I often wonder what the spiritual fate of our ancestors was , a few odd years after Christ was resurrected. How were they saved, what happened to their spirits after death , what part did Christ play in their culture and religion.

Christianity was brought to Sub-Saharan Africa with the arrival of the Portuguese in the 15th century
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This means that after the resurrection of Christ which was the most important event after the creation of man, it took over a millenia for the GOOD NEWS to arrive on the shores of the BLACK MAN.

Yet the bible contains these significant scriptures on salvation

"Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved." - Acts 4:12

"For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" - 1 Timothy 2:5

Jesus replied, "Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again."

So if the death and resurrection of Christ was so VITAL to the salvation of mankind , and any man or woman who died without Chris was hell bound, WHY did it take over a millennia for Christianity to reach black Africa. Ironically when it did eventually reach our shores, it was in the form of colonialism and slave trade which we all know were brutal practices.

Few questions ;
1. Is it not strange that something so important as salvation was delayed for so long
2. Did God not want the black man saved ?
3. Was the black man not god's priority ?
4. Did black people who died worshipping idols in those ancient days go to hell fire ?
5. Did the black men who married more than one wife go to hell after death ?

MAIN QUESTION = HOW DID THE BLACK MAN GET SAVED BEFORE CHRIST AND WAS THIS METHOD OF SALVATION VALID IN THE EYES OF GOD ?


Excerpt from the article ;
"In the interior of the continent most people continued to practice their own religions undisturbed until the 19th century. At that time, Christian missions to Africa increased, driven by an antislavery crusade and the interest of Europeans in colonising Africa. However, where people had already converted to Islam, Christianity had little success "

So even after Christianity started to gradually seep into Africa, Africans still worshipped idols into the 19th century. Also, only parts of black African embraced Christianity, the other half embraced Islam. Why is this ? Did God not love those Africans who accepted Islam ?

The question you should be asking is , "how did those who died before the arrival of Christ get saved? ". Now, If you can answer that, then you would have automatically answered your own question.

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Shelumiel:
The question should be asking is , how did those who died before the arrival of Christ get saved . If you can answer that, then you would have automatically answered your own question

I don't know - you tell me

frosbel2:


I don't know - you tell me

Why should I tell you when you have a bible ? Or have you never read it through to see what happens to those who died without Christ?

Shelumiel:
Why should I tell you when you have a bible ? Or have you never read it through to see what happens to those who died without Christ?

Can you read ? After Christ , not Before Christ. If you don't know go on MUTE.

frosbel2:


Can you read ? After Christ , not Before Christ. If you don't know go on MUTE.

You should have told me stupidity was your strong point. Those who died without Christ are still the same as those who died even after not receiving Him. Dumb ass

Shelumiel:
You should have told me stupidity was your strong point. Those who died without Christ are still the same as those who died even after not receiving Him. Dumb ass

Switch on your dusty brain and remove the cobwebs for a second - then THINK.

What was the point of CHRIST's coming if people who died before HIM stood a chance of going to 'HEAVEN' or 'PARADISE' after DEATH.

frosbel2:


Switch on your dusty brain and remove the cobwebs for a second - then THINK.

What was the point of CHRIST's coming if people who died before HIM stood a chance of going to 'HEAVEN' or 'PARADISE' after DEATH.

You're dumber than I thought : So you're indirectly telling us here that you've not read the whole bible through before posting that trash , right ?

frosbel2:
I often wonder what the spiritual fate of our ancestors was , a few odd years after Christ was resurrected. How were they saved, what happened to their spirits after death , what part did Christ play in their culture and religion.

Christianity was brought to Sub-Saharan Africa with the arrival of the Portuguese in the 15th century

This means that after the resurrection of Christ which was the most important event after the creation of man, it took over a millenia for the GOOD NEWS to arrive on the shores of the BLACK MAN.

Yet the bible contains these significant scriptures on salvation

"Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved." - Acts 4:12

"For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" - 1 Timothy 2:5

Jesus replied, "Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again."

So if the death and resurrection of Christ was so VITAL to the salvation of mankind , and any man or woman who died without Chris was hell bound, WHY did it take over a millennia for Christianity to reach black Africa. Ironically when it did eventually reach our shores, it was in the form of colonialism and slave trade which we all know were brutal practices.

Few questions ;
1. Is it not strange that something so important as salvation was delayed for so long
2. Did God not want the black man saved ?
3. Was the black man not god's priority ?
4. Did black people who died worshipping idols in those ancient days go to hell fire ?
5. Did the black men who married more than one wife go to hell after death?

MAIN QUESTION = HOW DID THE BLACK MAN GET SAVED BEFORE CHRIST AND WAS THIS METHOD OF SALVATION VALID IN THE EYES OF GOD ?

Excerpt from the article ;
"In the interior of the continent most people continued to practice their own religions undisturbed until the 19th century. At that time, Christian missions to Africa increased, driven by an antislavery crusade and the interest of Europeans in colonising Africa. However, where people had already converted to Islam, Christianity had little success "

1. Is it not strange that something so important as salvation was delayed for so long
Answer:
"you cant hurry the harvest" Are you not familiar with that saying?
Salvation delayed, is not salvation denied. Salvation comes and came when due.

2. Did God not want the black man saved?
Answer:
God wants every human being saved

3. Was the black man not god's priority?
Answer:
The black man as much as every other human being is God's priority

4. Did black people who died worshipping idols in those ancient days go to hell fire?
Answer:
Get your facts right please, because no human being yet, including the black people who died worshipping idols in those ancient days are in "hell fire". Also hell and death ultimately will be thrown into the lake of fire

5. Did the black men who married more than one wife go to hell after death?
Answer:
You have been misinformed, that's why you keep harping that people go to hell after death. People go to Sheol after death.

MAIN QUESTION =
HOW DID THE BLACK MAN GET SAVED BEFORE CHRIST AND WAS THIS METHOD OF SALVATION VALID IN THE EYES OF GOD?
Answer
It's simple, it's by sheer doing pure and true religion that is faultless. Doing pure and true religion that has no fault enhances the prospect albeit the price of the cost of salvation has been paid by Jesus Christ

Shelumiel:
You're dumber than I thought : So you're indirectly telling us here that you've not read the whole bible through before posting that trash , right ?

Stop squealing , just say I do not know. Ignorance is not a SIN.

frosbel2:


Stop squealing , just say I do not know. Ignorance is not a SIN.

The ignorant one here is you . Do your self a favor and read the bible (after all, books don't bite ) before displaying your foolishness

Shelumiel:
You're dumber than I thought:
So you're indirectly telling us here that you've not read the whole bible through before posting that trash , right ?

frosbel2:
Stop squealing, just say I do not know. Ignorance is not a SIN.

He is indirectly warning you frosbel2, about becoming a tool that doesn't even know its being used and all you could pathetically say back in return is: "Stop squealing, just say I do not know. Ignorance is not a SIN"

MuttleyLaff:


He is indirectly warning you frosbel2, about becoming a tool that doesn't even know its being used and all you could pathetically say back in return is: "Stop squealing, just say I do not know. Ignorance is not a SIN"

Online atheist, how market ?

MuttleyLaff:


He is indirectly warning you frosbel2, about becoming a tool that doesn't even know its being used and all you could pathetically say back in return is: "Stop squealing, just say I do not know. Ignorance is not a SIN"

You are obviously even more deluded than the squealer.

Which part of ' Christianity is bullsh1t' do you not understand ? I should know better, after spending circa 20 years in a state of delusion.

Shelumiel:
Online atheist, how market?

Let me put on my best Robert De Niro impression, clears throat:
"You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? " [turns around to look behind me]
"Well, then who the Hell else are you talking- You talking to me? Well, I'm the only one here."

Who is the online atheist? What's with the how market question?

Shelumiel:
You should have told me stupidity was your strong point. Those who died without Christ are still the same as those who died even after not receiving Him. Dumb ass

Shelumiel:
The ignorant one here is you . Do your self a favor and read the bible (after all, books don't bite ) before displaying your foolishness

I read the bible carefully, cautiously, pedantically and even prayerfully for more than a decade and especially over the last 5 years when I actually drilled down to the bone using a combination of original language translators, concordances and commentaries. Furthermore, I voraciously digested unbiased articles and books written by reputable bible scholars ( e.g Professor Bart D. Ehrman ) , meditated on all I had learnt and analysed it on the basis of logic, reason and the probable. Lastly , I was an insider to one of the most fanatical Christian sects for over a decade, and having observed the behaviour of pastors and their followers , came to the conclusion that Christianity was , is and remains BULLSH1T. It's a scam , a hoax, a made up concoction of regurgitated gibberish written by men who were sometimes hallucinating, hypnotised , outright deluded or FRAUDS.

Don't talk to me about Christianity bullsh1t, I know it when I see it -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoYyiNRtMEE

frosbel2:
You are obviously even more deluded than the squealer.

You would say that, wont you?

Those who dance are considered deluded by those who cannot hear the music

frosbel2:
Which part of 'Christianity is bullsh1t' do you not understand?
I should know better, after spending circa 20 years in a state of delusion.

I am familiar with and fully understand the whole part of Christianity. You should know better that after spending circa 20 years in a state of delusion, you jumped and leaped out from frying pan into fire.

Shame it doesnt get easier for you. Well nothing surprising in that because if you carry old bricks from your past to your new and current existence, you will end up building a similar deluded house like the previous one you felt uncomfortable in before.

MuttleyLaff:
You would say that, wont you?

Those who dance are considered deluded by those who cannot hear the music

Says the one who supports a stance that is opposed to the delusion faith that he embraces , lol

I am familiar with and fully understand the whole part of Christianity. You should know better that after spending circa 20 years in a state of delusion, you jumped and leaped out from frying pan into fire.

Shame it doesnt get easier for you. Well nothing surprising in that because if you carry old bricks from your past to your new and current existence, you will end up building a similar deluded house like the previous one you felt uncomfortable in before.

Oh please, if you knew me you would be envious. I am living a life of bliss, free from the clutches of religion and its delusions.

Btw, I do believe in my version of God.

Your questions are really one question:

how does anyone get saved?

Whether it was before the First Advent or after, Salvation has always happened by Faith in God's Substitute. That is, those who were saved before the First Advent were those who believed in a Promised Savior. Those who believed after were those who believed in the Savior Who had now come and paid the price for our sins.

What about the Black Man?

Salvation is only by Faith in God's Substitute.

But people will only believe if they hear.

Well, every single human being is born with an awareness of sin, of judgment and of God. Those who take it seriously go looking for answers to the human condition, that is, the condition of being sinful and in danger of eternal condemnation from a Righteous and Just God.

Those who seek ALWAYS find.

This is why we have an Ethiopian in the Bible who was a believer even though he had to go all the way to Jerusalem to worship.

Everyone who goes to Hell is someone who did not want to be saved. They either dismissed the idea that they needed to be or they made up their own idea of salvation.

But throughout all human generations, every single person who has desired to be saved, no matter where they were or what color their skin, was saved.

So back to the question ;

How did the black man get saved before Christ and what is the fate of those who died still worshipping their idols and practising their primitive religion .

I've always wondered that too.

Why did it take slavery and colonisation to introduce christainity to Africans and tag it 'the true religion'. It's 't he true religion' cause it was practiced by white people aka colonisers aka slave masters . I mean the bible justify slavery so....

I was arguing with a religious the other day and she said that the god our ancestors worshipped then is the same christain god worshipped by Christains and that the christain religion is better .

It's also ironic when religious people claim that something isn't African or that it's not in our culture. Well, same with the christain religion you are practicing.

Ihedinobi3:
Your questions are really one question:

how does anyone get saved?

Whether it was before the First Advent or after, Salvation has always happened by Faith in God's Substitute. That is, those who were saved before the First Advent were those who believed in a Promised Savior. Those who believed after were those who believed in the Savior Who had now come and paid the price for our sins.

What about the Black Man?

Salvation is only by Faith in God's Substitute.

But people will only believe if they hear.

Well, every single human being is born with an awareness of sin, of judgment and of God. Those who take it seriously go looking for answers to the human condition, that is, the condition of being sinful and in danger of eternal condemnation from a Righteous and Just God.

Those who seek ALWAYS find.

This is why we have an Ethiopian in the Bible who was a believer even though he had to go all the way to Jerusalem to worship.

Everyone who goes to Hell is someone who did not want to be saved. They either dismissed the idea that they needed to be or they made up their own idea of salvation.

But throughout all human generations, every single person who has desired to be saved, no matter where they were or what color their skin, was saved.

What do you mean by god's substitute?

frosbel2:
So back to the question ;

How did the black man get saved before Christ and what is the fate of those who died still worshipping their idols and practising their primitive religion .

They will end up in hell fire since salvation is only through our Lord Jesus Christ ..

Ihedinobi3:
Your questions are really one question:

how does anyone get saved?

Whether it was before the First Advent or after, Salvation has always happened by Faith in God's Substitute. That is, those who were saved before the First Advent were those who believed in a Promised Savior. Those who believed after were those who believed in the Savior Who had now come and paid the price for our sins.

Most west African cultures did not understand the concept of God's substitute in the primitive era save human sacrifice and other forms of worship. So tell me Sir, how could this have applied to them ? And if you think that it did or even may have , please elucidate further with facts to back your statements.

Well, every single human being is born with an awareness of sin, of judgment and of God. Those who take it seriously go looking for answers to the human condition, that is, the condition of being sinful and in danger of eternal condemnation from a Righteous and Just God.

Those who seek ALWAYS find.

And how can they find , if they had not the means to travel far and wide to learn about this new religion ?

Everyone who goes to Hell is someone who did not want to be saved. They either dismissed the idea that they needed to be or they made up their own idea of salvation.

Do you know that even in raw Judaism there is no concept of the Christian HELL talk less of African religions. Further, the Jews whose book you read , reject and and still DEBUNK the myth of Jesus Christ as the promised Messiah. How can you, me or anyone know better than the people who OWN scripture ?

But throughout all human generations, every single person who has desired to be saved, no matter where they were or what color their skin, was saved.

True, but HOW ?

frosbel2:
Says the one who supports a stance that is opposed to the delusion faith that he embraces , lol

God is not a homophobe like you openly and without guilt or embarrassment are

You that typed: "homosexual behaviour should be unlearned" like as if gays, in the first instance, learned same sex attraction
When you're asked: "Did you learn to be heterosexual?"

"Naturalised.... " being what was your reply to "Did you learn to be heterosexual?" means gays too naturalised, as gay behaviour is natural to them

frosbel2:
Oh please, if you knew me you would be envious. I am living a life of bliss, free from the clutches of religion and its delusions.

I am not envious of you, actually I feel very sorry for you, especially because you're living in a fool's paradise. You escaped the wolves in sheep clothing to be caught by mischievous goblins

frosbel2:
Btw, I do believe in my version of God.

Why am I not surprised, you do believe in your own version of God. I already know you believe in your version of God that is a homophobe just like you are.

frosbel2:


I read the bible carefully, cautiously, pedantically and even prayerfully for more than a decade and especially over the last 5 years when I actually drilled down to the bone using a combination of original language translators, concordances and commentaries. Furthermore, I voraciously digested unbiased articles and books written by reputable bible scholars ( e.g Professor Bart D. Ehrman ) , meditated on all I had learnt and analysed it on the basis of logic, reason and the probable. Lastly , I was an insider to one of the most fanatical Christian sects for over a decade, and having observed the behaviour of pastors and their followers , came to the conclusion that Christianity was , is and remains BULLSH1T. It's a scam , a hoax, a made up concoction of regurgitated gibberish written by men who were sometimes hallucinating, hypnotised , outright deluded or FRAUDS.

Don't talk to me about Christianity bullsh1t, I know it when I see it -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoYyiNRtMEE

I pretty much doubt if you've read the bible through ...because if you had ,you wouldn't be asking such lame questions

janettee:


What do you mean by god's substitute?

That is, the Person that God would provide to take the place of Man in judgment. Before the Cross, it was not known who Jesus would be. But everyone from Adam and Eve who cared knew that God would send a Savior to die in man's place so that human beings can be saved. Believing in that Promise before Jesus came saved anyone who chose to believe. Believing in Jesus after He came saves everyone who chooses to believe.

frosbel2:


Most west African cultures did not understand the concept of God's substitute in the primitive era save human sacrifice and other forms of worship. So tell me Sir, how could this have applied to them ? And if you think that it did or even may have , please elucidate further with facts to back your statements.

God doesn't save cultures. He saves individuals. And those individuals who seek a solution to the human condition are always led by the Lord God to the Christ. That has always been the case.

frosbel2:
And how can they find , if they had not the means to travel far and wide to learn about this new religion ?

Nothing has ever prevented the Gospel from getting to anyone who looks for it. Naaman was an enemy of Israel and a pagan general but he traveled to Israel. Jonah was sent to Nineveh. Somehow, an African worshiped the God of Israel and went on pilgrimage to the Temple from Ethiopia. Travel has never been the problem. A God Who divides seas can do anything to bring anyone who wants it to the Truth.

frosbel2:
Do you know that even in raw Judaism there is no concept of the Christian HELL talk less of African religions. Further, the Jews whose book you read , reject and and still DEBUNK the myth of Jesus Christ as the promised Messiah. How can you, me or anyone know better than the people who OWN scripture ?

I know that in the Bible right from the Old Testament, there has always been an understanding of Eternal Punishment. Daniel, a Jewish prophet described the creation of Hell in Daniel 7:10-11. Granted that the place of the dead, Sheol (or Hades, in Greek) was not all a place of punishment, Hebrew tradition (and the Bible) held that there are three compartments there. There is the Abyss or the Pit where rebellious angels who violate the ground rules of the warfare between them and God are thrown in. It is a place that all rebellious angels are terrified of. There is Torments where the unbelieving dead are deposited when they depart this life. As its name goes, it is not a pleasant place by any account. This is where the rich man in Luke 16 is seen after he dies. Then there is Paradise where all the believing dead before the Cross were taken to rest and luxuriate as they waited for God's Promised Messiah to come and take them into the Presence of God in the Third Heaven. This last place was, well, a Paradise. There, the saints rested from their warfare on earth. Of course that place has been empty since the Lord Jesus rose from the dead and took the saints to the third Heaven with Him.

The Lake of Fire is going to fill Sheol in the end and all rebellious angels and humans will be deposited there for eternity. This is not strange at all to believing Jews.

As for the fact that Jews reject Christ, so what? The Bible itself says that the Jews are currently hardened against Christ. They have always been a stiff-necked people, according to the Bible itself. But, for all that, they were still the most responsive nation to God and His Truth so they remain favored.

Yes, it was Jews who wrote the Scriptures. No, the Bible is not therefore "owned" by the Jews. Certainly not in the sense that they can decide what it means. The Bible means what it means irrespective of what anybody might claim about it. And the only One Who has a right to decide what it means is God Himself.

frosbel2:
True, but HOW ?

As I said, by believing in God's Substitute.

Well, according to the bible, none of them were saved. They all went to hell.
John 3:1-10:
Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

janettee:
They will end up in hell fire since salvation is only through our Lord Jesus Christ ..

The latter part of your remark has a ring of truth in it.

janettee:
What do you mean by god's substitute?

Ihedinobi3:
That is, the Person that God would provide to take the place of Man in judgment. Before the Cross, it was not known who Jesus would be. But everyone from Adam and Eve who cared knew that God would send a Savior to die in man's place so that human beings can be saved. Believing in that Promise before Jesus came saved anyone who chose to believe. Believing in Jesus after He came saves everyone who chooses to believe.

janettee, in addition to the valid points immediately above typed by Ihedinobi3, Jesus Christ will be available to represent people when the time comes to give account and explanations for our every thought, every word and every deed we've done. He is an Advocate, somewhat what you know a defense lawyer to be. Just that in this situation, He is like a duty solicitor, duty lawyer or a public defender, who is available to represent you and on your behalf defend and give explanations for and/or behind your every thought, every word and every deed you ever did.

The access to have Jesus Christ represent you, is the right to free legal aid, you share of with every other human being. It doesnt matter how unpopular, nasty or horrible a person you are, if you believe in Jesus Christ and want Him, anytime, in your life, before or after death, to take your case, He will, He will take your case as an Advocate, Defense Attorney, Defence Counsel, Lawyer, Solicitor or Barrister and win it for you. Instead of you representing and defending yourself, it is Jesus Christ who this way comes to your aid and brings His expertise to the task.

And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. If you're damned by the each and every thought, every word and every deed you've ever done, then only one Person that I know, is capable as an Advocate, of getting you off the hook is Jesus Christ

Anybody, everybody dead or alive can avail of this free legal aid service paid for by God, and have Jesus Christ mitigate, represent you and cross examine your accusers and/or prosecution witnesess. Funnily enough, some will rather opt for Satan's dark abyss than for a second confess with their mouth and honestly say, "Jesus is Lord" (i.e. honestly say, "Jesus is my Owner'')