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0balufonlll:
This exactly how this man exposes himself as a fraud.

This man just jampacked Ogun’s chant with Esu in that line. He was supposed to write:

For Esu: ’Esu ola ilu ogiri oko, elekun sukun, Esu sun eje’.

And for Ogun: ‘Ogun ola kari aye, osin imole, olomi nile fi eje we’.

This fraud of a man took two lines from two different deities & blended them all because he wanted to appear original to his backers & unsuspecting folks.

This Olu knows nothing academically & traditionally speaking yet he won’t fall back to learn. How I wish you were at Esu sacred spot saying reciting that, you would have been his minced meat in days to come. You need get of Nairaland & spend your days like every reasonable person to learn properly.

...Teacher, , I can see your ignorance. But are you using typo error as your strength? Come up with another thing . Even your own information on part of Esu's oriki was wrong . May be,you didn't see the edited version ?.. .
You seem to forget easily

Obalufon:
bro ..i need more information on monkey story by your friend absolute.. he real makes lots of sense with the yoruba Hebrew connection . but there are little flaws on his long write up.. Esu is not devil there is nothing devil in ife or yoruba tradition. and the story of gbo too
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But why is this particular monkey venerated in traditional beliefs of the Yorubas? What makes it so special?

2. Does this mean that the Yoruba ancestors had some ideas on human evolution?

Youruba Mythology on Ijimere

There are so many myths on ijimere but I will state these two

According to Yoruba tradition, Ijimere is the red patas monkey . And the myth is that the Ijimere was once a human being and devoted follower of the great god, Orunmila. As a human being, Ijimere was a highly-gifted hunter who also had overflowing powers of magic. But on one occasion, he committed an act of disloyalty against Orunmila who out of anger placed a heavy curse on Ijimere and he was transformed into the monkey that he is today. The myth goes further that although Ijimere retains some of its human features, the curse meant that it will forever live inside the forest but will be superior to other animals in intelligence.

Another myth states that Ijimere was produced when a woman mated with an ape but scientifically that is not even a possibility. However, the ifa myth that gave us this line is called Owonrin Meji and according to that divination narrative, Ijimere then asked that he become the first masquerader named Labala for ’in this form his animal features would be covered up’.


Edun and Twin connection.

Ẹ̀jìrẹ́ ará ìṣokún.
Ẹdúnjobí
Ọmọ ẹdun tíí ṣeré orí igi
Ọ́-bẹ́-kẹ́ṣé-bẹ́-kàṣà
Meanwhile,the Edun specie is the brown/black monkey and the oriki of Ibeji as, the Edunjobi.....it amazes...

MayorofLagos:
Very interesting inputs. Absolutesuccess, I want to comment on your contribution. There are grades of proficiency in letter writing and style, the most coveted is the 'wordsmith" grade. Very few have earned the credit to be called wordsmith. You sir, are a grade above wordsmith. I bow in awe and honour to your intelligence and creativity. God bless you and increase your knowledge and well of inspiration. Amen!

Much respect sir, mayor

You have the words of a visionary leader who believes in the ability of his people, may you live to fulfill your good dreams in the land of your fathers and their fathers before them. Happy independent bro.

Wa sa role baba re o,
wa saa role baba re ye,
Kori je o pe l'aye.

0balufonlll:
Lol what manner of nonsense is this? Did you read what you wrote? Do you actually think you could stand in the front of professors of History & hinge your nonsense on quran? A mythical conjectural crap? Are you serious?

Do you even realize that the fact that the Torah, Bible & Quran not agreeing on what is what makes it impossible to consult any of these books for anything non-spiritual? Heck, it does not even qualify as a secondary source. What manner of human are you? .

You are all talk & no substance. While I see you for allegedly citing Ifa - I hold reservation because you did not mention the odu & your quoted Ifa but you can not separate myth from fact in the same Ifa. We know your type - an ogberi is easy to detect. After reading & listening to several Ifa sources you come out to act like an authority without ever stepping into an Igbo’du. We have seen a number of y’all in African-Americans & Latin-Americans on Facebook.

Historiography says that we should investigate social, political & economic relations between groups before accepting what they recorded about each other - oral or written. Applying this, Aras/quran writers already concluded Jews were inadequate & they were the legitimate people of god. This fact makes you Jew/Monkey BS subjective & not a thing to be taken seriously. For example, it is like Egba writing about Oyo or Ife writing about Modakeke. So please pocket that nonsense you posted.

Finally, uncle, the ape reference the Caucasians use to qualify the negro stemmed from prejudiced social factors stemming from supposed crude ways of the negros which where strange (not inferior) to the caucasians. It is not an extension of thr religious hatred Arabs had for Jews, a totally different peoples from negroid Yoruba.

So you are saying Yoruba were/Arabs while Olu’s angle is that Yorua are Jews. At what point una go converge? . Ihan oniranu gbogbo.

I don't have to engage you as you have already engaged yourself: you can't write for the Yoruba either, as long as this people cannot cross boundaries and attempt to write for one another, and by your own standard, you can hold your 'Yoruba came from Ife' to this scrutiny as well, and once done, your fact will become enshrined. I purposely left out the title of the Odu I referenced so as to act as caveat emptor.

But the foolish you that has been to Igbodu and back could not tell the verse I've just misconstrued, nor intelligent enough to interpret the English version of the same Odu that I carefully interpreted into English and place in a bracket for your kind of clever allegations.

So, if you can't do this, how would you understand that what I believe as to Yoruba origin is suppose to be slightly different to what Olu believes since we are not learning from one historical book? And If you reduce Yoruba history to mere myth, an aspect of tradition smarter than your childish claims, what will you do of other peoples material? You can always shred, but you can never produce your own.

Please bro, I don't want to engage more fools, I need my time for other profitable engagements. As to Ifa, go to Ado to learn, I hails from Ago babalawo maternally at Idolehin, Ado Odo. My grandfather is one. As a child, I was bathed in this tradition before I was taken to the church, both are my natural heritage as a man, it is you who stole the tradition from others that must be punish to learn it.

i know you will find some funky or fanciful ways to present the Caucasian angle since its useful to your past and future claims, so we are waiting for you, the better slave, to tell us how we evolve at Ile Ife, your brother claim its the source, so seperate the fact from the myth and give us the fact that elude us as Yoruba.

Abinibi yato si ability, go and worship your prof.

OlaoChi:
With every post and your desperation for admirers and people seeing your post on the homepage, you expose yourself as really after nairaland fame, so you can defraud people
This is the way you want to hustle poverty is not good rárá

Now that you know, kindly continue what you needed to do to stop it.

Fellow, I love poverty so much, its my primary constituency, it is.

keep being very happy bro, I am a very poor person.

absoluteSuccess:
Now that you know, kindly continue what you needed to do to stop it.

Fellow, I love poverty so much, its my primary constituency, it is.

keep being very happy bro, I am a very poor person.

Now that you know, kindly continue what you needed to do to stop it.

Fellow, I love poverty so much, its my primary constituency, it is.

keep being very happy bro, despite these clowns attitude . Just imagine that guy doubting my ancestors strength ? Ooo boi, ài sí ní'lè ogínní, ìlè d'ílè èkútè.

My prayer is for he obalufonIII to post his ancestors oriki in oranmiyan descendant so that he will dread me forever.... Ìgbàyén lo mà mó pè kijipa kí sè àwó.

Olu317:
But why is this particular monkey venerated in traditional beliefs of the Yorubas? What makes it so special?

2. Does this mean that the Yoruba ancestors had some ideas on human evolution?

Youruba Mythology on Ijimere

There are so many myths on ijimere but I will state these two

According to Yoruba tradition, Ijimere is the red patas monkey . And the myth is that the Ijimere was once a human being and devoted follower of the great god, Orunmila. As a human being, Ijimere was a highly-gifted hunter who also had overflowing powers of magic. But on one occasion, he committed an act of disloyalty against Orunmila who out of anger placed a heavy curse on Ijimere and he was transformed into the monkey that he is today. The myth goes further that although Ijimere retains some of its human features, the curse meant that it will forever live inside the forest but will be superior to other animals in intelligence.

Another myth states that Ijimere was produced when a woman mated with an ape but scientifically that is not even a possibility. However, the ifa myth that gave us this line is called Owonrin Meji and according to that divination narrative, Ijimere then asked that he become the first masquerader named Labala for ’in this form his animal features would be covered up’.


Edun and Twin connection.

Ẹ̀jìrẹ́ ará ìṣokún.
Ẹdúnjobí
Ọmọ ẹdun tíí ṣeré orí igi
Ọ́-bẹ́-kẹ́ṣé-bẹ́-kàṣà
Meanwhile,the Edun specie is the brown/black monkey and the oriki of Ibeji as, the Edunjobi.....it amazes...

..even some Oriki are emi omo ejo

Olu317:
But why is this particular monkey venerated in traditional beliefs of the Yorubas? What makes it so special?

2. Does this mean that the Yoruba ancestors had some ideas on human evolution?

Youruba Mythology on Ijimere

There are so many myths on ijimere but I will state these two

According to Yoruba tradition, Ijimere is the red patas monkey . And the myth is that the Ijimere was once a human being and devoted follower of the great god, Orunmila. As a human being, Ijimere was a highly-gifted hunter who also had overflowing powers of magic. But on one occasion, he committed an act of disloyalty against Orunmila who out of anger placed a heavy curse on Ijimere and he was transformed into the monkey that he is today. The myth goes further that although Ijimere retains some of its human features, the curse meant that it will forever live inside the forest but will be superior to other animals in intelligence.

Another myth states that Ijimere was produced when a woman mated with an ape but scientifically that is not even a possibility. However, the ifa myth that gave us this line is called Owonrin Meji and according to that divination narrative, Ijimere then asked that he become the first masquerader named Labala for ’in this form his animal features would be covered up’.


Edun and Twin connection.

Ẹ̀jìrẹ́ ará ìṣokún.
Ẹdúnjobí
Ọmọ ẹdun tíí ṣeré orí igi
Ọ́-bẹ́-kẹ́ṣé-bẹ́-kàṣà
Meanwhile,the Edun specie is the brown/black monkey and the oriki of Ibeji as, the Edunjobi.....it amazes...

even some Oriki are emi omo ejo Nla ,,Emi omo ekun..Omo erin jogun Ola ... They are attributes of ancestral lineage ..Edun has a deeper meaning than mere monkey likewise Ijmire

Obalufon:
even some Oriki are emi omo ejo Nla ,,Emi omo ekun..Omo erin jogun Ola ... They are attributes of ancestral lineage ..Edun has a deeper meaning than mere monkey likewise Ijmire

I don't doubt you . But why wait to explain what you know? I know you know a lot...... Akanda eda know you.Wise oney Teach us what you know.

Olu317:
...Teacher, , I can see your ignorance. But are you using typo error as your strength? Come up with another thing . May be,you didn't see the edited version ?.. .
You seem to forget easily

Mind you, Don't digress, because your ancestors ORIKI is what you need post. After all, you drew the first blood.

Lol I expect you to deflect. I suppose your alagadaogun here was a typo too?

Olu317:
Due respect to your ancestor but you lacked courtesy. I infer “lack of Courtesy" on you because you really sound boastful. I am the Great grand son of Prince Ajamaiye whose first wife lineage I belong. Owaluusi was Ajamaiye generational patrilineal. Omo Oke....... Alagadogun ( Ooni Lajaodogun) was Luusi patrilineal.

You expect me to post my Oriki so you can further perpetuate your fraud & claim my backgrounds too?

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0balufonlll:
Lol I expect you to deflect. I suppose your alagadaogun here was a typo too?

You expect me to post my Oriki so you can further perpetuate your fraud & claim my backgrounds too?

Stop this digression because you are the the liar Mr. Man, about your ancestors as being an ancestors of Giesi. So Please Post your oriki..... . I don't need your father's name nor surname but your ancestors name in oranmiyan ruling's compound Houses

Mind you, obalufon saw it, when I posted mine ,FEW DAYS AGO AS HE IS A WITNESS of MINE.

OlaoChi:
while thousands of students annually are learning Yoruba history and how Yoruba is a native African civilization
It is one unemployed guy who didn't pass jamb that wants to tell professors of history and anthropology that they are wrong

If this things you post here are what you have in the book, even your dunce friends here won't buy it

Omo ibo, what did you get your degree in, what was your major? Your case is worse than shallow, you are empty! Have you heard the word "adire" before? Do you not think the "addereth" of the Hebrews and the "adire" of the Yorubas is same, particularly in the context of that screenshot article ? Allright, where did you go to school? It can't be anywhere in Yorubaland. Jeezus!!!

Hey Obalufon,
On that monkey story, there is another myth about "amuludun" and I believe an Odu Ifa made mention of it.

0balufonlll:
LMAO, trips & noise as usual with no substance whatsoever.

If you were smart & really knew the practice of Ifa without relying on the pages of internet like your appedage Olu, you would have known that eko’fa is a continuum & the inability of one person to know, remember or identify all te verses of Ifa is the reason why Araba of each town has chiefs; reason why numerous Babalawos are present at Itefa; & the reason why numerous Babalawos are present at idafa odun. It is so that they can refresh each orher’s memories & add to the collection of ese ifa available to each person. By the way, who starts chanting Ifa without starting with the Oluwo of the ese Ifa? ‘Mr. I was bathed in agbo’.

That said, kindly fault the verse that I have shared in the piece of information that was given, I care less about the way and manner you want me to present Ifa verse to be acceptable by you, I care more about the information it has to offer. I am after its wisdom, not what I must do to please men.

Did you go for the knowledge or the practitioners charades?

During consultations, did you cite to your client the verses of Ifa or all you stated above?

Why cite Ifa verse to an Ogberi and not what it cost you to learn Ifa as you want to say?

And since you know the formalities, kindly tell us the wisdom, which can only be given in the words of Ifa itself, not the rudiment of how the initiates go about the business of initiation and preservation.

Tell us what has been preserved, its place in Yoruba history, that's what matters, not the packaging by which its presented with. Always remember the saying, 'aigbofa laa woke, ifa kan o si ni para': not knowing the word of Ifa makes one wonder, no Ifa precept is oblivious.

The words of Ifa is given at consultation, it is not until you are disciple before you are bathed in the traditions of your fathers: it is a freedom of religion in Yorubaland, and you choose to be a proselyte if you want to. I have shared the verse in light of history, tell us something in light of history, not the charades of traditions around the information preserved.

Not to waste my own time, what you want to do is to investigate Yoruba history with total disregard for the rules & works laid down by the fore-bearers in te study Yoruba history. It seems like distortion to me but well, I can not stop you from proceeding with your fantasy but I won’t hesitate to jump in if distortions about my hometown or things with obvious proof are attempted by you.

Agba osi ngbe okere, there is no rules, it is all about works: good work or bad work, what matter most is result, the end. If rules were given, is it to control information or to horde information or to tell the truth or facts of history? The means or the end, justification apply on both with time.

As for me, 'the ethics of tradition' is what is meant to guide me through the craft of Yoruba tradition, because its rules are not known to you that has no inkling to its precepts, so how do you give rules to what you don't know to exist?

P.S: I, like a lot of my peers, spend months producing & publishing my own details of history on pages of peer reviewed journals not on the pages of Nairaland.

Your choice, I have my associates here to inform, and then the general public.

MayorofLagos:
Omo ibo, what did you get your degree in, what was your major? Your case is worse than shallow, you are empty! Have you heard the word "adire" before? Do you not think the "addereth" of the Hebrews and the "adire" of the Yorubas is same, particularly in the context of that screenshot article ? Allright, where did you go to school? It can't be anywhere in Yorubaland. Jeezus!!!

My brother, I tire ooo. One of them thought and claimed, I am a theologian . Meanwhile, ‘Cognates are words in two languages that share a similar meaning, spelling, and pronunciation'. olodo rabata ni awon eniyan yi oooo

The author of the book, Hebrew and their Custom didn't study nor did research on Yoruba culture but on Ancient Hebrews oooo but here we are, with people who are contesting what they don't know . Instead of them to verify this claim, they kept mute throw negative words against, whom they ought give credit . Just imagine these set of clowns' and their brains?

What I intend to publish in the future will show the footprints of ancient Yorubas in Middle East because evidence abound in proto language.

0balufonlll:
LMAO, trips & noise as usual with no substance whatsoever.

If you were smart & really knew the practice of Ifa without relying on the pages of internet like your appedage Olu, you would have known that eko’fa is a continuum & the inability of one person to know, remember or identify all te verses of Ifa is the reason why Araba of each town has chiefs; reason why numerous Babalawos are present at Itefa; & the reason why numerous Babalawos are present at idafa odun. It is so that they can refresh each orher’s memories & add to the collection of ese ifa available to each person. By the way, who starts chanting Ifa without starting with the Oluwo of the ese Ifa? ‘Mr. I was bathed in agbo’.

Not to waste my own time, what you want to do is to investigate Yoruba history with total disregard for the rules & works laid down by the fore-bearers in te study Yoruba history. It seems like distortion to me but well, I can not stop you from proceeding with your fantasy but I won’t hesitate to jump in if distortions about my hometown or things with obvious proof are attempted by you.

P.S: I, like a lot of my peers, spend months producing & publishing my own details of history on pages of peer reviewed journals not on the pages of Nairaland.

Even those forebearers went against tradition before them to create a new thinking. Their own theories are not immune from new rules, understanding and creative inputs. By the way what do you call distortions? Proposing strong and convincing theories on Yoruba migration is a distortion? You must not be serious.

absoluteSuccess:
Much respect sir, mayor

You have the words of a visionary leader who believes in the ability of his people, may you live to fulfill your good dreams in the land of your fathers and their fathers before them. Happy independent bro.

Wa sa role baba re o,
wa saa role baba re ye,
Kori je o pe l'aye.

Ase Edumare!

Thank you my brother...Blessings of the ancestors be with you always.

MayorofLagos:
Even those forebearers went against tradition before them to create a new thinking. Their own theories are not immune from new rules, understanding and creative inputs. By the way what do you call distortions? Proposing strong and convincing theories on Yoruba migration is a distortion? You must not be serious.

What an angle...

MayorofLagos:
Ase Edumare!

Thank you my brother...Blessings of the ancestors be with you always.

Thanks too to you sir, I appreciate what we are doing, may the good God reward our days with ire gbogbo, laipe laijina.

Its time one goes to work.

see you tomorrow morning again.

Bro Olu, mori yin o, eku ojumo o, ajuwa se lagbara Olohun Alaurabi Oba Waidun o.

0balufonlll:
1. When did the Ijebu-Sudan claim begin & what did the Ijebu people/kings say before that Ijebu-Sudan time? Look at Ijebu kings & warriors told the British during Yoruba internecine wars. See Samuel Johnson or go to National Archives, Ibadan. They told the colonialists they came from Ile-Ife & they fought the wars on Ife’s side to ensure Ile-Ife is restored. Why didn’t the Ijebu king & warriors of that period which was 19th century tell the British they came from Sudan?

I will share a journal article with you. It was published in 1956. While the author did refer to Waddai/Sudan, everything he said pointed towards Ile-Ife. The paper is treated somewhat as a ‘primary source’. The paper is treated somewhat as a ‘primary source’. Here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/elsdi8dqh8zcfvk/THE%20EARLY%20HISTORY%20OF%20IJEBU.pdf?dl=0

2. The problem with the second emboldened statement is that you are confusing religious myth wit actual event. Let us look at your statement which I emboldened - Ife is the center of creation means you are refering to Ife Oodaye which involved inebriate Obatala & Oduduwa landind on earth with a chain. This is purely religious. Actual Ife history says that there were people occupying villages before Oduduwa scattered everything. In fact, the Owa Ijesa & Ekiti kings met people in the several settlements where they became king. This means human creation did not start in this Ile-Ife or anyone at that. Even science speaks of emergence of several humans at different points of history.

3. What books? Are these books certified by communities of professionals or just a group of people with wild imaginative compositions?

4. Arab culture is a literate one. If there were any evet of the migration of the magnitude ofthe Yoruba, they would know. And as you have rightly said, Ife is older than the Egypt which is the oldest civilization. Now if Ife is older than Egypt then why should Ife come out of a much younger civilization of Arab or Hebrew?

5. As for Olu, see, I have encountered him on several threads. That man is an olodo, he knows nothing. I have pointed out & corrected several of is fradulent misinformations. There was a time that theif claimed because his Oriki included ‘Alaga Ogun’ then Lajoodogun’s real name was ‘Lagadogun’ and that he was a descendant of Lajoodogun. On another thread, he claimed rams & sheeps represented Oodua & Obatala - I had to call him out for that too. Several instances of that man’s fraud abound, o yapa gan. His style is to bend a fact to suit his preconceived idea then when a person who knows the actual deal calls him out he will 1. Evade the post all together. 2. Shift goal post to another idea 3. Rabble rouse and try to deflect the entire problem to another person. Tell him not to sit in the corner of his room, invite him to Ife & show him things about Obalufon to start with and that way he can begin to develop mentally & stop relying on his imaginations of what he knows nothing about. The fraud is a write off, abeg.

Arab is a literate culture and had no reference of Yoruba migration. However you believe Ife is older than Egypt when there is nothing amongst the literate cultures of old to reference this assertion. How can we reconcile these two sides on literature and history? Which ancient writing culture wrote about Ife or about its age?

absoluteSuccess:
Thanks too to you sir, I appreciate what we are doing, may the good God reward our days with ire gbogbo, laipe laijina.

Its time one goes to work.

see you tomorrow morning again.

Bro Olu, mori yin o, eku ojumo o, ajuwa se lagbara Olohun Alaurabi Oba Waidun o.

Yes sir!

Olu317:
Now that you know, kindly continue what you needed to do to stop it.

Fellow, I love poverty so much, its my primary constituency, it is.

keep being very happy bro, despite these clowns attitude . Just imagine that guy doubting my ancestors strength ? Ooo boi, ài sí ní'lè ogínní, ìlè d'ílè èkútè.

My prayer is for he obalufonIII to post his ancestors oriki in oranmiyan descendant so that he will dread me forever.... Ìgbàyén lo mà mó pè kijipa kí sè àwó.

Lol, he would only share what happens around the presentation of the oriki with you and not the oriki itself. With them, everything is always inadequate, your points ever fed to them is inadequate, but their own point nko?

....charades.

Olu317:
Stop this digression because you are the the liar Mr. Man, about your ancestors. Please Post your oriki..... . I don't need your father's name nor surname but your ancestors name in oranmiyan ruling's compound Houses

Mind you, obalufon saw it, when I posted mine ,FEW DAYS AGO AS HE IS A WITNESS of MINE . I want you call him out and ask him. After all you and him have a relationship kind of outside NL. IF I AM LIAR, I WON'T HAVE A WITNESS AS obalufon because I have not MET him in person nor exchange mail contact .

I repeat, Post your father's ANCESTORS ORIKI IN ORANMIYAN's descendants and stop LAMENTING like a baby and let's see the GREATER PRINCE between you and I. Are you even worthy to be called a Prince? Of course not. My own ancestors sustain the throne of ‘osi' through their blood and grace of ELEDAA. while the record is their to acknowledge us. Post your ancestors Oriki, Ogbeni. I dare You

My intention, is to make you change your handle on NL because you have no RESPECT FOR OLDER ONES.

Ori eleyi o ma pe keh? .
You must think I’ll delete this handle because you’re going on & about over an oriki. You suffer from intense delusion. Since you would rather call Obalufon to tell other people about your oriki then you would have to call on the same Obalufon to tell you about my backrounds that I have already mentioned.

Your princehood goes as far as the class claimed by the sons of grade C kings. You know, if I came to your hometown I would get better treatment than you; if you came here, nobody would give a fxxk about you & your baale ancestors. . This is how you can tell the difference between you & I not on the pages of NL.

MayorofLagos:
Arab is a literate culture and had no reference of Yoruba migration. However you believe Ife is older than Egypt when there is nothing amongst the literate cultures of old to reference this assertion. How can we reconcile these two sides on literature and history? Which ancient writing culture wrote about Ife or about its age?

Good question.
I posited that emboldened because my brother Obalufon who believes in your school of thought claimed Ife is older than Egypt. How can Ife be older than the oldest known civilization then turn around to be Arab or Jew?

MayorofLagos:
Even those forebearers went against tradition before them to create a new thinking. Their own theories are not immune from new rules, understanding and creative inputs. By the way what do you call distortions? Proposing strong and convincing theories on Yoruba migration is a distortion? You must not be serious.

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