XxSabrinaxX:

He did, didn't he?

Now you'll agree with me that God is omniscient, right? I mean that's one of His defining properties. All knowledge of the past, present and the future is contained in him. All his choices are predetermined. He cannot have free will because that would contradict His omniscience. There's no logic to be found there.

So are you telling me that God was not aware of the choices Adam and Eve would make when the Serpent seduced them? There are only two logical answers i can draw out here

a) He was fully aware of the choices they'd make, but went ahead to punish them and their subsequent descendants with pain, labour, suffering, death etc. Explain to me how God is benevolent in this scenario? He knew exactly what was going to happen but he went ahead to plant that Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and create a sin loop in the process.

b) He was not aware of the choices they'd make which completely contradicts God's omniscience.

Psalm 147:5
Great is our Lord and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite.

1 John 3:20
in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things.

Psalm 139:1-4
Even before there is a word on my tongue, Behold, O LORD, You know it all.

Matthew 10:30
"But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

Hebrews 4:13
And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.

Psalm 139:1-3
O LORD, You have searched me and known me. You know when I sit down and when I rise up; You understand my thought from afar. You scrutinize my path and my lying down, And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.

Psalm 44:21
Would not God find this out? For He knows the secrets of the heart.

So, if i may ask, what's God's excuse?

Your post makes no sense.


Everything can be predetermined. If God Almighty is testing mankind the wicked could be deliberately created for the test. This is common sense.

OpenYourEyes1:


Your post makes no sense.


Everything can be predetermined. If God Almighty is testing mankind the wicked could be deliberately created for the test. This is common sense.

I think its you who doesn't understand my question. Let me just make it short:
Why is God punishing man and His unborn children for a choice He already knew they'll make? What point is he trying to prove here? That he can do anything he likes cause "SCREW YOU, I'M GOD"?

"Everything can be predetermined"
By who? God or man? If man, then how?

"If God Almighty is testing mankind the wicked could be deliberately created for the test"
What's the point of a test if God already knows the outcome? You can't tell me God didn't know they'll eat the fruit. The verses i quoted above annul that line of thought.

"This is common sense"
You've answered nothing. I ask again, what is God's excuse?

JasonScoolari:
Calling God evil and incredibly insane? Well, maybe you're referring to the "god" you serve.

Who wants to fight? I am not a fighter abeg.

God ALMIGHTY the creator of Yahweh isn't evil or good. God Almighty is the totality of existence and it did not create hell fire. Yahweh who ever imagined hell fire with his mind is currently in a spiritual cage.

XxSabrinaxX:


I think its you who doesn't understand my question. Let me just make it short:
Why is God punishing man and His unborn children for a choice He already knew they'll make? What point is he trying to prove here? That he can do anything he likes cause "SCREW YOU, I'M GOD"?

"Everything can be predetermined"
By who? God or man? If man, then how?

"If God Almighty is testing mankind the wicked could be deliberately created for the test"
What's the point of a test if God already knows the outcome? You can't tell me God didn't know they'll eat the fruit. The verses i quoted above annul that line of thought.

"This is common sense"
You've answered nothing. I ask again, what is God's excuse?

God does not condone lawlessness.

It's thesame reason planet Jupiter sucks up wandering space debris in our solar system, whether small or large debris. This is why we have orderliness in our solar system and universe.

You guys really wish we had a God who tolerate lawlessness OR a God who does not punish bad behavior.
Imagine the solar system without Jupiter sucking up straying debris. No life would exist on earth. The Solar system would be filled with disorderliness. Nowhere in nature is bad behavior condoned. So why would our Creator condone it?


God will destroy every derailed soul whether we like it or not. He is a God of Justice.

OpenYourEyes1:


God does not condone lawlessness.

It's thesame reason planet Jupiter sucks up wandering space debris in our solar system, whether small or large debris. This is why we have orderly solar system and universe.

You guys really wish we had a God who tolerate lawlessness OR a God who does not punish bad behavior.
Imagine the solar system without Jupiter sucking up straying debris. No life would exist on earth. The Solar system would be filled with disorderliness. Nowhere in nature is bad behavior condoned. So why would our Creator condone it?


God will destroy every derailed soul whether we like it or not. He is a God of Justice.

Not only have you dodged my question mightily, you've gone on to rant about.... nothing honestly

First of all, i'm not saying God should not punish people for sinning. I'm saying he should not punish people IF HE ALREADY KNOWS WHAT COURSE OF ACTION THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE.

A god that is all loving and omnibenevolent won't have planted the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil if he already knew that man would eat of it and subsequently cause an endless loop of sin through the generations. I've heard some say that it wasn't God that planted that tree, but even that argument fails because God is omnipotent and omnibenevolent and he can simply delete the tree from existence if he knows it will cause his "beloved" creation to be subjected to the eternal consequences of sin. God knows all of this.

I'm asking again, and this is the third time: What is God's excuse?

OpenYourEyes1:


Your post makes no sense.


Everything can be predetermined. If God Almighty is testing mankind the wicked could be deliberately created for the test. This is common sense.

You don't test what you already know. Now that's common sense.

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmm you truly did answer what you meant by FAITH and to the best of my understanding it's like you believe "different people have abilities to go further in life"!
Whereas my definition of FAITH is believing in "a role model for all men to shapen our mindset for a better coexistence"!
You can compare the two to SEE the flaws in your definition.
One talks about each person exhibiting his/her abilities leading to all sort of injurious ambitions.
While the later talks about principle that will guide all intelligent beings so that no one misuse the gift of FREEWILL!

I never defined faith!!!!!
And I don't give a damn about what anyone calls faith.
You should know that 'faith' as a word is synonymous with 'belief' and you shouldn't lecture me on what to believe.
The Faith you are talking about is your cross.
And I don't need it

adoyi8:


You don't test what you already know. Now that's common sense.

A King can test his brilliant Prince to prove to his subjects he can be a good successor. A company can test a product in the presence of customer to prove its durability.

This is exactly what is going in heaven according to the Bible. God is testing mankind in the presence of angels and heavenly hosts. He knows already what you will become. The angels don't know this. Destroying the world without giving everyone a fair chance may be considered unfair by the angels and the host of heaven. He is fair and just God

XxSabrinaxX:




Not only have you dodged my question mightily, you've gone on to rant about.... nothing honestly

First of all, i'm not saying God should not punish people for sinning. I'm saying he should not punish people IF HE ALREADY KNOWS WHAT COURSE OF ACTION THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE.

A god that is all loving and omnibenevolent won't have planted the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil if he already knew that man would eat of it and subsequently cause an endless loop of sin through the generations. I've heard some say that it wasn't God that planted that tree, but even that argument fails because God is omnipotent and omnibenevolent and he can simply delete the tree from existence if he knows it will cause his "beloved" creation to be subjected to the eternal consequences of sin. God knows all of this.

I'm asking again, and this is the third time: What is God's excuse?

God is testing mankind.


"Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth."
https://biblehub.com/revelation/3-10.htm

OpenYourEyes1:


A King can test his brilliant Prince to prove to his subjects he can be a good successor. A company can test a product in the presence of customer to prove its durability.

This is exactly what is going in heaven according to the Bible. God is testing mankind in the presence of angels and heavenly hosts. He knows already what you will become. The angels don't know this. Destroying the world without giving everyone a fair chance may be considered unfair by the angels and the host of heaven. He is fair and just God

Your post basically sums up one of the major reasons i reject religion: Humans don't have freewill. Everybody is just a pawn in God's sick game. Before any man is born, God already knows who's going to heaven and who's going to hell. Why would a "fair" god create a man just so he can condemn him to eternal damnation? How is this supposed to be "fair" in any meaning of the word?

How is God fair when little children are raped and tortured everyday, and cry out to Him in pain for Help and nothing happens. Little children die of cancer and God does nothing to help them.

Yet people hold on to the idea of a loving God anyway like a child holds on to an abusive parent.
It's an emotional sickness.

OpenYourEyes1:


A King can test his brilliant Prince to prove to his subjects he can be a good successor. A company can test a product in the presence of customer to prove its durability.

This is exactly what is going in heaven according to the Bible. God is testing mankind in the presence of angels and heavenly hosts. He knows already what you will become. The angels don't know this. Destroying the world without giving everyone a fair chance may be considered unfair by the angels and the host of heaven. He is fair and just God

A king is not omniscient so he can test his prince to know if he will be a good king or not. Company manufactures will test their products in the presence of a customer because they want to impress the customer. Who is an omnipotent god trying to impress?
Now that's common sense.

adoyi8:

A king is not omniscient so he can test his prince to know if he will be a good king or not. Company manufactures will test their products in the presence of a customer because they want to impress the customer. Who is an omnipotent god trying to impress?
Now that's common sense.

Stop replying such statements!!!
It's not worth it.

HellVictorinho:


Stop replying such statements!!!
It's not worth it.

Lol. am just bored.

adoyi8:

A king is not omniscient so he can test his prince to know if he will be a good king or not. Company manufactures will test their products in the presence of a customer because they want to impress the customer. Who is an omnipotent god trying to impress?
Now that's common sense.

You lack comprehension/made no sense, still your gang of brainwashed fanatics did not hesitate to like it.

The king is already aware of his prince brilliancy. He proves this to his subjects by testing him in their presence.


God did not try to impress Satan when he allowed him to tempt job.

XxSabrinaxX:


Your post basically sums up one of the major reasons i reject religion: Humans don't have freewill. Everybody is just a pawn in God's sick game. Before any man is born, God already knows who's going to heaven and who's going to hell. Why would a "fair" god create a man just so he can condemn him to eternal damnation? How is this supposed to be "fair" in any meaning of the word?

How is God fair when little children are raped and tortured everyday, and cry out to Him in pain for Help and nothing happens. Little children die of cancer and God does nothing to help them.

Yet people hold on to the idea of a loving God anyway like a child holds on to an abusive parent.
It's an emotional sickness.

God did not rape the little children. The rapist is why he created the "eternal damnation". No rapist will be allowed in God's kingdom unless they repent. God Righteous judgment is very fair.

Only the wicked will be destroyed forever. Why do you have problem with it.

OpenYourEyes1:


You lack comprehension/made no sense, still your gang of brainwashed fanatics did not hesitate to like it.

The king is already aware of his prince brilliancy. He proves this to his subjects by testing him in their presence.


God did not try to impress Satan when he allowed him to tempt job.

If a king tries to prove to his subjects that a prince is brilliant then it means that the king is not omnipotent (which you claim god is), he needs his subjects approval make some decisions.

We are talking about god testing man here. What is he trying to find out that he doesn't already know given that he is omniscient?

OpenYourEyes1:


God did not rape the little children. The rapist is why he created the "eternal damnation". No rapist will be allowed in God's kingdom unless they repent. God Righteous judgment is very fair.

Only the wicked will be destroyed forever. Why do you have problem with it.

Let's assume Satan is a real person in whatever dimension.
We will also have to accept that he was never sane.
He was actually 'A Glorious Lunatic' who became an 'Indispensable Rebel'.
Now,he has successfully made a mockery of his ex-master's ideas.
He just had to participate in the 'Humans-Default-Game' developed by his ex-master,so no one can stop him.
Later,the game will be updated and he will execute the final phase of the game that never ends,which is the destruction of the software.
But who would have thought the software are actually helpless humans who are nothing but 'Expressions of Pre-determimed Absurdity'.

adoyi8:



If a king tries to prove to his subjects that a prince is brilliant then it means that the king is not omnipotent (which you claim god is), he needs his subjects approval make some decisions.

We are talking about god testing man here. What is he trying to find out that he doesn't already know given that he is omniscient?

So an omnipotent God proving something makes him less omnipotent?

Hope you are OK.

OpenYourEyes1:


God did not rape the little children. The rapist is why he created the "eternal damnation". No rapist will be allowed in God's kingdom unless they repent. God Righteous judgment is very fair.

Only the wicked will be destroyed forever. Why do you have problem with it.

Who created the rapist? Was it God or was it Satan? God knew what the rapist was going to do, yet he didn't stop him. God is basically an accessory to the crime here, so realistically he doesn't even have the right to judge the rapist.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-45546695

Where was your god when this was happening this past September?
Are you trying to tell me that all the people lost in that disaster deserved to die? One of the victims was a 9 year old girl. What sin could such a young girl have commited that God couldn't spare her life? Most of these victims were probably christians like you who kept crying out to God for mercy only to have their lives snuffed at the last minute. How do you justify this wickedness?

Since God is omniscient, he cannot alter his plans freely because he already knows ahead of time that he's going to alter said plan. So what's the point of praying to God? Of what use is prayer? Surely our will cannot prevail over God's. Prayer is ultimately a waste of time and emotion.

OpenYourEyes1:


So an omnipotent God proving something makes him less omnipotent?

Hope you are OK.

who does he owe an explanation?

adoyi8:

A king is not omniscient so he can test his prince to know if he will be a good king or not. Company manufactures will test their products in the presence of a customer because they want to impress the customer. Who is an omnipotent god trying to impress?
Now that's common sense.

On point.

XxSabrinaxX:

He did, didn't he?

Now you'll agree with me that God is omniscient, right? I mean that's one of His defining properties. All knowledge of the past, present and the future is contained in him. All his choices are predetermined. He cannot have free will because that would contradict His omniscience. There's no logic to be found there.

So are you telling me that God was not aware of the choices Adam and Eve would make when the Serpent seduced them? There are only two logical answers i can draw out here

a) He was fully aware of the choices they'd make, but went ahead to punish them and their subsequent descendants with pain, labour, suffering, death etc. Explain to me how God is benevolent in this scenario? He knew exactly what was going to happen but he went ahead to plant that Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and create a sin loop in the process.

b) He was not aware of the choices they'd make which completely contradicts God's omniscience.

Psalm 147:5
Great is our Lord and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite.

1 John 3:20
in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things.

Psalm 139:1-4
Even before there is a word on my tongue, Behold, O LORD, You know it all.

Matthew 10:30
"But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

Hebrews 4:13
And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.

Psalm 139:1-3
O LORD, You have searched me and known me. You know when I sit down and when I rise up; You understand my thought from afar. You scrutinize my path and my lying down, And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.

Psalm 44:21
Would not God find this out? For He knows the secrets of the heart.

So, if i may ask, what's God's excuse?

Yes, God knows all things but he puts your destiny in your hands. He is not aware they were going to transgress but he is aware of the consequences if they do transgress.

God is love and love does not think evil. He did not expect them to transgress because he believes the best of them. But in case they do, he also knew what to do.

It's just like when you trust someone, there are things you don't expect them to do.

He is all knowing but his love nature only allows him to see the good part of us. But he warns you of the consequences of taking certain decisions.

TruthinAction:


Yes, God knows all things but he puts your destiny in your hands. He is not aware they were going to transgress but he is aware of the consequences if they do transgress.

God is love and love does not think evil. He did not expect them to transgress because he believes the best of them. But in case they do, he also knew what to do.

It's just like when you trust someone, there are things you don't expect them to do.

He is all knowing but his love nature only allows him to see the good part of us. But he warns you of the consequences of taking certain decisions.

I'm not sure you fully grasp the idea of omniscience.

An omniscient being like God has no limit to his knowledge. He knows ALL things. He knows every action you'll take, every word you'll speak (See Psalm 139:1-4 ; Psalm 44:20). He literally consists of ALL knowledge in the universe. So you can't confidently say that God didn't know the choices Adam and Eve would make.

XxSabrinaxX:

I'm not sure you fully grasp the idea of omniscience.

An omniscient being like God has no limit to his knowledge. He knows ALL things. He knows every action you'll take, every word you'll speak (See Psalm 139:1-4 ; Psalm 44:20). He literally consists of ALL knowledge in the universe. So you can't confidently say that God didn't know the choices Adam and Eve would make.

I agree with you. But we are limited in our understanding and cannot question God on certain things. But one thing I do know is that your destiny is in your decision. He has a good plan for us but it's up to you to decide your destiny. He has given us the opportunity to choose between life and death. So, make a wise choice rather than doting into questions that would not change any thing.

TruthinAction:


I agree with you. But we are limited in our understanding and cannot question God on certain things. But one thing I do know is that your destiny is in your decision. He has a good plan for us but it's up to you to decide your destiny. He has given us the opportunity to choose between life and death. So, make a wise choice rather than doting into questions that would not change any thing.

Who/What is God?

XxSabrinaxX:
This is my first thread on NL. I've noticed how passionate people on these religion forums are when matters like these are brought. So i just felt like i should try my hand at debating on NL.

Hell is a horrible idea. If God truly thinks that our “freewill” based on a limited time on earth means most of us have to live in a “hell” forever, then
yes, he’s evil, and terribly insane. However, i also want to add that if hell actually exists, then the cold truth is that ultimately, most of the human race is going there. Some Christians like to downplay this. It’s an undeniable fact if we applied Christian theology, there's really no debate.
This not only makes God evil, but portrays Satan as a smarter, more efficient presence amongst man, resulting in Satan winning his purpose over Jesus.
Jesus came to earth to save mankind. Judging by the kind of lives we live, i think its safe to say that God has been highly incompetent in making man see the truth.

Run your mouth all you want now. As if it changes anything. You think if you and 10billion others burn perpetually, the universe is moved? I pity you. During Noah's day, only 7 lives out of a world population of perhaps 70m were saved. So even if it's 700 people who live right in this generation, it wouldn't change God nor His standards. You are the creation, rather than submitting to the standards of the creator, you're there running your mouth on how you think things should be, I wonder whom you take yourself to be. You need to imagine the vast size of the universe this God has made, and then you would probably be able to comprehend that making the whole earth and its inhabitants dissolve into thin air is something that can happen in a fraction of a second and go completely unnoticed-in a universe with Several hundred billion stars.

XxSabrinaxX:
This is my first thread on NL. I've noticed how passionate people on these religion forums are when matters like these are brought. So i just felt like i should try my hand at debating on NL.

Hell is a horrible idea. If God truly thinks that our “freewill” based on a limited time on earth means most of us have to live in a “hell” forever, then
yes, he’s evil, and terribly insane. However, i also want to add that if hell actually exists, then the cold truth is that ultimately, most of the human race is going there. Some Christians like to downplay this. It’s an undeniable fact if we applied Christian theology, there's really no debate.
This not only makes God evil, but portrays Satan as a smarter, more efficient presence amongst man, resulting in Satan winning his purpose over Jesus.
Jesus came to earth to save mankind. Judging by the kind of lives we live, i think its safe to say that God has been highly incompetent in making man see the truth.

We live in a hyper-sexualized, even pornified culture, and if you’re a man who wants to be pure, you’re going to be involved in a constant warfare against lust. Everything from toothpaste commercials to weight loss ads have some sort of sexual spin. After all, as they say, sex sells.





Then there is the rampant immodesty in women’s dress (even in church, sadly), including mini-shorts, crop tops, and leggings worn as pants. Popular TV shows are filled with graphic sex, and celebrities dress in see-through clothing—that is, when they aren’t releasing nude photos of themselves.



Now, these temptations are so powerful because they involve our sight—one of the most potent of our senses, especially for us men. What we see is indelibly etched into our memories, and we can never truly un-see anything. Additionally, our sight has a powerful connection to what we want. Radio ads will never be as effective as TV ads, because hearing simply isn’t as strong a sense as sight.



Today I want to talk about an ancient Catholic practice that can help us combat temptations to lust: Custodia occulorum, or custody of the eyes.



What is it

At its most basic level, custody of the eyes simply means controlling what you allow yourself to see. It means guarding your sense of sight carefully, realizing that what you view will leave an indelible mark on your soul.



Many of the saints, in their zeal for purity, would never look anyone in the face. “To avoid the sight of dangerous objects, the saints were accustomed to keep their eyes almost continually fixed on the earth, and to abstain even from looking at innocent objects,” says St. Alphonsus de Liguori.



Now, staring at the floor at all times is a bit extreme for most of us, but it does demonstrate the seriousness with which the saints viewed the importance of purity. They teach us that is simply impossible to allow hundreds of immodest images into our minds, however innocently, and remain pure.



Of course, to the modern mind, this guarding of the eyes is rather quaint and even ridiculous. How prudish, many would think, to think that we should exercise any control over what we see. And yet, if we care about our souls, we have no other option.



How to Practice It

The best place to begin practicing custody of the eyes is in the things which we can control, such as movies, magazines, or television shows. If your favorite TV show has a sex scene every 5 minutes, you need to cut it out of your life. It’s not worth the temptation. In short, don’t consume things that are occasions of sin. Carelessly putting yourself in spiritual danger in this way is a grave sin itself, so take it seriously.



It’s actually rather easy to edit what you consume. But what about the things we can’t control, such as the immodestly dressed woman walking past you? This takes far more prayer-fueled discipline and practice. That said, here are some suggestions.



First, if you’re struggling with the way a woman is dressed, immediately look at her face. I don’t care how beautiful a woman is, it is essentially impossible to lust after someone’s face. The face is the icon of each person’s humanity, and it is far easier to respect a woman’s dignity when you’re looking at her face and not her body.



Second, it may just be appropriate to stare at the floor sometimes, especially if there’s no other way to avoid temptation. This doesn’t have to be the norm, but if the situation warrants it, it is foolish not to do so.



Third, avoid places you know are especially problematic for you. For most men, the beach is a problem. Dozens of women in tiny bikinis is just too much. If that’s the case for you, avoid the beach.



Finally, fast and pray. This should go without saying, and yet I am always amazed that men think they can control themselves without God’s help. It simply isn’t possible. We always need grace in the battle against concupiscence, and if we trust in ourselves and our own willpower, we will do nothing but fail.



Conclusion

Yes, temptation is everywhere, but we are not helpless victims. We must take the need for purity seriously, and that means guarding carefully what we allow ourselves to see. Through prayer, fasting, and practice, we can learn to take control of our eyes and avoid temptation. This isn’t quaint and archaic—it’s basic to spiritual survival.

XxSabrinaxX:
This is my first thread on NL. I've noticed how passionate people on these religion forums are when matters like these are brought. So i just felt like i should try my hand at debating on NL.

Hell is a horrible idea. If God truly thinks that our “freewill” based on a limited time on earth means most of us have to live in a “hell” forever, then
yes, he’s evil, and terribly insane. However, i also want to add that if hell actually exists, then the cold truth is that ultimately, most of the human race is going there. Some Christians like to downplay this. It’s an undeniable fact if we applied Christian theology, there's really no debate.
This not only makes God evil, but portrays Satan as a smarter, more efficient presence amongst man, resulting in Satan winning his purpose over Jesus.
Jesus came to earth to save mankind. Judging by the kind of lives we live, i think its safe to say that God has been highly incompetent in making man see the truth.

The word usually translated Hell in the bible is the word Gehenna and this was a rubbish dump outside Jerusalem that was constantly simmering and it was used to burn rubbish signifying its destruction

Hell or better still Gehenna as Jesus used it signified destruction, everlasting destruction

This rhymes with the beble's words at 1 Thessalonians 1:8-9

8 in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance on those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus.

9 These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength

This also rhymes with 2 Peter 2:5-6

[/b]And he did not refrain from punishing an ancient world, but kept Noah, a preacher of righteousness,k safe with seven others when he brought a flood upon a world of ungodly people.
6 And by reducing the cities of Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah to ashes, he condemned them, setting a pattern for ungodly people of things to come[/b].

2 Peter 2:6 in writes "setting a pattern for ungodly people of things to come"

So that is the pattern of judgment that awaits the wicked, destruction of the unrighteous.

Everlasting death without the hope of a resurrection is what awaits the wicked.

Also let's also go through Revelation 20:12-15

And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. The dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds.

13 And the sea gave up the dead in it, and death and the Grave* gave up the dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds.

14 And death and the Grave* were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire.

15 Furthermore, whoever was not found written in the book of life was hurled into the lake of fire.

The bibles says those whose names were not in the book of life were hurled into the Lake of Fire which means the second death (Everlasting destruction)

Even death and grave after they had given up the dead in them were hurled into the Lake of Fire which signifies everlasting destruction, That simply means after all unrighteous people have been destroyed, death will no longer occur neither will there be need for graves as death will now be totally banished forever!

When our Creator finished his creative works, he saw everything was "very good". There was never mention there's a literal place he created called Hellfire.

God is love and he is also a God of Justice

Abraham asked Jehovah, " Will the judge of the earth not do what is right" (Genesis 18:25). HE was even prepared to put off punishment for the depraved cities of Sodom and Gomorrah if 10 righteous people were found there! Id such a loving God was ready to put off punishment simply for the sake of such a tiny number, why then will he create an everlasting fire of torment

The Judge of the Earth will never cruelly suffer the unrighteous for eternity for at most 80 years of sin on Earth. Or does that seem just to you?

JasonScoolari:
Argue with you that God is incredibly insane? Lol, how dumb can you get. Like I said, you're nothing but a mere coward hiding behind a new moniker.

God is still God. You can hang yourself in your room or argue with your fellow dummies.... It's less spectacular.

And the mumu says she's not trying to fight.

You sound so triggered like a Boko Haram fighter. Hope you don't strap a bomb around your waist soon.

XxSabrinaxX:

I'm not sure you fully grasp the idea of omniscience.

An omniscient being like God has no limit to his knowledge. He knows ALL things. He knows every action you'll take, every word you'll speak (See Psalm 139:1-4 ; Psalm 44:20). He literally consists of ALL knowledge in the universe. So you can't confidently say that God didn't know the choices Adam and Eve would make.

If you meet TRUE Christians, it's what God says about HIMSELF that they'll say about HIM.
If the Bible says "God REGRETTED that HE made man" {Genesis 6:7} automatically your OMNISCIENCE hypothesis doesn't fit in to HIS attributes!
Yes he didn't exert that ability to foresee the future because HE is Holy~Pure~Unblemish so evil thoughts has NO place in HIM,but once many of the creatures having freewill "Angels and Humans" have chosen to misuse that privilege given to them, HE started displaying many of HIS powers that were not intended to be used from the onset.
Satan knew God can destroy him but he didn't know that HE has such ability to foresee things from afar,that's why Satan was trying to do somethings yet God is always ahead of him!
Now God is passing information GLOBALLY to obedient humans while Satan and his demons aren't aware of it! Can you imagine how frustrating such a scenario? 1Peter 1:12
God still has so many things to do but HE promised that HE is KEEPING it all until Satan,demons and disobedient humans are out of the way! Revelations 22:5

XxSabrinaxX:


I think its you who doesn't understand my question. Let me just make it short:
Why is God punishing man and His unborn children for a choice He already knew they'll make? What point is he trying to prove here? That he can do anything he likes cause "SCREW YOU, I'M GOD"?

"Everything can be predetermined"
By who? God or man? If man, then how?

"If God Almighty is testing mankind the wicked could be deliberately created for the test"
What's the point of a test if God already knows the outcome? You can't tell me God didn't know they'll eat the fruit. The verses i quoted above annul that line of thought.

"This is common sense"
You've answered nothing. I ask again, what is God's excuse?

He gives benefits of the doubt. The fact that there's a free will shows there are 2 different premonitions for every situation.

I read a chapter in Exodus when the children of Israelites told God to speak to Moses alone because they feared and couldn't stand God's magnificience and fiery outlook when he descended on Mount Sinai to show himself to the Israelites and do you know what God said after the Israelites said they were afraid of him and would do his commandment?

He was wistful in his tone, saying something like ''oh that I wish these people would obey like they truly said...'
This means He saw two visions: the israelites obeying him and the second being the Israelites disobeying him. He simply gave them the freewill to choose the path they want.

I once watched one fantasy drama which is all about a woman whose dream always come to reality. There was a time she dreamt of her friend who's a lawyer losing a big case and there was this another third friend of theirs who also dreams too. The third guy dreamt of their Lawyer friend winning this same particular case. So, both dreamers sat together and outlined out their different dreams to find how it really differs. Eventually, they realised if the lawyer wasn't the one to start the hearing of the case with his rash words and allowed his antagonist to do it instead, he would win, otherwise he would lose. In the end he won after listening to his two friends.

What am I trying to point out here? It means there are two ways for every situation. The path you eventually choose determines the end. God could have seen Adam and Eve obeying his commandment as well as seeing them disobeying him. Therefore he gave them the benefit of doubt and the freewill to choose their path.

XxSabrinaxX:


I think its you who doesn't understand my question. Let me just make it short:
Why is God punishing man and His unborn children for a choice He already knew they'll make? What point is he trying to prove here? That he can do anything he likes cause "SCREW YOU, I'M GOD"?

"Everything can be predetermined"
By who? God or man? If man, then how?

"If God Almighty is testing mankind the wicked could be deliberately created for the test"
What's the point of a test if God already knows the outcome? You can't tell me God didn't know they'll eat the fruit. The verses i quoted above annul that line of thought.

"This is common sense"
You've answered nothing. I ask again, what is God's excuse?

He gives benefits of the doubt. The fact that there's a free will shows there are 2 different premonitions for every situation.

I read a chapter in Exodus when the children of Israelites told God to speak to Moses alone because they feared and couldn't stand God's magnificience and fiery outlook when he descended on Mount Sinai to show himself to the Israelites and do you know what God said after the Israelites said they were afraid of him and would do his commandment?

He was wistful in his tone, saying something like ''oh that I wish these people would obey like they truly said...'
This means He saw two visions: the israelites obeying him and the second being the Israelites disobeying him. He simply gave them the freewill to choose the path they want.

I once watched one fantasy drama which is all about a woman whose dream always come to reality. There was a time she dreamt of her friend who's a lawyer losing a big case and there was this another third friend of theirs who also dreams too. The third guy dreamt of their Lawyer friend winning this same particular case. So, both dreamers sat together and outlined out their different dreams to find how it really differs. Eventually, they realised if the lawyer wasn't the one to start the hearing of the case with his rash words and allowed his antagonist to do it instead, he would win, otherwise he would lose. In the end he won after listening to his two friends.

What am I trying to point out here? It means there are two ways for every situation. The path you eventually choose determines the end. God could have seen Adam and Eve obeying his commandment as well as seeing them disobeying him. Therefore he gave them the benefit of doubt and the freewill to choose their path.