Ihedinobi3:

Judging that this was what you said:

I think it is reasonable to say that you are changing your position now. You are rejecting the position that God ought to forgive sinners in favor of a new one that He actually does. ?

I do not think you are familiar with buda speak. Are you knew?

Buda is a "gods are figments of the imagination" sort of atheist. She does not believe that gods do not exist. She knows they do not exist. You might from that understand that there is no god to be forgiving, not to talk of, ought to or not.

But, let's stick with the evidence, shall we. Is what I said about people getting away with sinning, wrong?

Ihedinobi3:

I think that changes like this may testify to some deeper-than-the-surface appreciation that the position of the Bible is true.

Yes, you may add Christian to my being an atheist. If one sins, one will surely die! And Jesus is Lord. Forget the God, heaven, hell, spirits etc though. I am limited to my neighbours here on earth whom I can see.

Ihedinobi3:
But that is an argument from ignorance. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The fact that we have no material proof does not mean that it is not true.

I wonder if you've heard of my imaginary million pounds with which I intend to purchase a spanking brand new red Ferrari that MuttleyLaff says I keep going on about it? This is precisely the sort of 'reasoning' it's intended to debunk. According to you, the fact there is no material proof for the imaginary milion pounds in my bank account should not stop the Ferrari saleperson handing over the keys of my dick, as muttley calls my spanking brand new red Ferrari! Please, do you sell Ferraris by any chance? You'd be the salesperson I've been looking for.

I'm sorry, but my atheism does not allow me to cook up imaginary stuff in my head and claim it to be true without any evidence whatsoever to support it.

Ihedinobi3:
Then again, if we all knew for sure that hell exists and cannot doubt that at all, would all human beings have a choice in submitting to God? Would we not all be forced to whether we like it or not?

Watch out for my cheap shot below. I could not help myself.

I think that changes like this may testify to some deeper-than-the-surface appreciation that the position of the Bible is not true.

Yes, humans will still have a choice. There are quite a lot of people who, despite their absolute belief in the existence of God and hell who do evil things!

Ihedinobi3:
That would mean that many who don't want God telling them what to do would be forced to endure that eternally, not so? Is that consistent with Love as a concept?

Sounds like you're saying "freewill is indicative of love". If so, I completely agree. My love for you should be the sort that allows you to freely express yourself. It should not be the restrictive, imprisoning, do my will sort. I trust you to not harm yourself, nor me.

raptex:
Wake up and realize that hell is a scam created to keep you in check.

So, first, you ignore my point that you are being dishonest by throwing Christianity into the mix at this point.

Then, second, you make a claim you do not bother to substantiate.

I think that it should be obvious to you at this point that you have no interest in truth.

LordReed:


Just prove god ordered anything into motion.

Do you want biblical verses?

Ihedinobi3:

So, first, you ignore my point that you are being dishonest by throwing Christianity into the mix at this point.

Then, second, you make a claim you do not bother to substantiate.

I think that it should be obvious to you at this point that you have no interest in truth.

Tell me what you think the truth is if I'm wrong

budaatum:

I do not think you are familiar with buda speak. Are you knew?

Buda is a "gods are figments of the imagination" sort of atheist. She does not believe that gods do not exist. She knows they do not exist. You might from that understand that there is no god to be forgiving, not to talk of, ought to or not.

But, let's stick with the evidence, shall we. Is what I said about people getting away with sinning, wrong?

I admit I am not familiar with "buda speak" but I'm quite familiar with dishonesty. It does seem to me like you're deliberately avoiding owning an inconsistency in your posts.

budaatum:
Yes, you may add Christian to my being an atheist. If one sins, one will surely die! And Jesus is Lord. Forget the God, heaven, hell, spirits etc though. I am limited to my neighbours here on earth whom I can see.

You don't have to be a Christian to appreciate that the Bible is true. Everyone does. Not everybody is a Christian.

budaatum:
I wonder if you've heard of my imaginary million pounds with which I intend to purchase a spanking brand new red Ferrari that MuttleyLaff says I keep going on about it? This is precisely the sort of 'reasoning' it's intended to debunk. According to you, the fact there is no material proof for the imaginary milion pounds in my bank account should not stop the Ferrari saleperson handing over the keys of my dick, as muttley calls my spanking brand new red Ferrari! Please, do you sell Ferraris by any chance? You'd be the salesperson I've been looking for.

No I hadn't. And I don't particularly care about it.

budaatum:
I'm sorry, but my atheism does not allow me to cook up imaginary stuff in my head and claim it to be true without any evidence whatsoever to support it.

As I told you, this is the fallacy of argument from ignorance.

budaatum:
Watch out for my cheap shot below. I could not help myself.

I think that changes like this may testify to some deeper-than-the-surface appreciation that the position of the Bible is not true.

Yes, humans will still have a choice. There are quite a lot of people who, despite their absolute belief in the existence of God and hell who do evil things!

In Christianity, everybody is like that. Even the best Christians still do evil things. Belief in the existence of God and hell is not mutually exclusive with bad behavior in practice although it is very much so in theory. It does discourage arrogance so it limits such bad behavior but everybody still alive on earth is in a body that is corrupted with sin so that we sin all the time for all kinds of reasons. But anyone who fears God and does not want to go to hell does cooperate with the Holy Spirit to limit arrogance in their attitude toward God.

budaatum:
Sounds like you're saying "freewill is indicative of love". If so, I completely agree. My love for you should be the sort that allows you to freely express yourself. It should not be the restrictive, imprisoning, do my will sort. I trust you to not harm yourself, nor me.

And we're back to the statement I asked you about initially. If love does not restrict behavior, then a loving God will not punish evil, will He? That is a common atheist position.

raptex:
Tell me what you think the truth is if I'm wrong

That's rather frivolous of you. My first post was long and very descriptive of my position. And I was rather overt about the fact that I am a Christian. So, when you make this kind of request, it's hard to take you seriously.

Originakalokalo:


Do you want biblical verses?

No, it's not a history book or a scientific book or a legal document.

LordReed:


No, it's not a history book or a scientific book or a legal document.

I decided to ask you so that I won't have to waste my time.

Now that the answer is No,

You should.wait for a scientific book and a legal document.

Originakalokalo:


I decided to ask you so that I won't have to waste my time.

Now that the answer is No,

You should.wait for a scientific book and a legal document.

Glad you agree you have no proof.

LordReed:


Glad you agree you have no proof.

Peace.

Ihedinobi3:

Ephesians 6:10-17 NASB
[10]Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might.
[11]Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil.
[12]For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
[13]Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
[14]Stand firm therefore, having girded your loins with truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness,
[15]and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
[16]in addition to all, taking up the shield of faith with which you will be able to extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one.
[17]And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

2 Corinthians 10:3-6 NASB
[3]For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh,
[4]for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses.
[5]We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ,
[6]and we are ready to punish all disobedience, whenever your obedience is complete.

These ones are the most obvious but the theme runs through the entire Scripture.

When Peter says, for example, that we are pilgrims passing through this world, your mind should return to the Exodus when Israel was passing through hostile territory on the way to the Promised Land. They were an army passing through.

When our Lord tells us that He is sending us forth as sheep among wolves and that we should be shrewd like serpents but harmless as doves, it means the exact same thing. There would be no need for shrewdness if there was no war involved. There would be no call to be harmless if there was no danger of harming people who are not enemies.

I could develop another long post on this just describing how the Scripture teaches it.

Do not get me wrong. I know full well what the Scriptures say about the righteous walk. The righteous walk is not food and drink. It is spiritual warfare.

I reacted to the context you placed it. The righteous walk is clearly different from Christianity. The Messiah did not describe his righteous walk as Christianity. That is where I disagreed.

Ihedinobi3:

I admit I am not familiar with "buda speak" but I'm quite familiar with dishonesty. It does seem to me like you're deliberately avoiding owning an inconsistency in your posts.

Just so we're clear, below is how you've defined my so called inconsistency:

You are rejecting the position that God ought to forgive sinners in favor of a new one that He actually does.

It is not my experience that people are on the whole punished for their sins unless by sins you mean error or ignorance or stupidity, and I add, crimes.

As to what God ought to do or actually does, thats like asking me what two horned unicorns ought to or actually do - a mute point for one who doesn't hold that two horned unicorns exist to ought or actually do anything.

Ihedinobi3:
As I told you, this is the fallacy of argument from ignorance.

I don't suppose you are aware of your glass house and the need to be careful with stones? It is an equal fallacy to claim something is true because you believe it. And no, I'm not asking you to prove the gods you believe in exist, but just stating my position on the subject, that gods are figments of the imagination cooked up in the heads of those who believe they do exist.

Ihedinobi3:
But anyone who fears God and does not want to go to hell does cooperate with the Holy Spirit to limit arrogance in their attitude toward God.

As raptex rightly said, "hell is a scam created to keep you in check". The boogeyman serves the same purpose for those of simple minds, as does imprisonment, which actually does exist for some sins. I see no reason whatsoever to fear a non-existing entity. You might as well tell me to fear the boogeyman in the closet or limit my arrogance towards it.

Some of us have brains and minds and knowledge and consciences that serve the same purpose where some sins are concerned at least. I just don't see the need to commit the sin of murder for instance. If we all went about killing one another we'd all be extinct someday and that does not exactly serve any purpose that I have, be there hell, or gods, or not.

I take the position of bothering about my fellow human beings and all that exists, and not for some God in heaven whom I see not nor have any evidence for.

Ihedinobi3:
And we're back to the statement I asked you about initially. If love does not restrict behavior, then a loving God will not punish evil, will He? That is a common atheist position.

You misrepresent what you call, "a common atheist position". Any atheist worthy of being one would tell you that things that do not exist are incapable of love, or hate for that matter, and do not have the ability to have any influence on behaviour not to talk of restricting it. Ideas do though. But you have not presented the God you speak of as a mere idea that restricts behaviour.

As to love itself restricting behaviour, I'd admit to being restricted by the idea of loving my fellow human beings - or regarding them, at the very least - to not calling them dishonest or murdering them unless I actually catch them in a lie or in self-defence. It could after all be the case that they are simply mistaken or limited in their understanding.

budaatum:
I wonder if you've heard of my imaginary million pounds with which I intend to purchase a spanking brand new red Ferrari that MuttleyLaff says I keep going on about it?
This is precisely the sort of 'reasoning' it's intended to debunk.
According to you, the fact there is no material proof for the imaginary milion pounds in my bank account should not stop the Ferrari saleperson handing over the keys of my dick, as muttley calls my spanking brand new red Ferrari!
Please, do you sell Ferraris by any chance?
You'd be the salesperson I've been looking for.

budaatum I never called your wishful spanking brand new red Ferrari a dick
rather and correctly, I referred your wishful spanking brand new red Ferrari to being a dick extension

Dick extension, is a colloquial and everyday language used for describing an expensive car, owned by a man, that costs a loads of money
Everyone knows dick is red when erect, I mean redder and a spanking brand new red Ferrari looks like a dick
so if you intend to purchase the spanking brand new red Ferrari sports car,
then it basically means, for reasons best known to you, you want a great extension to your dick
Your attraction seems to be Ferrari, for some their preference is a "Big Metal Willy", BMW for the simple

budaatum:
I'm sorry, but my atheism does not allow me to cook up imaginary stuff in my head and claim it to be true without any evidence whatsoever to support it.

You easily can conjure up in your head you have an imaginary million pounds in your bank account for a spanking brand new red Ferrari sports car
and claim it to be true without any evidence whatsoever to support it.
but your atheism does not allow you to cook up imaginary stuff in your head
and claim it to be true without any evidence whatsoever to support it.
What a bummer, what a raw deal that is, the absurdity of your situation and predicament.

Ihedinobi3:
No I hadn't. And I don't particularly care about it.

Help a brother out Ihedinobi3
Why not care?
Please agree to take his imaginary milion pounds in his bank account
I'll personally make sure the dick extension wishful spanking brand new red Ferrari get delivered and parked under his carport/in his driveway

budaatum, how would you like your spanking brand new red Ferrari sports car delivered?
Would you like it with or without a roof? Convertible perhaps or not?

MuttleyLaff:

You easily can conjure up in your head you have an imaginary million pounds in your bank account for a spanking brand new red Ferrari sports car and claim it to be true without any evidence whatsoever to support it.
but your atheism does not allow you to cook up imaginary stuff in your head and claim it to be true without any evidence whatsoever to support it.
What a bummer, what a raw deal that is, the absurdity of your situation and predicament.

Why then should theism allow you to cook up imaginary stuff in your head and claim it to be true without any evidence whatsoever to support it, and ask me to accept it as true too, muttley? Do you have a monopoly on absurdity perhaps?

budaatum:
Why then should theism allow you to cook up imaginary stuff in your head
and claim it to be true without any evidence whatsoever to support it, and ask me to accept it as true too, muttley?

budaatum, it has nothing to do with theism cooking up imaginary stuff in your head
and claiming it to be true without any evidence whatsoever to support it, and asking you to accept it as true too budaatum.

Having said that budaatum, have you thought about, why did you cook it up in your that today is going to be a good day
and so gladly rolled out of bed, to get out and face the world?
Did you have any evidence whatsoever therein then whilst still under the duvet, to support it before climbing out of bed?

budaatum, discovery and invention are two opposite things
Theism is about discovery and not invention or cooking up imaginary stuff

budaatum:
Do you have a monopoly on absurdity perhaps

No I dont
but you do, in this particular type of absurdity

If you can find, just one person, who believes in your fantasy of the imaginary million pounds in your bank account
you want to use to buy that spanking brand new red Ferrari sports dick extension car
then I'll arriba, arriba, andale, andale Speedy Gonzales willingly become a convert

elated177:


Do not get me wrong. I know full well what the Scriptures say about the righteous walk. The righteous walk is not food and drink. It is spiritual warfare.

I reacted to the context you placed it. The righteous walk is clearly different from Christianity. The Messiah did not describe his righteous walk as Christianity. That is where I disagreed.

You are right that he didn't. However, His followers were later called Christians (Acts 11:26) and they accepted the name (1 Peter 4:16). So I don't have a problem calling the righteous walk Christianity. But if you do, that's just as well. It was once called the Way too. So we don't need to fight over names and terms.

MuttleyLaff:
budaatum, it has nothing to do with theism cooking up imaginary stuff in your head
and claiming it to be true without any evidence whatsoever to support it, and asking you to accept it as true too budaatum.

Having said that budaatum, have you thought about, why did you cook it up in your that today is going to be a good day
and so gladly rolled out of bed, to get out and face the world?
Did you have any evidence whatsoever therein then whilst still under the duvet, to support it before climbing out of bed?

budaatum, [b]discovery and invention are two opposite things
Theism is about discovery and not invention or cooking up imaginary stu[/b]ff

No I dont
but you do, in this particular type of absurdity

If you can find, just one person, who believes in your fantasy of the imaginary million pounds in your bank account
you want to use to buy that spanking brand new red Ferrari sports dick extension car
then I'll arriba, arriba, andale, andale Speedy Gonzales willingly become a convert

First, the fact that you can find lots of people to believe what you do hardly makes it so. If it were so, I'd cook up a billion pounds in my head, promise to pay 999 million of it to 99.9 million people for believing it too and we'll all pocket the one million each that our collective belief made true!

And the fact that I may cook up in my head that it would be a good day any day that I wake up does not make it necessarily so either, muttley! At best, I hope it would be a good day, but it may very well turn out to be the worst day ever, or my last!

By God, are you being annoyingly lazy!

budaatum:
First, the fact that you can find lots of people to believe what you do hardly makes it so.
If it were so, I'd cook up a billion pounds in my head, promise to pay 999 million of it to 99.9 million people for believing it too
and we'll all pocket the one million each that our collective belief made true!

I dont foxtrot uniform charlie kilo care
All I will care about is, if you can find one person, just one person,
just one budaatum, who believes in your fantasy of the imaginary million pounds in your bank account
you want to use to buy that spanking brand new red Ferrari sports dick extension car
then I will automatic alacrity, arriba, arriba, andale, andale Speedy Gonzales willingly become a convert.

budaatum:
And the fact that I may cook up in my head that it would be a good day any day that I wake up does not make it necessarily so either, muttley!
At best, I hope it would be a good day, but it may very well turn out to be the worst day ever, or my last!

There is the point budaatum
At least the thought spurred you on enough to get out of bed and face the world
otherwise you wouldnt think it's worthwhile rolling out of bed

budaatum:
By God, are you being annoyingly lazy!

No,
but shoving back your annoyingly lazy, "no one's going to believe you", back at you.

MuttleyLaff:

There is the point budaatum
At least the thought spurred you on enough to get out of bed and face the world
otherwise you wouldnt think it's worthwhile rolling out of bed.

Are you suggesting the entire idea of God is just some motivational lie to get you out of bed in the morning?

budaatum:
Are you suggesting the entire idea of God is just some motivational lie to get you out of bed in the morning?

Nope, I never suggested that the entire idea of God is just some motivational lie to get you out of bed in the morning
That is another of your misadventurous invention and/or cooked up imaginary stuff that the entire idea of God is just some motivational lie.

Let's see, how far, we can kick this.
Supposing the entire idea of God is just some motivational lie to get us out of bed in the morning.
If it wasnt there to motivate to get you out of bed in the morning,
then that means nobody gets out of bed

People believe it, people believe the lie then
but you, you budaatum, cant find one single person, who believes in your fantasy of the imaginary million pounds in your bank account
you want to use to buy that spanking brand new red Ferrari sports dick extension car
that if any, will make me automatic alacrity, arriba, arriba, andale, andale Speedy Gonzales willingly become a convert.

budaatum:

Just so we're clear, below is how you've defined my so called inconsistency:

You are rejecting the position that God ought to forgive sinners in favor of a new one that He actually does.

It is not my experience that people are on the whole punished for their sins unless by sins you mean error or ignorance or stupidity, and I add, crimes.

As to what God ought to do or actually does, thats like asking me what two horned unicorns ought to or actually do - a mute point for one who doesn't hold that two horned unicorns exist to ought or actually do anything.

Atheism and Christianity are parallel universes so even the basic assumptions and axioms we argue from are different. This is why I prefer not to join issues with you. Still, we may be able to achieve some clarity in communication, who knows?

The inconsistency is this: you argue that a loving God should not create a hell to punish sinners but you also hold that evil should be punished.

It is not necessary for you to believe that God exists for you to make such an argument. In fact, it is a standard objection to the argument that God does in fact exist. So, the fact that you are an atheist does not preclude you from making it. And you in fact did. Because it is an easy objection to Faith in a God that does not make sense according to atheism.

As for your experience, that too does not really have much of a bearing on the issue since the real contention is the compatibility of a loving God with the existence of a hell. As long as hell is in the picture, temporal punishment of sin is not that much of a concern. The Bible itself teaches that not all sins will be punished here on earth. In fact, it is less common by far that sins are punished here on earth. It is, as you say, mostly egregious sins like crimes and errors of commonplace judgment that we suffer for here on earth. The reason is, as I said before, that if we had undeniable evidence of the Judgment of God upon sin, nobody would have a choice but to submit to and obey God. We all have a choice right now because it is something we don't have to believe to live in this world.

budaatum:
I don't suppose you are aware of your glass house and the need to be careful with stones? It is an equal fallacy to claim something is true because you believe it. And no, I'm not asking you to prove the gods you believe in exist, but just stating my position on the subject, that gods are figments of the imagination cooked up in the heads of those who believe they do exist.

Your comment here would be the straw man fallacy. You see, my argument is not at all that God exists because I believe that He does. Rather it is that creation and human conscience both convince me that He does and the Bible convinces me that Jesus Christ is the Only Way to know Him.

budaatum:
As raptex rightly said, "hell is a scam created to keep you in check". The boogeyman serves the same purpose for those of simple minds, as does imprisonment, which actually does exist for some sins. I see no reason whatsoever to fear a non-existing entity. You might as well tell me to fear the boogeyman in the closet or limit my arrogance towards it.

Some of us have brains and minds and knowledge and consciences that serve the same purpose where some sins are concerned at least. I just don't see the need to commit the sin of murder for instance. If we all went about killing one another we'd all be extinct someday and that does not exactly serve any purpose that I have, be there hell, or gods, or not.

I take the position of bothering about my fellow human beings and all that exists, and not for some God in heaven whom I see not nor have any evidence for.

Let me assure you that you really do not need to explain yourself to me. Your choice is yours to make and yours to be responsible for. I do not begrudge you the right to make it at all.

If you want my opinion though, it doesn't matter what any given person chooses to believe, everyone (except the mentally damaged) has a conscience so even an unbeliever can live a decent life (and even a more decent one than some believers too). The Bible says as much. Fear of hell is not necessary to living a decent life. Normal conscience, which just says that there is such a thing as good and bad and that good is good for you and bad is bad for you, is enough for that. So, that is not the point either. Hell exists to clean up creation in the end so that in eternity, there will be no one who is unwilling to submit to God or who violates God's Will in any way in the New Creation. That way, all those who live there can do so in peace and safety without concern.

budaatum:
You misrepresent what you call, "a common atheist position". Any atheist worthy of being one would tell you that things that do not exist are incapable of love, or hate for that matter, and do not have the ability to have any influence on behaviour not to talk of restricting it. Ideas do though. But you have not presented the God you speak of as a mere idea that restricts behaviour.

As to love itself restricting behaviour, I'd admit to being restricted by the idea of loving my fellow human beings - or regarding them, at the very least - to not calling them dishonest or murdering them unless I actually catch them in a lie or in self-defence. It could after all be the case that they are simply mistaken or limited in their understanding.

It is not only possible but usually necessary to assume something you don't believe in order to make a point, as I already pointed out. So, this is not much of a defense. I think that you most certainly understand that you were saying that even if we assume that God exists, His Love - which Christians claim - should not allow Him to punish sinners for sinners. That is what I was addressing. I have not claimed that you believe that God exists. I was merely treating an argument based on an assumption of God's Existence.

Regarding your second paragraph, I'm afraid I don't see how your response really has anything to do with my point. That point was that the love of a God would necessarily restrict the behaviors of creatures to such things as are good for them and for their fellow creatures. Therefore, any creature that crosses the line and violates that God's love for itself and for other creatures would be rightly subject to punishment as a result without any damage done to the love of that God.

MuttleyLaff:
I dont foxtrot uniform charlie kilo care
All I will care about is, if you can find one person, just one person,
just one budaatum, who believes in your fantasy of the imaginary million pounds in your bank account
you want to use to buy that spanking brand new red Ferrari sports dick extension car
then I will automatic alacrity, arriba, arriba, andale, andale Speedy Gonzales willingly become a convert.

There is the point budaatum
At least the thought spurred you on enough to get out of bed and face the world
otherwise you wouldnt think it's worthwhile rolling out of bed

No,
but shoving back your annoyingly lazy, "no one's going to believe you", back at you.

Convert now you heathen! For I believe in the budaa and his £1million.

LordReed:
Convert now you heathen!
For I believe in the budaa and his £1million.

[img]https://s1/images/MuttAmin.gif[/img]
Scammer. Lukeatew.

MuttleyLaff:

Help a brother out Ihedinobi3
Why not care?
Please agree to take his imaginary milion pounds in his bank account
I'll personally make sure the dick extension wishful spanking brand new red Ferrari get delivered and parked under his carport/in his driveway

I think she's a she.

I don't care because it is not relevant to the conversation I am having, dear friend.

MuttleyLaff:
[img]https://s1/images/MuttAmin.gif[/img]
Scammer. Lukeatew.

Unlike you I have evidence.

https://www.nairaland.com/4906214/there-no-such-things-witchcraft/8#73991450

Ihedinobi3:
I think she's a she.
I don't care because it is not relevant to the conversation I am having, dear friend.

budaatum is he

LordReed:
Unlike you I have evidence.

https://www.nairaland.com/4906214/there-no-such-things-witchcraft/8#73991450

I read that "evidence" when its ink was still wet.
"Hell" will first freeze over before budaatum gets his imaginary million pounds in his bank account recognised
and a salesperson who'd accept it, for him buying everyone a top car!

You LordReed are on a long thing. You've backed the wrong horse
and I am not surprised you have because the promise of a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow
often makes greedy people say or do irrational things

MuttleyLaff:
budaatum is he

I read that "evidence" when its ink was still wet.
"Hell" will first freeze over before budaatum gets his imaginary million pounds in his bank account recognised
and a salesperson who'd accept it, for him buying everyone a top car!

You LordReed are on a long thing. You've backed the wrong horse
and I am not surprised you have because the promise of a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow
often makes greedy people say or do irrational things

LMFAO! And he types this without irony. O my days! LMFAO!

budaatum come and see this your guy o! LMFAO!

Meanwhile don't digress, you said you'll convert if budaa finds just one person that believes, now you have evidence you want to chicken out. You heathen! Believe the budaa and be saved!

LordReed:
LMFAO! And he types this without irony. O my days! LMFAO!

budaatum come and see this your guy o! LMFAO!

Meanwhile don't digress, you said you'll convert if budaa finds just one person that believes, now you have evidence you want to chicken out. You heathen! Believe the budaa and be saved!

Oh poor you,
somebody please tell him that budaatum was stringing him along
budaatum deceived you by letting you believe him
He gave you false hopes and made you believe on an imaginary million pounds in his bank account. SMH.

MuttleyLaff:
Oh poor you,
somebody please tell him that budaatum was stringing him along
budaatum deceived you by letting you believe him
He gave you false hopes and made you believe on an imaginary million pounds in his bank account. SMH.

Guy stop being a chicken and stick to your words.

Ihedinobi3:

Atheism and Christianity are parallel universes so even the basic assumptions and axioms we argue from are different. This is why I prefer not to join issues with you. Still, we may be able to achieve some clarity in communication, who knows?

The inconsistency is this: you argue that a loving God should not create a hell to punish sinners but you also hold that evil should be punished..

I do hope we can achieve some clarity in communication though I think you misrepresent my position.

Here is what I said and what I think you refer to:

"God should forgive more than it asks its creations to forgive. A million time a million times more, at least. "

Considering that some humans would likely use up that quota, then of course once they have, punishment would and should follow. And if said God's form of punishment is hell, which it would have created for that purpose, why please wouldn't it use it? Would I not punish my child with a rod, if that's my preferred mode of punishment, and after I have forgiven the same sin even only just twice, because, I love my child?! Is it not in fact the love that I have for my child that would make me bother to punish it?

Please do show me where I said what you claimed above. It is not a position I believe I have expressed. My apologies for giving you work. See it please as correcting and ministering to me, and to achieve some clarity in communication.

LordReed:
Guy stop being a chicken and stick to your words.

Where is the saleperson that recognises and accepts the imaginary million pounds in his bank account.?

Sebi, that is when you'll be in a position to get your bum on seat and grubby hands behind the steering wheel?
Where, where is the salesperson!?

MuttleyLaff, please do us all a favour and consider shutting up. You are muddling the thread with your ungrownupness!