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uzuede4:
You sure are an apostate. I am a Jehovah's Witness, and i attended tertiary institution without anyone giving me problems about it. Currently, there are so many witness children in tertiary instututes.

TATIME:
I've learnt so much from the last Watchtower study article of Oct 1-7. We just need to go on with the work of the Lord and leave Apostates doing what they knows best. They know what they're doing and they shall surely get their reward if they don't relent. I'm sure they'll come out publicly and from house to house too in delivering their messages.

rottennaija:
Can I get a link to the article?

mikeolu1:
Apostates want to get you out of a CULT. Period

The GB dont want you to see or learn anything that is unbiblical going on in the WT, but thanks to the Internet, there is no hiding place for CULTS. No more.

rottennaija:
Can I get a link to the article?

rottennaija:
Can I get a link to the article?

TATIME:
Perhaps you are an atheist, i'm sure you'll love posting comments about things that NL followers could see for amusement,and they don't need seeing you because there is practically nothing to learn from you as an individual since the faculty of atheism is all about everyone doing things there own way.
But if you're interested in a Nazarene called Jesus, you can never learn anything about Him on internet.He sent His own followers to go and meet people in their homes. Matthew 10:12 But why that? Well it's because true worshippers of God must teach others by examples! (Deuteronomy 6:6,7) So you must know the one teaching you PERSONALLY ( 2Timothy 3:14) that's why observers in Antioch could recognise Jesus' followers due to their activities! Act 11:26
Atheism is fast approaching,gaining ground in the heart of many and soon it will cover the face of the earth, only true Christians will remain worshipping the true God! These Christians you must know if you want to be saved,and it's not an internet thing but facially and in deeds. So there's no sitting on the fence, it's either you're an atheist or a TRUE Christian associating with other true believers! Hebrews 10:24,25 God bless you

rottennaija:
There are so things I want to point out to you, a serious fallacy in your write up. Nothing in my post points to atheism, absolutely nothing.

Second, you have this mindset of me vs them. Any post that glorifies Jws are a joy to you, any that criticise them is not, such becomes an apostate information, not true, completely discarded (without a doubt of investigating it)

I see a parallel, a similary between those adherent of political parties and Jws. A pdp supporter would welcome any news that glorifies their party, those that criticises it are out rightly discarded as coming from enemies.

Thirdly, the world is in a state of dynamic change. In the old days, people need to contact an instructor, today, people can learn over the internet in what is known as collaboration and online telecast. When you watch jw broadcasting, you don't need speaker to come to your home to show you what he is teaching you, you can hear him and learn.

Is Jesus were alive today, he wouldn't be riding on horse back nor trekking long distances. He would be using other means of transportation.

mikeolu1:
After the last Weekend WT study, where the GB told 8mill JW not to trust information from non JW source, the result is that many JW are curious.

For example, the ex-JW Reddit community increased by 200 people in 3 days after the WT study. (https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw)
Note that the average subscription per day has always been about 25/day, that changed by 400%.

The lesson is that, in the internet age, even people in a cult will look at information especially where you dont want them to look.

TATIME:
According to the Bible someone must teach you the sacred secrets of God's kingdom. 1Peter 1:12
You must know them by face and actions, Jesus taught His followers and asked them to teach others.
If you don't know those teaching you "in person" it's not appropriate because what you're learning from them can only be effective if you're SEEING the practical applications in the way they does it.
JW broadcast is anchored by brothers who's faces are known so that when they go into the field people see them and the way things turns out others learn from them( 2Timothy 3:14, Hebrews 13:7) NOT ONLY ON TV!

rottennaija:
Ok. Noted. So who is offering the teaching now? Jehovah's Witnesses?

TATIME:
Meditate thoroughly on what the scriptures say and listen to whoever comes to you as a preacher of the good news. Matthew 10:11-15 Jesus said "by their fruits you will RECOGNISE them" certainly recognition has to do with what you can see! Matthew 7:16-20 True Christians must preach from house to house in their neighborhood so that any of them can't say "that's my enemy's house" of course such a person is indirectly saying "i'm not a Christian" because you must wish everyone to be in God's Kingdom including those who hate you! Matthew 5:43-48 compared to 1Timothy 2:4
To me i'll say ONLY Jehovah's Witnesses that fits in to the description but if you've seen a better one please! please!! please!!! i'm begging you on bended knee to tell me so that i'll rush to find out if it's true and join them with delay! Act 17:11
It mustn't be more than ONE single group because JEHOVAH and Jesus are not divided against themselves! John 17:22,1Corinthians1:10,Philippians 2:2,1Peter 3:8

mikeolu1:
The recent Montana case involving JW child abuse case, where WT was asked to pay $35M. Below is the court docket (lawyer-speak for argument in court).
If you are JW, and you read how much lies the WT lawyers told the court and you still believe that this is god's organization, then you have been brainwashed to say the least.

Thank God for the internet. Document like this are on the court website for all to read.



To see the court documents go to: https://supremecourtdocket.mt.gov/#!

Click the middle box on that page that says "CLOSED DOCKETS" 2006-present

The case number is: 18-0534

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Here are some of the arguments:

Montana is a mandatory reporting state, but Watchtower lawyers claimed that the law for reporting abuse only applies to “individuals” and they are “corporations”. Victims lawyers win argument with traffic laws analogy saying traffic laws applies to drivers, not employers or corporations. But, employers may be held responsible when their drivers are negligent and hurt others. (see page 15)

Then Watchtower lawyers switch their argument and say that they didn’t report the abuse because reports of abuse can be kept confidential under clergy law, but victims lawyers proved it was NEVER kept confidential because… (see pages 15-16)

Elders told the abuser what the victim said about him

Elders told other elders in the legal department in NY

The legal department told the elders in the Service department (CCJW)

Service dept (CCJW) writes a letter back to original elders.

(Bottom of page 14)


Then Watchtower lawyers switch tactic again and say they can make their own definition of what “confidential” means and the court can’t say otherwise. (p.16).

Some of these lawyers are JW by the way

rottennaija:
There is no direct link to the document. Can you provide one?

TATIME:
Meditate thoroughly on what the scriptures say and listen to whoever comes to you as a preacher of the good news. Matthew 10:11-15 Jesus said "by their fruits you will RECOGNISE them" certainly recognition has to do with what you can see! Matthew 7:16-20 True Christians must preach from house to house in their neighborhood so that any of them can't say "that's my enemy's house" of course such a person is indirectly saying "i'm not a Christian" because you must wish everyone to be in God's Kingdom including those who hate you! Matthew 5:43-48 compared to 1Timothy 2:4
To me i'll say ONLY Jehovah's Witnesses that fits in to the description but if you've seen a better one please! please!! please!!! i'm begging you on bended knee to tell me so that i'll rush to find out if it's true and join them with delay! Act 17:11
It mustn't be more than ONE single group because JEHOVAH and Jesus are not divided against themselves! John 17:22,1Corinthians1:10,Philippians 2:2,1Peter 3:8

rottennaija:
Jehovah's Witnesses are one of the many apostate religious group today. False teachings, false prophecies, trusting in men that in God and Jesus, make the organization a more important than Jesus, denying Jesus mediatorship from millions of followers, shutting the kingdom of heaven from men who Christ died for...

These are just a few of the many things that makes the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses an apostate Christian religion.

Claiming to be Christ followers is one thing, living the name is quite another. When you read Mt 20:19,20, Jesus did not only instruct his followers to preach and make disciples, he instructed them to teach the new disciples to "observe all the things he commanded them".

All the things he commanded them. The disciples of Jesus did the same in the first century, they taught the new convert that Jesus was their mediator, the mediator of the new covenant, for the old covenant was gone. The were to eat Jesus flesh and blood, for Jesus was their passover, they were no longer in the old covenant and were not expected to observe the old passover, all the new disciples were to observe all Jesus commanded .

Apostasy is an abandoning of from true teachings of Jesus. By causing millions of their followers to reject Jesus as their mediator, telling them they are not part of the new covenant, and as such Jesus cannot mediate for them, discouraging them from partaking of Jesus body and blood, the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses, the organization headed by the governing body is the true apostate of today, for they have rejected Jesus command to teach new disciples to observed all that Jesus commands.

I'm sorry, i do not need such preaching from such a group that is meant to destroy the basis of my faith in Jesus and Christianity.

Preaching will not save Jehovah's Witnesses, as long as they has rejected their master and lord Jesus. The governing body does not know more than Jesus, who gave the instruction. They cannot be claim to be faithful and discreet when they are not faithful to their one and true Master Jesus and not discreet in his teachings.

In the Bible, Jesus spoke of those who went to great length to make one convert, just like Jws today and then make them convert subject of eternal destruction. Do you know who they were? The Pharisees.

Your preaching is nothing as long as you are not passing the right message, as Jesus and his apostles did. The only thing you can possibly achieve is to make those whom christ died for subject of eternal destruction, for by your teachings and believes, you have rejected the very teachings of Jesus and are therefore, an apostate.

rottennaija:
You mean a religion that will now tell me that Jesus is not my mediator unless I belong to the few elite of 144000?

TATIME:
That means you and i are on parallel lines that can never meet! I expected questions that's thought provoking so as to expose the falsehood but instead it's what you've concluded based on the general perspective of the MANY.
Well thanks for your time, your God differs from mine that's all!

TATIME:
Please ask your Pastor to interpret what Jesus meant that was recorded in John 10:16!
There Jesus talked about "OTHER SHEEP which are not of the First fold"! And at Revelations 14 we read that there was first to be seen with the lamb(Jesus) 144,000 having His name and His father's name WRITTEN on their foreheads. Later another multitude was seen! Zechariah 8:23 said 10 men from the nations will grab the skirt of a Jew saying "we're going to follow you because we've heard that God is with you". Well try to ask any of your TRUSTED Pastors the comprehensive interpretations of these prophesies before you raise your tongue against the interpretation of the JWs!

rottennaija:
I don't need to ask, because the Bible is its own best interpreter, besides, I don't need the pastor to interpret the Bible for me (I know you depend on your Org and governing body to do so for you) for I am no follower of men.

The little flock were Jesus follower from the nation of Israel.
The other sheep were the gentiles.


There is no scripture that link the other sheep of John 10:16 to the great crowd of Re 7:9-17; 19:1, which by scriptural description is also on heaven.

Since you are a follower of men, the day the Org and its governing body changes it to what the Bible teaches, in the name of new light, you will have no problem accepting it for you are your likes are like a ship in the water that is "tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming". (eph 4:14)

rottennaija:
Yes, it really does and you and your religion are the apostate Christianity that is not faithful to Jesus and his words

TATIME:
That's exactly what i strongly believe about you and your friends whose religious beliefs are contradicting and conflicting, yet none of YOU dare stands out to ask "WHY?".
I believe the reason is because none of YOU wants to be vilified out of hatred so when all your Daddy and Mummy G.Os from various religious groups all claiming Christians meet together with different ideas :Deepelife,Redeem,Apostolic,CAC,CCC,C&S,MFM,Canaanland,Synagogue,Chosen,Apostolic Faith,KICC,FRESH OIL,Trem,Christ's Embassy etc meet with together, all of YOU conspired to say ONLY Jehovah's Witnesses are not serving the Lord. Just like the first century when Pharisees,Sadusees,Scribes and other different religious groups all claiming to be worshipping the God of Moses meet, they all conspired to say ONLY Jesus and His followers are not worshipping the God of Moses. Because that's the only group that stands out as a united flock! John 17:22
So i can see that all of you have TRULY become ONE.

rottennaija:
For your information, I belong to none of those. I am a card carrying member of JW, as I haven't disassociated myself yet neither have I been disfellowshed. I simply stopped going to the kingdom hall as those apostate doctrines deny true Christianity of their rights.

Besides, no one is conspiring against jw, it's just a pigment of your imagination. You run when no one is pursuing you and cry when no one is beating you. In fact, I came to realise that those people do not have your time neither do they spend their time to think or talking about you like you spend your time imagining they are talking about you.

You just have the constant need of feeling persecuted, a persecution complex so that you can use it to say, 'I am being persecuted'. Look at what is happening to Christian churches in China, they members imprisoned and churches brought down. Since it is it jw, they will not make noise about it, but immediately it starts to affect jw, they will start shouting persecution, persecution.

TATIME:
So in a nutshell you belong to "the lord"(1Corinthians 8:5) whose sheep are dispassed abroad with no visible flocklike attributes,as your own lord has worshippers with no IDENTIFICATION! Jehovah's Witnesses :you're not with US because we're followers of our GB, all other religious groups "you belong to none" Yet you're a Christian still associating with a religious group "Jehovah's Witnesses" and you yourself actually believes that the members of this same religion are doomed! My friend you're today's most knowledgeable intellectual alive!

rottennaija:
It's amazing how you you can twist anything to suit your wimps. Carry on... You are not alone.

TATIME:
TWISTS you say? Please correct me if i got it wrong.
You're a Christian, you're saying those that your religion called "false religions" are better off than yours.
OK go and join them, you're saying that's not necessary. Alright, leave the one that's not as good as those ones, you're not ready.
Hellooooooooo 1Timothy 4:15 said Christian's advancement should be NOTICED by all people.
But you're just playing hide and seek with your own faith so that nobody can learn anything from you. My friend let me advise you. Try to work hard on the truth about FAITH because it's "madmen" that keeps beliefs and ideas having nobody that's VISIBLE to relate with.That's not what Jesus started!

rottennaija:
For your information, I belong to none of those. I am a card carrying member of JW, as I haven't disassociated myself yet neither have I been disfellowshed. I simply stopped going to the kingdom hall as those apostate doctrines deny true Christianity of their rights.

rottennaija:
I guess you never read nor comprehend the part u said, I stopped attending the kingdom hall?



Speaking about faith, I think you should recognize that there is nothing like a group faith or collective faith, just like there is no collective salvation. Those are personal and when each individual stands before the judgement seat of God, we stand as individual not as a group or member of a certain religious denomination.

So, take your own advice. Work on your personal salvation and faith.

As for my advancement, I realize that as a member of a certain religious group or Org, they have their expectations and desires and goals and each group applies the recorded 1 ti 4:15 to achieve whatever their goals are.

In that case, for a jw, the advancement will be field service, meeting attendance, answering questions in meetings etc. For other groups, their advancement would be joining the choir, crusader, etc. Each have their definitions and can apply and misapply them accordingly.

I have no interest in any of those. I owe you no apologies for how I choose to show my advancement, for it may not fit into your expectations of making my advancement manifest.

I had been a ministerial servant for more than 8 years, almost becoming an elder after I had finished my Nysc. If I had stayed in the congregation I was during service, I would have been an elder in less than a year. When I return from service, I was making "my advancement" manifest.

Just like the apostle Paul, when I realized I was on the wrong part, a part of an apostate religious movement that had abandoned the commands of our Lord Jesus. I knew I had to cut ties with them. I resigned as an MS, reduced my participation until I finally stopped going into the kingdom hall, that was me making my progress manifest.

It was so manifest that my family noticed the change and inquired. The elders notices it, and inquired.

rottennaija:
Besides, no one is conspiring against jw, it's just a pigment of your imagination. You run when no one is pursuing you and cry when no one is beating you.