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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 6:42am On Jan 31, 2019 |
TATIME: "do you understand the trinity" you certinally don't false jw tatime lets see how many lies you have there against Father and Son 1.Father didn't ask Himself to go to earth to save man He asked the Word 2.the Word didn't agree with Himself He agreed with Father 3.the word didn't volunteer Himself to Himself He volunteered Himself to Father 4.Jesus didn't pray to himself Jesus prayed to His Father 5.Jesus didn't glorify Himself repeatedly He glorified His Father repeatedly 6.Jesus didn't strenghten Himself but Father strenghened Him 7.Jesus never talked to Himself but talked to His Father 8.Father never forsook Himself Jesus disciples forsook Jesus and fled 9.Jesus never sacrificed Himself to prove His loyalty to Himself Jesus was sacrificed for the sins of the world Jesus did resurrect Himself, that one was obviously gotten right by mistake 10.Jesus didn't exalt Himself above Himself Father exlted Jesus 11.Jesus didn't sit down at His own right hand but sat at Fathers right hand 12.Father would not turn everything over to Himself but would turn everything over to Jesus 13.not all things would become everything to Father but all things would become everything to Jesus false jw tatime you don't know that Father and the word is God but you sure do love to mock Him 1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. an antichrist doesn't just deny the Son, he denies Father and Son mockingly saying things like: "God prayed to himself and glorified himself repeatedly" Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Father and Son are of course two persons in God not two gods as you false jw tatime believe 2 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 6:46am On Jan 31, 2019 |
Father and Son is God, john 1:1 plus a multitude of verses 1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord(kurios), but by the Holy Ghost. of course false jw's cannot say that Jesus is the Lord-God kurios κύριος kurios koo'-ree-os From κῦρος kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, title): - God, Lord and of course the Holy Spirit wouldn't be needed for anyone, atheist, sectarian, or whoever to say: Jesus is "a god" or Jesus was "just a man", any fool even could say things like that but the Holy Spirit is needed to say Jesus is Lord-God as we christians say |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Emusan(m): 7:07am On Jan 31, 2019 |
Barristter07: After you called it grammatical blunder you went ahead to agree with it, aren't you the one silly here? For the records, one human is a Single or Only Human in a group, Two humans are two separate humans, 3,4,5 so on In a group of what Mr ITK So keep those lies, @blue... Are you now fighting with Jesus at John 17:3? You sure who is fighting with Jesus every day....JWs |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Emusan(m): 7:24am On Jan 31, 2019 |
Barristter07: Stay away from demonic NWT for the benefit of your salvation. New International Version the ruler of God's creation. New Living Translation the beginning of God's new creation: English Standard Version the beginning of God’s creation. Berean Study Bible the Originator of God’s creation. Berean Literal Bible the Beginning of God's creation. New American Standard Bible the Beginning of the creation of God, says this: Christian Standard Bible the originator of God's creation: Contemporary English Version I am the faithful and true witness and the source of God's creation. Listen to what I say. Good News Translation who is the origin of all that God has created. Holman Christian Standard Bible the Originator of God's creation says: International Standard Version the originator of God's creation, says this: NET Bible the originator of God's creation: New Heart English Bible the Head of God's creation, says these things: It's only your version that added 'BY' to that verse so that your GB will continue to manipulate your mind. 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Barristter07: 11:01am On Jan 31, 2019 |
Emusan: For the records, Jesus isn't the source /originator of Creation. That makes those versions the Demonic ones. POINT 1. Now do you agree with the highlighted? 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Emusan(m): 11:10am On Jan 31, 2019 |
Barristter07: Olodo...show us the lexical word translated as BEGINNING in that verse, let's consider it as you claim. Now do you agree with the highlighted? Olodo....was it only that version that rendered it that way? Yes I agree? Now why did your own version add BY to it? |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Barristter07: 11:22am On Jan 31, 2019 |
Emusan: " So just as billions of people living in the world today are ONE HUMAN " The silly one is the person that didn't comprehend well to have said I agree with this blunder above . If they say one human died in an accident, na billion of people died ? wetin Trinity go do your life ehn
One human is a single human Ogbeni , check the example I gave above
You are the one fighting him, according to Jesus , who is the Only (One ) true God ? 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Barristter07: 11:37am On Jan 31, 2019 |
Emusan: A word can have many meanings, it doesn't mean they are all suitable or right for the context, there are places where arche was translated beginning that if source or origin was used, it won't have any meaning. But for revelation 3:14, to render it as source is to CONTRADICT the scripture which says the Father is the source of all things- this is why such s translation is highly demonic!
So do you now agree he is a creation going by that which you agree with ?
Same reason others added " of " 2 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Emusan(m): 12:20pm On Jan 31, 2019 |
Barristter07: So you know a word has different meanings and it depends on context to know how it can be used yet you decide the one that suits you without considering the meaning and context....that's double standard! Yet you failed to grab the context of the same text simply because your mind has been beclouded by the lies of GB. The context of that verse is simply means The Word is over all creation just as some versions put it; New International Version the ruler of God's creation. New Heart English Bible the Head of God's creation, says these things: So do you now agree he is a creation going by that which you agree with? Olodo...only God knows how you passed your English class. So because a version rendered it as BEGINNING to you it's CREATED Same reason others added "of " but 'of' and 'by' carried different meaning and can change the meaning of a sentence. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Emusan(m): 12:37pm On Jan 31, 2019 |
Barristter07: You keep exposing your ignorance. TO OTHER ENTITIES billions of people living in the world are ONE HUMAN meaning we have the same essence/nature. Human do refer to things like ANIMAL PLANT SPIRIT Whereas within them there are classes of them...but to us snake, fish, eagle are ANIMAL One human is a single human Ogbeni , check the example I gave above Why are we called Human? You're a human I'm a human Why not spirit, Animal, Ghost e.t.c You are the one fighting him, according to Jesus , who is the Only (One ) true God ? But you change everything about Him and deny His deity. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Barristter07: 12:45pm On Jan 31, 2019 |
Emusan: See pastor running from pillar to post, na head and ruler u pitch your tent ? u need Bible study. Ephesians 4:6 Father is the RULER of all. NOT Jesus Ogbeni.. Another demonic translation exposed!
It change nothing, beginning of the Creation OF God ... " Of God " indicate God does it , but the starting point of this activity was the creation of Christ Comprehende? 2 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Barristter07: 1:10pm On Jan 31, 2019 |
Emusan: Oyinbo Gidigba fixed! See how Trinity is disgracing you upandan Nature here refer to substance
Why didn't you add that prefix " one " to the above and see how they sound as well One animal , one Spirit , one plant This is why your analogy is a blunder Imagine a man referring to all plants as " One plant " abeg I no fit laugh..
Haha How did believing the scripture that Christ was created change everything about him ? 2 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Emusan(m): 1:25pm On Jan 31, 2019 |
Barristter07: Just sorry unfortunate that you're attacking a straw man... The purpose of adding 'ONE' is to express how we're being viewed because of our essence. You're the one who intentionally twist it to your wack view. So the way billions of peple are ONE HUMAN because of their essence so also God. Or simply put, man and woman make up HUMAN likewise The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit make up God. Haha You change scripture to assign creation to Christ not what the scripture says. The scripture says Christ is ETERNAL LIFE, how can something that is eternal created This is the question I do ask you people but failed to answer... |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 11:07pm On Jan 31, 2019 |
Emusan: i agree billions of people (plural) are human kind (singular) just as Father and the Word (plural) are God kind (singular) lions are anmal kind daisy's are plant kind angels are spirit kind, as God is, but angels of course are not God kind only God and the Word is God kind, and the Holy Spirit, but that's more difficult to explain |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 11:16pm On Jan 31, 2019 |
johnw47: Stupidity unleashed. 1 Like
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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 11:36pm On Jan 31, 2019 |
Janosky: johnw47: Johnw lying Pharisee and Mr twister of the holy scriptures, deludes himself. I repeat, go and quarrel with your Thesaurus/ Dictionary for exposure of your deceit & delusion. Stupidity unleashed ! "My people talk say na "small breeze wey blow dey open fowl yan*h " 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 11:43pm On Jan 31, 2019 |
Janosky: lying pharisee deceiver jano/onej of course you don't understand anything see post after post all you have is your bad devil mouth: Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 11:53pm On Jan 31, 2019 |
Janosky: lying pharisee deceiver jano/onej no it's true, i will repeat it again for you: i agree billions of people (plural) are human kind (singular) just as Father and the Word (plural) are God kind (singular) lions are anmal kind daisy's are plant kind angels are spirit kind, as God is, but angels of course are not God kind only God and the Word is God kind, and the Holy Spirit, but that's more difficult to explain jano/onej Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:00am On Feb 01, 2019 |
Janosky: lying pharisee deceiver jano/onej you keep copycatting in lies what is said to you in truth you keep talking about yourself Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 12:05am On Feb 01, 2019 |
johnw47: Johnw lying Pharisee& your fellow Pharisee who liked your post are crooks like your father the Devil. * 1John2:22 speaks against u Johnw lying Pharisee. . Your satanic doctrine denies Jesus is the son of Jehovah God by lying that "Jesus is God' Again, your lie denies the Father's Supremacy as Almighty God by lying that Jesus is Jehovah, (1Cor11:3, Ps83:18). But,whereas, JWs have consistently provided strong scriptural evidence that Jesus is the Christ & the son of Jehovah who is inferior to his Father.(John 14:28" the Father is greater than I". 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 1:00am On Feb 01, 2019 |
Janosky: lying pharisee deceiver jano/onej you are tormented that someone liked my post too bad Janosky: of course i don't deny that Jesus is the Christ, you lie yet again lying pharisee: Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. however you jano/onej do deny the Father and the Son in saying God's son is "a god", "a angel" you are antichrist jano/onej Janosky: just more lying accusations from you lying pharisee jano/onej Jesus is the Son of God: Joh_5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. Father and the Word come Jesus Christ is God: Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Janosky: lying pharisee deceiver jano/onej false accuser you cannot stop lying, Father and the Word is God, john 1:1 plus many others = Father and the Word is Almighty-Mighty God, ask and i will post the scriptures again Jesus is Jehovah, ask and i will post those scriptures again also Jesus is the Christ and the Son of the Father The Father is greater than the Son come back with more lies and confusion lying pharisee deceiver jano/onej it's all you have |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 9:56am On Feb 01, 2019 |
johnw47: My comments & criticism of your satanic doctrine has put the pressure on you to admit that Jesus is the son of God. Still, you have towed the path of lies & stupidity -" Jesus is Jehovah", that's the same thing as saying that your son, Johnw junior is the Father, Johnw lying Pharisee. Pls tell your son he is you,his father. That's how stupid you have become. Lol 2 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Barristter07: 6:07pm On Feb 01, 2019 |
Janosky: that one case is Strong 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 10:10pm On Feb 01, 2019 |
Janosky:Jesus is Jehovah,but Jesus begs Jehovah for help whereas Jehovah has NEVER begs anyone for help. Hmmmmmmmm now it's evident that Satan has a powerful grip on people with the tool called TRADITION. Just imagine simplest logic that people will beat the stupidity out of their children,grownups will stick to it simply because that's what they've been taught even when they're SEEING that it's senseless and not working! 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Barristter07: 11:20pm On Feb 01, 2019 |
Emusan: Nonsense, stop this blunder and manipulation already. It doesn't fit your theory
That's silly, why not add those that will be sharers of the DIVINE NATURE ?. If equality and godship is by nature, they should be added too, don't you think? Is divine nature not Gods nature ?
Revelation 3:14 is clear enough! Don't be disobedient to the truth . ever wondered why Jesus is called SON OF ... God just as Adam and other heavenly persons are called ?
But eternal life can die ? Can Something that is eternal die !?? Your thinking is wack 2 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 11:38pm On Feb 01, 2019 |
Barristter07: lie lie barrister you and lying pharisee deceiver jano/onej would definately know all about that subject of stupidity, ha ha |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 11:56pm On Feb 01, 2019 |
Janosky: false jw jano/onej duh, of course i have always known that Jesus is the Son of His Father God but you lying pharisee deceiver jano /onej when you lie you are just talking your natural talk, like your daddy devil: Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Janosky: oh duh again, Jesus is not the Father He is the Son, ha ha Father and Son is God, john 1:1 and of course Jesus is Jehovah, Jehovah is a name of God, Father and the Word is God, john 1:1, plus many others Janosky: what i would say to my son is: don't mind jano/onej he is false jw and sooooooo confused son would say: ha ha gee i could see that dad 2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 1:06am On Feb 02, 2019 |
Jehovah-Jesus gives us strength: Isa 40:31 But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint. Php 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 1:29am On Feb 02, 2019 |
TATIME: false jw tatime, talk about being blinded, you false jw's repeat the same things over and over again, which have been explained: 2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. duh, Jehovah is a name for God God and the Word is God, john 1 = God and the Word is Jehovah two persons in one God let us make man in our image, genesis 1 Father and I will make our abode in you, john 14 etc. etc. etc. YAHWEH Psa 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. Jesus Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: YAHWEH Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. Jesus Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; YAHWEH Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: Jesus Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. Incidentally, see at Deut 17:14 YAHWEH is referred to as a mighty God, and we know that God is also referred to as Almighty God, they are not two gods, a mighty god and an almighty god as false jw believe. YAHWEH Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Jesus Joh 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel. YAHWEH Psa 130:7 Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption. Psa 130:8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities. Jesus Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. YAHWEH Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. Jesus Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. YAHWEH was pierced Jesus was pierced YAHWEH Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call. Jesus Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:48pm On Feb 02, 2019 |
Was Jesus created? This is another half truth and lie that the Watchtower magazine uses in deceiving folks that Jesus Christ was created and not begotten. Let's study the bible text below to arrive at the truth. "Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities or powers: all things were created by him, and for him. And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.." (Colossians 1:12-17). Now let's focus on Colossians 1:15: Does Colossians 1:15 highligted above teach that Jesus was created? You will see here that Jesus is called the "first-born" of all creation. The term "first-born" here does not imply "first-created" those two words mean two different things. You can see from the following points that Paul was not teaching that Jesus was created and he was definitely not saying that He was the firstborn of all creation: Birth and creation are not equivalent terms. For example, the Bible teaches that Jesus was born of a virgin, but this does not mean that Jesus was created the day He was born of Virgin Mary and since birth and creation happen at different times, they cannot mean the same thing. There are two different Greek words for "first-born" and "first-created" and Paul used the word which means "first-born" not "first-created" Paul was not teaching that Jesus Christ is a created being because he further taught that Jesus Christ was really the Creator of all things. If all things were created by Christ, He cannot be created, otherwise there is something that Christ did not create and this verse would be in error when it states that Christ created all things. Hebrews 1:10 and John 1:3 confirms that: The Lord Jesus Christ is the Creator of everything that has been created and thus He must not be created, but God. What does the title "first-born" mean? Read what reputable Bible scholars say: "This title refers to Christ's preeminent position and sovereignty over creation, not that He Himself is a part of creation. In the Old Testament, the first-born had certain rights and a certain status, such as preeminence, a double share of the inheritance, the right of the priesthood, and supremacy. And it can be distinctly seen from Genesis 49:3 that the meaning "priority of birth" or in "in time" has been overshadowed and even sometimes lost to the implication of the term meaning "supremacy" or "preeminence." In other words, one does not have to have been "born first" to be called "first-born" because the term's primary meaning came to be "preeminence" and "supremacy," sometimes with nothing to do about birth." When Paul calls Jesus the first-born, He is saying that Jesus has all the rights of the first-born and that He has the first-born status of supremacy and preeminence. When Paul adds that He is the first-born of all creation, He is merely specifying what Christ's preeminence (i.e., His first-born status) applies to -- namely, all creation. Furthermore, this passage clearly teaches Christ's deity. Since the Uncreated Creator alone created all things (Isaiah 44:24; Hebrews 3:4), and Colossians tells us that Christ is the Creator, we can then conclude that Jesus is the Uncreated Creator. Other Bible scholars have demonstrated that the word "born" does not mean to be "created" when we look at it from Jesus' title "Son of God." Don't misconstrue this to mean that Jesus Christ must have come into existence at some point and that He is less than God, thinking that He is the Son of God, and not God, in just the same way that a human son comes into existence after their human father. This might sound plausible at first, but upon proper observation it becomes clear that this cannot be the case. The Bible is very clear in defining the title Son of God" to mean that Jesus is of the same nature as God, just like a child is of the same nature as their parent. And if Jesus Christ has God's nature, then He is, by definition, God, and therefore without a beginning. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 1:21pm On Feb 02, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU:WHO DO JESUS' FOLLOWERS SAY HE IS? Matthew 16:13 AND WHAT WAS JESUS' RESPONSE WHEN PETER CALLED HIM "GOD'S SON"? Matthew 16:16,17 2 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 1:01am On Feb 03, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU: Rubbish for the incinerator. * OLAADEGBU & his fellow Pharisees are liars. * Because his son, Olaadegbu Jnr has the nature of his father, OTUNBA OLAADEGBU, therefore, the son is definitely OTUNBA OLAADEGBU, may your sons never have this wacky thought IJNA. |
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