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TATIME:
That's why i keep saying "practice your own Christianity so that what Jesus said about the light could be equally applied to you as a group" oh sorry. IN PERSON! Matthew 5:14-16
At least Jehovah's Witnesses are known in all the neighbourhood as a group to be vilified. Matthew 5:11,12
And Jehovah's Witnesses are given credits by some individuals. 1Peter 2:12,3:15

Those who give credit to JWs are people of the world. But the genuine followers of Christ tell them the bitter truth which they perceive as villification.
In Matthew 16:13-18, Jesus cared about how the members of his own fold saw him and didn't bother about how the world perceived Him. This is because those who could really make genuine assessment of him are those who had a deep knowledge about his message of salvation. But we have a group claiming to be God's organization yet always seeking and relishing the approval of the very world which Jesus said can never love Him and His genuine followers. Shameless false prophets!

achorladey:
TATIME: If you're really an intellectual you should have noticed that i NEVER agreed with that worthless term "denomination" for once!

Achorladey: No one is forcing you to AGREE with the WORTHLESS term DENOMINATION. It's just a pity the LEADER of the ORGANIZATION you are a member of knows you are one of the many CHRISTIAN DENOMINATION. That's why whenever they go to COURT fighting they seek RIGHT other Christian denomination have to freedom of WORSHIP.


TATIME: My believe is "if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses,you're not a Christian"

Achorladey: Obviously from the above CHARLES TAZE RUSSELL is not a CHRISTIAN.

TATIME: so going by Tatime's idea, their is NOTHING like denomination in Christianity.

Achorladey: It's all in the name......TATIME'S IDEA.


TATIME: It's either you're a Christian{JW} or an unbeliever!

Achorladey: John 3:16 -18 For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that EVERYONE(NOT JWS alone) who BELIEVES in him will not perish but have eternal life.  17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him. 18 The ONE WHO BELIEVES in him is not condemned. The one who does not BELIEVE has been condemned already, because he has not BELIEVED in the NAME of the ONE and ONLY SON of GOD. 

Hairyrapunzel made a case of you putting JW in parentheses, that on its own proves your DENOMINATION SAGA.

I leave you with this PARAMETER the LEADERS of the ORGANIZATION you are a MEMBER of stated about those that will not be destroyed as part of God's enemies as captured in chapter 21 of the footnote to paragraph 5 on page 223 of the GOD'S KINGDOM RULE BOOK .......

It seems reasonable that the destruction of "Babylon the Great" refers mainly to the destruction of the RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS( is the Christian congregation of Jehovah's witnesses part of such RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS?), not to a wholesale slaughter of all RELIGIOUS PEOPLE. Hence, MOST of BABYLON former ADHERENTS will survive that DESTRUCTION and, AT LEAST OPENLY, will then LIKELY distance THEMSELVES from RELIGION as indicated at Zechariah 13:4-6.

What you quote above has put many bible belivers in hot soup. It generate two questions and others, but i will stop at two. Bt your answer to question 1 can probably generate a third one

1) Whiich belive are we talking about, there are various belief abou him within xtianity and islam?

2] If our forefathers before xtianity doesnt believe him, are they saved?

Peacefullove:
Hahahahahaha u have far bigger comprehension issue. Souls with Body are in hell, Jesus said BODY, BoDy BoDy and Soul in hell to finalize it

If hell now release the dead in it, Is it soul and body it release or are u telling this thread Jesus is a liar??

You have run out of steam. Did Jesus not make it clear in that verse that at death on earth the soul continues living?

And you still have not found the courage to explain how possible for a grave to be buried in another grave. Care to do so this time around?

Deadlytruth:
You have run out of steam. Did Jesus not make it clear in that verse that at death on earth the soul continues living?

He didnt, he said it follows the body to hell. U will struggle hard at this point.

If Soul follow body to hell, what does hell release?

A) *Soul and body <Jesus<

B), soul alone <deadlytruth>

Peacefullove:
He didnt, he said it follows the body to hell. U will struggle hard at this point.

If Soul follow body to hell, what does hell release?

A) *Soul and body <Jesus<

B), soul alone <deadlytruth>

Where is the Bible reference for the bolded? You are the one obviously struggling and sweating to prove that heresy.

And you still have not found the courage to explain how possible for a grave to be buried in another grave. Care to do so this time around?

Deadlytruth:
Quoting Bible verses in isolation again. When will you stop this please?
The issue in John 7:46 started right from verse 38 and 39 of that chapter where Jesus spoke about the coming of the Holy Spirit which would give his followers the powers to do wonders and also teach them the scriptures perfectly without mistakes, hence the soldiers said "no one speaks like this man" in verse 46. Isn't it therefore laughable that you are trying to put into the picture of that passage your organization which doesn't believe in the Holy Spirit hence denies the role of signs and wonders from the Holy Spirit and in addition always makes mistakes in scrptural interpretation thus always adjusting its doctrines as against the consistence which whoever is guided genuinely by the Holy Spirit should showcase?
False prophets whom Jesus spoke of also won the love of their followers with their doctrines.
By attitude, JWs are known to be hypocrites who preach non participation in war but pledged allegiance to Adolf Hitler in his war against the Jews and big business in the US and UK, ask its members to bear arms for defence of self and their beliefs while preaching against arms bearing, shield child abusers among them from the law, etc. So what impression can all these make on anyone if not the gullible and ignorant?
You forgot to tell us that the previous verses of the same Galatians 5 you referenced above tell us the attributes of the evil ones as drunkenness which your members indulge in, envy which you openly profess for the genuine Christians in your publications, encouraging of ism and schism by way of asking others to leave their religious groups and join your publishing company as the only condition to a paradise on earth, boastfulness which your organization does and you have always been doing here about your meaningless efforts as against the clear injunction that men are put right with God through faith in Christ and not by their efforts... Romans 3:28, Galatians. 2:16...

That's why i'm still saying "go and worship your Jesus the best way you know" because Jehovah's Witnesses are worshiping Jehovah and despite all the differences in our beliefs against all of you, we stand against all odds as one happy global family!
After Jesus has given all the different religious groups forming alliance against the TRUTH so much headach in Israel,they joined hands to persecute Him. So they brought Jesus before the neutral Roman governor who looked intently at the young Nazarene whose outstanding appearance is awe-inspiring.
Pontius Pilate said about Jesus "look! the man" John 19:5
So i'm also saying to you now "look! the JWs"

Deadlytruth:
Where is the Bible reference for the bolded? You are the one obviously struggling and sweating to prove that heresy.

And you still have not found the courage to explain how possible for a grave to be buried in another grave. Care to do so this time around?

Reference -, Matt 10:28 BOdY and SOUl in hell.

Both in hell, u need glasses.

If Both are in hell, what does hell release?

Its a season film.

Deadlytruth:
And you haven't been able to point out one single verse in the Bible where fasting, vigils, birthday celebrations, cross over vigils, tithing, titles and the rest are forbidden. Shame onto you! False prophets disguising as angels!

It's all OK and scriptural my friend,just that Jehovah's Witnesses have chosen to forbid all of it with passion. Yet despite our resolve,those who are so much attached to these festivals are still commending JWs like crazy,is that not wonderful? 1Peter 2:12

Peacefullove:
Reference -, Matt 10:28 BOdY and SOUl in hell.

Both in hell, u need glasses.

If Both are in hell, what does hell release?

After quoting {Luke 16:19-31} abeg all those who have died are either in heaven or in hell~Deadlytruth
Jesus meant to say "SOUL alone goes to Hellfire" so Apostle Deadlytruth is here to correct that mistake at Matthew 10:28!

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmm these guys are typing all these regarding the EFFECTS Jehovah's Witnesses teachings has on them! John 7:46
Take note that IT IS THE DOCTRINES that has left indisputable mark on them coupled with the virtuous attitudes of JWs! Matthew 7:15-20
You're mixing two things together Sir, JWs are winning the hearts of these people NOT by spectacular shows of magical acts you call signs and wonders but with the FRUIT of God's holy spirit! Galatians 5:22,23

As per the bolded; In Acts 8:9,10,13 Simon was a magician who had dazzled the people with magical acts. But when Paul arrived the scene he didn't use his mouth to accuse him of deceiving people with magical powers. He only proved it so by performing the genuine miracles with the power of God so much that even Simon himself began to marvel. So we expect that since you and your talk talk organization believe our miracles are by magic and fake, you prove us wrong by performing the genuine ones rather than just mouthing criticisms. We hereby challenge you to perform the genuine miracles from God let's see if you truly have the Holy Spirit. Prove it in action.

Mark 16:15, 17. Says that signs and wonders must follow believers as confirmation of their words. So any organization which claims to be winning souls without the need for signs and wonders is obviously spreading falsehood and not genuinely winning souls but deceiving them with what they want to hear like:
1. There is no punishment for sins
2. You can drink as much as you like
3. God doesn't ask anyone to pay offering so don't worry about that when coming to fellowship with us.
4. If you abuse a child just make sure no one else sees you in the act so that two witnesses can't be established against you hence you are free from punishment
5. Fasting is no longer necessary because its time has passed
etc.
Come to think of it; who doesn't really love to hear all such things which seem to portray the Christian race as so easy and undemanding? Who in his carnal mind doesn't really once in a while wish Christianity is as bread and butter as such?

TATIME:
After quoting {Luke 16:19-31} abeg all those who have died are either in heaven or in hell~Deadlytruth
Jesus meant to say "SOUL alone goes to Hellfire" so Apostle Deadlytruth is here to correct that mistake at Matthew 10:28!

Hahahahaha i don laff tire. Him wan correct his lord mistake?

The whole luke 16 saga is now in chaos, it means the rich man mentioned is there bodily which he has denied from beginning.,

Deadlytruth:
As per the bolded; In Acts 8:9,10,13 Simon was a magician who had dazzled the people with magical acts. But when Paul arrived the scene he didn't use his mouth to accuse him of deceiving people with magical powers. He only proved it so by performing the genuine miracles with the power of God so much that even Simon himself began to marvel. So we expect that since you and your talk talk organization believe our miracles are by magic and fake, you prove us wrong by performing the genuine ones rather than just mouthing criticisms. We hereby challenge you to perform the genuine miracles from God let's see if you truly have the Holy Spirit. Prove it in action.

Mark 16:15, 17. Says that signs and wonders must follow believers as confirmation of their words. So any organization which claims to be winning souls without the need for signs and wonders is obviously spreading falsehood and not genuinely winning souls but deceiving them with what they want to hear like:
1. There is no punishment for sins
2. You can drink as much as you like
3. God doesn't ask anyone to pay offering so don't worry about that when coming to fellowship with us.
4. If you abuse a child just make sure no one else sees you in the act so that two witnesses can't be established against you hence you are free from punishment
5. Fasting is no longer necessary because its time has passed
etc.
Come to think of it; who doesn't really love to hear all such things which seem to portray the Christian race as so easy and undemanding? Who in his carnal mind doesn't really once in a while wish Christianity is as bread and butter as such?

Since you said the world has gone after the JWs and our teachings {without any sign and wonders}. John 11:48
Jehovah's Witnesses don't perform any miracles and our teaching totally abhors all your festivities and traditions which you've been using as side attractions for centuries yet commendations are coming for JWs from right,left and center. Matthew 5:16,James 3:13
Mr Deadlytruth Sir instead of admitting defeat unwillingly,why not stand up to the challenge.
Jesus said the Pharisees travelled land and see to make one convert. Matthew 23:15
Jesus' followers also buckled up to meet the challenges for reaching people without let up. Act 5:28
So the stage was set,but it was the Pharisees after been defeated that were crying FOUL! FOUL!! When the Christians started beating them hands down in the field!
Don't end up like your folks in Russia who are gathering thugs in order to attack JWs simply because you want to fight for God ooooo! Act 17:5

Peacefullove:
What you quote above has put many bible belivers in hot soup. It generate two questions and others, but i will stop at two. Bt your answer to question 1 can probably generate a third one

1) Whiich belive are we talking about, there are various belief abou him within xtianity and islam?

2] If our forefathers before xtianity doesnt believe him, are they saved?

Peacefullove: 1) Which belive are we talking about,

Achorladey: How well do you understand the word "BELIEVE" as contained in the scriptures cited.

It's not a bad thing to explain it as well in order for us to reason along

Peacefullove: there are VARIOUS BELIEF abou him within xtianity and islam?

Achorladey: when Jesus made that statement as recorded did he have the mindset of the VARIOUS BELIEFS about him in CHRISTIANITY and ISLAM?

Peacefullove: 2] If our FOREFATHERS before xtianity doesnt believe him, are they saved?

Achorladey: Concerning our FOREFATHERS before CHRISTIANITY under consideration here, I can only tell you to take a close look at the account in HEBREWS as it applies here.

After reading ascertain there SALVATION in line with whatever is recorded there.

achorladey:
Peacefullove: 1) Which belive are we talking about,
Achorladey: How well do you understand the word "BELIEVE" as contained in the scriptures cited.
It's not a bad thing to explain it as well in order for us to reason along
Peacefullove: there are VARIOUS BELIEF abou him within xtianity and islam?
Achorladey: when Jesus made that statement as recorded did he have the mindset of the VARIOUS BELIEFS about him in CHRISTIANITY and ISLAM?
Peacefullove: 2] If our FOREFATHERS before xtianity doesnt believe him, are they saved?
Achorladey: Concerning our FOREFATHERS before CHRISTIANITY under consideration here, I can only tell you to take a close look at the account in HEBREWS as it applies here.
After reading ascertain there SALVATION in line with whatever is recorded there.

Certainly BELIEF could simply be whatever anybody feels about Jesus.
So JWs are 100% correct about whatever claims we make as long as we're also using the name Jesus during worship!
Our own Jesus differs so i don't think you should have any problem with that Sir!

TATIME:
Since you said the world has gone after the JWs and our teachings {without any sign and wonders}. John 11:48
Jehovah's Witnesses don't perform any miracles and our teaching totally abhors all your festivities and traditions which you've been using as side attractions for centuries yet commendations are coming for JWs from right,left and center. Matthew 5:16,James 3:13
Mr Deadlytruth Sir instead of admitting defeat unwillingly,why not stand up to the challenge.
Jesus said the Pharisees travelled land and see to make one convert. Matthew 23:15
Jesus' followers also buckled up to meet the challenges for reaching people without let up. Act 5:28
So the stage was set,but it was the Pharisees after been defeated that were crying FOUL! FOUL!! When the Christians started beating them hands down in the field!
Don't end up like your folks in Russia who are gathering thugs in order to attack JWs simply because you want to fight for God ooooo! Act 17:5

Look at the mirror to see who all these your thrash speak to.
You have been asked where the Bible forbids all that you call tradition but no response. You have been shown hard Bible passages which you yourself couldn't deny are factual as to how they prove your organization as a heretic group. But rather than accept the truth and repent, you have stubbornly continued to grandstand because your heart has been hardened with false teachings thus making your conscience as if seared with an iron rod...1 Timothy 4:2
Who is attacking JW that is already dying a natural death evidenced by huge disposal of assets and setting up of mechanism to prevent leakage of information about their unfulfilled false prophesies and failed predictions of the day of Jesus' return?
The foul foul cry is rather coming from you over your envy for the miracles being performed by the true followers of Christ who though don't see themselves in any competition with anyone. Those who think they are in an earthly competition with others for the worlds commendation are the JWs hence they are always boasting of doing better than others who actually do better but see themselves as not worthy enough except through the grace of God obtained through faith. Let those who think they are in a competition continue to seek applause from their assumed spectators. Out of the abundance of their hearts their mouths speak.

Deadlytruth:
Look at the mirror to see who all these your thrash speak to.
You have been asked where the Bible forbids all that you call tradition but no response. You have been shown hard Bible passages which you yourself couldn't deny are factual as to how they prove your organization as a heretic group. But rather than accept the truth and repent, you have stubbornly continued to grandstand because your heart has been hardened with false teachings thus making your conscience as if seared with an iron rod...1 Timothy 4:2
Who is attacking JW that is already dying a natural death evidenced by huge disposal of assets and setting up of mechanism to prevent leakage of information about their unfulfilled false prophesies and failed predictions of the day of Jesus' return?
The foul foul cry is rather coming from you over your envy for the miracles being performed by the true followers of Christ who though don't see themselves in any competition with anyone. Those who think they are in an earthly competition with others for the worlds commendation are the JWs hence they are always boasting of doing better than others who actually do better but see themselves as not worthy enough except through the grace of God obtained through faith. Let those who think they are in a competition continue to seek applause from their assumed spectators. Out of the abundance of their hearts their mouths speak.

Haaaaaaaa what a relief
So that means you can go and worship your Jesus without disturbing JWs and i can go and worship my Jehovah without been attacked!
God bless you Sir!

TATIME:
That's why i'm still saying "go and worship your Jesus the best way you know" because Jehovah's Witnesses are worshiping Jehovah and despite all the differences in our beliefs against all of you, we stand against all odds as one happy global family!
After Jesus has given all the different religious groups forming alliance against the TRUTH so much headach in Israel,they joined hands to persecute Him. So they brought Jesus before the neutral Roman governor who looked intently at the young Nazarene whose outstanding appearance is awe-inspiring.
Pontius Pilate said about Jesus "look! the man" John 19:5
So i'm also saying to you now "look! the JWs"

There is nothing like the best way to worship Jesus. Such is a teaching of false prophets which you and your organization are. The only way to worship Jesus is through faith in Him as recorded in Galatians 2:16, Hebrews 11:16.
But JWs are trying to worship God through their own human efforts by way of trying to keep certain human standards created by sinful men like everyone else. They even argue that God can only be worshipped through their organization despite Jesus clearly says in John 4:21, 23, 24.

The truth is that you really don't have any belief. The amoeba in biology is said to be shapeless not because it doesn't really have a shape at moments but because such shape keeps changing. Likewise you don't have a belief as they always keep changing. So which belief are you saying you have in variation from others'?
You accuse us all as believing in Trinity, birthday, Vigils, Tithing, Christmas, Easter, political participation, etc yet you again say our beliefs are different from one another's. Can't you see you are confused?
Ironically you and your breakway groups which are over one thousand have so many antagonistic beliefs to one another, and each one among themselves.
Despite the use of threats, disfellowshiping and shunning to artificially try to keep a single doctrine, there are still dissent opinions amongst you. But among the true Christians, there is unity of belief despite the freedom to hold contrary opinions. That shows you that it is God that's in charge of their understanding and not some 8 men.
Jesus ended up not being found guilty of what they accused Him of before the Roman Government. But JWs are guilty of pledging allegiance to Adolf Hitler in his war against the Jews, are guilty of shielding their child abusers from the arm of the law, etc hence various Governments rightly persecute them for hypocrisy and deception.

TATIME:
Haaaaaaaa what a relief
So that means you can go and worship your Jesus without disturbing JWs and i can go and worship my Jehovah without been attacked!
God bless you Sir!

You are always the one never satisfied with worshipping your publishing company without disturbing others by way of making publications about them while they don't ever dedicate a single line to speak of you in their own publications. So check the mirror again on this issue.

Deadlytruth:
You are always the one never satisfied with worshipping your publishing company without disturbing others by way of making publications about them while they don't ever dedicate a single line to speak of you in their own publications. So check the mirror again on this issue.

Hmmmmmmmm you don't have a problem Sir!

Deadlytruth:
There is nothing like the best way to worship Jesus. Such is a teaching of false prophets which you and your organization are. The only way to worship Jesus is through faith in Him as recorded in Galatians 2:16, Hebrews 11:16.
But JWs are trying to worship God through their own human efforts by way of trying to keep certain human standards created by sinful men like everyone else. They even argue that God can only be worshipped through their organization despite Jesus clearly says in John 4:21, 23, 24.

The truth is that you really don't have any belief. The amoeba in biology is said to be shapeless not because it doesn't really have a shape at moments but because such shape keeps changing. Likewise you don't have a belief as they always keep changing. So which belief are you saying you have in variation from others'?
You accuse us all as believing in Trinity, birthday, Vigils, Tithing, Christmas, Easter, political participation, etc yet you again say our beliefs are different from one another's. Can't you see you are confused?
Ironically you and your breakway groups which are over one thousand have so many antagonistic beliefs to one another, and each one among themselves.
Despite the use of threats, disfellowshiping and shunning to artificially try to keep a single doctrine, there are still dissent opinions amongst you. But among the true Christians, there is unity of belief despite the freedom to hold contrary opinions. That shows you that it is God that's in charge of their understanding and not some 8 men.
Jesus ended up not being found guilty of what they accused Him of before the Roman Government. But JWs are guilty of pledging allegiance to Adolf Hitler in his war against the Jews, are guilty of shielding their child abusers from the arm of the law, etc hence various Governments rightly persecute them for hypocrisy and deception.

Hmmmmmmmmm you have NO problem Sir.

Peacefullove:
Reference -, Matt 10:28 BOdY and SOUl in hell.

Both in hell, u need glasses.

If Both are in hell, what does hell release?

Mathew 10:28 says; Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather be afraid of God, who can destroy both body and soul in hell.

That verse says God can do both. It doesn't say He has already started doing both.
'I can do it' is different from 'I am already doing it'
Going by the context of the verse, it is clear that humans can kill the body but can't kill the soul. Now, if you as a human being kills a person now, then it means only his body dies and is buried while his soul continues living. Where then does that soul go to since it doesn't die and follow the body to the grave? I need your answer here

In Mathew 22: 31-32 Jesus says of God 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.' He is the God of the living, not of the dead.
The bodies of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are dead and buried. So if Jesus could say they are however alive, then he must be referring to their souls. That lends credence to my position that Abraham is actually alive in heaven in the form of his soul hence the rich man was actually communicating with Abraham in that parable hence it was in the literal sense Jesus applied the parable.
Meanwhile you are still cleverly avoiding my question as to the possibility of burying a grave inside another grave. Why are you running away from this particular question? Why are you so afraid of attempting to answer it?

TATIME:
After quoting {Luke 16:19-31} abeg all those who have died are either in heaven or in hell~Deadlytruth
Jesus meant to say "SOUL alone goes to Hellfire" so Apostle Deadlytruth is here to correct that mistake at Matthew 10:28!

Matthew 22:31-32 says 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.' He is the God of the living, not of the dead.
If Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are still alive even though dead bodily, then it means it is their souls that are alive hence Abraham's soul is what was seen by the rich man who was himself there as a soul. Likewise Lazarus.
As for Mathew 10:28; "I can destroy you" doesn't mean the same thing as "I am already destroying you".
Can you answer this question in all honesty?:
In this very Mathew 10:28, Jesus has explained that when men kill fellow men their souls don't die along with their bodies. Now where does that soul go to after the boy has been buried? Does it join the body in the grave despite it is not dead?

Deadlytruth:
Matthew 22:31-32 says 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.' He is the God of the living, not of the dead.
If Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are still alive even though dead bodily, then it means it is their souls that are alive hence Abraham's soul is what was seen by the rich man who was himself there as a soul. Likewise Lazarus.
As for Mathew 10:28; "I can destroy you" doesn't mean the same thing as "I am already destroying you".
Can you answer this question in all honesty?:
In this very Mathew 10:28, Jesus has explained that when men kill fellow men their souls don't die along with their bodies. Now where does that soul go to after the boy has been buried? Does it join the body in the grave despite it is not dead?

Bro please read Ephesians 2:1
and 1 Timothy 5:6

then Romans 4:16-17
then you may see that even if a person is alive, he can be dead in God's eyes
and even if a person is dead he can be alive in God's eyes all because of his/her faith..
that is what Jesus Christ is saying in this Matthew..
compare luke20:38

Deadlytruth:
Mathew 10:28 says; Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather be afraid of God, who can destroy both body and soul in hell.

That verse says God can do both. It doesn't say He has already started doing both.

It doesnt say he has already started

Really? So nobody goes to hell.

Listen and listen good, if anyone will go to hell, it will be with their body unless Jesus lie!!!!!


So what does hell release if both body and SOUl is there?

'I can do it' is different from 'I am already doing it'
Going by the context of the verse, it is clear that humans can kill the body but can't kill the soul. Now, if you as a human being kills a person now, then it means only his body dies and is buried while his soul continues living. Where then does that soul go to since it doesn't die and follow the body to the grave? I need your answer here

That soul follow the body to hell - Matthew 10 vs 28

So what does hell release ?

In Mathew 22: 31-32 Jesus says of God 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.' He is the God of the living, not of the dead.
The bodies of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are dead and buried. So if Jesus could say they are however alive, then he must be referring to their souls.

That lends credence to my position that Abraham is actually alive in heaven in the form of his soul

hence the rich man was actually communicating with Abraham in that parable hence it was in the literal sense Jesus applied the parable.

John 3 vs 13, no one has ascend to heaven. Deadlyliar.

Meanwhile you are still cleverly avoiding my question as to the possibility of burying a grave inside another grave. Why are you running away from this particular question? Why are you so afraid of attempting to answer it?

Lake of fire is grave? Nobody tells you that, u must be on sleeping pills, lake of fire is as imaginary as the wild beast thrown into it.

lordtim001:
I'm not saying celebrating Christmas could cause stumbling. I'm talking about the date you chose. That's why I asked you whether you can celebrate your Christmas on a day asides December 25th.

At least, God gave them the go ahead to continue the worship in that same temple. They didn't presumptuously go ahead and do it.

Daniel was appointed, right? He became chief of the wise men. Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego had administrative duties. Similar to civil service duties.But did their positions directly involve political affairs? Think about it

Christians work in every sector and they must strive to distinguish themselves. I agree with you on that

How then does celebrating Christmas on another day cause stumbling?
Can you point out the verse in which God gave Josiah and co to go ahead with worship there after they rid it of idols?
In the book of Esther God wasn't mentioned at all throughout. You can read through and verify this yourself. However Modecai and Esther instituted the Purim festival on their own pronouncements and the Israelites began to observe it without God stopping them. Jesus has given his genuine followers the power to establish and bind things Mathew 16:19. So why ask for God's permission again when He already gave you this power?
Politics means participation in the running of government by the head of the government and his appointees who occupy positions of influence. Daniel and the rest were appointees who occupy positions of power and influence.
Jesus' promissory response to the disciples demanded for the restoration of the earthly Kingdom of Israel settles the question of political participation.

Peacefullove:
It doesnt say he has already started

Really? So nobody goes to hell.

Listen and listen good, if anyone will go to hell, it will be with their body unless Jesus lie!!!!!



That soul follow the body to hell - Matthew 10 vs 28



John 3 vs 13, no one has ascend to heaven. Deadlyliar.



Lake of fire is grave? Nobody tells you that, u must be on sleeping pills, lake of fire is as imaginary as the wild beast thrown into it.

John 3:3 means no one in bodily form has ascended to heaven. That was a conversation between Jesus and Nicodemus who were both in the bodily forms. But Jesus quickly added that except Himself who came down from it. Recall that Jesus was already in heaven as a spirit. So your conjectures fail again.

Deadlytruth:
Mathew 10:28 says; Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather be afraid of God, who can destroy both body and soul in hell.

That verse says God can do both. It doesn't say He has already started doing both.
'I can do it' is different from 'I am already doing it'
Going by the context of the verse, it is clear that humans can kill the body but can't kill the soul. Now, if you as a human being kills a person now, then it means only his body dies and is buried while his soul continues living. Where then does that soul go to since it doesn't die and follow the body to the grave? I need your answer here

In Mathew 22: 31-32 Jesus says of God 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.' He is the God of the living, not of the dead.
The bodies of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are dead and buried. So if Jesus could say they are however alive, then he must be referring to their souls. That lends credence to my position that Abraham is actually alive in heaven in the form of his soul hence the rich man was actually communicating with Abraham in that parable hence it was in the literal sense Jesus applied the parable.
Meanwhile you are still cleverly avoiding my question as to the possibility of burying a grave inside another grave. Why are you running away from this particular question? Why are you so afraid of attempting to answer it?

I think the 'body' could be compared to your PHYSIC while the 'soul' here means the PERSONALITY. For clearer understanding, John the baptist is a person and Herod Antipas is also a person. PHYSICALLY John can handle Herod but due to PERSONALITY differences Herod ordered for John's head! Today they're both DEAD but what about their personality as in their remembrance? While John is kept ALIVE in God's memory book{Malachi 3:16 compared to Revelations 20:15}Herod has joined Adam{never coming back again} So goes the BODY and SOUL!
Daniel after writing the book called by his name asked God "what is the meaning of all these things?" Daniel 12:8
God's response "go Daniel" twice! Daniel 12:9,13
If God said "GO" definitely Daniel will not be alive anywhere until the day of resurrection,but his virtuous PERSONALITY{soul} coupled with his PHYSIC{body} are stored in God's memory book of remembrance! Revelations 20:15
And as for the Lake of fire,it connotes complete destruction not the common GRAVE.
So Hell {symbol of GRAVE} will be hauled into the Lake of fire{symbol of complete DESTRUCTION} Revelations 20:14

Crysthaniel:
Bro please read Ephesians 2:1
and 1 Timothy 5:6

then Romans 4:16-17
then you may see that even if a person is alive, he can be dead in God's eyes
and even if a person is dead he can be alive in God's eyes all because of his/her faith..
that is what Jesus Christ is saying in this Matthew..
compare luke20:38

All your references speak of spiritual death. But we are talking of physical death sir. Thanks.

Deadlytruth:
John 3:3 means no one in bodily form
has ascended to heaven. That was a conversation between Jesus and Nicodemus who were both in the bodily forms. But Jesus quickly added that except Himself who came down from it. Recall that Jesus was already in heaven as a spirit. So your conjectures fail again.

Lying xtian, typical

1. Show me the bold in that statement?

2. Body and soul go to hell, whay does hell release ?

Deadlytruth be correcting and manipulating Jesus. Boy feels his lord make mistakes too much

Body and SOUl in hell, what does hell release ?



No one, no one, he says clearly. John 3 vs 13 has ascended to heaven. busting him again.

achorladey:
Peacefullove: 1) Which belive are we talking about,

Achorladey: How well do you understand the word "BELIEVE" as contained in the scriptures cited.

It's not a bad thing to explain it as well in order for us to reason along

Peacefullove: there are VARIOUS BELIEF abou him within xtianity and islam?

Achorladey: when Jesus made that statement as recorded did he have the mindset of the VARIOUS BELIEFS about him in CHRISTIANITY and ISLAM?

Peacefullove: 2] If our FOREFATHERS before xtianity doesnt believe him, are they saved?

Achorladey: Concerning our FOREFATHERS before CHRISTIANITY under consideration here, I can only tell you to take a close look at the account in HEBREWS as it applies here.

After reading ascertain there SALVATION in line with whatever is recorded there.

1. The bold is what i wanted to know, So tell me the mindset he has

2. You that have read the hebrews, what does it say aboit their fate? Does it say they are saved or not?