until I discovered those things i know now.
It can be so devastating getting to know these at first.

TATIME:
You can continue misquoting my statements but until you're able to present a REPLACEMENT for JW.org,i'll say see you later!

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TATIME:
You can continue misquoting my statements but until you're able to present a REPLACEMENT for JW.org,i'll say see you later!

JWs say, "Jehovah has always had an organization." I say, "Jehovah has never had an organization that hasn't let him down." if anything the history of Jehovah's dealing with mankind show us to stay clear of organization. Which did Jehovah favour, having a king or temporary judges who would step in during times of trouble and exit when their job was done?

If God has always had an organization, Where was it from 100 CE up thru 1879? and if Jehovah always had an organization why didn't Russell join it?

Have you wondered that Every organization basically turned on God. Adam and Eve? The Israelites? The 1st century Christians?

What makes the JW's or the future Paradise dwellers any different?


Do you mean one cannot be saved without being in an organization?

TATIME:
They thought over 8,000,000 dedicated individuals from different countries,tribes,tongues,cultures and traditions across the globe are just following the GB blindly without a good reason. When the RULES prayed and agreed upon by the BODY binds on all members. I wonder what they're thinking with their brains, after seeing it black and white in the Bible that the same thing happened in the first century when the Apostles prayed and concluded upon issues yet they still made mistakes later whereas whoever raises his/her tongue against those faithful men will never see everlasting life! Well they're sons of disobedience that's why they're restless not knowing where to go yet calling those who are happily following God's anointed servants to abandon pure worship for NOTHING!

Thank you. Do not mind them. They think of themselves as wise persons but their reasoning is foolishness. I have met some of them in the ministry pretending as interested persons but they cannot withstand superior argument. I know the history of jw very well. I have many facts from non-jw sources and I can say these apostates are spreading half- truths to discredit jws. I remember around 1993,a church leader told me that Br Russel was a womanizer. as a curious person, I did a lot of research. later I found out that he lied. and many cases like that. If you want to get accurate information about jws, read all publications of jws from 1879 and correlate your findings with unbiased secular sources,not from disgruntled elements.

capitalzero:


Thank you. Do not mind them. They think of themselves as wise persons but their reasoning is foolishness. I have met some of them in the ministry pretending as interested persons but they cannot withstand superior argument. I know the history of jw very well. I have many facts from non-jw sources and I can say these apostates are spreading half- truths to discredit jws. I remember around 1993,a church leader told me that Br Russel was a womanizer. as a curious person, I did a lot of research. later I found out that he lied. and many cases like that. If you want to get accurate information about jws, read all publications of jws from 1879 and correlate your findings with unbiased secular sources,not from disgruntled elements.

I'm from a Muslim background my brother and in Islam we knew that we've got too many facts to discredit the churches but it's ONLY Jehovah's Witnesses that's giving us a hard nut to crack. So i decided to make a thorough research about the group and that's how i became a TRUE Christian at last. As for any further investigation, i don't need it again because Lord Jesus said WISDOM is justified by her children. Luke 7:35 That's why i keep asking these good for nothing Apostates to present a better Christian group,i thought they'll mention one but they would have seen the greatest shock as i will show them the falsehood EASILY in all other groups claiming Christians. So let them continue with their rebellion!

search4truth:


JWs say, "Jehovah has always had an organization." I say, "Jehovah has never had an organization that hasn't let him down." if anything the history of Jehovah's dealing with mankind show us to stay clear of organization. Which did Jehovah favour, having a king or temporary judges who would step in during times of trouble and exit when their job was done?

If God has always had an organization, Where was it from 100 CE up thru 1879? and if Jehovah always had an organization why didn't Russell join it?

Have you wondered that Every organization basically turned on God. Adam and Eve? The Israelites? The 1st century Christians?

What makes the JW's or the future Paradise dwellers any different?


Do you mean one cannot be saved without being in an organization?

Oh Yes you can be saved without an organization, just as Noah's contemporaries outside the ORGANIZED Ack escaped the deluge, just as the contemporaries of ORGANISED Lot's family in Sodom ans Gomorrah escaped the destruction of those two cities, just as one of the Egyptians pursuing the ORGANISED Israelites escaped the red sea,just as one of the false prophets against Elijah escaped death,just as Jews who ignored the warning given to ORGANIZED first century Christians escaped the destruction of Jerusalem. Well many would be saved after all they're also claiming Christians PREACHING and TEACHING thoroughly about "God's kingdom" that Jesus commanded His FAITHFUL followers to keep on preaching in all seasons! You know as a human i can deceive anybody just as anybody can also deceive me but i will never ever forgive myself if i dare venture to deceive my own very self.

You must be born by the Holy Spirit to know your true Relationship with The Father and Jesus Christ Whom He has sent.

TATIME:
Oh Yes you can be saved without an organization, just as Noah's contemporaries outside the ORGANIZED Ack escaped the deluge, just as the contemporaries of ORGANISED Lot's family in Sodom ans Gomorrah escaped the destruction of those two cities, just as one of the Egyptians pursuing the ORGANISED Israelites escaped the red sea,just as one of the false prophets against Elijah escaped death,just as Jews who ignored the warning given to ORGANIZED first century Christians escaped the destruction of Jerusalem. Well many would be saved after all they're also claiming Christians PREACHING and TEACHING thoroughly about "God's kingdom" that Jesus commanded His FAITHFUL followers to keep on preaching in all seasons! You know as a human i can deceive anybody just as anybody can also deceive me but i will never ever forgive myself if i dare venture to deceive my own very self.

I'm done arguing with you since youre not open minded. You already beleive those allegations against watchtower are famse even though they are true like the child abuse, involvement with the UN, mexican-malwai scandal and others.
You claim they are lies when we have sites like jwfacts.com that is not biased and they give evidence to all what they.
When you become open minded, we can keep talking.

Concerning organization. With your logic, Christians that are perfectly following christ and God by keeping the bible commandents, doing good works and imitating Christlike behaviours would not survive armageddon because they don't belong to a christian organization. That means muslim or other non- Christians have no chance at all according to your logic.

You have succesfuy evaded many questions. I'm done arguing with you

Checkout www.jwfacts.com
If you feel they are wrong then we can talk

TATIME:
Oh Yes you can be saved without an organization, just as Noah's contemporaries outside the ORGANIZED Ack escaped the deluge, just as the contemporaries of ORGANISED Lot's family in Sodom ans Gomorrah escaped the destruction of those two cities, just as one of the Egyptians pursuing the ORGANISED Israelites escaped the red sea,just as one of the false prophets against Elijah escaped death,just as Jews who ignored the warning given to ORGANIZED first century Christians escaped the destruction of Jerusalem. Well many would be saved after all they're also claiming Christians PREACHING and TEACHING thoroughly about "God's kingdom" that Jesus commanded His FAITHFUL followers to keep on preaching in all seasons! You know as a human i can deceive anybody just as anybody can also deceive me but i will never ever forgive myself if i dare venture to deceive my own very self.

TATIME: Oh Yes you can be saved without an organization,

Achorladey: Yes, you are doing better, in fact this is in line with what Peter said in John 6:68 and of course what Jesus himself said in John 14:6. Please abandon this "organisation concept" there is no backing scripturally for that.

TATIME: just as Noah's contemporaries outside the ORGANIZED Ack escaped the deluge, just as the contemporaries of ORGANISED Lot's family in Sodom ans Gomorrah escaped the destruction of those two cities, just as one of the Egyptians pursuing the ORGANISED Israelites escaped the red sea,just as one of the false prophets against Elijah escaped death,just as Jews who ignored the warning given to ORGANIZED first century Christians escaped the destruction of Jerusalem.

Achorladey: ORGANISED is different from ORGANISATION. You need to differentiate that first. As regards noah and the ark, what does the ark correponds? Answer: Watchtower March 2018 First study article paragraph 3-4 It is there faith in God and being willing to do all God commanded them to do that saved Noah and his household not the organizational skills of Noah or the ark.

The closest thing to God having an organization on earth is the NATION OF ISRAEL. You wouldn't want us to analyse their records as being a bad example an organization led by humans can be.


TATIME: Well many would be saved after all they're also claiming Christians PREACHING and TEACHING thoroughly about "God's kingdom"

Achorladey: Just go back and read Luke 18: 18-29 Emphasis on verse 26,2728, 29. Verse 28 Peter said to him "we have all left all we had to follow you" Peter did not say "we have all left all we had to follow organisation.

The weekly bible reading for last week. LUKE 18-19

Verse 27 tells you and I that, salvation that you think is impossible for some people not within the confines of the organisation you subscribed and adhere to is possible with God. What do you think?


TATIME: that Jesus commanded His FAITHFUL followers to keep on preaching in all seasons!

Achorladey: Are other religious organisations preaching about Jesus christ His FAITHFUL FOLLOWERS? Are other religious organisations preaching in all seasons? Don't make it seem like it is JW thing alone before the name JW came into existence, were Christians not preaching? The good news was been spread continually.

TATIME: You know as a human i can deceive anybody just as anybody can also deceive me but i will never ever forgive myself if i dare venture to deceive my own very self.

Achorladey: I love the sense of scrutiny you exhibit in your conclusion but Jeremiah 17:9 says the heart can be desperate. You must constantly check whether your still in the same faith Jude verse 3 states

Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that WAS ONCE FOR ALL ENTRUSTED to God's holy people.

TATIME:
The Bible is clear that the power to perform signs,see visions,speak in tongues and do other spectacular things will stop amongst TRUE Christians and that it will only remain the LOVE to continue been obedient to the organization that will remains! 1Corinthians 13:8-13 Truly this happened and it was a gradual process until the completion of the Bible so that TRUE Christians must have to hope,believe and endure no matter the mistakes those taking the lead in God's organization makes! 1Corinthians 13:4-7 Did you hear Apostle Paul saying about the Christian LOVE? So if you're not ready to be a Christian suit yourself, but know that a dedicated Christian will continue to be obedient and submissive to those taking the lead in God's organization! We're Jehovah's Witnesses, whoever is not with us is FREE to take his/her leave because we stand on what Jesus said that the LOVE (mentioned later by Apostle Paul) of many TRUE Christians will grow cold and many will leave but Jesus said whoever ENDURES to the end will be saved. Matthew 24:10-13 Meanwhile the work Jesus commanded will continue to be done by who? Of course by those who REMAINS with God's organization. Matthew 24:14 And then! And then!! And then!!! THE END(of all these wicked system of things) WILL COME! So be FULLY prepared to take your stand!

So you are actively waiting for this wicked system of things to end? It's like you guys know more than your Jehovah. You people always move faster than him in terms of stating when the end will come. Una go wait tire.

TATIME:
Oh Yes you can be saved without an organization, just as Noah's contemporaries outside the ORGANIZED Ack escaped the deluge, just as the contemporaries of ORGANISED Lot's family in Sodom ans Gomorrah escaped the destruction of those two cities, just as one of the Egyptians pursuing the ORGANISED Israelites escaped the red sea,just as one of the false prophets against Elijah escaped death,just as Jews who ignored the warning given to ORGANIZED first century Christians escaped the destruction of Jerusalem. Well many would be saved after all they're also claiming Christians PREACHING and TEACHING thoroughly about "God's kingdom" that Jesus commanded His FAITHFUL followers to keep on preaching in all seasons! You know as a human i can deceive anybody just as anybody can also deceive me but i will never ever forgive myself if i dare venture to deceive my own very self.

Noah had his family, lot and his two daughters, the Israelites, Elijah was one man, first century Christians had churches or congregations,
In all these you have quoted nowhere did they say they where organised or an organisation in the Bible.
God used people, eg a man, a family, an ethnic group etc and never at any time used a worldwide organisation or a publishing company with a government in new York city.


And in all of these situations you even quoted not one led to everlasting life. See how you guys twist and change the Bible so your doctrines will be acceptable in your ears.
It's just pity I feel for you guys. You guys are programmed to live in lifelong fear. Fear of being slaughtered by an all loving God. Interesting. Lol
You people need psychiatric help.

search4truth:

I'm done arguing with you since youre not open minded. You already beleive those allegations against watchtower are famse even though they are true like the child abuse, involvement with the UN, mexican-malwai scandal and others.
You claim they are lies when we have sites like jwfacts.com that is not biased and they give evidence to all what they.
When you become open minded, we can keep talking.

Concerning organization. With your logic, Christians that are perfectly following christ and God by keeping the bible commandents, doing good works and imitating Christlike behaviours would not survive armageddon because they don't belong to a christian organization. That means muslim or other non- Christians have no chance at all according to your logic.

You have succesfuy evaded many questions. I'm done arguing with you

Checkout www.jwfacts.com
If you feel they are wrong then we can talk

Oh sorry ooooo so you thought i was trying to argue with you? Lailai! When the Bible said "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" and Jesus was convicted of all the atrocities going on right from the garden of Eden till now,why worry yourself about any crime committed under the Sun when Jesus pleaded GUILTY to all the charges,that's why any kind of evil you have committed in your entire life Jesus is ready to bare the consequences for you as long as you're ready to remain SUBMISSIVE to His IMPERFECT chosen ones,He pleaded GUILTY to all atrocities! Therefore whatever allegations you have against His followers we're pleading GUILTY just like our Master, Lord and King. If Jesus pleaded guilty without committing a single act of wickedness who are the GB of JW to argue with you that they're not guilty One single thing i'm begging you to do is "present another organization just to REPLACE this BAD one" lobatan. We're not disputing guilty or not guilty with you,what we're saying is that as far as CORRECTION of past mistakes as sinners pleading GUILTY is concerned Jehovah's Witnesses organization is number ONE that's why you see us making amendments because we believe we're SINNERS (one prone to blunders) If you're in a PERFECT organization that's not committing mistakes that needed amendments please present it to us.

TATIME:
Oh sorry ooooo so you thought i was trying to argue with you? Lailai! When the Bible said "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" and Jesus was convicted of all the atrocities going on right from the garden of Eden till now,why worry yourself about any crime committed under the Sun when Jesus pleaded GUILTY to all the charges,that's why any kind of evil you have committed in your entire life Jesus is ready to bare the consequences for you as long as you're ready to remain SUBMISSIVE to His IMPERFECT chosen ones,He pleaded GUILTY to all atrocities! Therefore whatever allegations you have against His followers we're pleading GUILTY just like our Master, Lord and King. If Jesus pleaded guilty without committing a single act of wickedness who are the GB of JW to argue with you that they're not guilty One single thing i'm begging you to do is "present another organization just to REPLACE this BAD one" lobatan. We're not disputing guilty or not guilty with you,what we're saying is that as far as CORRECTION of past mistakes as sinners pleading GUILTY is concerned Jehovah's Witnesses organization is number ONE that's why you see us making amendments because we believe we're SINNERS (one prone to blunders) If you're in a PERFECT organization that's not committing mistakes that needed amendments please present it to us.

Must you belong to a religious organisation/publishing company? You long to be in a group that's why you joined a cult. You want to leave one cult and join another? Na wa. It's people like you who joined jim Jones people's temple

TATIME:
Oh sorry ooooo so you thought i was trying to argue with you? Lailai! When the Bible said "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" and Jesus was convicted of all the atrocities going on right from the garden of Eden till now,why worry yourself about any crime committed under the Sun when Jesus pleaded GUILTY to all the charges,that's why any kind of evil you have committed in your entire life Jesus is ready to bare the consequences for you as long as you're ready to remain SUBMISSIVE to His IMPERFECT chosen ones,He pleaded GUILTY to all atrocities! Therefore whatever allegations you have against His followers we're pleading GUILTY just like our Master, Lord and King. If Jesus pleaded guilty without committing a single act of wickedness who are the GB of JW to argue with you that they're not guilty One single thing i'm begging you to do is "present another organization just to REPLACE this BAD one" lobatan. We're not disputing guilty or not guilty with you,what we're saying is that as far as CORRECTION of past mistakes as sinners pleading GUILTY is concerned Jehovah's Witnesses organization is number ONE that's why you see us making amendments because we believe we're SINNERS (one prone to blunders) If you're in a PERFECT organization that's not committing mistakes that needed amendments please present it to us.

You really dealt with this slanderers . Jehovah God is your strength . I love your personal experience .