agboedeh:
they are recruiting d malinois becos of their speed, flexibility and ability to learn fast.but u can't see d Russians use a malinois to guard livestock from bears and wolves..they would simply ripp d malinois apart.
these dogs are bred for diff purposes... d Caucasian for their strength, bravery... d malinois for their speed,flexibility,intelligence and loyalty(thats what the police force look for in a dog)

imagine telling a certified doctor to go and teach in a primary school... is that not an insult?

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space9880:


imagine telling a certified doctor to go and teach in a primary school... is that not an insult?

u make me laugh.. lol

OtyandTheFangs:

Did you thoroughly read the thread? I doubt that though

I think u sud read d thread more carefully and know what d argument is about

OtyandTheFangs:

What if he's got a few trained APBTs or Kangals. Would you still go ahead?

P.S. The money is he's by the way. If at all you got mauled by his dogs, you'd have to give him 50k from your part. To make it even

APBT has no human aggression. They are bred for their hunt drive.

IamAnderson:

so you mean a malinois can kill wolves and bears?

I don’t know how killing wolves is relevant to the scope of this thread but I want to remind you that they are classified as Herder which means they protect the flocks against the Wolves.

CO lost her glory many years ago and majority of the CO in this world now are bred for shows. Working people don’t take the breed serious because of they can only work perfectly in a specific weather.

OtyandTheFangs:

In heirachy, the Caucasian Ovcharka is higher in terms of fierceness and guarding duty thing. Making them better guard dogs than the BMs and GSDs
This is not a convecture but a proven fact!
Thorough research will make them learn better. And experience too
Cheers!

Proven fact on NL? Why do you think the Russian military and their special forces are investing in a Malinois? Russian is the first federation to try to clone the Malinois because they are the perfect dog for any type of job. A fully trained malinois is worth 30k USD, that should tell you something but like I said before, everyone has a preference.

oluomoadebayo:


I don’t know how killing wolves is relevant to the scope of this thread but I want to remind you that they are classified as Herder which means they protect the flocks against the Wolves.

CO lost her glory many years ago and majority of the CO in this world now are bred for shows. Working people don’t take the breed serious because of they can only work perfectly in a specific weather.

you still haven't understood my point...a malinois is not a strong dog
your malinois are well trained but let's not deny the fact that a well trained CO in it's habitat will have your strongest malinois for breakfast.
let me show you something... this is the record for dog bite force
kangal 746 psi
CO 550-700 psi
bullmastiff 556 psi
Rottweiler 328 psi
pitbull 235 psi
German Shepherd 238 psi
malinois 195 psi
human 145 psi
can you see that a malinois can barely bite harder than a human? yet you compare their strength to other dogs that are obviously not in their league.
because you get to see your malinois in action doesn't mean other dogs don't do better..
I like your dogs and I think they will be efficient in their line of duty but please don't overhype them.
a malinois is basically a smaller German Shepherd.
you will never see a malinois guarding a herd because it will be ripped apart by any predator but you will see them sniffing out drugs and tracking thieves.
they are good dogs in their field yes but they are deficient in the strength aspect.

agboedeh:
they are recruiting d malinois becos of their speed, flexibility and ability to learn fast.but u can't see d Russians use a malinois to guard livestock from bears and wolves..they would simply ripp d malinois apart.
these dogs are bred for diff purposes... d Caucasian for their strength, bravery... d malinois for their speed,flexibility,intelligence and loyalty(thats what the police force look for in a dog)

This guy has said it all

oluomoadebayo:


I don’t know how killing wolves is relevant to the scope of this thread but I want to remind you that they are classified as Herder which means they protect the flocks against the Wolves.

CO lost her glory many years ago and majority of the CO in this world now are bred for shows. Working people don’t take the breed serious because of they can only work perfectly in a specific weather.

note:malinios were originally bred to herd livestock not guard them.Caucasian and kangals don't herd livestock but guard them from intruders.In other words,malinios were nt bred to kill wolves but just to help move animals like other Shepard dogs.

oluomoadebayo:


Proven fact on NL? Why do you think the Russian military and their special forces are investing in a Malinois? Russian is the first federation to try to clone the Malinois because they are the perfect dog for any type of job. A fully trained malinois is worth 30k USD, that should tell you something but like I said before, everyone has a preference.

its nt about preferences, its about fact. I love DDR gsds with passion but DAT doesn't mean I'll put dem above all other dogs.

agboedeh:
its nt about preferences, its about fact. I love DDR gsds with passion but DAT doesn't mean I'll put dem above all other dogs.

You haven’t provide any evidence to back up your claims ever since you started. I should have just ignored you but you will think you are correct. Why is it so hard to provide proof for these claims?

IamAnderson:

you still haven't understood my point...a malinois is not a strong dog
your malinois are well trained but let's not deny the fact that a well trained CO in it's habitat will have your strongest malinois for breakfast.
let me show you something... this is the record for dog bite force
kangal 746 psi
CO 550-700 psi
bullmastiff 556 psi
Rottweiler 328 psi
pitbull 235 psi
German Shepherd 238 psi
malinois 195 psi
human 145 psi
can you see that a malinois can barely bite harder than a human? yet you compare their strength to other dogs that are obviously not in their league.
because you get to see your malinois in action doesn't mean other dogs don't do better..
I like your dogs and I think they will be efficient in their line of duty but please don't overhype them.
a malinois is basically a smaller German Shepherd.
you will never see a malinois guarding a herd because it will be ripped apart by any predator but you will see them sniffing out drugs and tracking thieves.
they are good dogs in their field yes but they are deficient in the strength aspect.

Effectiveness of the bite is the most important thing but I guess you haven’t work a dog in your life because it’s getting ridiculous with these irrelevant claims.

oluomoadebayo:


Effectiveness of the bite is the most important thing but I guess you haven’t work a dog in your life because it’s getting ridiculous with these irrelevant claims.

it's a normal thing for experience to come with bigotry so I'm done arguing with you.
you still haven't said anything to prove your point except flaunting your experience and calling my facts "irrelevant".
because you are a malinois expert doesn't make you a dog expert, just read up on other dogs except malinois.... you'll be surprised

IamAnderson:

it's a normal thing for experience to come with bigotry so I'm done arguing with you.
you still haven't said anything to prove your point except flaunting your experience and calling my facts "irrelevant".
because you are a malinois expert doesn't make you a dog expert, just read up on other dogs except malinois.... you'll be surprised

I'm a dog trainer and I have actually worked with most of the breeds. I'm talking from real life experience with the dogs. In the picture, I was advertising CO puppies from Europe and I will share the link for you to see.

https://www.nairaland.com/2433589/interested-breed-contact-me

I advertised this on my FB page 2 years ago. If I just want to make easy money, I will breed Caucasian Shepherd, Rotweiller and a Boerboel. Very easy to sell because of people like you but I will not sleep at night.

oluomoadebayo:


You haven’t provide any evidence to back up your claims ever since you started. I should have just ignored you but you will think you are correct. Why is it so hard to provide proof for these claims?

lol..I don't think I am right but know I am right. These things are fact and it can't change. U can go ahead believing what u want , am done arguing with u.

oluomoadebayo:


APBT has no human aggression. They are bred for their hunt drive.

I said trained
Well, you haven't seen mine. And the ones I've trained, brotha

Hunt drive you say?
They were bred for their strength, agility and their loyalty brotha.
Do you know their renowned "loyalty" once made them the number one American Family Dog. You disagree? Well research will help. And if at all you don't find it on the net then let me know so I'll forward a video of their history and their traits to you.
At least , you'd have no doubt left seeing that video

Now let me shock you, APBTs have better agility than the BMs and GSDs. I know you'll ask me why they aren't mainly used for police escorts and guarding.
Well I'll leave you to research

agboedeh:
lol..I don't think I am right but know I am right. These things are fact and it can't change. U can go ahead believing what u want , am done arguing with u.

What makes a dog a good guard dog? Yall ve brought out fact about bite force, but are bites all what it takes to be a good guard dog? Caucasians and the rest are strong no doubt, but does it make it a good guard dog? Not every shreded guy can fight, If u are into fighting sports, u would know there are smaller guys who beat up giants due to thier skills.
Malinois may not be as strong as a caucasian, but they are smart enuf to defeat a caucasian.
I do not have an actual real life scenario to explain dis to u, but I will make reference to a movie, d movie showed wat will happen in a real life scenario, watch the movie "Max" two rottweillers were sent to take down a malinois, ofcourse in a show of strength dey will devour d malinois, but a malinois knows dis, it outsmarted dem by running them tired until he took his strike, nd it was severe.

Effectiveness is better dan muscles. Shreded men are used as bouncers to scare people away, but to take down a bad guy, espicially if its a chase, the smaller the better. And security agencies know dis. Work smart nd nt with power.

Gra gra no dey ever win race!

Eveezy:

What makes a dog a good guard dog? Yall ve brought out fact about bite force, but are bites all what it takes to be a good guard dog? Caucasians and the rest are strong no doubt, but does it make it a good guard dog? Not every shreded guy can fight, If u are into fighting sports, u would know there are smaller guys who beat up giants due to thier skills.
Malinois may not be as strong as a caucasian, but they are smart enuf to defeat a caucasian.
I do not have an actual real life scenario to explain dis to u, but I will make reference to a movie, d movie showed wat will happen in a real life scenario, watch the movie "Max" two rottweillers were sent to take down a malinois, ofcourse in a show of strength dey will devour d malinois, but a malinois knows dis, it outsmarted dem by running them tired until he took his strike, nd it was severe.

Effectiveness is better dan muscles. Shreded men are used as bouncers to scare people away, but to take down a bad guy, espicially if its a chase, the smaller the better. And security agencies know dis. Work smart nd nt with power.

Gra gra no dey ever win race!

I am nt comparing the two breeds. in fact , what I am saying is DAT they sud nt be compared cos they were bred for diff purposes. wat we sud compare d malinios with is d gsd nt kangals or Caucasians.

oluomoadebayo:


CO lost her glory many years ago and majority of the CO in this world now are bred shows

Hmm...interesting.
In other words, you saying there was a time the Caucasian Ovcharkas was preferable in all ramifications than the BMs?

oluomoadebayo:


Effectiveness of the bite is the most important thing but I guess you haven’t work a dog in your life because it’s getting ridiculous with these irrelevant claims.

Are you actually contrasting yourself openly?
Which bite force is most effective, the higher or the lower?
You call the bite force of a dog irrelevant? Wow. Here I was, reading a thread on my prospective and beautiful breed of dog, the Belgian Malinois. From a "renowned breeder" in the Dog world of Nigeria.
Until I kept reading on and stumbled upon some conversations or perhaps an argument between the fervent dog breeders about an obviously stronger breed of dog and an agile/trained(I wouldn't say weaker) breed of dog
Pains me to say, the purpose of this thread is lost to an unknown cause.

oluomoadebayo:


I always ignore such people but there are some novice guys that are reading and learning.

Exactly the reason why I involved myself in the conversation
Silent viewers are yearning to learn. But with the much uneccesary comparing and comtrasting that as occured, I'm certain they are already lost in their decision
Well I'm done with that conversation. Talks like this only yields discord among we brethrens and discredits the already made efforts of anyone involved

..Back to the purpose of the thread..

Those are beautiful
canines. Your trainings are awesome, and your style of drilling dem' dogs too
Been wondering, just some few quetions if you don't mind

OtyandTheFangs:

I said trained
Well, you haven't seen mine. And the ones I've trained, brotha

Hunt drive you say?
They were bred for their strength, agility and their loyalty brotha.
Do you know their renowned "loyalty" once made them the number one American Family Dog. You disagree? Well research will help. And if at all you don't find it on the net then let me know so I'll forward a video of their history and their traits to you.
At least , you'd have no doubt left seeing that video

Now let me shock you, APBTs have better agility than the BMs and GSDs. I know you'll ask me why they aren't mainly used for police escorts and guarding.
Well I'll leave you to research

You don't have to leave me to research, you can take up the challenge and let's put this to bed once and for all. APBT is a game-bred dog and the major quality outside the fighting ring is the hunt drive. If the police will take her up as a dog, it would be mainly for detection purpose. A proper bred APBT has zero human aggression.

OtyandTheFangs:

Are you actually contrasting yourself openly?
Which bite force is most effective, the higher or the lower?
You call the bite force of a dog irrelevant? Wow. Here I was, reading a thread on my prospective and beautiful breed of dog, the Belgian Malinois. From a "renowned breeder" in the Dog world of Nigeria.
Until I kept reading on and stumbled upon some conversations or perhaps an argument between the fervent dog breeders about an obviously stronger breed of dog and an agile/trained(I wouldn't say weaker) breed of dog
Pains me to say, the purpose of this thread is lost to an unknown cause.

Contradicting myself? Hell no. Let me find a way to explain this without revealing my training trade secret. There are a lot of dog breeds that have a stronger bite force than the Malinois but they are not as effective as the Malinois and the GSD. Even the Boerboels has a superior bite force. Majority of these dogs will bite and pull which causes less damage while a proper Malinois will dig in and bite. They bite as if their lives depend on it. I choose Malinois after seeing a lot of top dogs from different breeds. Malinois and GSD are the only dogs you can send into a burning house to search for survival that will still wag her tails. They are the only dogs that will go inside an unknown apartment to apprehend a terrorist. The only dog breeds you can take to war and trust their instinct better than yours. I did not choose GSD because of health problems and political issues in their breeding now. Many LE agencies are dropping out because of that reason as well.

As for the other breeds we have been discussing, they have their own strength and weakness but weaknesses and poor breeding has cost a lot. A CO will pass out if subjected to the same level of intensity you put a Malinois or GSD through. Too much jump will break their bones or damage the hip. Overheating will make her more stressed and less functional. Fila Brasileiro would have been my ideal big dog if I'm not an average dog size guy.

As for the APBT agility, I have seen a lot of videos showcasing their strength but I wouldn't say they have better agility. Have you worked with a Malinois before? You can only know which dog bites better if you are under a suit and not behind a computer.

OtyandTheFangs:

Hmm...interesting.
In other words, you saying there was a time the Caucasian Ovcharkas was preferable in all ramifications than the BMs?

There was no time I ever thought CO was preferable. If the Russians are buying and cloning a Malinois, that tells you something. I get it that CO is scaring with their huge look but I need a savage dog.

Attached are the pictures of my friend, Paul. He has access to the best CO but yet a malinois breeder. He makes more money selling CO as a middle man to pet homes and google readers.

OtyandTheFangs:

Exactly the reason why I involved myself in the conversation
Silent viewers are yearning to learn. But with the much uneccesary comparing and comtrasting that as occured, I'm certain they are already lost in their decision
Well I'm done with that conversation. Talks like this only yields discord among we brethrens and discredits the already made efforts of anyone involved

..Back to the purpose of the thread..

Those are beautiful
canines. Your trainings are awesome, and your style of drilling dem' dogs too
Been wondering, just some few quetions if you don't mind

I have a thick skin and I don't get angry or personal about dog stuff, it's just a dog at the end of the day but NL is now full of half-baked breeders that ride on the popularity of a certain breed in order to make money. Many unsuspecting buyers depend on google as well and anytime they see a Boerboel, they think they are getting a strong dog that used to fight lions. It is a chance for all of us to argue constructively without calling names. There is a lot to a breed,i.e, not every Malinois will kill or protect you. We need to start learning hence the reason for my thread here. I have never made money on here other than a few dog food I sold on this board

Eveezy:

What makes a dog a good guard dog? Yall ve brought out fact about bite force, but are bites all what it takes to be a good guard dog? Caucasians and the rest are strong no doubt, but does it make it a good guard dog? Not every shreded guy can fight, If u are into fighting sports, u would know there are smaller guys who beat up giants due to thier skills.
Malinois may not be as strong as a caucasian, but they are smart enuf to defeat a caucasian.
I do not have an actual real life scenario to explain dis to u, but I will make reference to a movie, d movie showed wat will happen in a real life scenario, watch the movie "Max" two rottweillers were sent to take down a malinois, ofcourse in a show of strength dey will devour d malinois, but a malinois knows dis, it outsmarted dem by running them tired until he took his strike, nd it was severe.

Effectiveness is better dan muscles. Shreded men are used as bouncers to scare people away, but to take down a bad guy, espicially if its a chase, the smaller the better. And security agencies know dis. Work smart nd nt with power.

Gra gra no dey ever win race!

First of all max is a movie.Second it's a children's movie.Third it has a written and predetermined script.Fourth all the dogs were told what to do beforehand so it's not a good example.Fifth max was the hero of the movie so of course he was going to win.In real life that fight would have been ended very badly for max.And since it's a kid's film footage of a malinois strewn all over a place would have been disallowed.After all we have seen more unrealistic things happen in movies (small skinny girl beats up big burly man in so many films).A Rottweiler can stand its ground against 2 pittbulls or german shepherds(unless you're saying a malinois which is basically a smaller skinnier gsd can take out two pitts)Can a Doberman win an English mastiff?(Dobermans are kind of similar to malinois except they are more vicious,smarter,bigger and stronger and English mastiff likewise to rott) If the English mastiff wins then why can't two rotts decimate a single malinois?Yes malinois are good working dogs but let it stay there.Saying they are better guard dogs than dogs bred for that purpose is just silly.Basically every mastiff and lgd can win a malinois in a fight (They do it with wolves which are faster stronger and smarter than malinois) so i dont get the hype on this thread.Id sooner get a Pitt as a guard dog than a malinois.Stop hyping them.The hype is so much it's making me hate them.Comparing 30kg+ malinois to 200kg+ Caucasian
Be honest,which would you pick to attack you?
I tried resisting the temptation to derail this thread further but the hype was just getting out of hand.I'll delete this comment soon.

abbeg:
First of all max is a movie.Second it's a children's movie.Third it has a written and predetermined script.Fourth all the dogs were told what to do beforehand so it's not a good example.Fifth max was the hero of the movie so of course he was going to win.In real life that fight would have been ended very badly for max.And since it's a kid's film footage of a malinois strewn all over a place would have been disallowed.After all we have seen more unrealistic things happen in movies (small skinny girl beats up big burly man in so many films).A Rottweiler can stand its ground against 2 pittbulls or german shepherds(unless you're saying a malinois which is basically a smaller skinnier gsd can take out two pitts)Can a Doberman win an English mastiff?(Dobermans are kind of similar to malinois except they are more vicious,smarter,bigger and stronger and English mastiff likewise to rott) If the English mastiff wins then why can't two rotts decimate a single malinois?Yes malinois are good working dogs but let it stay there.Saying they are better guard dogs than dogs bred for that purpose is just silly.Basically every mastiff and lgd can win a malinois in a fight (They do it with wolves which are faster stronger and smarter than malinois) so i dont get the hype on this thread.Id sooner get a Pitt as a guard dog than a malinois.Stop hyping them.The hype is so much it's making me hate them.Comparing 30kg+ malinois to 200kg+ Caucasian
Be honest,which would you pick to attack you?
I tried resisting the temptation to derail this thread further but the hype was just getting out of hand.I'll delete this comment soon.

No one is asking you not to hate them because you add no value to the breed even though you like them. Multiple agencies in the world cannot be wrong. The most guarded house in the world is US White House and they are using malinois to guide it. Bloodhound and the Retrievers are equally good trackers, yet, malinois are preferred. CO is a guard dogs like you claimed but people are entrusting their lives with a Malinois. There is a saying that says “It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.”

abbeg:
First of all max is a movie.Second it's a children's movie.Third it has a written and predetermined script.Fourth all the dogs were told what to do beforehand so it's not a good example.Fifth max was the hero of the movie so of course he was going to win.In real life that fight would have been ended very badly for max.And since it's a kid's film footage of a malinois strewn all over a place would have been disallowed.After all we have seen more unrealistic things happen in movies (small skinny girl beats up big burly man in so many films).A Rottweiler can stand its ground against 2 pittbulls or german shepherds(unless you're saying a malinois which is basically a smaller skinnier gsd can take out two pitts)Can a Doberman win an English mastiff?(Dobermans are kind of similar to malinois except they are more vicious,smarter,bigger and stronger and English mastiff likewise to rott) If the English mastiff wins then why can't two rotts decimate a single malinois?Yes malinois are good working dogs but let it stay there.Saying they are better guard dogs than dogs bred for that purpose is just silly.Basically every mastiff and lgd can win a malinois in a fight (They do it with wolves which are faster stronger and smarter than malinois) so i dont get the hype on this thread.Id sooner get a Pitt as a guard dog than a malinois.Stop hyping them.The hype is so much it's making me hate them.Comparing 30kg+ malinois to 200kg+ Caucasian
Be honest,which would you pick to attack you?
I tried resisting the temptation to derail this thread further but the hype was just getting out of hand.I'll delete this comment soon.

I knew someone will point out that its a movie, which is y I said, I may nt have a real life scenario to share, but wjat happened in Max, depicts what would happen in a real life scenerio.

Now answer my first question, What makes a dog a good guard dog?

Or do u think the White house didnt have access to Caucasians, b4 choosing a malinois over dem?

I mentioned in my earlier post that any big person can be used as a bouncer to scare people away, but to get a job done, you need someone flexible.

Once again, Gra Gra no dey win d race!

oluomoadebayo:


No one is asking you not to hate them because you add no value to the breed even though you like them. Multiple agencies in the world cannot be wrong. The most guarded house in the world is US White House and they are using malinois to guide it. Bloodhound and the Retrievers are equally good trackers, yet, malinois are preferred. CO is a guard dogs like you claim but people are entrusting their lives with a Malinois. There is a saying that says “It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.”

We have admitted over and over that malinois are better working dogs due to their intelligence,desire to please and stuff like that but bigger dogs like mastiffs are better guard dogs.Afterall that's what they were created for.Who would want a slow stubborn Caucasian as an attack dog?It can't even fit in a helicopter when going on missions! But it excels on defending livestock and property.Why would I want a malinois to defend my flock against wolves and bears?They'll rip it apart! But it's one of the best working dogs out there.This argument started with someone crossing malinois over to the guard dog role.And claiming they outclassed Rottweilers and mastiffs at it.No one said Caucasians and their kind were necessarily better than malinois.But they are better guard dogs.That's for sure.You also need to be able to largely subdue the target.Malinois seem to lack the size and strength to fully accomplish this task.
Another thing is the overhyping.Malinois aren't the strongest or smartest dogs out there.You don't need to be an expert to know that.Yet some people were acting like they were extremely strong and powerful dogs that can take down anything that moves.We both know this isn't true.They are determined yes but im not sure they pack the punch to do such.Even gsd are stronger.
That's what stretched this argument this far.
I'll delete this comment soon to make space for relevant posts.