TATIME:
@HellVictorinho
True Christians only make presentations to you about what we've got. If you've found WISDOM in it then ask for how to contact us or how we can locate you for further enlightenment or inquiries about our BOOK(Bible)
But if you're determined never to give any room for FAITH again, we understand how you feel and what could have prompted such decisions, we'll only implore you to reconsider the chances of meeting with true representatives of the author of that BOOK.
Freewill is about choosing whatever you'll like to do with your life, so NOBODY should pester you into succumbing to their own reasoning. You're a FREE agent my friend! Thanks

TATIME:
According to the BOOK, he was given authority over ALL OTHER CREATURES THAT IS ON THE EARTH. That's not too difficult for me to agree with because i can see that those the BOOK called the descendants of that first extraordinary personality Adam are still dominating all other creatures on earth today! Man doesn't have the strength to stand before Elephants,Lions,Tigers,Rhinoceros,Crocodiles,Whales,Sharks and so on but man has the ability to cage any of them at will and what's more? Man can send them to extinct at will!
Certainly they were all created to be CONTROLLED by the only dominating creature on earth today known as MAN!
Your doubts about the BOOK now is the result of misinformed religious groups misrepresenting the BOOK, they thought you according to the level of their ignorance coupled with their selfish interest in extorting money from you. So if you're finding faults with the BOOK, it's not that the book can't answer all your questions but it's due to how they've twisted what was written in it to fit in to their own ignorance,therefore you determination to start using your brains now is a welcomed development, it will help you to IDENTIFY those who supposed to explain what was written in the BOOK to you!

HellVictorinho:

Stop typing stuff like this.I know what the book is all about.I am not finding faults with the book. And I just want you to understand that The Glorious Lunatic/Lucifer who became The Indispensable Rebel/Satan shouldn't be regarded by people like me.I don't give a bleep about anyone's misinterpretation. Why don't you just admit that you are only trying to use your brain to explain what I have stated?Why don't you also admit that I know what you are trying to prove?You said all creatures have turned against man and now you are saying man can drive all of them into extinction. Do you think I have never heard of biology?

TATIME:
Please i tender my apology if i've typed anything that's offensive Sir.
You said you're not faithless, so can you share what you've got with me as in your FAITH? Because i think faith is the assured expectations of things hoped for the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld{Hebrew 11:1}. I'm sure you will agree with me that such couldn't be kept to oneself if it's truly FAITH!

HellVictorinho:


I believe I can still go further in life.I believe in the greatness of my abilities. I believe in the greatness of some other people's abilities also.And I am not as old as you might imagine.

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmm thanks for the openness. Well to be specific my faith totally differs from yours,i believe ONLY in Jesus of Nazareth and all my life is centered on his thoughts, words and actions as found written in the Bible.
When it comes to ABILITIES,i believe i'm not strong enough to continue with all these wickedness that's happening around me today but with the faith i'm having in Jesus i'm sure i'll make it to the end and never succumb to the spirit of the world!

HellVictorinho:


Fine!!!!!

TATIME:
Close to 2,000 years ago when Jesus started this movement back then in Judea, it seems impossible that what He was saying could be unachievable.
But today the Bible and Jehovah's Witnesses are indisputable evidence of what that young Nazarene said back then, He laid down His life for this course and today i can wholeheartedly say Jesus has achieved globally what He instituted with a very small group of 12 Jews some 2,000 years ago!
Over 8million souls have surrendered using force to achieve their objectives, clinging to the hope of a coming ruler who will end all wickedness.
A worldwide brotherhood has been formed,different individuals from enemy nations on this planet are coming together now as one happy global family.
Obedient and peace loving youths have been raised by an organization today despite the degraded morality in the society
So my friend, the EVIDENCE is here already but it's you and countless ATHEISTS like you that's denying what you can SEE with your own eyes!

MhizAngel99:


That's not evidence. That's just baby poo
Argumentum ad populum. That basically sums up what you just said. Christianity is indeed the most famous religion globally but did you know that islam is the fastest growing religion, and will unseat christianity by the year 2070? In fact, in countries like Japan and majority, if not all of Europe, the number of atheists are increasing greatly and Christianity is beginning to fizzle out. The popularity of the subject means nothing here. There still exists no testifiable evidence for the existence of a god, just as there is none for Thor. The bible is as good an evidence for god, as a Marvel comic is for thor. I'd even go as far as to argue that it is logically impossible for a god to exist. A deist god maybe (one who doesn't interfere with reality and communicate with people). But not a theist god e.g. Yahweh, Allah etc.

TATIME:
It's not easy to debunk what is obvious Sir, Jesus said so many things as recorded in the Bible, He never said His followers will overshadow other religious groups but that they will continue to increase in number.
Jehovah's Witnesses (TRUE CHRISTIANS) are doing just exactly what Jesus said His followers will be doing in our time!
*they will continue the preaching and teaching program no matter what happens. Matthew 24:11-14
*they will form a global family out of different races of people. John 13:34,35
*they will not participate in political affairs of any kind. John 17:14-16
*they will rely solely on what they're reading in the Bible. John 17:17
*they will be known everywhere as peacemakers doing nothing with force or use of harmful weapons. Matthew 26:52
*despite all of these they'll be object of hatred by all people. Matthew 20:22,John 17:14

Of course Jesus said there will be FAKE Christians as well but He made it clear that "by their fruit" you will realise that they're not His TRUE followers. Matthew 7:15-20
So if you don't want the TRUTH it's OK,but lovers of TRUTH will know it and it will set our minds at rest or in other words FREE! John 8:32

MhizAngel99:


LMAO. I mean never mind that you completely ignored the stats i showed you, you literally have no evidence outside the bible that proves ur god's existence. I'm done with you. You're clearly a slowpoke who lacks the intelligence to properly scrutinize what he knows.
You are free to invite me back for an actual discussion using logic when you can xplain...
1. ...how your god can create time and still be subject to it via change of heart and change of mood.
2. ...how your god can create logic and still be subject to it via requiring a thought process to make decisions
3. How your god can be omniscient and still have free will
4. How your god can be omnibenevolent and omnipotent and yet evil exists.
5. How your god is distinguishable from the thousands of gods of thousands of religions out there
6. How an omnibenevolent god can purposely cause conflict and war by actively hiding all evidence of his existence?
7. How earthquakes, diseases, and physical illnesses exist in a world created by an omnibenevolent god
8. How praying to an omniscient god is useful in any way
9. How god will judge those who died without hearing the gospel and accepting jesus as saviour. Even if they led good lives.
Bonus question. What evidence is there to suggest that ur god is male?
Unless you are willing to answer these questions, don't bother quoting me, cos i won't even reply to ur dumb ass.

MhizAngel99:


LMAO. I mean never mind that you completely ignored the stats i showed you, you literally have no evidence outside the bible that proves ur god's existence. I'm done with you. You're clearly a slowpoke who lacks the intelligence to properly scrutinize what he knows.
You are free to invite me back for an actual discussion using logic when you can xplain...
1. ...how your god can create time and still be subject to it via change of heart and change of mood.
2. ...how your god can create logic and still be subject to it via requiring a thought process to make decisions
3. How your god can be omniscient and still have free will
4. How your god can be omnibenevolent and omnipotent and yet evil exists.
5. How your god is distinguishable from the thousands of gods of thousands of religions out there
6. How an omnibenevolent god can purposely cause conflict and war by actively hiding all evidence of his existence?
7. How earthquakes, diseases, and physical illnesses exist in a world created by an omnibenevolent god
8. How praying to an omniscient god is useful in any way
9. How god will judge those who died without hearing the gospel and accepting jesus as saviour. Even if they led good lives.
Bonus question. What evidence is there to suggest that ur god is male?
Unless you are willing to answer these questions, don't bother quoting me, cos i won't even reply to ur dumb ass.

adoyi8:


This should end the argument but the zombies will reply with more nonsense.

TATIME:
Thanks for your time Sir. But i want you to know that our leader Jesus Christ commissioned a preaching and TEACHING program to tackle any question that may arise as a result of mishaps affecting our joy and peaceful existence on earth.
So i'll answer just two of your questions now(using our BOOK and if you prefer reasoning without the BOOK it's also a welcomed development)
If you find the answers appealing then i'll direct you to true Christians for a free home Bible study to address all other questions!
Please Sir, pick just TWO of your numerous questions that interests you most? Thanks!

MhizAngel99:


1. If u took d time to look at my username, u'll knw am a girl
2. U can start by answering d first two

TATIME:
@MhizAngel99
True Christians are preparing their minds for what the Bible calls Armageddon.

TATIME:
If not Jehovah's Witnesses, which religious organization could unravel such sacred secret?

TATIME:
@MhizAngel99
Q9: All those who lived virtuous lives have chances(Psalms 37:7-11) of partaking in the global educational program of Christ's reign which will last for 1,000 years. Revelations 20:3 Only Christians (those who have agreed to live the Christlike way) will be declared righteous but those who lived by conscience are unrighteous before God so if they never had the opportunity of meeting with Christians, God will give them that grace as they'll be resurrected as UNRIGHTEOUS persons. Romans 10:1-4 compared to Act 24:15
No matter how good they may think they are,if they reject the role model God is presenting they're not worthy for everlasting life! John 3:16-18
So they'll not have any share in the resurrection, it's mainly for virtuous ones who are willing to submit to guidance!
Q10:
*God made MAN in HIS image.Genesis 1:26
*FEMALE were taken from MALE.Genesis 2:19-22
*Angels(God's son) came down and marry the DAUGHTERS of men. Genesis 6:2
*God's word ALWAYS omits FEMALES during documentation unless if something significant happens through a WOMAN. Genesis 4:1,2 5:4 compared to Mark 6:3
*God won't permit FEMALES to officiate in the presence of QUALIFIED males so they must cover their heads as a sign that such assignment is not for FEMALES! 1Corinthians 11:7-10
*Where God's people are worshiping, FEMALES must learn in silence. 1Timothy 2:12
*Jesus chose 12 out of numerous disciples to become Apostles, all were MALES
So please don't feel offended for these because FEMALES are unique creatures as well,we can conclude that all spirit beings are Masculine!

MhizAngel99:

I asked 4 the first two questions.

joseph1013:
"THE BIRTH OF BIGOTRY

What about monotheism, then? Doesn’t Judaism at least deserve special praise for pioneering the belief in a single God, which was unparalleled anywhere else in the world (even if this belief was then spread to the four corners of the earth by Christians and Muslims more than by Jews)?

We can quibble even about that, since the first clear evidence for monotheism comes from the religious revolution of Pharaoh Akhenaten around 1350 bc, and documents such as the Mesha Stele (erected by the Moabite King Mesha) indicate that the religion of biblical Israel was not all that different from the religion of neighbouring kingdoms such as Moab. Mesha describes his great god Chemosh in almost the same way that the Old Testament describes Yahweh.

But the real problem with the idea that Judaism contributed monotheism to the world is that this is hardly something to be proud of. From an ethical perspective, monotheism was arguably one of the worst ideas in human history.

Monotheism did little to improve the moral standards of humans – do you really think Muslims are inherently more ethical than Hindus, just because Muslims believe in a single god while Hindus believe in many gods? Were Christian conquistadores more ethical than pagan Native American tribes? What monotheism undoubtedly did was to make many people far more intolerant than before, thereby contributing to the spread of religious persecutions and holy wars.

Polytheists found it perfectly acceptable that different people will worship different gods and perform diverse rites and rituals. They rarely if ever fought, persecuted, or killed people just because of their religious beliefs. Monotheists, in contrast, believed that their God was the only god, and that He demanded universal obedience. Consequently, as Christianity and Islam spread around the world, so did the incidence of crusades, jihads, inquisitions and religious discrimination.

Compare, for example, the attitude of Emperor Ashoka of India in the third century bc to that of the Christian emperors of the late Roman Empire. Emperor Ashoka ruled an empire teeming with myriad religions, sects and gurus. He gave himself the official titles of ‘Beloved of the Gods’ and ‘He who regards everyone with affection’. Sometime around 250 bc, he issued an imperial edict of tolerance which proclaimed that:

Beloved-of-the-Gods, the king who regards everyone with affection, honours both ascetics and the householders of all religions … and values that there should be growth in the essentials of all religions. Growth in essentials can be done in different ways, but all of them have as their root restraint in speech, that is, not praising one’s own religion, or condemning the religion of others without good cause … Whoever praises his own religion, due to excessive devotion, and condemns others with the thought ‘Let me glorify my own religion’, only harms his own religion. Therefore contact between religions is good. One should listen to and respect the doctrines professed by others. Beloved-of-the-Gods, the king who regards everyone with affection, desires that all should be well learned in the good doctrines of other religions.

Five hundred years later, the late Roman Empire was as diverse as Ashoka’s India, but when Christianity took over, the emperors adopted a very different approach to religion. Beginning with Constantine the Great and his son Constantius II, the emperors closed all non-Christian temples and forbade so-called ‘pagan’ rituals on pain of death. The persecution culminated under the reign of Emperor Theodosius – whose name means ‘Given by God’ – who in 391 issued the Theodosian Decrees that effectively made all religions except Christianity and Judaism illegal (Judaism too was persecuted in numerous ways, but it remained legal to practise it).

According to the new laws, one could be executed even for worshipping Jupiter or Mithras in the privacy of one’s own home. As part of their campaign to cleanse the empire of all infidel heritage, the Christian emperors also suppressed the Olympic Games. Having been celebrated for more than a thousand years, the last ancient Olympiad was held sometime in the late fourth or early fifth century.

Of course, not all monotheist rulers were as intolerant as Theodosius, whereas numerous rulers rejected monotheism without adopting the broad-minded policies of Ashoka. Nevertheless, by insisting that ‘there is no god but our God’ the monotheist idea tended to encourage bigotry. Jews would do well to downplay their part in disseminating this dangerous meme, and let the Christians and Muslims carry the blame for it."

~ Yuval Noah Harari's "21 Lessons for the 21st Century"

TATIME:
Most people likes lying to their own soul! You're blaiming all "believers" for evil deeds committed in the name of religion. I've been trying to explain to you that TRUE Christians NEVER participate in killing of any kind.
But you've resolved to blame everyone claiming believers for your choice to become FAITHLESS!
Know today that true Christians are now been separated from the religious confusion that Satan created to turn everyone against the true God!
According to Jesus, before the destruction of ungodly people true worshippers will be
*SEPARATED from other religious groups.
*known for love amongst themselves.
*have nothing to do with WORLDLY politics.
*preaching and teaching globally.
*have youths well mannered.
*hated for purity and equity.
So if you're now blaming religion for your faithlessness, know today that your claims are unjustified. It could be during the dark ages when TRUE Christianity wasn't standing out!

ogyunging:
Joseph1013

Most people tend to believe they are the centre of the world, and their culture is the linchpin of human history. Many Greeks believe that history began with Homer, Sophocles and Plato, and that all important ideas and inventions were born in Athens, Sparta, Alexandria or Constantinople. Chinese nationalists retort that history really began with the Yellow Emperor and the Xia and Shang dynasties, and that whatever Westerners, Muslims or Indians achieved is but a pale copy of original Chinese breakthroughs.

Hindu nativists dismiss these Chinese boasts, and argue that even airplanes and nuclear bombs were invented by ancient sages in the Indian subcontinent long before Confucius or Plato, not to mention Einstein and the Wright brothers. Did you know, for example, that it was Maharishi Bhardwaj who invented rockets and aeroplanes, that Vishwamitra not only invented but also used missiles, that Acharya Kanad was the father of atomic theory, and that the Mahabharata accurately describes nuclear weapons?

Yo friend.
I read the Mahabharata and Ramayana growing up, I always thought the stories had a bit of truth in them. Your write up just blew my mind. I have to go back and devour them. Bless

joseph1013:

Apologies for ignoring you.

I've been on the road most of the time and would want to finish the books I planned to read last year, so the time and brain to craft replies to you have been eluding me.

I will still get to them, or may be we will just start afresh when I'm ready.

But a quick one, what you just wrote up there is an example of a No True Scotsman fallacy. Remember the way liberal Muslims say that Jihadists are not true Muslims for their terrorist activities.

You may want to look up the logical fallacy. Fallacies are not valid arguments.

joseph1013:



You may want to look up the logical fallacy. Fallacies are not valid arguments.

budaatum:

Here, Tatime, is a list of fallacies that might be of help.