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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Bundaweber: 9:45pm On Dec 24, 2018
LuciferCatholic:





You contradict yourself.

You say "Yes he wasn't born on December 25th" and "there's a 100% chance he was born on December 25th".

Which one is it uncle?

Quoting Bible verses do not justify anything if you cannot provide incontrovertible proof - especially since the Bible's authenticity cannot be verified.



Reasons for Christmas being a pagan holiday wasn't because of Nimrod (another embarrassing error on your part), it is because of the Roman Sun God - Mithra.

1. Dies Natalis Solis Invicti means 'birthday of the unconquered sun' and was held on December 25th (when the Romans thought the Winter Solstice took place) and was the 'birthday' of the Pagan Sun god Mithra.

Years after Jesus' death, Christianity gradually grew popular & incited a lot of riots in the Roman Empire. Emperor Constantine had to merge the pagan Sun God celebration (Sol Invictus) with Christian doctrines to pacify both parties. The Bible you read today was revised by Bishops & politicians & many books were removed & banned at the Council of Nicaea.

Even the sunday you attend churches was gotten from the pagan religion of Mithraism, the holy day was Sunday and is where we get that word from!



2. Jesus couldn't have been born on December 25th because according to his birth story, shepherds flocked at night.

Shepherds don't flock outside in the Middle East around December (winter). This happens around spring (October).

Its usually cold outside and even snows so how on earth could shepherds have been outside at night with sheep on a hill that would probably be snowcapped and devoid of any grass?!





are u sure that back then winter was in december?
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Alexis11: 9:50pm On Dec 24, 2018
KingOfAmebo:


May me and my lineage from start to finish not have anything to celebrate about in life, sorrow will be our breakfast, lunch and dinner...I guess that is simple enough.

No wonder you don't want us to enjoy our Christmas celebration. God help you! cool
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Nobody: 11:03pm On Dec 24, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
Jehovah's false witness, nowhere is it written that birthday belongs to pagans.

It belongs to believers joh,don't mind those Jehovah's Witnesses. That's why this faithful Muslim is acting the Santa Claus but keeping his FAITH as Santa is another way of propagating Christianity! cheesy cheesy

Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Nobody: 11:13pm On Dec 24, 2018
To unravel the SECRET of Christmas check this out! wink wink

Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by KingOfAmebo(m): 11:17pm On Dec 24, 2018
Alexis11:


No wonder you don't want me to enjoy my pagan celebration. God help you! cool

Ignorant fool.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Antivirus92(m): 5:38am On Dec 25, 2018
Bar1941:


Why should anyone read the jargons you wrote above when It's obvious your aim of writing it was to beg for xmas gifts. Christians see Jesus as a Lord and perfect example worthy of emulation and there is no proof from wherever that Jesus celebrated Xmas so why should we celebrate it?
was jesus a Christian
so why are u a Christian today??
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Nobody: 9:05am On Dec 25, 2018
Antivirus92:
was jesus a Christian
so why are u a Christian today??
Yes Sir Jesus was a Christian! Christianity is what God introduced after Adam brought all of us under the damnation of sin and death.
So to redeem us,we need a change of mindset from Adam's mindset,God arranged for Christianity through Abraham down to Jesus who lived after His baptism a Christian life and set a pattern for everyone who wants to regain what Adam lost(everlasting life).
So Jesus was a Christian Sir!
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by alBHAGDADI: 10:16am On Dec 25, 2018
TATIME:
Yes Sir Jesus was a Christian! Christianity is what God introduced after Adam brought all of us under the damnation of sin and death.
So to redeem us,we need a change of mindset from Adam's mindset,God arranged for Christianity through Abraham down to Jesus who lived after His baptism a Christian life and set a pattern for everyone who wants to regain what Adam lost(everlasting life).
So Jesus was a Christian Sir!

Jesus is not a Christian. Jesus is Christ himself. We his followers are the ones who are Christians which means Christ-like.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by alBHAGDADI: 12:18pm On Dec 25, 2018
Merry Christmas everyone.

Ignore the haters, let them keep hating in anger as we celebrate with chicken laps. grin

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Nobody: 12:40pm On Dec 25, 2018
alBHAGDADI:


Jesus is not a Christian. Jesus is Christ himself. We his followers are the ones who are Christians which means Christ-like.
There you go wrong again my friend! Because the one asking the question is trying to condemn CHRISTIANITY outrightly, so you need to be diplomatic in your response.
Jesus is indeed a Christian. God gave us Jesus in replacement of Adam(1Corinthians 15:45) we're supposed to live by the divine standards God gave Adam that's why we're all referred to as MAN in the Bible(Deuteronomy 8:3,Matthew 4:4) but since Adam rejected God's guidance God arranged for ANOTHER mediator, this time a spirit person from heaven, CHRIST is the perfect personality that God approves for everlasting life forfeited by Adam. John 3:16-18
Many have come before Jesus they tried to put on that PERSONALITY but failed(Act 5:36,37) it's only Jesus that successfully lived and died as that approved personality (Christ). So we can say He is the first to pass and survive the requirement,therefore He is the first Christian Himself!
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Nobody: 12:44pm On Dec 25, 2018
alBHAGDADI:


Merry Christmas everyone.

Ignore the haters, let them keep hating in anger as we celebrate with chicken laps. grin
It's not wrong to celebrate but Christians always avoid whatever is from PAGAN origin. As for chicken laps,you can always find fried ones in the refrigerator of the rich from January to December! wink wink
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by alBHAGDADI: 12:45pm On Dec 25, 2018
TATIME:
There you go wrong again my friend! Because the one asking the question is trying to condemn CHRISTIANITY outrightly, so you need to be diplomatic in your response.
Jesus is indeed a Christian. God gave us Jesus in replacement of Adam(1Corinthians 15:45) we're supposed to live by the divine standards God gave Adam that's why we're all referred to as MAN in the Bible(Deuteronomy 8:3,Matthew 4:4) but since Adam rejected God's guidance God arranged for ANOTHER mediator, this time a spirit person from heaven, CHRIST is the perfect personality that God approves for everlasting life forfeited by Adam. John 3:16-18
Many have come before Jesus they tried to put on that PERSONALITY but failed(Act 5:36,37) it's only Jesus that successfully lived and died as that approved personality (Christ). So we can say He is the first to pass and survive the requirement,therefore He is the first Christian Himself!
Mr Jehovah's false witness, go and knock on your neighbor's door and ask for Christmas chicken before you starve while arguing.

Adam was no mediator. There is only one mediator and that is Jesus Christ.

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by alBHAGDADI: 12:47pm On Dec 25, 2018
TATIME:
It's not wrong to celebrate but Christians always avoid whatever is from PAGAN origin. As for chicken laps,you can always find fried ones in the refrigerator of the rich from January to December! wink wink

Then leave the poor to enjoy their once in a lifetime chicken laps in peace.

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Nobody: 12:53pm On Dec 25, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
Mr Jehovah's false witness, go and knock on your neighbor's door and ask for Christmas chicken before you starve while arguing.

Adam was no mediator. There is only one mediator and that is Jesus Christ.
Adam wasn't a mediator but he passed on sin and death to you and i! Romans 5: 12 cheesy cheesy

Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by alBHAGDADI: 1:24pm On Dec 25, 2018
TATIME:
Adam wasn't a mediator but he passed on sin and death to you and i! Romans 5: 12 cheesy cheesy

The verse you quoted, where does it say Adam is a mediator?

Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:


Don't quote me again cos you will be ignored.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Nobody: 1:43pm On Dec 25, 2018
alBHAGDADI:


The verse you quoted, where does it say Adam is a mediator?

Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:


Don't quote me again cos you will be ignored.
It's like you need to know the meaning of the word MEDIATOR!
My friend it simply means someone through whom something is passed on to you! Adam PASSED ON SIN AND DEATH to everyone on earth, that's why the Bible called Jesus the last Adam because He is the one who will PASS ON everlasting life on to all obedient persons! 1Corinthians 15:45
You can ignore because you must be silenced when you come in contact with God's true servants. Isaiah 54:17! wink wink
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by alBHAGDADI: 2:21pm On Dec 25, 2018
TATIME:
It's like you need to know the meaning of the word MEDIATOR!
My friend it simply means someone through whom something is passed on to you! Adam PASSED ON SIN AND DEATH to everyone on earth, that's why the Bible called Jesus the last Adam because He is the one who will PASS ON everlasting life on to all obedient persons! 1Corinthians 15:45
You can ignore because you must be silenced when you come in contact with God's true servants. Isaiah 54:17! wink wink

Keep quiet.

Is that what mediator means in your dictionary?

Mediator means someone who ends a disagreement between two parties. Adam was no mediator because he wasn't ending any disagreement between any two parties just like Jesus is doing now.

And to show you that Adam was no mediator, the Bible says Jesus is the only mediator between man and God.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


If Adam was a mediator according to the meaning of the true word, betwwen who and who was he mediating?

I only dignifies you with this response because I didn't want your error to slide. But henceforth no more reply from me.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Nobody: 2:45pm On Dec 25, 2018
alBHAGDADI:


Keep quiet.

Is that what mediator means in your dictionary?

Mediator means someone who ends a disagreement between two parties. Adam was no mediator because he wasn't ending any disagreement between any two parties just like Jesus is doing now.

And to show you that Adam was no mediator, the Bible says Jesus is the only mediator between man and God.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


If Adam was a mediator according to the meaning of the true word, betwwen who and who was he mediating?

I only dignifies you with this response because I didn't want your error to slide. But henceforth no more reply from me.
KEEP QUIET.
Well you don't know what you're saying or doing,otherwise you won't be asking QUESTIONS and expecting your audience to stop replying! Luke 23:34 undecided undecided
If Adam had not eating from the forbidden fruit, who do you think would be MEDIATING between man and God? Or do you think the descendants of Adam needed Jesus at all in the beginning? For your information, Eve was replying Satan based on the information she received from God THROUGH Adam(the mediator)!
It was after Eve sinned that God spoke with her for the first time, and God never jumped HIS own protocol because HE questioned Adam first who directed HIS attention to Eve!
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by donnie(m): 2:54pm On Dec 25, 2018
MiddleDimension:


what i have written i have written.

john 19:22
...what I have written I have written.

cheesy

Okay o

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by nwanyionitsha: 8:18pm On Dec 25, 2018
alBHAGDADI:

Please, kindly excise patience in reading the below article. It will save you from the lies coming from those attacking Christmas.


Christmas has been coming under attack of recent with many claiming it is a pagan festival and has nothing to do with Jesus Christ nor his birthday as claimed by Christians. The attack use to be usually around Christmas period but these days they start attacking it right from January.

Let’s examine their argument and weigh them with the Bible to see whether it is accurate and worth making of Christians dump Christmas.

Their argument is just centered around the following themes: Birthday is pagan, Jesus wasn’t born on December 25th, Nimrod, Christmas tree is pagan etc. Let’s examine them one by one and even add more.


1. Birthday is a pagan practice


This statement is majorly held by the Jehovah’s Witnesses which are people in a false religion. They say the reason why Christians should not celebrate their birthday is because “two evil men” were the only ones recorded in the Bible to have celebrated their birthday.  The men are Pharaoh of Egypt and King Herod whom it is recorded that they killed someone on their birthday. Pharaoh killed his chief baker while Herod killed John the Baptist.

What the Jehovah's Witnesses are saying in essence is that because 2 men who existed ages ago decided to kill someone on their birthday, we all existing today should not acknowledge and celebrate our birthday. Which Bible verse says we shouldn't celebrate our birthday? There is no such command found in the Bible, so it is not a sin or wrong to celebrate one's birthday.

If you read Mathew 14;3-10 you will see that Herod killing John the Baptist was not because killing someone on one's birthday was a normal practice. He killed John just to fulfill his promise to his daughter that he would do whatever she wanted for dancing so greatly. His daughter requested for John's head and he had no choice but to fulfill it just to honor his word as a king.

As for Pharaoh, he did absolutely nothing wrong in killing his chief baker because the chief baker and his chief butler offended him.


Genesis 40:1

And it came to pass after these things, that the butler of the king of Egypt and his baker had offended their lord the king of Egypt.  

Pharaoh was even kind enough to spare his butler but killed the baker on his birthday. The punishment the baker got must actually be what he deserved according to the King of Egypt. So there is nothing wrong with him receiving his punishment accordingly.  Therefore, Pharaoh cannot be said to have done any wrong on his birthday. As a matter of fact, he did good, which is having mercy on one of the offenders. So, the talk of not celebrating birthday because two men killed someone on their's holds no water. Pharaoh's kindness of sparing the Butler is the reason why the children of Jacob were spared from famine because the Butler got to tell Pharaoh about the dream interpreting abilities of Joseph.

They also love to quote the below verse to discredit birthday celebration.


Ecc 7:1

A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one's birth.  

Yes, the day of one's death is better than the day of one's birth. But does the verse say the day of one's birth is bad? No. If the Bible says the day of one's death is BETTER than the day of one's birth, then it means the day of one's birth is GOOD. Remember Good, Better, Best. Now, since the day of one's birth is GOOD, then it means it is good to celebrate it. Until they can show a verse which says Christians should not celerbate birthdays, I will continue to celebrate birthdays including that of Jesus.

What they are doing by saying we shouldn't celebrate birthdays is basically speaking when God has not spoken. They are telling us to do what the Bible never said. The Bible says such people are teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. They tell me to do certain things and try to make it look like it is God that said so.

Matthew 15:9 

But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 


2. Jesus wasn’t born on December 25th  


Yes he wasn't born on December 25th, but there's a 100% chance that he was. They also say December 25th was formerly used to celebrate the birthday of Nimrod whom they say is a pagan God. Was Nimrod a god? The Bible and Jewish sources are the only books with accounts of Nimrod. The Bible says:


Genesis 10:8-9

8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.

9 He was a mighty hunter before the Lord: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord.

As seen above, the Bible didn't record anything bad about Nimrod because being a mighty hunter before God is not a bad description of a person. However, the other story about Nimrod can be found in Jewish Talmud written in the Middle Ages, hundreds of years after the New Testament had been in circulation. That's where you will find stories of how Nimrod was a god who married his mother and gave birth to a son Tamuz who also his reincarnation... blah blah blah. Those are all fables written thousands of years after Nimrod died and by people who didn't exist during his days. You can never find any Bible verse that says we shouldn't celebrate Christmas, but I can show you a verse that says we should stay away from Jewish Fables and the commandments of men which don't go with God's word.


Titus 1:14

Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.  

As a Christian, you are not to listen to the Jews or read their religious books other than you reading the Bible. The Jews have been rejected by God because they rejected Jesus Christ. I now wonder why anyone would be expecting me to abandon the celebration of the birth of Jesus my Lord and Savior simply because a book written by Christ rejecting Jews made false claims about Jesus. 

Do you also know that the Talmud of the Jews says that Jesus real father was a Roman soldier named Pantera who slept with Mary? Is that the same book who wrote lies about Nimrod and Jesus that you want to dump Christmas because of? The Jews are antichrists because their religion of Judaism rejects Jesus as the son of God, a thing which the Bible says qualifies one as an Antichrist.


1 John 2:22

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son

It is pretty clear why those Jews cooked up shady stories which many are now using to attack the celebration of Christmas. The birth of Jesus, which we celebrate on Christmas day, is a declaration that Judaism, the practice and religion of the Jews, is no longer valid. The birth of Jesus Christ put and end to their believe, that's why they are annoyed. It's silly for you bring the Nimrod information from people whom the Bible calls antichrists and expect me to receive it.

Once again, all those people who try to force you to do what is not written in the Bible which is the word of God, are actually teaching their man-made commandments and trying to make it the doctrines of God. They tell you not to celebrate Christmas but can't show you were God said so in the Bible.


Mathew 15:9

But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.  

December 25th may have been dedicated to the worship of a false god which I believe the people of those days were influenced by Satan to do such. But many of such people have today come to the realization of the true God and have turned that day into the celebration of him. Satan doesn't own any day because he never created one. All days were created by God and so it is not a bad thing picking any of those days to celebrate the birth of his son who came to save us from our sins. Since all days belong to God our father, what Christians of old did was repossess their father's possession and made it holy. It is the same thing that happens when a demon is driven out of an individual and the Holy Spirit enters into the individual to dwell. You can't tell me that such individual is still demonic, because demons can't reside where the Holy Spirit resides.

All those who say we shouldn't celebrate Christmas because December 25th was dedicated to a false god are just hypocrites. Got to their house, you will find a calendar on their wall, and this calendar contains days and months named after false gods. Examples are January dedicated to the false god Janus, Thursday dedicated to Thor, Saturday dedicated to Saturn etc. Are we now to stop existing on each of these days because some ignorant people dedicated them to false and weak gods? If those anti-christmas people say they don't have a calendar at home because they know it contains pagan names, don't they have a calendar app in the phones? Maybe they should throw their phones away because they are walking about with paganism. Apostle Paul said we can eat anything dedicated to gods and put it inside our belly. Any day dedicated to a false god can be taken by we Christians and dedicate it to the true God who created days.

Now, is there anything wrong with celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ, eating food with family on that day, exchanging gifts, singing Christmas Carol that most times quote Bible verses etc? There is nothing wrong at all. And for someone to sit somewhere and say Christmas is a wicked festival, I ask, what is wicked about all I listed above? Whoever says we are committing sin for celebrating the birth of our Savior Jesus Christ is a false accuser.


3. Christmas tree is pagan


I'll borrow a quote from Pastor Steven Anderson's sermon on the subject. Read below.


If you still think that Christmas trees are bad, then go right ahead, but let's at least look at the facts tonight, and that's all I want to do, is present the biblical facts tonight. In Jeremiah, Chapter 10, Verse 1, the Bible says, "Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O House of Israel. Thus sayeth the Lord, learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven, for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain, for one cut of the tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workmen with the ax, they deck it with silver and with gold, they fasten it with nails and with hammers that it move not."

Right now is where the anti-Christmas people stop reading, and they just take these couple of verses out of context. They stop reading, and they just take Verse 3 and 4, and they say, "Look, it is a vain, heathen custom to cut down a tree," okay, "And to deck it with silver and gold, and to fasten it with nails and hammers." Here's what they say. They say that's what you're doing when you decorate a Christmas tree. They say you've cut down a tree, and you're basically decking it with gold and silver, and they're saying because you put a gold and a silver ornament on it. Okay, that's their view. That is not what this scripture is talking about. If you stop reading right there, you could use that to convince people of your point, but that's not what it's really about, because keep reading.

Look at Verse 5. It says, "They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not. They must needs be borne because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them, for they cannot do evil. Neither also is it in them to do good. For as much as there is none like unto thee, O Lord." 

Stop. What this is talking about, and I'm going to prove it to you from the rest of the chapter, this is talking about cutting down a tree in the forest, and carving it into an idol that is silver or gold plated. When the Bible says that it is decked with gold and silver, that is not saying hanging a silver ball on it. When you deck something over with silver, okay, you are covering it with silver. For example, the deck on your house. Your house might have a deck, okay? It's a covering, is what that means. What the Bible is saying here is that they're carving it into an idol, because look, in Verse 5, he says, "They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not."

Look, nobody thinks that a Christmas tree can speak, or walk, or do good or evil, because it's a tree, right? There are people who carve a tree into an idol of a false god, and they think that that false god can speak, or walk, or do these things, okay? Keep reading. Jump down if you would to Verse 8. It says, "But they are altogether brutish and foolish. The stock," okay, talking about basically the stump of the tree that's being carved, "Is a doctrine of vanities." Watch. Silver spread into plates. Look. Is this a round, silver ornament hanging on the tree? Is this a silver garland? No. It's what I said. It's silver spread into plates, because it's being silver plated, or gold plated, okay? It says, "Silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Ufaz, the work of the workman, and of the hands of the founder." Okay?

Jump down to Verse 14. It says, "Every man is brutish in his knowledge. Every founder is confounded by the" what? Graven image. "For his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in him. They are vanity." Look, you can't just take two verses out of context. You have to read the whole chapter. This whole chapter is talking about the same subject. Notice the same words are being used. Look at Verse 3, okay? If you have a pen, you may want to underline a few key words here, okay? In Verse 3, the Bible says, "The customs of the people are" what? Vain, and then it says they cut down a tree, right? Okay, now if you jump down to where he's talking about the graven image, he says in Verse 15, "They are vanity."

Okay, so what is vain? He says, it's vain to cut down a tree and deck it with gold and silver, and think that it can walk, or talk, or do anything. It's not like the true God. It's a false god. Later on, he says that these graven images or molten images are vain. They are vanity. Okay, he's talking about the same thing. Up earlier, he said in Verse 9, silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Ufaz, the work of the workman at the hands of the founder. See the word "founder?" Jump down to verse 14. "Every man is brutish in his knowledge. Every founder is confounded by the graven image." If you look at this chapter, there's a continuity of thought here. We are on the same subject in Verse 14 that we were in Verse 3. He's going on and on about the fact that they are carving idols out of wood.

What does it mean to grave, to engrave something? If I brought in something to an artisan, and said, "I want this engraved," they're going to carve my name into it, or they're going to carve some kind of wording into it. Okay. What is molten? Molten comes from the word melting. You melt down metal. You melt silver. You melt gold. A graven image is an image that is carved of wood. A molten image is an image that is made of molten metal, okay, and what he's saying here is that they are carving a wooden idol, and then overlaying it, decking it, with molten gold and silver, and they believe that it is like unto the God of Israel. You know what? People today will often compare the God of the Bible to other gods. They'll say, "You know, why should I believe the God of the Bible any more than I believe in the god of Islam, or Buddha, or whatever?"

There's no God like unto the true God, and the idol is vanity. It can't talk. It has to be carried, and God makes it clear He never wants us to make any image of Him. Does the Bible specifically prohibit graven and molten images? Oh, yeah. It's one of the ten commandments. "Thou shall not make unto thee any graven image." Okay, so there's no question that graven images and molten images are sinful. That matches perfectly with what Jeremiah 10 is teaching, preaching against graven and molten images. To sit there and say, "This is a Christmas tree," and people will even say, "A Christmas tree is a graven image." Let me ask you something. Where's the engraving? Where is it carved? In what way, shape, or form is it carved in any way? Answer me that.

It is just a tree. You brought the tree, and you put it in the house. There's no carving. Nothing has been molten or melted. Look, it's not an image. What's an image? It's something that's made like unto an animal, or a human, or an angel, or a god. Okay, but hold on a second. They'll say, "Well," and go to Isaiah, Chapter 60. They'll say, "Well, you know, okay. It's not a graven image. You got me, Pastor Anderson." Look, can anybody actually say that a Christmas tree is a graven image when it has zero graving and zero molten? Okay, no. They just say, "Yeah, but Jeremiah 10 said not to do it." No, because we read the whole chapter, and it was clear that the tree that they're cutting down in the forest becomes a graven image.

Cutting down trees is not wrong, unless you're part of the Environmental Protection Agency or something. I don't see how you could say there's anything wrong with going into the forest and cutting down a tree, okay? The sin wasn't cutting down the tree. The sin was then graving the tree, carving the tree into an idol, and overlaying it with gold and silver that it might be worshiped.


To conclude this article, I'll say there is nothing wrong in chosen not to celebrate Christmas just as there is nothing wrong with celebrating it. The only wrong found is when those who don't celebrate it start trying to impose their idea on others as if it is a commandment of God when such is not written in the Bible.


Let me explain the below passage so you will understand fully.


Romans 14

Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful

And please don't forget to send me a Christmas gift. PM Now grin


Thank you again. Please we need more exposition.
Freezes topic on the name of Jesus and muslims and christians serving the same God, can you do something on that ?
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by nwanyionitsha: 8:19pm On Dec 25, 2018
Dami12345:
So this shit made first page?.

What is the use of a festival so shrouded with conspiracy, or a religion that constantly has to be defended whilst its " ever living God " is Muter than a silent fart. And as effective as the same Gods it came to replace.
The chosen of this God look more like drug Barron's and even work closely with them.

Anyways God works in mysterious ways, maybe Good is bad and bad is good in his own book. Because me I yam not understanding oh.
For christians only. Keep off.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by alBHAGDADI: 8:56pm On Dec 25, 2018
nwanyionitsha:
Thank you again. Please we need more exposition.
Freezes topic on the name of Jesus and muslims and christians serving the same God, can you do something on that ?

I did that a long time ago. See thread below.


https://www.nairaland.com/4276744/4-antichrist-statements-made-daddy
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by MiddleDimension: 9:02pm On Dec 25, 2018
donnie:


cheesy

Okay o

whats amusing you?
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by nwanyionitsha: 9:05pm On Dec 25, 2018
alBHAGDADI:


I did that a long time ago. See thread below.


https://www.nairaland.com/4276744/4-antichrist-statements-made-daddy
Thank you.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Dnaz(m): 9:09pm On Dec 25, 2018
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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by donnie(m): 9:30pm On Dec 25, 2018
MiddleDimension:


whats amusing you?
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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Barristter07: 8:01am On Dec 26, 2018
MadamExcellency:


Were those festivals called Christmas?

Hypocrite.

Do you mean people don't celebrate on Sango festive days based on coincidence?

Every festival has a unique name hence are different no matter how similar provided the dedication is different, they are not the same.


The Bible warns your type to stop being busybody in other men's matter.

If you don't celebrate, it's good but don't go about badmouthing others who don't harm you with their happiness


Emotion as usual, be objective please

Paul that wrote Romans 14, DIDNT CELEBRATE Christmas either, did he?

If romans 14:5,6 that u quote earlier is saying celebrate any festival even if its pagan, Christians would be free to celebrate Muslim, Buddist, Shintp holy days , or traditional religious days.

I know the delusion of partying is strong, no wonder u are willing to twist an innocent scripture regarding Jewish holy days commanded in the Hebrew scripture to support a pagan festival that's foreign to the apostles and the bible

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by MadamExcellency: 8:18am On Dec 26, 2018
Barristter07:


Emotion as usual, be objective please

Paul that wrote Romans 14, DIDNT CELEBRATE Christmas either, did he?

If romans 14:5,6 that u quote earlier is saying celebrate any festival even if its pagan, Christians would be free to celebrate Muslim, Buddist, Shintp holy days , or traditional religious days.

I know the delusion of partying is strong, no wonder u are willing to twist an innocent scripture regarding Jewish holy days commanded in the Hebrew scripture to support a pagan festival that's foreign to the apostles and the bible

I am led by the spirit ofJesus Christ hence I am born again with Holy Spirit bearing me witness 24 hours of a day. If I fall into slightest sin, I always lose my peace until I reconcile with my heavenly father and also make restitution to whoever I offended. I have personal experience with Jesus Christ hence I don't need your endless genealogy that do bring strife.

Holiness is my standard. I will celebrate Christ always in my life and will commemorate his birth on 25th December because the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ didn't condemn me, I am free and no Antichrist or devil advocate can judge me because my intentions are holy and my sacrifices acceptable to God.


Hypocrites can have their way chasing shadows instead of love, righteousness, good deeds and purity of heart through grace and by trusting in the Lord Jesus Christ
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Barristter07: 8:24am On Dec 26, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
nowhere is it written that birthday belongs to pagans.


Ignorant fellow, Don't u see the quote from world book encyclopedia?

Why does the Bible reference only pagans celebrating their birthdays ?

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Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Nobody: 8:25am On Dec 26, 2018
MadamExcellency:


I am led by the spirit ofJesus Christ hence I am born again with Holy Spirit bearing me witness 24 hours. If I fall into slightest sin, I always lose my peace until I reconcile with my heavenly father and also make restitution to whoever I offended. I have personal experience with Jesus Christ hence I don't need your endless genealogy that do bring strife.

Holiness is my standard. I will celebrate Christ always in my life and will commemorate his birth of 25th December because the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ didn't condemn me, I am free and no Antichrist or devil advocate can judge me because my intentions are holy and my sacrificed acceptable to God.


Hypocrites can have their way chasing shadows instead of righteousness, good deeds and purity of heart.
You're hereby declared Holy and Righteous 100% for this beautiful SELF APPRAISAL.You're blessed! cheesy cheesy
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by MadamExcellency: 8:30am On Dec 26, 2018
TATIME:
You're hereby declared Holy and Righteous 100% for this beautiful SELF APPRAISAL.You're blessed! cheesy cheesy

By grace, we are saved, not of works lest any human will boast.
Re: Don't Let Anyone Lie To You That Christmas Is A Pagan Festival by Barristter07: 8:35am On Dec 26, 2018
MadamExcellency:


I am led by the spirit ofJesus Christ hence I am born again with Holy Spirit bearing me witness 24 hours of a day. If I fall into slightest sin, I always lose my peace until I reconcile with my heavenly father and also make restitution to whoever I offended. I have personal experience with Jesus Christ hence I don't need your endless genealogy that do bring strife.

Holiness is my standard. I will celebrate Christ always in my life and will commemorate his birth on 25th December because the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ didn't condemn me, I am free and no Antichrist or devil advocate can judge me because my intentions are holy and my sacrifices acceptable to God.


Hypocrites can have their way chasing shadows instead of love, righteousness, good deeds and purity of heart through grace and by trusting in the Lord Jesus Christ
How does this remove Christmas from Paganism

You are led By Jesus spirit and didn't know scripture SAID " Do not go beyond the things that are written " - 1Cor 4:6

You have already gone BEYOND what's written by celebrating what God didn't command in the scripture

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