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Obalufon:
Oga ju NO do that oo... Se .olugbohun ni yi ni abi afo se ...

? You keep begging me to ignore because he claims to be from ILEIFE? Must I be a brother to a stranger who kept insulting my ancestors ? Have you not seen my ancestors name among the names of the compound names among the Ooni Ruling family compound?

Mind you that boy is FRAUD because I CONFIRM MY LEGITIMACY and he wants to see me repost the document so that he can save it and be using it. A private document is what I posted for public domain consumption, which I won't do again. As an AWO, you must not she'kè ooo. So say the truth. Lies being said and keeping mute is the reason, Yoruba cosmology information have problems. So confirm my statement if I have posted my ancestors Oriki for you to see.

obalufon, you don't need to know anything else on the internet about Laade or who Luusi? Go back to ILEIFE to verify. At least, you are opportune to see my post on Luusi. Therefore Say it to the fraudster to POST HIS ANCESTORS ORIKI because his ancestors is not known in ILEIFE as Oonis descendants. He is obalufon-obatala descendants but want something else for himself. Do you not see his Grandeur Deceit and shallowness in his interpretation of Ooni Ogunwusi's Oriki? Such interpretations is the reason I blame myself because of whom I have been quoting all along! Someone who doesn't have the grip to understand his own ancestors oriki , how would he be able to interpret another person's oriki. Indeed, it is very shocking.

‘OK so Olaochi came through with his Japanese style to show what is being done can be tried with any culture & also, your boy Olu was upset by the Japanese angle'. Does the previous quote make a sense? How can I feel bad on what someone else claim as true or lie be a problem to me? As far as I am concerned, the two of you, are children on this platform because I stood by Middle East migration account of Yoruba as others did. And you lot claim aboriginal status of Yoruba and you people shifted your opinion to Japan, please who is the inconsistent and fraudsters here if not both of you?

Below are screen shot of the lies perpetuated by you too

1. Japanese: ko
English : Child
Yoruba : omo


2. Japanese : Tsuki
English : moon
Yoruba : Osupa

Despite your erroneous acts with Japanese word that does not fit with Yoruba cognates comparison. Osupa still has another name in ancient Yoruba lexicon. IFA corpus will teach you such among its recorded stories ( another bomb shelling) . You better don't kill yourself over what is bigger than your knowledge.
Anyway, I am enjoying your weakness as usual. Bloody clowns from IKA —IDU kingdom . Learn and enrich your mindset-coast.

Olu317:
? You keep begging me to ignore because he claims to be from ILEIFE? Must I be a brother to a stranger ? Have you not seen my ancestors name among the names of the compound names among the Ooni Ruling family compound? Say, YES if it is true so or NO, if if it's false..
Mind you that boy is FRAUD because I CONFIRM MY LEGITIMACY and he wants to see me repost the document so that he can save it and be using it. A private document is what I posted for public domain consumption, which I won't do again. As an AWO, you must not she'kè ooo. So say the truth. Lies being said and keeping mute is the reason, Yoruba cosmology information have problems. So confirm my statement if I have posted my ancestors Oriki for you to see.

obalufon, you don't need to know anything else on the internet about Laade or who Luusi? Go back to ILEIFE to verify. At least, you are opportune to see my post on Luusi. Therefore Say it to the fraudster to POST HIS ANCESTORS ORIKI because his ancestors is not known in ILEIFE as Oonis descendants. He is obalufon-obatala descendants but want something else for himself. Do you not see his Grandeur Deceit and shallowness in his interpretation of Ooni Ogunwusi's Oriki? Such interpretations is the reason I blame myself because of whom I have been quoting all along! Someone who doesn't have the grip to understand his own ancestors oriki , how would he be able to interpret another person's oriki. Indeed, it is very shocking.

I need to create time to go to ile-ife and ask the elders on Luusi.. I can even call my uncles from royal lineage in Ile-ife

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Obalufon:
I need to create time to go to ile-ife and ask the elders on Luusi.. I can even call my uncles from royal lineage in Ile-ife

Baba please do.

That man is about to be busted real bad.

Disgrace yen o ba bad gan but it is a faceless forum

Always after the disgrace of others.

0balufonlll:
LOL

Given me clue to the other. Your failure to learn from elders & follow laid down rules is why you do not know Osun is connected to several of the 256 odu. You do not drop a clue until you mention the Oluwo of an Ife or you mention the odu outrightly. Stop trying to act original .

I am not a man like you who ask for what they themselves cannot fathom, I wont ask you to comb 256 odu to proof a point, but your need to degrade others is your strength, not knowledge which seems unavailable to you. My Oluwo is Awishe Ife, if you know that, assume that I know what you are saying. So, proceed to the answer. You have proven you know my question by asking for the title, what you don't know is the answer.

At first I was tempted to do that (telling you the title of the odu outrightly), but when I saw what you did with Olu's oriki, where you have to find flaw with what was mentioned in the oriki that another moniker shared, (Olu's oriki correspond with cogent points, pointing to the lineage of the sitting ooni) I know how endless your gameplan is at desperately seeking to drown others' pristine points when you have no clue to what they were saying.

I will leave you to your endless maneuvering but you have shown the readers that you are a pathological case. Why not search for the meaning of "agbokunrin niyawo" part with the oldest grandmas? You cannot deny the apparent, even the sigidi to gbe kale to gbojule, edi a gbe lo sodo, konii pada wale mo.

And this is part of what we have been saying, you & your boy have no idea about things you speak of mostly. You just drop things or names without recourse to the details of how it works - ooops, I forgot, you careless about how things work. You are anti-method & a wuruwuru to the answer.

Every of your point will establish your claim and your persona. You do not have the sense of perception, I never said "omo odu", not keen enough? Go back to the post you quoted. All I kept saying is Oju Odu. Please my Yoruba brothers here, do we have titles to each "omo odu" that numbers 256? 16 chapters: ofun, otua, ose, 24 combinations, ogbe'fun, ose'tua, owonrinsogbe etc.

Now, my question afresh, given that I claim a title of ifa as the family of osun, I'm claiming the main entry already, one of the sixteen. A knowledgeable person tutored in Ifa should know that outright. But I still have to tell you this because your sense of perception is very very low. You ask for the title, but pretended that I was asking you for omo odu by turning out the number 256

Its like saying I picked my quote from a chapter of a book with 16 chapters, and ask a man who claim to be an ardent faithful of the same book to tell me what chapter I'm I quoting from erroneously, after supplying a hint of the chapter in question via translation in the language he claim to be an exponent, yet he still can't get the clue.

And the same man came back that I needed to tell him my teacher or tell him outrightly the chapter I'm referring to, and in the same breath goes about lambasting me for not following laid down principles. Is this man a knowledgeable man or a fraud? Lambaste me after solving the problem, not when you have proven to be a failure at it.

We are waiting...

Obalufon:
I need to create time to go to ile-ife and ask the elders on Luusi.. I can even call my uncles from royal lineage in Ile-ife

You are wicked ooo ! I had thought you will say to him to apologise and chew his pride by acknowledging me with accorded respect but you still kept mute to disgrace him further. DID YOU NOT SEE MY ANCESTORS NAME IN ONE OF THE RULING HOUSES COMPOUND NAME WHEN I POSTED IT?

Anyway, please ask if you still doubt the family page of oriki I posted. Infact, ask about LAADE and LUSI in the Ooni Oranmiyan descendants under the AGBEDEGBEDE HOUSE, WHICH I POSTED EARLIER THAT YOU SAW BEFORE I PULLED IT DOWN . Then ask for the Ooni descendants prince-king with the Oriki; mo se Oko akoko se Oko Ekiti . AFTER ALL, NO ONE CAN USE SUCH PRAISE IF THE OWNER HASN'T BEING ON WAR FRONT WITH A LOT OF CASUALTIES ON THE OPPONENTS SIDE . And I will inform you more on this oriki.




Cheers

absoluteSuccess:
Always after the disgrace of others.



I am not a man like you who ask for what they themselves cannot fathom, I wont ask you to comb 256 odu to proof a point, but your need to degrade others is your strength, not knowledge which seems unavailable to you. My Oluwo is Awishe Ife, if you know that, assume that I know what you are saying. So, proceed to the answer. You have proven you know my question by asking for the title, what you don't know is the answer.

At first I was tempted to do that (telling you the title of the odu outrightly), but when I saw what you did with Olu's oriki, where you have to find flaw with what was mentioned in the oriki that another moniker shared, (Olu's oriki correspond with cogent points, pointing to the lineage of the sitting ooni) I know how endless your gameplan is at desperately seeking to drown others' pristine points when you have no clue to what they were saying.

I will leave you to your endless maneuvering but you have shown the readers that you are a pathological case. Why not search for the meaning of "agbokunrin niyawo" part with the oldest grandmas? You cannot deny the apparent, even the sigidi to gbe kale to gbojule, edi a gbe lo sodo, konii pada wale mo.



Every of your point will establish your claim and your persona. You do not have the sense of perception, I never said "omo odu", not keen enough? Go back to the post you quoted. All I kept saying is Oju Odu. Please my Yoruba brothers here, do we have titles to each "omo odu" that numbers 256? 16 chapters: ofun, otua, ose, 24 combinations, ogbe'fun, ose'tua, owonrinsogbe etc.

Now, my question afresh, given that I claim a title of ifa as the family of osun, I'm claiming the main entry already, one of the sixteen. A knowledgeable person tutored in Ifa should know that outright. But I still have to tell you this because your sense of perception is very very low. You ask for the title, but pretended that I was asking you for omo odu by turning out the number 256

Its like saying I picked my quote from a chapter of a book with 16 chapters, and ask a man who claim to be an ardent faithful of the same book to tell me what chapter I'm I quoting from erroneously, after supplying a hint of the chapter in question via translation in the language he claim to be an exponent, yet he still can't get the clue.

And the same man came back that I needed to tell him my teacher or tell him outrightly the chapter I'm referring to, and in the same breath goes about lambasting me for not following laid down principles. Is this man a knowledgeable man or a fraud? Lambaste me after solving the problem, not when you have proven to be a failure at it.

We are waiting...

Why are you giving him more clue on the sitting Ooni OGUN-W-(USI) oriki ?The mumu didn't know Luusi oriki was part and parcel of Ooni Ogunwusi's oriki . And even failed to realise that Lusi was a grandson of Lajamisan through one out of the three sons of Lajamisan that reigned as OONIS. Funny enough the fraudster has now become Orunto (sooko)descendants but initially said he is from Giesi lineage. He even went further to regressively thought Lusi was 19th Century warrior


My intention is to further make mockery of him because he deviated from omoluabi school of thought by claiming he knows but an empty barrel that regurgitate samething over and over again

Once obalufon visit ILE IFE anytime soon , and he post his information online on LUUSI , then I will post graphical analysis of how GIESI ANCESTRY became part of the three houses of Oranmiyan's son—Lajamisan's son called Ogbooru


I am the one who will laugh last because I am waiting patiently for he, obalufonIII to delete his moniker soon. I am too sure he will do so because of shame and pride Sir.

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The only known Agbongbon above .... Kindly Wait for obalufon to go to ILE IFE and verify again since it is an èewo(forbid) for a low rank personality like you with nothing to boast of in your ancestry . to disgrace me. After all, you had boasted over the last three weeks to disgrace my ancestors and me but unfortunately you disagrace yourself .....Chai, otito ma koro ooo

Mind you I have posted my ancestors stamped NAMES in Lajamisan descendants, which absoluteSuccesss saw it along side obalufon etc . So wait again for obalufon to come disgrace you after he must make contact to ask some people in ILEIFE about Lusi and Laade so that you obalufonIII will know no peace until you use your own mouth lati fi gbolé under my ancestors feet..

Oga post your ancestors name amongst Oranmiyan's son; Lajamisan family houses descendants ... But you are ashamed because you have been lying all along and have refused to do the needful despite your ranting. Trust me, you are a disgrace to the Yoruba world because you distort history.

Olu317:
You are wicked ooo ! I had thought you will say to him to apologise and chew his pride by acknowledging me with accorded respect but you still kept mute to disgrace him further. DID YOU NOT SEE MY ANCESTORS NAME IN ONE OF THE RULING HOUSES COMPOUND NAME WHEN I POSTED IT?

Anyway, please ask if you still doubt the family page of oriki I posted. Infact, ask about LAADE and LUSI in the Ooni Oranmiyan descendants under the AGBEDEGBEDE HOUSE, WHICH I POSTED EARLIER THAT YOU SAW BEFORE I PULLED IT DOWN . Then ask for the Ooni descendants prince-king with the Oriki; mo se Oko akoko se Oko Ekiti . AFTER ALL, NO ONE CAN USE SUCH PRAISE IF THE OWNER HASN'T BEING ON WAR FRONT WITH A LOT OF CASUALTIES ON THE OPPONENTS SIDE . And I will inform you more on this oriki.




Cheers

Mr Olu e ma binu ooo!! i know nothing all i'm after is facts.. i saw your okiri post

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Obalufon:
Mr Olu e ma binu ooo!! i know nothing all i'm after is facts.. i saw your okiri post

Please tell your friend to accept my offer by coming to Ife so we can go to Lafogido’s house at Edena to test his claim. Abeg. .

Obalufon:
Mr Olu e ma binu ooo!! i know nothing all i'm after is facts.. i saw your okiri post

Why would I be angry? Of course, I am not angry at you because truth you seek, the truth you will find. I remain a proud patrilineal son of Oranmiyan.

And thank God you saw it . So do whatever give you joy to seek out the truth but be careful with that young man ooo because he is a dubious and twister of history. Just imagine how he twisted the Oriki Luusi in that part of the post of Ooni Ogunwusi but mind you the post below say something different about Luusi personality.


Below is a screenshot that says , OMO BABA KAN NA NI WON..... Is obalufonIII not the fraudster?

If you doubt, go back to his falsified interpretation of Luusi's oriki

Some people are just pained! So, you don't know that the family house became contracted? Ignorance will make some people die... Contrary to your view Lafogido wasn't the father of Luusi....


Again, see olodo at work! Some people think because someone calls his ancestor father's brother as father, then it means the man must be Luusi's ancestor.... Olodo didn't know every Ooni was a father to all,irrespective of compound such came out from .... .I can't stop laughing at ignorant people because Yoruba language has become ridiculous before some people. If Father is Baba as our Oga has claimed, what is Grandfather? And What is Babatunde?

Olu317:
Why are you giving him more clue on the sitting Ooni OGUN-W-(USI) oriki ?The mumu didn't know Luusi oriki was part and parcel of Ooni Ogunwusi's oriki . And even failed to realise that Lusi was a grandson of Lajamisan through one out of the three sons of Lajamisan that reigned as OONIS. Funny enough the fraudster has now become Orunto (sooko)descendants but initially said he is from Giesi lineage. He even went further to regressively thought Lusi was 19th Century warrior


My intention is to further make mockery of him because he deviated from omoluabi school of thought by claiming he knows but an empty barrel that regurgitate samething over and over again

Once obalufon visit ILE IFE anytime soon , and he post his information online on LUUSI , then I will post graphical analysis of how GIESI ANCESTRY became part of the three houses of Oranmiyan's son—Lajamisan's son called Ogbooru


I am the one who will laugh last because I am waiting patiently for he, obalufonIII to delete his moniker soon. I am too sure he will do so because of shame and pride Sir.

He is a complete fake and less intelligent person, I purposely slip with some points above in the post you quoted, to my surprise, this guy that claim all knowing at Ifa did not see it, he was rather highlighting the irrelevant part as though it is the ultimate search for his defense.

How can you the encyclopedia use an account written by Samuel Johnson that he has one's complained against ? So, Samuel Johnson book that referred to Ijesa people as ije osa ( gods sacrifices)? The book that said, Omo Oluwo ni mean OONI?

... This simply mean you have lost it all with your interpretation of the oriki meaning ... Authoritatively, You are an empty brain oo because LUSI IS OVER 500- 600 YEARS OLDER THAN AJAMAIYE , so your lie obalufonIII is mastery and it makes you a real FOOL with all your claims


Do you even KNOW WHO WAS CONTRACTED AS LAADE IN AGBEDEGBEDE LINEAGE AND OTHERS THE ORIKI YOU DIDN'T SEE ? But you were quick to errenously claim Omo Lusi,in Ooni oriki as mere reflection of recognition of Ajamaiye? Smh obalufon, come teach this mannersless young man sense

Can you tell us how a nobody oriki like Omo lusi become Part of a whole Ooni Oranmiyan descendants oriki if he wasn't patrilineal ancestors among some of the oonis after many years ?

Do you even think Ajamaiye/Ajalaiye came down from Heaven like a ghost without a father with your nonentity post ?
OPONU GRANDEUR , I will teach you facts and not your kind of fraudulent rhetoric.

So, oriki has become a piece of shit that anyone can just begun to associate with a kingly oriki, especially the most revered in yoruba land ? Your mumu never do?

Why was Fabunmi okemesi oriki not part of Ooni Ayikiti?

absoluteSuccess:
He is a complete fake and less intelligent person, I purposely slip with some points above in the post you quoted, to my surprise, this guy that claim all knowing at Ifa did not see it, he was rather highlighting the irrelevant part as though it is the ultimate search for his defense.

Don't mind that clown. He is likened to some Edos that claimed Odu'a is ogodomigodo yet no proof. He said, he is an historian but detest other people's view. In fact, he once said ugbo people were once the same people. But evidence abound from historical, sculptural, name peculiarities, that some invaders came and scattered the place they invaded and restructured the whole place according to a family-related monarchical system . He kept churning out inconsistency and even want to turn everything to propaganda. And on purpose, I omitted some of these things for this èebúpofo fraudulent character to blunder because even Luusi descendant is even among the oriki of Ooni Ogunwusi's ancestors -lineage oriki and all from Lajamisan and his descendants that reigned as Ooni are related to Luusi . I intentionally left that part because of this kind of blunder of his. There is this my ancestor who was the one with the praise; se oko akoko se oko Ekiti before his other descendants took the praise name .




Cheers

0balufonlll:
Awe go and sit down.

The emboldened goes to show, like Olu, you are some empty headed old fellow desperately looking for internet relevance.

You claimed to have been initiated by Professor Wande yet you think the Oluwo of an ese Ifa is your teacher, smh. .

It is an assignment for you. Get off the pages of NL & go ait at the feet of Awo to learn. The Oluwo of an ese Ifa is a very simple & obvious thing but you do not know it & you claim to have done Itefa. . All these people who read pages of books written on Ifa & come online to act like they are the shxt. .

Oluwo ese Ifa, your teacher. .

You are always ever evasive, how has this hypnotism and tirades answer my question? Kindly answer my question from the same resources that you have just employed to give a worthless assignment: are you not the one who interpret Awise of Ife as Prof. Wande Abimbola? So what stops you from telling us the odu in the same breath?

You could do that 'current affair' decryption but you couldn't tell what "the family of Osun" possibly mean in an oju odu, just one name out of the 16 odu that we have? LOL, you can only give what you have, what you dont know is beyond your intellect, if you know it you would have shared it, but now you want to escape, no way.

"Eji eji nimo gbe mi o gbomo enikan", this is the oluwo for eji-ogbe:

"Irete nimote, ire de!" for irete

Oni bara ola bara, adia fun onibara, tii roko ailero odun, o yagan o ya pata, oju omo niipon bara: Obara meji


This is the colophon of the Ifa precept, called oluwo (meanwhile, what you asked for was an oluwo ife in your original post that I quoted). I asked you to assume I don't know and tell us what you know about the precept, but instead, oluwo is what you are bent on, anything that will give you edge in your argument that add no knowledge but abase people of knowledge will do.

If I'm to tell you the oluwo, have I not already told you the title by half in my question? You are asking for the subtitle that does not exist for the verse I've shared, meanwhile I have given you half the main title in my question, what else do you want that you don't have as clue? It only means you don't just have the answer, and you are the one who is too proud to learn.

Now if you are knowledgeable in Ifa, my thought was that you will correct me of the part that I said we have 16 odu and 24 mixed odu, but no, you don't know anything about that vital information, its the oluwo detail that is most important than the fact that eludes you. You came up with 256, but you don't know how the 256 came about, so you couldn't perceive the test.

If you have the sense of perception, your question should rather be how could 16x24 equals 256? Isn't that much of a critical error? What are "the mixed odu"? These are intelligible questions I was expecting from your post to butress your proficiency in the subject, but alas, you are just familiar with one thing that's irrelevant to the main thing in Ifa recitation, which are oju odu, omo odu and amulu odu.

Whatever you claim to know that you cannot share is inaccurate. You are careful of your inadequacies and inaccuracies, so you have nothing to share. You do not have any point worth sharing out of fear of error. The ones who share vital information are wiser than anyone thinking himself knowledgeable but having nothing knowledgeable traceable to him: poor researcher without faint knowledge to share.

Mr. oluwo igbodu work on your ego, you have no traditional background in the things you claim, you couldn't sight any error beyond what you know of it in the few lines you read somewhere about the initiation process, and thats all you know, not the details of the verses itself. The falsification tests I cloaked in my posts is the proof.

Olu317:
Don't mind that clown. He is likened to some Edos that claimed Odu'a is ogodomigodo yet no proof. He said, he is an historian but detest other people's view. In fact, he once said ugbo people were once the same people. But evidence abound that some invaders came and scattered everywhere and restructured the whole place. He kept churning out inconsistency and even want to turn everything to propaganda. And on purpose, I omitted some of these things for this èebúpofo fraudulent character to blunder because even Luusi descendant is even among the oriki and all from Lajamisan are related to Luusi . I intentionally left that part because of this kind of blunder of his. There is this my ancestor who was the one with the praise; se oko akoko se oko Ekiti before his other descendants took the praise name .




Cheers

He's trying his best at doing what he know how to do best, faultfinding. He has nothing else intelligible to share. He is not intelligent beyond your next post.

Ope ni, ko m'odu. Oun to ba tiri nikan l'oun fi ogbon lo, ko ni ogbon atinuda tie kankan afi ko buni.

Oga o l'aso, aso alaso l'oga ngba b'ora.

obalufon, below are two distinct way to compare what Ooni Ogunwusi's Oriki emphasis. These two praises are in his oriki. So, contrary to that young man, the first is referring to LUSI. kindly compare the two to see if Lusi was just a mere man .
This how to authenticate a praise name when there is a replica of it.

1. Mo nlo nre igbode Omo Luusi Omo arugbo-ile igbode abika lorun Omo o fose foso, komo Olominrin feeru fo Omo oke mo ri tikun aya sile.


2. mo re igbode Omo igun la gba Omo igun la je Omo igun kogokogo lorule Igun ile rin-in gbebo Akalamagbo ile rin gbo eru titu Bi ‘ha je tan mun tan Han moke ikole gun Mosi ikole.


Funny enough, part of Lusi cognomen were , Omo oke..... Omo Igun....... .. Trust me, things are changing because, our ancestors story/history has aalways been dented with of all manner disdain statement and by the grace of God,our ancestors history will be told by us i.e their descendants through proper research work)

Let me say this, that Lusi lived in Ikole in Ekiti axis for a long time and he was a very dreaded warrior. Infact, there is a place called Ahonro(Ihonro/Ihoro) Igbode Lusi . This particular spot no one goes there except his descendants and subject where once in awhile you see the manifestations of his spiritual power when the real beaded crown of Lusi appears and suspend itself on air on this water while his oriki/cognomen is being chanted. He was a very powerful man in his life time and lived for a long time on earth .Even his sword is mystical . Infact his terrifying descendant warrior was the one that took up the cognem, ‘se Oko akoko se Oko Ekiti'. This terrfing descendant of Lusi is also in ogunwusi's oriki......

obalufon,

In the family ORIKI among the orikis of Agbededegbe OYINBO and others at ITA AYEGBAJU ILODÈ. Who is the personality referred to as:

Omo ‘Laade'

Ask the lying and fraudulent master before he deletes his handle,the full meaning of Laade and what does the name mean in the screenshot below ? After all, IFE is only intelligible to him alone

Mind you, luusi is also a contracted form of his name because ancient Yoruba names and language are descriptive form in nature and if the child is born, his/her name is given descriptively to a child born into a family. Although ,this doesn't mean oruko amutorunwa doesn't exist...



Cc. absoluteSuccess


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0balufonlll:
Feom thinking the Oluwo of as ese Ifa is your teacher to attempting to list what an Oluwo ese ifa is. Even though I had to beat it out of you or made you ask people, it is good that you now have an idea. Now you will always remember that you learnt what an Oluwo of ancese Ifa is beause of your encounter with Obalufon iketa.

Now you may carry on, Aboru Aboye.

Aboye bo sise.

I've answered your question, can you answer mine?

absoluteSuccess:
Aboye bo sise.

I've answered your question, can you answer mine?

Which is to state what ese Ifa you quoted from, correct?

0balufonlll:
Which is to state what ese Ifa you quoted from, correct?

yes, that's what I mean sir.