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"do you understand the trinity"


you certinally don't false jw tatime
lets see how many lies you have there against Father and Son


1.Father didn't ask Himself to go to earth to save man
He asked the Word

2.the Word didn't agree with Himself
He agreed with Father

3.the word didn't volunteer Himself to Himself
He volunteered Himself to Father

4.Jesus didn't pray to himself
Jesus prayed to His Father

5.Jesus didn't glorify Himself repeatedly
He glorified His Father repeatedly

6.Jesus didn't strenghten Himself
but Father strenghened Him

7.Jesus never talked to Himself
but talked to His Father

8.Father never forsook Himself
Jesus disciples forsook Jesus and fled

9.Jesus never sacrificed Himself to prove His loyalty to Himself
Jesus was sacrificed for the sins of the world


Jesus did resurrect Himself, that one was obviously gotten right by mistake


10.Jesus didn't exalt Himself above Himself
Father exlted Jesus

11.Jesus didn't sit down at His own right hand
but sat at Fathers right hand

12.Father would not turn everything over to Himself
but would turn everything over to Jesus

13.not all things would become everything to Father
but all things would become everything to Jesus



false jw tatime you don't know that Father and the word is God
but you sure do love to mock Him


1Jn 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

an antichrist doesn't just deny the Son, he denies Father and Son
mockingly saying things like: "God prayed to himself and glorified himself repeatedly"

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Father and Son are of course two persons in God
not two gods as you false jw tatime believe

Father and Son is God, john 1:1 plus a multitude of verses

1Co 12:3  Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord(kurios), but by the Holy Ghost.

of course false jw's cannot say that Jesus is the Lord-God


kurios
κύριος
kurios
koo'-ree-os
From κῦρος kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, title): - God, Lord


and of course the Holy Spirit wouldn't be needed for anyone, atheist, sectarian, or whoever
to say: Jesus is "a god" or Jesus was "just a man", any fool even could say things like that
but the Holy Spirit is needed to say Jesus is Lord-God
as we christians say

Barristter07:
One human? The other time, it was one Man. So you brought this silly grammatical blunder here

After you called it grammatical blunder you went ahead to agree with it, aren't you the one silly here?

For the records, one human is a Single or Only Human in a group, Two humans are two separate humans, 3,4,5 so on

In a group of what Mr ITK

So keep those lies, @blue... Are you now fighting with Jesus at John 17:3?

You sure who is fighting with Jesus every day....JWs

Barristter07:


Lies .

" [Jesus] the beginning of the Creation by God " - Revelation 3:14

Stay away from demonic NWT for the benefit of your salvation.

New International Version
the ruler of God's creation.

New Living Translation
the beginning of God's new creation:

English Standard Version
the beginning of God’s creation.

Berean Study Bible
the Originator of God’s creation.

Berean Literal Bible
the Beginning of God's creation.

New American Standard Bible
the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:

Christian Standard Bible
the originator of God's creation:

Contemporary English Version
I am the faithful and true witness and the source of God's creation. Listen to what I say.

Good News Translation
who is the origin of all that God has created.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
the Originator of God's creation says:

International Standard Version
the originator of God's creation, says this:

NET Bible
the originator of God's creation:

New Heart English Bible
the Head of God's creation, says these things:

It's only your version that added 'BY' to that verse so that your GB will continue to manipulate your mind.

Emusan:


Stay away from demonic NWT for the benefit of your salvation.

New International Version
the ruler of God's creation.

New Living Translation
the beginning of God's new creation:

English Standard Version
the beginning of God’s creation.

Berean Study Bible
the Originator of God’s creation.

Berean Literal Bible
the Beginning of God's creation.


New American Standard Bible
the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:


Christian Standard Bible
the originator of God's creation:

Contemporary English Version
I am the faithful and true witness and the source of God's creation. Listen to what I say.

Good News Translation
who is the origin of all that God has created.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
the Originator of God's creation says:

International Standard Version
the originator of God's creation, says this:

NET Bible
the originator of God's creation:

New Heart English Bible
the Head of God's creation, says these things:

It's only your version that added 'BY' to that verse so that your GB will continue to manipulate your mind.

For the records, Jesus isn't the source /originator of Creation. That makes those versions the Demonic ones. POINT 1.

Now do you agree with the highlighted?

Barristter07:
For the records, Jesus isn't the source /originator of Creation. That makes those versions the Demonic ones. POINT 1.

Olodo...show us the lexical word translated as BEGINNING in that verse, let's consider it as you claim.

Now do you agree with the highlighted?

Olodo....was it only that version that rendered it that way?

Yes I agree?

Now why did your own version add BY to it?

Emusan:


After you called it grammatical blunder you went ahead to agree with it, aren't you the one silly here?

" So just as billions of people living in the world today are ONE HUMAN "

The silly one is the person that didn't comprehend well to have said I agree with this blunder above .

If they say one human died in an accident, na billion of people died ? wetin Trinity go do your life ehn

In a group of what Mr ITK

One human is a single human Ogbeni , check the example I gave above

You sure who is fighting with Jesus every day....JWs

You are the one fighting him, according to Jesus , who is the Only (One ) true God ?

Emusan:


Olodo...show us the lexical word translated as BEGINNING in that verse, let's consider it as you claim.

A word can have many meanings, it doesn't mean they are all suitable or right for the context, there are places where arche was translated beginning that if source or origin was used, it won't have any meaning.


But for revelation 3:14, to render it as source is to CONTRADICT the scripture which says the Father is the source of all things- this is why such s translation is highly demonic!

Olodo....was it only that version that rendered it that way?

Yes I agree?

So do you now agree he is a creation going by that which you agree with ?

Now why did your own version add BY to it?

Same reason others added " of "

Barristter07:


A word can have many meanings, it doesn't mean they are all suitable or right for the context, there are places where arche was translated beginning that if source or origin was used, it won't have any meaning.


But for revelation 3:14, to render it as source is to CONTRADICT the scripture which says the Father is the source of all things- this is why such s translation is highly demonic!

So you know a word has different meanings and it depends on context to know how it can be used yet you decide the one that suits you without considering the meaning and context....that's double standard!

Yet you failed to grab the context of the same text simply because your mind has been beclouded by the lies of GB.

The context of that verse is simply means The Word is over all creation just as some versions put it;

New International Version
the ruler of God's creation.

New Heart English Bible
the Head of God's creation, says these things:

So do you now agree he is a creation going by that which you agree with?

Olodo...only God knows how you passed your English class.

So because a version rendered it as BEGINNING to you it's CREATED

Same reason others added "of "

but 'of' and 'by' carried different meaning and can change the meaning of a sentence.

Barristter07:
" So just as billions of people living in the world today are ONE HUMAN "

The silly one is the person that didn't comprehend well to have said I agree with this blunder above .

If they say one human died in an accident, na billion of people died ? wetin Trinity go do your life ehn

You keep exposing your ignorance.

TO OTHER ENTITIES billions of people living in the world are ONE HUMAN meaning we have the same essence/nature.

Human do refer to things like
ANIMAL
PLANT
SPIRIT

Whereas within them there are classes of them...but to us snake, fish, eagle are ANIMAL

One human is a single human Ogbeni , check the example I gave above

Why are we called Human?

You're a human
I'm a human

Why not spirit, Animal, Ghost e.t.c

You are the one fighting him, according to Jesus , who is the Only (One ) true God ?

But you change everything about Him and deny His deity.

Emusan:


So you know a word has different meanings and it depends on context to know how it can be used yet you decide the one that suits you without considering the meaning and context....that's double standard!

Yet you failed to grab the context of the same text simply because your mind has been beclouded by the lies of GB.

The context of that verse is simply means The Word is over all creation just as some versions put it;

New International Version
the ruler of God's creation.

New Heart English Bible
the Head of God's creation, says these things:

See pastor running from pillar to post, na head and ruler u pitch your tent ? u need Bible study.

Ephesians 4:6 Father is the RULER of all. NOT Jesus Ogbeni..

Another demonic translation exposed!

Olodo...only God knows how you passed your English class.

So because a version rendered it as BEGINNING to you it's CREATED


but 'of' and 'by' carried different meaning and can change the meaning of a sentence.

It change nothing, beginning of the Creation OF God ... " Of God " indicate God does it , but the starting point of this activity was the creation of Christ

Comprehende?

Emusan:


You keep exposing your ignorance.

TO OTHER ENTITIES billions of people living in the world are ONE HUMAN meaning we have the same essence/nature.

Oyinbo Gidigba fixed!

See how Trinity is disgracing you upandan

Nature here refer to substance

Human do refer to things like
ANIMAL
PLANT
SPIRIT

Whereas within them there are classes of them...but to us snake, fish, eagle are ANIMAL



Why are we called Human?

You're a human
I'm a human

Why not spirit, Animal, Ghost e.t.c

Why didn't you add that prefix " one " to the above and see how they sound as well

One animal , one Spirit , one plant

This is why your analogy is a blunder

Imagine a man referring to all plants as " One plant " abeg I no fit laugh..

But you change everything about Him and deny His deity.

Haha

How did believing the scripture that Christ was created change everything about him ?

Barristter07:
Oyinbo Gidigba fixed!

See how Trinity is disgracing you upandan

Nature here refer to substance


Why didn't you add that prefix " one " to the above and see how they sound as well

One animal , one Spirit , one plant

This is why your analogy is a blunder

Imagine a man referring to all plants as " One plant " abeg I no fit laugh..

Just sorry unfortunate that you're attacking a straw man...

The purpose of adding 'ONE' is to express how we're being viewed because of our essence.

You're the one who intentionally twist it to your wack view.

So the way billions of peple are ONE HUMAN because of their essence so also God.

Or simply put, man and woman make up HUMAN likewise The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit make up God.

Haha

How did believing the scripture that Christ was created change everything about him ?

You change scripture to assign creation to Christ not what the scripture says.

The scripture says Christ is ETERNAL LIFE, how can something that is eternal created

This is the question I do ask you people but failed to answer...

Emusan:


You keep exposing your ignorance.

TO OTHER ENTITIES billions of people living in the world are ONE HUMAN meaning we have the same essence/nature.

Human do refer to things like
ANIMAL
PLANT
SPIRIT

Whereas within them there are classes of them...but to us snake, fish, eagle are ANIMAL



Why are we called Human?

You're a human
I'm a human

Why not spirit, Animal, Ghost e.t.c



But you change everything about Him and deny His deity.

i agree
billions of people (plural) are human kind (singular)
just as Father and the Word (plural) are God kind (singular)


lions are anmal kind
daisy's are plant kind
angels are spirit kind, as God is, but angels of course are not God kind

only God and the Word is God kind, and the Holy Spirit, but that's more difficult to explain

johnw47:


i agree
billions of people (plural) are human kind (singular)
just as Father and the Word (plural) are God kind (singular)


lions are anmal kind
daisy's are plant kind
angels are spirit kind, as God is, but angels of course are not God kind

only God and the Word is God kind, and the Holy Spirit, but that's more difficult to explain

Stupidity unleashed.

Janosky:


The facts speaks for itself. Let's see...

*"Begotten is the past participle of the verb 'beget' which means to Father or produce as offspring.

You might recognize this word (begotten) from John 3:16,one of the most popular and most often quoted Bible verses
"For GOD so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son...." .
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/begotten

Jehovah PRODUCED Jesus Christ as his offspring (son).

Synonyms, Produced > Beget, Generated, CREATED, bring/brought forth, begotten,born etc

Go and quarrel with your Thesaurus/ Dictionary for further
exposure of your stupidity and falsehood called Trinity.

* No2
According to your comrade & fellow lying Pharisee, Johnw47:

"God is a spirit, one spirit" entity.

" Father and the Word is two person in one spirit which is God" entity.

Get outta here with your satanic doctrine & stupidity.

johnw47:


poor tormented lying pharisee deceiver jano/onej

you know you are copycatting and talking about yourself there:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Johnw lying Pharisee and Mr twister of the holy scriptures, deludes himself.
I repeat, go and quarrel with your Thesaurus/ Dictionary for exposure of your deceit & delusion.
Stupidity unleashed !

"My people talk say na "small breeze wey blow dey open fowl yan*h "

Janosky:


Johnw lying Pharisee and Mr twister of the holy scriptures, deludes himself.
I repeat, go and quarrel with your Thesaurus/ Dictionary for exposure of your deceit & delusion.
Stupidity unleashed !

"My people talk say na "small breeze wey blow dey open fowl yan*h "

lying pharisee deceiver jano/onej

of course you don't understand anything
see post after post all you have is your bad devil mouth:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Janosky:


Stupidity unleashed.

lying pharisee deceiver jano/onej

no it's true, i will repeat it again for you:



i agree
billions of people (plural) are human kind (singular)
just as Father and the Word (plural) are God kind (singular)


lions are anmal kind
daisy's are plant kind
angels are spirit kind, as God is, but angels of course are not God kind

only God and the Word is God kind, and the Holy Spirit, but that's more difficult to explain


jano/onej
Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Janosky:

Johnw lying Pharisee and Mr twister of the holy scriptures, deludes himself.
I repeat, go and quarrel with your Thesaurus/ Dictionary for exposure of your deceit & delusion.
Stupidity unleashed !

"My people talk say na "small breeze wey blow dey open fowl yan*h "

lying pharisee deceiver jano/onej

you keep copycatting in lies what is said to you in truth
you keep talking about yourself

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

johnw47:





"do you understand the trinity"


you certinally don't false jw tatime
lets see how many lies you have there against Father and Son


1.Father didn't ask Himself to go to earth to save man
He asked the Word

2.the Word didn't agree with Himself
He agreed with Father

3.the word didn't volunteer Himself to Himself
He volunteered Himself to Father

4.Jesus didn't pray to himself
Jesus prayed to His Father

5.Jesus didn't glorify Himself repeatedly
He glorified His Father repeatedly

6.Jesus didn't strenghten Himself
but Father strenghened Him

7.Jesus never talked to Himself
but talked to His Father

8.Father never forsook Himself
Jesus disciples forsook Jesus and fled

9.Jesus never sacrificed Himself to prove His loyalty to Himself
Jesus was sacrificed for the sins of the world


Jesus did resurrect Himself, that one was obviously gotten right by mistake


10.Jesus didn't exalt Himself above Himself
Father exlted Jesus

11.Jesus didn't sit down at His own right hand
but sat at Fathers right hand

12.Father would not turn everything over to Himself
but would turn everything over to Jesus

13.not all things would become everything to Father
but all things would become everything to Jesus



false jw tatime you don't know that Father and the word is God
but you sure do love to mock Him


1Jn 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

an antichrist doesn't just deny the Son, he denies Father and Son
mockingly saying things like: "God prayed to himself and glorified himself repeatedly"


Father and Son are of course two persons in God

Johnw lying Pharisee& your fellow Pharisee who liked your post are crooks like your father the Devil.

* 1John2:22 speaks against u
Johnw lying Pharisee.
.
Your satanic doctrine denies Jesus is the son of Jehovah God by lying that "Jesus is God'
Again, your lie denies the Father's Supremacy as Almighty God by lying that Jesus is Jehovah, (1Cor11:3, Ps83:18).
But,whereas, JWs have consistently provided strong scriptural evidence that Jesus is the Christ & the son of Jehovah who is inferior to his Father.(John 14:28" the Father is greater than I".

Janosky:

Johnw lying Pharisee& your fellow Pharisee who liked your post are crooks like your father the Devil.

lying pharisee deceiver jano/onej

you are tormented that someone liked my post
too bad

Janosky:
* 1John2:22 speaks against u
Johnw lying Pharisee.

of course i don't deny that Jesus is the Christ, you lie yet again lying pharisee:
Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
1Jn 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

however you jano/onej do deny the Father and the Son in saying God's son is "a god", "a angel"
you are antichrist jano/onej

Janosky:
Your satanic doctrine denies Jesus is the son of Jehovah God by lying that "Jesus is God'

just more lying accusations from you lying pharisee jano/onej
Jesus is the Son of God:
Joh_5:25  Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Father and the Word come Jesus Christ is God:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 

Janosky:
Again, your lie denies the Father's Supremacy as Almighty God by lying that Jesus is Jehovah, (1Cor11:3, Ps83:18).
But,whereas, JWs have consistently provided strong scriptural evidence that Jesus is the Christ & the son of Jehovah who is inferior to his Father.(John 14:28" the Father is greater than I".

lying pharisee deceiver jano/onej
false accuser you cannot stop lying, Father and the Word is God, john 1:1 plus many others =
Father and the Word is Almighty-Mighty God, ask and i will post the scriptures again

Jesus is Jehovah, ask and i will post those scriptures again also

Jesus is the Christ and the Son of the Father

The Father is greater than the Son


come back with more lies and confusion lying pharisee deceiver jano/onej
it's all you have

johnw47:



1Jn 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

however you jano/onej do deny the Father and the Son in saying God's son is "a god", "a angel"
you are antichrist jano/onej



Jesus is the Son of God:
Joh_5:25  Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Father and the Word come Jesus Christ is God:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 




Father and the Word is God, john 1:1 plus many others =
Father and the Word is Almighty-Mighty God, ask and i will post the scriptures again

Jesus is Jehovah, ask and i will post those scriptures again also

Jesus is the Christ and the Son of the Father

The Father is greater than the Son

My comments & criticism of your satanic doctrine has put the pressure on you to admit that Jesus is the son of God.
Still, you have towed the path of lies & stupidity -" Jesus is Jehovah", that's the same thing as saying that your son, Johnw junior is the Father, Johnw lying Pharisee.
Pls tell your son he is you,his father.
That's how stupid you have become. Lol

Janosky:


Stupidity unleashed.

that one case is Strong

Janosky:


My comments & criticism of your satanic doctrine has put the pressure on you to admit that Jesus is the son of God.
Still, you have towed the path of lies & stupidity -" Jesus is Jehovah", that's the same thing as saying that your son, Johnw junior is the Father, Johnw lying Pharisee.
Pls tell your son he is you,his father.
That's how stupid you have become. Lol

Jesus is Jehovah,but Jesus begs Jehovah for help whereas Jehovah has NEVER begs anyone for help. Hmmmmmmmm now it's evident that Satan has a powerful grip on people with the tool called TRADITION.
Just imagine simplest logic that people will beat the stupidity out of their children,grownups will stick to it simply because that's what they've been taught even when they're SEEING that it's senseless and not working!

Emusan:


Just sorry unfortunate that you're attacking a straw man...

The purpose of adding 'ONE' is to express how we're being viewed because of our essence.

You're the one who intentionally twist it to your wack view.

So the way billions of peple are ONE HUMAN because of their essence so also God.

Nonsense, stop this blunder and manipulation already. It doesn't fit your theory

Or simply put, man and woman make up HUMAN likewise The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit make up God.

That's silly, why not add those that will be sharers of the DIVINE NATURE ?.
If equality and godship is by nature, they should be added too, don't you think?

Is divine nature not Gods nature ?

You change scripture to assign creation to Christ not what the scripture says.

Revelation 3:14 is clear enough! Don't be disobedient to the truth . ever wondered why Jesus is called SON OF ... God just as Adam and other heavenly persons are called ?

The scripture says Christ is ETERNAL LIFE, how can something that is eternal created

This is the question I do ask you people but failed to answer...

But eternal life can die ? Can Something that is eternal die !??

Your thinking is wack

Barristter07:


that one case is Strong

lie lie barrister

you and lying pharisee deceiver jano/onej would definately know all about that subject of stupidity, ha ha

Janosky:


My comments & criticism of your satanic doctrine has put the pressure on you to admit that Jesus is the son of God.

false jw jano/onej
duh, of course i have always known that Jesus is the Son of His Father God
but you lying pharisee deceiver jano /onej when you lie you are just talking your natural talk,
like your daddy devil:
Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Janosky:
Still, you have towed the path of lies & stupidity -" Jesus is Jehovah", that's the same thing as saying that your son, Johnw junior is the Father, Johnw lying Pharisee.

oh duh again, Jesus is not the Father He is the Son, ha ha
Father and Son is God, john 1:1

and of course Jesus is Jehovah, Jehovah is a name of God, Father and the Word is God, john 1:1, plus many others

Janosky:
Pls tell your son he is you,his father.
That's how stupid you have become. Lol

what i would say to my son is: don't mind jano/onej he is false jw and sooooooo confused

son would say: ha ha gee i could see that dad


2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Jehovah-Jesus gives us strength:

Isa 40:31  But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint. 

Php 4:13  I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

TATIME:
Jesus is Jehovah,but Jesus begs Jehovah for help whereas Jehovah has NEVER begs anyone for help. Hmmmmmmmm now it's evident that Satan has a powerful grip on people with the tool called TRADITION.
Just imagine simplest logic that people will beat the stupidity out of their children,grownups will stick to it simply because that's what they've been taught even when they're SEEING that it's senseless and not working!

false jw tatime, talk about being blinded, you false jw's repeat the same things over and over again, which have been explained:
2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

duh, Jehovah is a name for God
God and the Word is God, john 1 = God and the Word is Jehovah
two persons in one God

let us make man in our image, genesis 1

Father and I will make our abode in you, john 14

etc. etc. etc.


YAHWEH
Psa 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

Jesus
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:




YAHWEH
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Jesus
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;





YAHWEH
Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Jesus
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Incidentally, see at Deut 17:14 YAHWEH is referred to as a mighty God, and we know that God is also referred to as Almighty God, they are not two gods, a mighty god and an almighty god as false jw believe.




YAHWEH
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Jesus
Joh 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.





YAHWEH
Psa 130:7 Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption.
Psa 130:8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

Jesus
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.




YAHWEH
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Jesus
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

YAHWEH was pierced
Jesus was pierced



YAHWEH
Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Jesus
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Was Jesus created?

This is another half truth and lie that the Watchtower magazine uses in deceiving folks that Jesus Christ was created and not begotten. Let's study the bible text below to arrive at the truth.

"Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities or powers:  all things were created by him, and for him. And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.."  (Colossians 1:12-17).

Now let's focus on Colossians 1:15:

Does Colossians 1:15 highligted above teach that Jesus was created?

You will see here that Jesus is called the "first-born" of all creation.   The term "first-born" here does not imply "first-created" those two words mean two different things.   

You can see from the following points that Paul was not teaching that Jesus was created and he was definitely not saying that He was the firstborn of all creation: 

Birth and creation are not equivalent terms.  For example, the Bible teaches that Jesus was born of a virgin, but this does not mean that Jesus was created the day He was born of Virgin Mary and since birth and creation happen at different times, they cannot mean the same thing.

There are two different Greek words for "first-born" and "first-created" and Paul used the word which means "first-born" not "first-created"

Paul was not teaching that Jesus Christ is a created being because he further taught that Jesus Christ was really the Creator of all things.  If all things were created by Christ, He  cannot be created, otherwise there is something that Christ did not create and this verse would be in error when it states that Christ created all things.

Hebrews 1:10 and John 1:3 confirms that:

The Lord Jesus Christ is the Creator of everything that has been created and thus He must not be created, but God.

What does the title "first-born" mean?

Read what reputable Bible scholars say:

"This title refers to Christ's preeminent position and sovereignty over creation, not that He Himself is a part of creation.  In the Old Testament, the first-born had certain rights and a certain status, such as preeminence, a double share of the inheritance, the right of the priesthood, and supremacy.  And it can be distinctly seen from Genesis 49:3 that the meaning "priority of birth" or in "in time" has been overshadowed and even sometimes lost to the implication of the term meaning "supremacy" or "preeminence."  In other words, one does not have to have been "born first" to be called "first-born" because the term's primary meaning came to be "preeminence" and "supremacy," sometimes with nothing to do about birth."

When Paul calls Jesus the first-born, He is saying that Jesus has all the rights of the first-born and that He has the first-born status of supremacy and preeminence.  When Paul adds that He is the first-born of all creation, He is merely specifying what Christ's preeminence (i.e., His first-born status) applies to -- namely, all creation.

Furthermore, this passage clearly teaches Christ's deity.  Since the Uncreated Creator alone created all things (Isaiah 44:24; Hebrews 3:4), and Colossians tells us that Christ is the Creator, we can then conclude that Jesus is the Uncreated Creator.

Other Bible scholars have demonstrated that the word "born" does not mean to be "created" when we look at it from Jesus' title "Son of God."  Don't misconstrue this to mean that Jesus Christ must have come into existence at some point and that He is less than God, thinking that He is the Son of God, and not God, in just the same way that a human son comes into existence after their human father.  This might sound plausible at first, but upon proper observation it becomes clear that this cannot be the case. The Bible is very clear in defining the title Son of God" to mean that Jesus is of the same nature as God, just like a child is of the same nature as their parent.  And if Jesus Christ has God's nature, then He is, by definition, God, and therefore without a beginning.

OLAADEGBU:
Was Jesus created?

This is another half truth and lie that the Watchtower magazine uses in deceiving folks that Jesus Christ was created and not begotten. Let's study the bible text below to arrive at the truth.

"Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities or powers:  all things were created by him, and for him. And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.."  (Colossians 1:12-17).

Now let's focus on Colossians 1:15:

Does Colossians 1:15 highligted above teach that Jesus was created?

You will see here that Jesus is called the "first-born" of all creation.   The term "first-born" here does not imply "first-created" those two words mean two different things.   

You can see from the following points that Paul was not teaching that Jesus was created and he was definitely not saying that He was the firstborn of all creation: 

Birth and creation are not equivalent terms.  For example, the Bible teaches that Jesus was born of a virgin, but this does not mean that Jesus was created the day He was born of Virgin Mary and since birth and creation happen at different times, they cannot mean the same thing.

There are two different Greek words for "first-born" and "first-created" and Paul used the word which means "first-born" not "first-created"

Paul was not teaching that Jesus Christ is a created being because he further taught that Jesus Christ was really the Creator of all things.  If all things were created by Christ, He  cannot be created, otherwise there is something that Christ did not create and this verse would be in error when it states that Christ created all things.

Hebrews 1:10 and John 1:3 confirms that:

The Lord Jesus Christ is the Creator of everything that has been created and thus He must not be created, but God.

What does the title "first-born" mean?

Read what reputable Bible scholars say:

"This title refers to Christ's preeminent position and sovereignty over creation, not that He Himself is a part of creation.  In the Old Testament, the first-born had certain rights and a certain status, such as preeminence, a double share of the inheritance, the right of the priesthood, and supremacy.  And it can be distinctly seen from Genesis 49:3 that the meaning "priority of birth" or in "in time" has been overshadowed and even sometimes lost to the implication of the term meaning "supremacy" or "preeminence."  In other words, one does not have to have been "born first" to be called "first-born" because the term's primary meaning came to be "preeminence" and "supremacy," sometimes with nothing to do about birth."

When Paul calls Jesus the first-born, He is saying that Jesus has all the rights of the first-born and that He has the first-born status of supremacy and preeminence.  When Paul adds that He is the first-born of all creation, He is merely specifying what Christ's preeminence (i.e., His first-born status) applies to -- namely, all creation.

Furthermore, this passage clearly teaches Christ's deity.  Since the Uncreated Creator alone created all things (Isaiah 44:24; Hebrews 3:4), and Colossians tells us that Christ is the Creator, we can then conclude that Jesus is the Uncreated Creator.

Other Bible scholars have demonstrated that the word "born" does not mean to be "created" when we look at it from Jesus' title "Son of God."  Don't misconstrue this to mean that Jesus Christ must have come into existence at some point and that He is less than God, thinking that He is the Son of God, and not God, in just the same way that a human son comes into existence after their human father.  This might sound plausible at first, but upon proper observation it becomes clear that this cannot be the case. The Bible is very clear in defining the title Son of God" to mean that Jesus is of the same nature as God, just like a child is of the same nature as their parent.  And if Jesus Christ has God's nature, then He is, by definition, God, and therefore without a beginning.

WHO DO JESUS' FOLLOWERS SAY HE IS? Matthew 16:13
AND WHAT WAS JESUS' RESPONSE WHEN PETER CALLED HIM "GOD'S SON"? Matthew 16:16,17

OLAADEGBU:
Was Jesus created?

This is another half truth and lie that the Watchtower magazine uses in deceiving folks that Jesus Christ was created and not begotten. Let's study the bible text below to arrive at the truth.

"Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities or powers:  all things were created by him, and for him. And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.."  (Colossians 1:12-17).

Now let's focus on Colossians 1:15:

Does Colossians 1:15 highligted above teach that Jesus was created?

You will see here that Jesus is called the "first-born" of all creation.   The term "first-born" here does not imply "first-created" those two words mean two different things.   

You can see from the following points that Paul was not teaching that Jesus was created and he was definitely not saying that He was the firstborn of all creation: 

Birth and creation are not equivalent terms.  For example, the Bible teaches that Jesus was born of a virgin, but this does not mean that Jesus was created the day He was born of Virgin Mary and since birth and creation happen at different times, they cannot mean the same thing.

There are two different Greek words for "first-born" and "first-created" and Paul used the word which means "first-born" not "first-created"

Paul was not teaching that Jesus Christ is a created being because he further taught that Jesus Christ was really the Creator of all things.  If all things were created by Christ, He  cannot be created, otherwise there is something that Christ did not create and this verse would be in error when it states that Christ created all things.

Hebrews 1:10 and John 1:3 confirms that:

The Lord Jesus Christ is the Creator of everything that has been created and thus He must not be created, but God.

What does the title "first-born" mean?

Read what reputable Bible scholars say:

"This title refers to Christ's preeminent position and sovereignty over creation, not that He Himself is a part of creation.  In the Old Testament, the first-born had certain rights and a certain status, such as preeminence, a double share of the inheritance, the right of the priesthood, and supremacy.  And it can be distinctly seen from Genesis 49:3 that the meaning "priority of birth" or in "in time" has been overshadowed and even sometimes lost to the implication of the term meaning "supremacy" or "preeminence."  In other words, one does not have to have been "born first" to be called "first-born" because the term's primary meaning came to be "preeminence" and "supremacy," sometimes with nothing to do about birth."

When Paul calls Jesus the first-born, He is saying that Jesus has all the rights of the first-born and that He has the first-born status of supremacy and preeminence.  When Paul adds that He is the first-born of all creation, He is merely specifying what Christ's preeminence (i.e., His first-born status) applies to -- namely, all creation.

Furthermore, this passage clearly teaches Christ's deity.  Since the Uncreated Creator alone created all things (Isaiah 44:24; Hebrews 3:4), and Colossians tells us that Christ is the Creator, we can then conclude that Jesus is the Uncreated Creator.

Other Bible scholars have demonstrated that the word "born" does not mean to be "created" when we look at it from Jesus' title "Son of God."  Don't misconstrue this to mean that Jesus Christ must have come into existence at some point and that He is less than God, thinking that He is the Son of God, and not God, in just the same way that a human son comes into existence after their human father.  This might sound plausible at first, but upon proper observation it becomes clear that this cannot be the case. The Bible is very clear in defining the title Son of God" to mean that Jesus is of the same nature as God, just like a child is of the same nature as their parent.  And if Jesus Christ has God's nature, then He is, by definition, God, and therefore without a beginning.

Rubbish for the incinerator.

* OLAADEGBU & his fellow Pharisees are liars.
* Because his son, Olaadegbu Jnr has the nature of his father, OTUNBA OLAADEGBU, therefore, the son is definitely OTUNBA OLAADEGBU, may your sons never have this wacky thought IJNA.