abbeg:
We have admitted over and over that malinois are better working dogs due to their intelligence,desire to please and stuff like that but bigger dogs like mastiffs are better guard dogs.Afterall that's what they were created for.Who would want a slow stubborn Caucasian as an attack dog?It can't even fit in a helicopter when going on missions! But it excels on defending livestock and property.Why would I want a malinois to defend my flock against wolves and bears?They'll rip it apart! But it's one of the best working dogs out there.This argument started with someone crossing malinois over to the guard dog role.And claiming they outclassed Rottweilers and mastiffs at it.No one said Caucasians and their kind were necessarily better than malinois.But they are better guard dogs.That's for sure.You also need to be able to largely subdue the target.Malinois seem to lack the size and strength to fully accomplish this task.
Another thing is the overhyping.Malinois aren't the strongest or smartest dogs out there.You don't need to be an expert to know that.Yet some people were acting like they were extremely strong and powerful dogs that can take down anything that moves.We both know this isn't true.They are determined yes but im not sure they pack the punch to do such.Even gsd are stronger.
That's what stretched this argument this far.
I'll delete this comment soon to make space for relevant posts.

no more arguments ..let them believe wat they want to believe.

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let's leave sentiment and be realistic in this part of the world how many times have you heard of wolves attacking livestock? but robbers and burglers are rampant people get dog as personal security these days not to guide livestocks from wolves or wild beasts and as far as it is for personal protection malinois stands out truth is I rather get chased by a Caucasian than get chased by a malinois. do you think you can outrun a malinois or maybe climb on car to escape? Nah a malinois will follow you to any length even if you like jump enter lagoon. malinois is not a good guard dog but a good working dog so what is guarding or is guarding not work? malinois are very versatile and can fit almost any profile forget about all these strength or whatever If I have a gun I will take Anthony Joshua down in 2 seconds gra gra no dey win race

abbeg:
We have admitted over and over that malinois are better working dogs due to their intelligence,desire to please and stuff like that but bigger dogs like mastiffs are better guard dogs.Afterall that's what they were created for.Who would want a slow stubborn Caucasian as an attack dog?It can't even fit in a helicopter when going on missions! But it excels on defending livestock and property.Why would I want a malinois to defend my flock against wolves and bears?They'll rip it apart! But it's one of the best working dogs out there.This argument started with someone crossing malinois over to the guard dog role.And claiming they outclassed Rottweilers and mastiffs at it.No one said Caucasians and their kind were necessarily better than malinois.But they are better guard dogs.That's for sure.You also need to be able to largely subdue the target.Malinois seem to lack the size and strength to fully accomplish this task.
Another thing is the overhyping.Malinois aren't the strongest or smartest dogs out there.You don't need to be an expert to know that.Yet some people were acting like they were extremely strong and powerful dogs that can take down anything that moves.We both know this isn't true.They are determined yes but im not sure they pack the punch to do such.Even gsd are stronger.
That's what stretched this argument this far.
I'll delete this comment soon to make space for relevant posts.

So when I send a dog into an apartment to attack someone, is he not doing his job? If someone is invading your house, why won't he take him down? If you are in doubt come to my house and I wll put you under bite suit and lets see if you will be knocked down or not. You can delete your comment because if you don't history will quote your vague argument. Good working dog but a bad guard dog...lol

space9880:
let's leave sentiment and be realistic in this part of the world how many times have you heard of wolves attacking livestock? but robbers and burglers are rampant people get dog as personal security these days not to guide livestocks from wolves or wild beasts and as far as it is for personal protection malinois stands out truth is I rather get chased by a Caucasian than get chased by a malinois. do you think you can outrun a malinois or maybe climb on car to escape? Nah a malinois will follow you to any length even if you like jump enter lagoon. malinois is not a good guard dog but a good working dog so what is guarding or is guarding not work? malinois are very versatile and can fit almost any profile forget about all these strength or whatever If I have a gun I will take Anthony Joshua down in 2 seconds gra gra no dey win race

Yes,we all agree on this.Thank God you admitted big dogs were better guard dogs.Atleast you didnt dismiss that.Big dogs are better.But mostly in the fighting part.But if its to chase...
I'd rather go for a gsd or malinois.
I just wanted to add that one bullet can't kill a kangal or Caucasian.....unless it's to the head.

abbeg:
Okay.I understand your point.But it's still exaggerated.
The people in the white house have their reasons(maybe it's for running down intruders and holding them till a handler comes not engaging them which is how Russians use their Caucasians) But the truth is mastiffs and co are still better guard dogs.It's in their blood.Malinois are more like special forces.Elite troops for precise operations.Mastiffs and lgd are more like tanks.Just go there and fight!! A thief is more likely to subdue a malinois than a kangal.I read somewhere how a thief killed a police malinois set on him with a penknife.If it was a Caucasian it would have ended differently. But then Caucasian aren't fast enough.Also big dogs tend to be lazy 'and only use energy when necessary.Most are also very stubborn (Caucasian) and that isn't a desirable trait for most people.So overall each is good in its own field.
But if it were to come down to a fight...
Big dog wins.Uncontested. ( gra gra doesn't apply when it comes to one on one)

I can kill any dog with a knife especially the big ones. Have you had a muzzle fight with dogs before? You will realize how easy it is to dodge the big dogs. When they come hard on you and they miss it takes some time to stand up and chase again and that is where an average dog has a better advantage. Police dogs in America are trained not to bite deeply because of court cases against the handler but the reverse is the case in Germany and Isreal. If a Malinois is biting you for real, brother, you won't remember the knife. Anyone can prove me wrong with his /her dog.

abbeg:
Yes,we all agree on this.Thank God you admitted big dogs were better guard dogs.Atleast you didnt dismiss that.Big dogs are better.But mostly in the fighting part.But if its to chase...
I'd rather go for a gsd or malinois.
I just wanted to add that one bullet can't kill a kangal or Caucasian.....unless it's to the head.

and how did you know about the bullet stuff? did you see a kangal or Caucasian that was shot maybe in the chest and survived and please I'm not agreeing on anything

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abbeg:
Me sef I'm tired.This malinois hyping is just never going to end in Nigeria.Until after like 5yrs maybe.That's how Caucasian flopped too in Nigeria

No one is hyping anything. I only had 3 litters in Nigeria and I started more than 5 years ago. I put to sleep the ones that are not up to my standard. I'm not doing this because I want you to buy from me. I'm doing this to improve the k9 community that is very watered because people choose propaganda over fact. If you are so sure of your dog, why can't I see anyone accept a practical test?

Anyone that is reading silently, do not buy Caucasian in the name of security in Nigeria. If you do, find a dog trainer to test the dog before risking your life on the animal.

space9880:


and how did you know about the bullet stuff? did you see a kangal or Caucasian that was shot maybe in the chest and survived and please I'm not agreeing on anything

This is when I realize he is not talking from fact. Thank you @space9880 for pointing this out.

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abbeg:
I didn't see it with my eyes but I saw one online.Nairaland to be precise .I've forgotten the Caucasian one but search 'kangal gets shot eight times after mauling old woman to death'
I still remember that one.The Caucasian one it was a man testifying himself how his dog saved him from three armed robbers after getting shot.I dont remember where I saw that one.

kangal got shot eight times? I can't argue with you as I cannot argue what I do not know but I think it will be better for you to back it up instead of leaving it to me and if I remember clearly you have a Caucasian let's just wait for it to grow and we can do the bullet test at least Oluomoadebayo has agreed to put his dog to test you should probably do that too as it is more practical.

abbeg:
I didn't see it with my eyes but I saw one online.Nairaland to be precise .I've forgotten the Caucasian one but search 'kangal gets shot eight times after mauling old woman to death'
I still remember that one.The Caucasian one it was a man testifying himself how his dog saved him from three armed robbers after getting shot.I dont remember where I saw that one.

I also saw it on Facebook that APBT removed his owner's head. Like I said earlier, propaganda over fact and it is very confusing and dangerous.

oluomoadebayo:


I also saw it on Facebook that APBT removed his owner's head. Like I said earlier, propaganda over fact and it is very confusing and dangerous.

we see it everyday lol meanwhile well bred APBT has no human aggression very hilarious

space9880:


kangal got shot eight times? I can't argue with you as I cannot argue what I do not know but I think it will be better for you to back it up instead of leaving it to me and if I remember clearly you have a Caucasian let's just wait for it to grow and we can do the bullet test at least Oluomoadebayo has agreed to put his dog to test you should probably do that too as it is more practical.

I will not even test with a bullet. I only need a water bottle or a little agitation stick.

space9880:


we see it everyday lol meanwhile well bred APBT has no human aggression very hilarious

People will just write something with photoshop picture to get facebook likes but the sad part of it is people believing such in the 21'st century.

oluomoadebayo:


I will not even test with a bullet. I only need a water bottle or a little agitation stick.

over to you @abbeg you can bring your dog for the water bottle test

oluomoadebayo:


People will just write something with photoshop picture to get facebook likes but the sad part of it is people believing such in the 21'st century.

yeah really sad

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abbeg:
I knew that one was a lie from the beginning.It was a gang war instead and the pitbull killed it owner yes,but in another country and it didn't rip its head off.
So you guys seriously think you can shoot a kangal randomly and it will drop dead?
Why won't you be hyping malinois.

Just imagine if this hit was on your flesh with the suit but I guess it is all a hype.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QkrZpo7z4&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR2iPj_8fbAxVZ-z-CjSeXy_1CxF8GuD8H98-T6Iiw6q3BqxST0ar0NPUX0

Aren't you posting your malinois stuff again? Almost a week now.It's this mindless (but interesting I have to admit I've learnt a lot)argument that's keeping traffic.Or is that what you want to keep going on here? Just one pic and this thread is back on track.

Another hyping even though it is un a sports field.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM-s5NFYhEE

oluomoadebayo:


Just imagine if this hit is on your flesh with the suit but I guess it is all a hype.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QkrZpo7z4&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR2iPj_8fbAxVZ-z-CjSeXy_1CxF8GuD8H98-T6Iiw6q3BqxST0ar0NPUX0

Yes it is!
That dog got mad skills but a kangal or Caucasian attack is still scarier.
Even the ones in that training video.

abbeg:
Yes it is!
That dog got mad skills but a kangal or Caucasian attack is still scarier.
Even the ones in that training video.

I know we are on Nairaland where fact doesn't matter to both buyers and sellers but one day someone will read and fact-checked most of your claims.

Most people now see dogs as a luxury instead as a tool. That is why you see many people buy scary looking dogs just to boast with during dog walk or show.

abbeg:
Aren't you posting your malinois stuff again? Almost a week now.It's this mindless (but interesting I have to admit I've learnt a lot)argument that's keeping traffic.Or is that what you want to keep going on here? Just one pic and this thread is back on track.

You mean I should start my hyping again?

oluomoadebayo:


You mean I should start my hyping again?

So posting pictures is associated with hyping?

abbeg:
I knew that one was a lie from the beginning.It was a gang war instead and the pitbull killed it owner yes,but in another country and it didn't rip its head off.
So you guys seriously think you can shoot a kangal randomly and it will drop dead?
Why won't you be hyping malinois.

poachers take down bigger and wild animals with thicker skin, flesh and stronger with one bullet and you are saying one bullet cannot kill a kangal except it is shot on the head is the skin made of bullet proof or what? I have seen super aggressive dogs that hide at the sounds of fire works let alone a bullet at close range most dogs will even lose bladder control and enough with all this talks let's be more practical Oluomoadebayo has talked about his dog's capabilities and is ready to put it to test instead of arguing with points off internet why don't you bring a dog let's see what happens and come to think of it before now security agencies have used dogs such as dobbermann, rotts and others before they switched to GSDs and are now turning to malinois don't you think there is something behind it (think about it) we are talking about gurus here that have real life experience not assumptionists ( dunno if it even exists lol) like you.

space9880:
poachers take down bigger and wild animals with thicker skin, flesh and stronger with one bullet and you are saying one bullet cannot kill a kangal except it is shot on the head is the skin made of bullet proof or what? I have seen super aggressive dogs that hide at the sounds of fire works let alone a bullet at close range most dogs will even lose bladder control and enough with all this talks let's be more practical Oluomoadebayo has talked about his dog's capabilities and is ready to put it to test instead of arguing with points off internet why don't you bring a dog let's see what happens and come to think of it before now security agencies have used dogs such as dobbermann, rotts and others before they switched to GSDs and are now turning to malinois don't you think there is something behind it (think about it) we are talking about gurus here that have real life experience not assumptionists ( dunno if it even exists lol) like you.

it takes more than a bullet to bring down an animal with a thick skin especially if a vital organ isn't hit. Also depending on the bullet

also as the Op has rightly said most Nigerians only purchase dogs to show off.

depending on what you want get the dog that suits your lifestyle.

to keep Intruders at Bay, keeping Fulani cows away from your farmland ( they only bite the legs)

oluomoadebayo:


Let me find a way to explain this without revealing my training trade secret.

Hmm...
You wanna reveal this privately?

oluomoadebayo:

You can only know which dog bites better if you are under a suit and not behind a computer

You know I actually did test the bite force of an ABPT and a GSD. The reason for using this varying dogs that differ in so many things is cause I actually saw them being rated inca video "Top 10 Best Guard Dogs". The GSD being 3rd and the Pit 2nd.
So we werked it out. Got someone to put on the gears, trigger them and I gave them the command.
Even with the bite sleeve and chain, the scars left on the dummy's hand after the APBT showcased the talent in its fangs will narrate the story for you without you asking what happened.
Like you said, pure bred APBTs might have no human-agression tendencies, ok but when trained to do what you want them to, in this case; to be aggressive towards mankind (on command). They can and will wreck havoc to that man that dares.

you guys are so quick to call for a "practical" between an untrained CO in Nigeria and a well trained malinois that has been trained since childhood.
I said I wasn't going to comment on this thread again but, olumoadebayo will you be willing to fly Kongo out to Russia to face their well trained prison dogs?
probably not because you're going to come back alone.
your dogs are well trained, stop comparing them to untrained CO's in Nigeria
and BTW malinois are used in the White house because of the same reasons they are used by police, they are just their to sniff chase and apprehend not kill.... imagine the white house being guarded by kangals, the results will be catastrophic.
you still haven't made any point other than dismissing facts and further proving the already known fact that malinois are good working dogs and saying "let's have a real life practical with your untrained CO"
I will say this again for the last time, malinois and Caucasians,kangals e.t.c are very different dogs with different uses...they both excel at what they do but let's not get crazy and say a malinois can beat a kangal or a CO.
I have even seen a case where a guy that had 2 gsd's and one CO got attacked with armed robbers.
the gsd's fled at the sound of the first gunshot but the CO stayed and fought of the thieves. the dogs where not professionally trained and they reacted out of instinct.
an untrained malinois can run at the sound of a bullet or stay and fight, it all depends on the dogs confidence. stop painting them like they where born confident an diligent to their duties.
again, your malinois are well trained if you want to compare the efficiency of the dog, check the well trained CO's in Russia.
if a fight between a well trained malinois and a well trained CO should happen, the CO will decimate the malinois... this is a very logical fact(irrespective of the love you have for the breed).
a malinois is and will never be as deadly as any mastiff of molasser dog(another fact)
if you can read about these two breeds and also watch videos of their attacks and still say the malinois will win.....then you are a bigot.
it's just like saying a skinny well trained fighter will be able to beat a huge muscular also well trained fighter because she's "agile" or "brave" or she has so much " fight" in her.
agility can only take you so far when your opponents hits are as powerful as five of your hits and also when your opponent can literary lift you up from the freaking ground!
forget movies and what the predetermined script has said, the skinny girl will die a very messy death.
until you can share a pic of a malinois doing something that shows it has as much power as a mastiff or molloser....your "experience"means crap
don't overhype your dogs and lie about what they can do because you love them...I understand how you feel but I still need to call you out on your bigotry bro
you have beautiful and well trained dogs but their usefulness has a limit, stop painting them as the " jack of all trades " of dogs.
I dare you to post a pic of malinois being left to guard a place or apprehend enemies without armed men standing by to actually get the criminal..... they are good for sports, tracking, sniffing out things and chasing and catching things and people doesn't mean they are deadly or as powerful as mastiffs
I have seen kangals and COs being left to guard farms and villages from bears and wolves but never malinois.
the COs are left on their own to guard these places but a malinois is never on it's own in case a real threat comes by.
I have read about a Tibetan mastiff that fought a whole pack of wolves(it later died after successfully warding them of) can your strongest malinois do that?
please call a spade a spade and stop all this senseless argument
until you can show me where malinois are left alone confidently to guard places like monasteries, farms, fields and prisons, you still haven't proved anything.
Malinois are wonderful dogs in their own way but please don't paint them into being what they are not
this comment is getting too long let's just end it like this.....if you are reading this, forget everything we said in the comments and go and research malinois and kangals or CO...watch their attack videos and use your own judgement to end this argument

Peace