achorladey:


CAPTIVATOR: 90% of your colleagues worship Jesus.

Achorladey: You could have answered the question bordering on WORSHIPPING Jesus posted earlier.

As regards 90% of my colleagues doing so is that not a very good indication for absence of CONFLICTING TEACHINGS as your friends have been AGITATING all along. Is that not a case of UNITY in what they BELIEVE.

CAPTIVATOR: You are all divided like sheep's without a shepherd.

Achorladey: I hope you can see the CONTRADICTION in the same post. 90% of them do same thing about worshipping Jesus, yet they are DIVIDED. How?

True worshippers will worship the Father. That render them false worshippers, who worship " the creation rather than the creator " Romans 2:25

As for unity. You Lied, They claim to worship Jesus but which Jesus ? There are various versions of Christ among them. A monicker peacefullove once highlight this . seed of disunity .

When Christ ask: Who do you say I am ? All the disciples expressed THE SAME view of Jesus through Peter - Matt 16:16.

Your realm of disunity on Nairaland platform as evidences by this thread is enough proof. No , just take a look at how brothers Stick closely with Each other, But among you is disunity .

Who are the sheep? Who is the Shepherd. Your position is all other Christian denominations apart from the Jws worship JESUS. I am forced to ask again, who are the sheep? Who is the Shepherd.

Hebrews13: 20,21

Now may the God of peace, who brought up from the dead the GREAT SHEPHERD of the SHEEP, our Lord Jesus, with the blood of an everlasting covenant, 21 equip you with every good thing to do his WILL, WORKING IN US THROUGH JESUS CHRIST what is WELL-PLEASING IN HIS SIGHT, to whom be the glory forever and ever. Amen.

Who are the sheep? Who is the shepherd?

If you know you know.

Didnt Jesus appoint sherperds In the congregation ? - Act 20:28, 1pet 5:2-4. Jehovahs witnesses adhere closely to this scriptural direction

Here on Nairaland. Am sure there are sherperd over your disunited flock

achorladey:


Peacefullove: Which BELIEVE are we talking about, there are various belief about him within Christianity and islam?

Achorladey: In summary the BELIEVE is found in John 14:6 Jesus replied, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 

Old testament saints like Moses, David, Joel, Isaiah . do they believe the above? Will they be saved ? are they saved ?

Peacefullove: 2] If our forefathers before xtianity DOESNT BELIEVE him, are they saved?

So what did John 3:16 I quoted earlier say about that. Read AGAIN

For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES in him will not perish but have eternal life.

The difference is clear.........DOESN'T BELIEVE and EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES.

How can they believe someone they didn't know ?

So since our forefathers also didn't believe him too, They are not saved. That forced me to ask: where are they presently ?

Peacefullove:




Old testament saints like Moses, David, Joel, Isaiah . do they believe the above? Will they be saved ? are they saved ?



How can they believe someone they didn't know ?

So since our forefathers also didn't believe him too, They are not saved. That forced me to ask: where are they presently ?

Lol.
Their flight done reach there tay tay.

CAPTIVATOR:


Hebrew 10;24,25 reads " And let US consider one another so as to incite to love and fine works.not forsaking OUR meetings together "

Us and OUR , Unbelievers included ?

U need prayers.

So where did the bible say US and OUR doesn't include unbelievers? Or are only believers? You go just they assume and speculate.

Judgemental prick.

Peacefullove:




Old testament saints like Moses, David, Joel, Isaiah . do they believe the above? Will they be saved ? are they saved ?



How can they believe someone they didn't know ?

So since our forefathers also didn't believe him too, They are not saved. That forced me to ask: where are they presently ?

Show us what the bible said about old testament saints like David, moses, Isaiah, Joel.

You can show us the bible verse that said they are not saved or show us the bible verse that said they didn't believe in Jesus Christ.


I am sure you will quote encyclopedia. We are waiting

CAPTIVATOR:


True worshippers will worship the Father. That render them false worshippers, who worship " the creation rather than the creator " Romans 2:25

As for unity. You Lied, They claim to worship Jesus but which Jesus ? There are various versions of Christ among them. A monicker peacefullove once highlight this . seed of disunity .

When Christ ask: Who do you say I am ? All the disciples expressed THE SAME view of Jesus through Peter - Matt 16:16.

Your realm of disunity on Nairaland platform as evidences by this thread is enough proof. No , just take a look at how brothers Stick closely with Each other, But among you is disunity .



Didnt Jesus appoint sherperds In the congregation ? - Act 20:28, 1pet 5:2-4. Hegivahst witnesses adhere closely to this scriptural direction

Here on Nairaland. Am sure there are sherperd over your disunited flock

So you now even judge the kind of Christ Christians worship? You even judge them for worshipping Jesus Christ?


Acts 20: 28
28 Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. [/b]Be shepherds of the church of God,[a] which he bought with his own blood.[b



Its like you now agree that Jesus Christ is the holy spirit in Act 20:28 ?

You won't read the bible fully to know who is talking. At this age you don't even know the bible. Smh


[b]5 To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder and a witness of Christ’s sufferings who also will share in the glory to be revealed: 2 Be shepherds of God’s flock that is under your care, watching over them—not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not pursuing dishonest gain, but eager to serve; 3 not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock. 4 And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away.


Where did Jesus Christ appoint these people to Shepherd his flock?

You will just bring out any verse and start spewing rubbish. It's like you don't read the bible.

You even have no idea about what the bible says. Liar.

Peacefullove:




Old testament saints like Moses, David, Joel, Isaiah . do they believe the above? Will they be saved ? are they saved ?



How can they believe someone they didn't know ?

So since our forefathers also didn't believe him too, They are not saved. That forced me to ask: where are they presently ?

Peacefullove: Old testament saints like Moses, David, Joel, Isaiah.

Achorladey: Yes!

Peacefullove: do they believe the above?

Achorladey: Yes

Peacefullove: Will they be saved?

Achorladey: Yes

Peacefullove: are they saved?

Achorladey: Yes.

Peacefullove: How can they believe someone they didn't know?

Achorladey:
They all do so BY FAITH.

Hebrews 11: 24. BY FAITH, when he grew up, Moses refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter, 25 choosing rather to be ill-treated with the people of God than to enjoy sin’s fleeting pleasure. 26 He regarded abuse SUFFERED for CHRIST to be greater wealth than the treasures of Egypt, for his eyes were fixed on the reward.  27. By faith he left Egypt without fearing the king’s anger, for he persevered as though he COULD SEE the one who is INVISIBLE.

The above is an example of how our forefathers believed and SUFFERED for JESUS CHRIST. So it can be said that  


Galatians 3: 23-29 Now before faith came we were held in CUSTODY under the LAW, being kept as PRISONERS until the coming FAITH would be REVEALED. 24 Thus the LAW had become our GUARDIAN UNTIL CHRIST, so that we could be declared righteous by FAITH.25 But now that FAITH has COME, we are no longer under a guardian. 26 For in CHRIST JESUS you are all sons of God THROUGH FAITH. 27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither JEW nor GREEK, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female—for all of you are one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you BELONG to CHRIST, then you are ABRAHAM’S DESCENDANTS, HEIRS according to the PROMISE.

Peacefullove: So since our forefathers also didn't believe him too, They are not saved.

Achorladey: Didn't I tell you to READ the BOOK of HEBREWS. Had you heed the advice given then you would not have typed the above.

Peacefullove: That forced me to ask: WHERE are they PRESENTLY?

Achorladey: The post you responded and pick the BELIEVE PALAVER is not to decide WHERE these PEOPLE are. So if you KNOW WHERE THESE PEOPLE are it would be interesting to learn from you.

To cap it off, Acts 10:43 To him all the PROPHETS BEAR WITNESS, that everyone PUTTING FAITH in him receives FORGIVENESS of sins THROUGH his NAME.”

Luke 24:37 And starting with MOSES and all the Prophets, he INTERPRETED to them things pertaining to HIMSELF in all the Scriptures.

CAPTIVATOR:


True worshippers will worship the Father. That render them false worshippers, who worship " the creation rather than the creator " Romans 2:25

As for unity. You Lied, They claim to worship Jesus but which Jesus ? There are various versions of Christ among them. A monicker peacefullove once highlight this . seed of disunity .

When Christ ask: Who do you say I am ? All the disciples expressed THE SAME view of Jesus through Peter - Matt 16:16.

Your realm of disunity on Nairaland platform as evidences by this thread is enough proof. No , just take a look at how brothers Stick closely with Each other, But among you is disunity .



Didnt Jesus appoint sherperds In the congregation ? - Act 20:28, 1pet 5:2-4. Jehovahs witnesses adhere closely to this scriptural direction

Here on Nairaland. Am sure there are sherperd over your disunited flock

CAPTIVATOR: True worshippers will worship the Father. That render them false worshippers, who worship " the creation rather than the creator " Romans 2:25

Achorladey: I asked you earlier will the FATHER reject the worship of individuals who do so through worshipping Jesus? You haven't answered that yet.

You want to Palm me go CREATION and CREATOR. hahahahahaahah!

CAPTIVATOR: As for unity. You Lied, They claim to worship Jesus but which Jesus ? There are various versions of Christ among them.

Achorladey: You said THEY CLAIM. There is no way ASSUMPTION would not set in as it seems. Regarding VERSIONS of JESUS among THEM you have not shown me oooo.


CAPTIVATOR: A monicker peacefullove once highlight this. seed of disunity.

Achorladey: You can bring the post back let me see

CAPTIVATOR: When Christ ask: Who do you say I am ? All the disciples expressed THE SAME view of Jesus through Peter - Matt 16:16.

Achorladey: And when Thomas stated in John 20:27
that Jesus is his God, he has forgotten the SAME VIEW expressed through PETER. hmmmmmmmm I see!

CAPTIVATOR: Your realm of disunity on Nairaland platform as evidences by this thread is enough proof.

Achorladey: Realm of DISUNITY based on what?

CAPTIVATOR: No , just take a look at how brothers Stick closely with Each other,

Achorladey: What else will you say than the above simply because you PACKED all other religious denominations on one side and packed JWS on one side. What you fail to see is those denominations individually too enjoy the same UNITY just like the JWS have.

Don't forget you are all CHRISTIANS. Under the CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION.

CAPTIVATOR: But among you is disunity.

Achorladey: Response to this above.

CAPTIVATOR: Didnt Jesus appoint sherperds In the congregation?- Act 20:28, 1pet 5:2-4.

Achorladey: Jesus gave many GIFTS to the SHEEP and the Ability of some of the SHEEP to act as SHEPHERD is indeed one of them.

CAPTIVATOR Jehovahs witnesses adhere closely to this scriptural direction

Achorladey: So before the JWS came into existence other RELIGIOUS DENOMINATIONS don't follow the scriptural direction to follow leadings of the ELDERS or allow the SHEEP as it were follow the leadings of their FELLOW SHEEP(who take THE LEAD) and CHRIST give GIFTS of Holy Spirit to act as SHEPHERDS abi?

CAPTIVATOR: Here on Nairaland. Am sure there are sherperd over your disunited flock.

Achorladey: Hebrews 13: 20,21 Now may the God of peace, who brought up from the dead the GREAT SHEPHERD of the SHEEP, our LORD JESUS, with the blood of an everlasting covenant, 21 EQUIP you WITH EVERY GOOD THING TO DO HIS WILL, WORKING IN US THROUGH JESUS CHRIST what is WELL-PLEASING in HIS sight, to whom be the glory forever and ever. Amen.

Where did you keep this when I showed you earlier?

The Great Shepherd has promised to be with all his SHEEP far into all AGES.

CAPTIVATOR:


Hebrew 10;24,25 reads " And let US consider one another so as to incite to love and fine works.not forsaking OUR meetings together "

Us and OUR , Unbelievers included ?

U need prayers.

I can only repeat this once again.

My spirituality is not damaged, to incite people to love and fine works has no BORDER or BOUNDARIES

You quoted your friends and added that I need prayers but you failed to see what was cited, I will place it here again

Matthew 5:43-48


43“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’ and ‘hate your enemy.’44 But I say to you, love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be like your Father in heaven, since he causes the sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Even the tax collectors do the same, don’t they? 47 And if you only greet your brothers, what more do you do? Even the Gentiles do the same, don’t they? 48 So then, be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

When YOU GREET PEOPLE is that not an AVENUE to also MEET WITH THEM? Your friend picked GREET alone abandoned the rest of the scriptures. SMH and you jumped into it like that SMH.

Okay.

achorladey:


Peacefullove: Old testament saints like Moses, David, Joel, Isaiah.

Achorladey: Yes!

Peacefullove: do they believe the above?

Achorladey: Yes

Peacefullove: Will they be saved?

Achorladey: Yes

Peacefullove: are they saved?

Achorladey: Yes.

Peacefullove: How can they believe someone they didn't know?

Achorladey:
They all do so BY FAITH.

Hebrews 11: 24. BY FAITH, when he grew up, Moses refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter, 25 choosing rather to be ill-treated with the people of God than to enjoy sin’s fleeting pleasure. 26 He regarded abuse SUFFERED for CHRIST to be greater wealth than the treasures of Egypt, for his eyes were fixed on the reward.  27. By faith he left Egypt without fearing the king’s anger, for he persevered as though he COULD SEE the one who is INVISIBLE


The above is an example of how our forefathers believed and SUFFERED for JESUS CHRIST. So it can be said that  

Totally wrong , Christ is a greek term meaning annointed person or his annointing. Moses suffered for his own annointing as appointed leader of the Jews. Not Jesus. You Nl xtians have been so brainwashed that you cant differentiate anything

That never prove believe in Jesus asthe way, truth or life

Galatians 3: 23-29 Now before faith came we were held in CUSTODY under the LAW, being kept as PRISONERS until the coming FAITH would be REVEALED. 24 Thus the LAW had become our GUARDIAN UNTIL CHRIST, so that we could be declared righteous by FAITH.25 But now that FAITH has COME, we are no longer under a guardian. 26 For in CHRIST JESUS you are all sons of God THROUGH FAITH. 27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither JEW nor GREEK, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female—for all of you are one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you BELONG to CHRIST, then you are ABRAHAM’S DESCENDANTS, HEIRS according to the PROMISE.

it says they are prisoners to the coming Faith, dont you see?

Peacefullove: So since our forefathers also didn't believe him too, They are not saved.

Achorladey: Didn't I tell you to READ the BOOK of HEBREWS. Had you heed the advice given then you would not have typed the above.

Peacefullove: That forced me to ask: WHERE are they PRESENTLY?

Achorladey: The post you responded and pick the BELIEVE PALAVER is not to decide WHERE these PEOPLE are. So if you KNOW WHERE THESE PEOPLE are it would be interesting to learn from you.

To cap it off, Acts 10:43 To him all the PROPHETS BEAR WITNESS, that everyone PUTTING FAITH in him receives FORGIVENESS of sins THROUGH his NAME.”

Luke 24:37 And starting with MOSES and all the Prophets, he INTERPRETED to them things pertaining to HIMSELF in all the Scriptures.

Act 10:43 and Luke 24:37 is a woeful attempt, Those prophets do not understand what they wrote, Pauline epistles says it was kept as a secret from them, one of such is found at Colosian 1:26 and 27

Daniel another jewish prophet said i hear BUt doesnt understand.


So are these the people that belive John 14 vs 6?

Peacefullove:

Okay.


Totally wrong , Christ is a greek term meaning annointed person or his annointing. Moses suffered for his own annointing as appointed leader of the Jews. Not Jesus. You Nl xtians have been so brainwashed that you cant differentiate anything

That never prove believe in Jesus asthe way, truth or life



it says they are prisoners to the coming Faith, dont you see?



Act 10:43 and Luke 24:37 is a woeful attempt, Those prophets do not understand what they wrote, Pauline epistles says it was kept as a secret from them, one of such is found at Colosian 1:16 and 17

Daniel another jewish prophet said i hear BUt doesnt understand.


So are these the people that belive John 14 vs 6?

Bible says they are kept prisoners until the coming of the faith while you deceitfully said they are prisoners of the coming faith. Why do you like removing things and adding things to the bible?

You should tell us the place where they are since you know.

Where did the bible say they never prove jesus Christ as the way the truth and the life?

You go dey ask people question when you assume without answers from the bible.

achorladey:


I can only repeat this once again.

My spirituality is not damaged, to incite people to love and fine works has no BORDER or BOUNDARIES

You quoted your friends and added that I need prayers but you failed to see what was cited, I will place it here again

Matthew 5:43-48


43“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’ and ‘hate your enemy.’44 But I say to you, love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be like your Father in heaven, since he causes the sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Even the tax collectors do the same, don’t they? 47 And if you only greet your brothers, what more do you do? Even the Gentiles do the same, don’t they? 48 So then, be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

When YOU GREET PEOPLE is that not an AVENUE to also MEET WITH THEM? Your friend picked GREET alone abandoned the rest of the scriptures. SMH and you jumped into it like that SMH.

Hebrew 10:24,25 " not forsaking OUR MEETING TOGETHER ". who are " OUR ( Paul included in this group) " thats meeting together ? unbelievers ? pagans , atheist, agonostics and traditionalists right ?

u need prayers i insist

CAPTIVATOR:




Hebrew 10:24,25 " not forsaking OUR MEETING TOGETHER ". who are " OUR ( Paul included in this group) " thats meeting together ? unbelievers ? pagans , atheist, agonostics and traditionalists right ?

u need prayers i insist

Since they mentioned who the OUR is you can tell us. You can list the people if you can. You will be assuming and speculating.

You need the prayers. Shame did not even allow you tell us who the OUR is.

CAPTIVATOR:




Hebrew 10:24,25 " not forsaking OUR MEETING TOGETHER ". who are " OUR ( Paul included in this group) " thats meeting together ? unbelievers ? pagans , atheist, agonostics and traditionalists right ?

u need prayers i insist

CAPTIVATOR: Hebrew 10:24,25 " not forsaking OUR MEETING TOGETHER ". who are " OUR ( Paul included in this group) " thats meeting together ? unbelievers ? pagans , atheist, agonostics and traditionalists right?

Achorladey: Were I to ask AGAIN did Paul not at one time or the other MEET with all of the ABOVE and equally INCITE them to LOVE and FINE WORKS?

CAPTIVATOR: u need prayers i insist

Achorladey: I agree with you. We all NEED PRAYERS therefore the need the account in Matthew 5:43-48 keeps coming back. Here it is again.......

You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’ and ‘hate your enemy.’44 But I say to you, love your ENEMY and PRAY for those who PERSECUTE YOU, 45 so that you may be like your Father in heaven, since he causes the sun to rise on the EVIL and the GOOD, and sends rain on the RIGHTEOUS and the UNRIGHTEOUS. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Even the tax collectors do the same, don’t they? 47 And if you only greet your brothers, what more do you do? Even the Gentiles do the same, don’t they? 48 So then, be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.


Obviously some of the ENEMIES we have as Christians could include AGNOSTICS, TRADITIONALIST, PAGANS, ATHEISTS and the likes, yet THEY NEED our PRAYERS just like you and I need PRAYERS.

Don't forget some of these PAGANS, ATHEISTS, TRADITIONALISTS, AGNOSTICS are individuals who one WAY or the other also AID the CHRISTIAN course.

So what EVIL is there meeting together with these people to INCITE them to LOVE and FINE WORKS?

Peacefullove:
Okay.


Totally wrong , Christ is a greek term meaning annointed person or his annointing. Moses suffered for his own annointing as appointed leader of the Jews. Not Jesus. You Nl xtians have been so brainwashed that you cant differentiate anything

That never prove believe in Jesus asthe way, truth or life



it says they are prisoners to the coming Faith, dont you see?



Act 10:43 and Luke 24:37 is a woeful attempt, Those prophets do not understand what they wrote, Pauline epistles says it was kept as a secret from them, one of such is found at Colosian 1:26 and 27

Daniel another jewish prophet said i hear BUt doesnt understand.


So are these the people that belive John 14 vs 6?

peacefullove: Okay.

Achorladey: I want to see your OKAY as understanding the post.

Peacefullove: Totally wrong,

Achorladey: Will check soon where the wrongness of my post is.

Peacefullove: Christ is a greek term meaning annointed person or his annointing.

Achorladey: the discussion so far is not based on the meaning of CHRIST whether in Greek or Hebrews.

Peacefullove: Moses suffered FOR HIS OWN ANOINTING as appointed LEADER of the Jews. Not Jesus.

Achorladey: Hebrews 11:26 He REGARDED ABUSE SUFFERED FOR CHRIST to be greater wealth than the treasures of Egypt, for his eyes were fixed on the reward.

As it seems I don't know where you get your OWN Moses suffered for HIS OWN ANOINTING. That's why some today still call JESUS CHRIST the GREATER MOSES.

Peacefullove: You Nl xtians have been so brainwashed that you cant differentiate anything.

Achorladey: Your NL seems to mean NAIRALANDERS CHRISTIANS have been BRAINWASHED.

Are you NOT part of US? hahahahahahah.

Peacefullove: That never prove believe in Jesus as the way, truth or life.

Achorladey: You only need to show us your own PROVE about it. You asked for MINE I showed you.

Peacefullove: it says they are prisoners to the coming Faith, don't you see?

Achorladey: WHO did the PRISONERS look towards to free them from PRISONS going by your statement above?



Here you have it AGAIN.
However, before the faith arrived, we were being guarded under law, being handed over into custody, looking to the faith that was about to be revealed. 24 So the LAW BECAME OUR GUARDIAN LEADING TO CHRIST, so that we might be DECLARED RIGHTEOUS THROUGH FAITH. 25 But now that the FAITH has arrived, we are no longer under a GUARDIAN.

Peacefullove: Act 10:43 and Luke 24:37 is a woeful attempt,

Achorladey:.I will cite Acts 10:43 AGAIN..... To him all the PROPHETS BEAR WITNESS, that EVERYONE PUTTING FAITH in HIM RECEIVES FORGIVENESS of sins through his name.”

Peacefullove: Those PROPHETS DO NOT UNDERSTAND what they wrote,

Achorladey: So the PROPHETS do not understand what they BEAR WITNESS ABOUT. hmmmmmmmmm I see!

Peacefullove: PAULINE EPISTLES says it was kept as a SECRET from THEM,

Achorladey: So how did Peter by INSPIRATION states that these PROPHETS BEAR WITNESS to SECRET if they don't REALLY UNDERSTAND it?

Peacefullove:.one of such is found at Colossians 1:26 and 27.

So how did the likes of ISAIAH, Micah, Daniel Zechariah and many other PROPHETS made PROPHECY about SECRETS.

Peacefullove: Daniel another jewish prophet said i hear BUt doesnt understand.

Achorladey: They don't understand, yet THEY BELIEVE and wrote those things DOWN. They don't even need to UNDERSTAND everything about CHRIST even THOMAS who was walking with JESUS all over Israel still had difficulty understanding all the THINGS said about CHRIST. The key here is THEY ALL BELIEVE!

Peacefullove: So are these the people that believe John 14 :6?

Achorladey: Hebrews 1: 1.After GOD SPOKE long ago in various portions and in various ways to our ANCESTORS through the PROPHETS, 2 in these last days he has spoken to us in a son, whom he APPOINTED HEIR of ALL THINGS, and through whom he created the world. 

The prophets as it were know WHAT they BELIEVE.

Here is ANOTHER....... Hebrews 2: 16-18 For surely his concern is not for angels, but he is concerned for ABRAHAM'S DESCENDANTS. 17 THEREFORE he HAD to be MADE like HIS BROTHERS and SISTERS in EVERY RESPECT, so that he could BECOME a MERCIFUL and FAITHFUL HIGH PRIEST in THINGS relating to God, to make ATONEMENT for the SINS of THE PEOPLE.

achorladey:



peacefullove: Okay.

Achorladey: I want to see your OKAY as understanding the post.

Peacefullove: Totally wrong,

Achorladey: Will check soon where the wrongness of my post is.

Peacefullove: Christ is a greek term meaning annointed person or his annointing.

Achorladey: the discussion so far is not based on the meaning of CHRIST whether in Greek or Hebrews.

Peacefullove: Moses suffered FOR HIS OWN ANOINTING as appointed LEADER of the Jews. Not Jesus.

Achorladey: Hebrews 11:26 He REGARDED ABUSE SUFFERED FOR CHRIST to be greater wealth than the treasures of Egypt, for his eyes were fixed on the reward.

As it seems I don't know where you get your OWN Moses suffered for HIS OWN ANOINTING . That's why some today still call JESUS CHRIST the GREATER MOSES.

Peacefullove: You Nl xtians have been so brainwashed that you cant differentiate anything.

Achorladey: Your NL seems to mean NAIRALANDERS CHRISTIANS have been BRAINWASHED.

Are you NOT part of US? hahahahahahah.

Peacefullove: That never prove believe in Jesus as the way, truth or life.

Achorladey: You only need to show us your own PROVE about it. You asked for MINE I showed you.

You said you dont know where i get the bold from? Is Christ a name or title. Christ isnt a name, you assume
It means Jesus, Christ means annointed person. Na wah for una, moses has an anointing which make Some people who speak against him suffer.

Check the meaning of Christ and enlighten yourself thats not a prove of belive as the way, truth or life .

Peacefullove: it says they are prisoners to the coming Faith, don't you see?

Achorladey: WHO did the PRISONERS look towards to free them from PRISONS going by your statement above?



Here you have it AGAIN.
However, before the faith arrived, we were being guarded under law, being handed over into custody, looking to the faith that was about to be revealed. 24 So the LAW BECAME OUR GUARDIAN LEADING TO CHRIST, so that we might be DECLARED RIGHTEOUS THROUGH FAITH. 25 But now that the FAITH has arrived, we are no longer under a GUARDIAN.

This should not be hard for you to grab, THeY all died as prisoners, or did he met them alive?

Very simple Something

How then can prisoners understand or believe John 14:6?

Peacefullove: Act 10:43 and Luke 24:37 is a woeful attempt,

Achorladey:.I will cite Acts 10:43 AGAIN..... To him all the PROPHETS BEAR WITNESS, that EVERYONE PUTTING FAITH in HIM RECEIVES FORGIVENESS of sins through his name.”

Peacefullove: Those PROPHETS DO NOT UNDERSTAND what they wrote,

Achorladey: So the PROPHETS do not understand what they BEAR WITNESS ABOUT. hmmmmmmmmm I see!

Peacefullove: PAULINE EPISTLES says it was kept as a SECRET from THEM,

Achorladey: So how did Peter by INSPIRATION states that these PROPHETS BEAR WITNESS to SECRET if they don't REALLY UNDERSTAND it?

Peacefullove:.one of such is found at Colossians 1:26 and 27.

So how did the likes of ISAIAH, Micah, Daniel Zechariah and many other PROPHETS made PROPHECY about SECRETS.

Peacefullove: Daniel another jewish prophet said i hear BUt doesnt understand.

Achorladey: They don't understand, yet THEY BELIEVE and wrote those things DOWN. They don't even need to UNDERSTAND everything about CHRIST even THOMAS who was walking with JESUS all over Israel still had difficulty understanding all the THINGS said about CHRIST. The key here is THEY ALL BELIEVE!

Peacefullove: So are these the people that believe John 14 :6?

Achorladey: Hebrews 1: 1.After GOD SPOKE long ago in various portions and in various ways to our ANCESTORS through the PROPHETS, 2 in these last days he has spoken to us in a son, whom he APPOINTED HEIR of ALL THINGS, and through whom he created the world. 
The prophets as it were know WHAT they BELIEVE.

Here is ANOTHER....... Hebrews 2: 16-18 For surely his concern is not for angels, but he is concerned for ABRAHAM'S DESCENDANTS. 17 THEREFORE he HAD to be MADE like HIS BROTHERS and SISTERS in EVERY RESPECT, so that he could BECOME a MERCIFUL and FAITHFUL HIGH PRIEST in THINGS relating to God, to make ATONEMENT for the SINS of THE PEOPLE.

It has quickly become the prophets know what they believe

Since they lack understanding , tell me whay they believe, tell me if its still John 14 vs 6 that those who are prisoners believe?

lying pharisee deceiver Janosky/OneJ and garbage man false jw tatime
read about some of your false jw's false prophecys:


Jehovah's Witnesses and their many false prophecies
by a christian

The Witnesses make many claims in their attempt to convert you to their faith. They profess to have the only true Christian church, to be the only true representatives of God, to have the only correct biblical teaching, and to be the only true announcers of Jehovah's coming kingdom.

If they are the only true church and are the only true voice of God's word, then what they say should prove to be true and especially in prophecy. When it comes to predicting the future, the Watchtower organization fails miserably. Following are some of the false predictions made over the years by the Watchtower organization. If you present these to a JW, he will probably say something like, "Those are taken out of context," or "They didn't claim to be the prophet of God," or "The light is getting brighter, and we are understanding Bible prophecy better now," etc. Make a copy of these false prophecies, found in the appendix, and give it to them to check. They are right out of the Witnesses' literature.

Remember Deut. 18:22, "If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him." If someone makes a false prophecy and they have claimed to be a prophet of God, then they are false prophets and are not to be listened to. Do the Witnesses claim to be the prophet of God? Yes, they do.

In 1972 the Jehovah's Witness Watchtower claimed to be the prophet of God.

IDENTIFYING THE "PROPHET"--"So does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet? . . . This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian Witnesses . . . Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a 'prophet' of God. It is another thing to prove it," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1972, p. 197). (See Deut. 18:21.)

1897 "Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874," (Studies in the Scriptures, vol. 4, p. 621).
1899 " . . . the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time Is at Hand, 1908 edition, p. 101).
1916 "The Bible chronology herein presented shows that the six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th Day, the 1000 years of Christ's Reign, began in 1873," (The Time Is at Hand, forward, p. ii).
1918 "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection," (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, p. 89).
1922 "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914," (Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1922, p. 262).
1923 "Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1923, p. 106).
1925 "The year 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked forward to this year. Many have confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may be accomplished. It may not be. In his own due time God will accomplish his purposes concerning his people. Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year," (Watchtower, Jan. 1, 1925, p. 3).
1925 "It is to be expected that Satan will try to inject into the minds of the consecrated, the thought that 1925 should see an end to the work," (Watchtower, Sept., 1925, p. 262).
1926 "Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not state so. The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason; and that when their imaginations burst asunder, they were inclined to throw away everything," (Watchtower, p. 232).
1931 "There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1917, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time . . . and they also learned to quit fixing dates," (Vindication, p. 338).
1941 "Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," (Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288).
1968 "True, there have been those in times past who predicted an 'end to the world', even announcing a specific date. Yet nothing happened. The 'end' did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing? . . . Missing from such people were God's truths and evidence that he was using and guiding them," (Awake, Oct. 8, 1968).
1968 "Why are you looking forward to 1975?" (Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1968, p. 494).
A JW might say that the organization is still learning. If that is so, then how can they trust what they are taught now by the Watchtower? Will what they are being taught now change also?



A true prophet of God won't err in prophesying. Only a false prophet does. The Jehovah's Witness organization, that claims to be a prophet of God, is really a false prophet. Jesus warned us by saying:
Mat_7:15  Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Mat_24:11  And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

peter and john said:
2Pe_2:1  But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

1Jn_4:1  Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

achorladey:



CAPTIVATOR: Hebrew 10:24,25 " not forsaking OUR MEETING TOGETHER ". who are " OUR ( Paul included in this group) " thats meeting together ? unbelievers ? pagans , atheist, agonostics and traditionalists right?

Achorladey: Were I to ask AGAIN did Paul not at one time or the other MEET with all of the ABOVE and equally INCITE them to LOVE and FINE WORKS?

It says " DO NOT FORSAKE our meeting" ... Is that a one time or the other affair?

"OUR" MEETING TOGETHER.
Who are the OUR?

CAPTIVATOR: u need prayers i insist

Achorladey: I agree with you. We all NEED PRAYERS therefore the need the account in Matthew 5:43-48 keeps coming back. Here it is again.......

You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’ and ‘hate your enemy.’44 But I say to you, love your ENEMY and PRAY for those who PERSECUTE YOU, 45 so that you may be like your Father in heaven, since he causes the sun to rise on the EVIL and the GOOD, and sends rain on the RIGHTEOUS and the UNRIGHTEOUS. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Even the tax collectors do the same, don’t they? 47 And if you only greet your brothers, what more do you do? Even the Gentiles do the same, don’t they? 48 So then, be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.


Obviously some of the ENEMIES we have as Christians could include AGNOSTICS, TRADITIONALIST, PAGANS, ATHEISTS and the likes, yet THEY NEED our PRAYERS just like you and I need PRAYERS.

Don't forget some of these PAGANS, ATHEISTS, TRADITIONALISTS, AGNOSTICS are individuals who one WAY or the other also AID the CHRISTIAN course.

So what EVIL is there meeting together with these people to INCITE them to LOVE and FINE WORKS?

Who are the "our" at Hebrews 10:24,25?

CAPTIVATOR:





It says " DO NOT FORSAKE our meeting" ... Is that a one time or the other affair?

"OUR" MEETING TOGETHER.
Who are the OUR?




Who are the "our" at Hebrews 10:24,25?

Since you know who the "OUR" is you should say it.

Hairyrapunzel:


Since you know who the "OUR" is you should say it.

the "OUR" are Jehovah's Witnesses!
Another JWs assumptions i guess.

Maximus69:
the "OUR" are Jehovah's Witnesses!
Another JWs assumptions i guess.

It's like. Maybe he will have another answer. They pick a word assume and speculate then conclude that their assumption/speculation is right.

Hairyrapunzel:


It's like. Maybe he will have another answer. They pick a word assume and speculate then conclude that their assumption/speculation is right.

But i expected everyone claiming christian to assume likewise and fully support his/her claim with the scriptures,just as Jesus' early followers kept quoting the old testament to support their oga. Psalm 69:9~John 2:17,Paslm 110:1~Act 2:33-36
While many have come and gone who claimed to be the Christ! Act 5:36,37
It's like JWs are just doing the usual thing the early Christians did.

Maximus69:

But i expected everyone claiming christian to assume likewise and fully support his/her claim with the scriptures,just as Jesus' early followers kept quoting the old testament to support their oga. Psalm 69:9~John 2:17,Paslm 110:1~Act 2:33-36
While many have come and gone who claimed to be the Christ! Act 5:36,37
It's like JWs are just doing the usual thing the early Christians did.

Abi ooo, that's what i've been trying to tell them oooo.
Instead of been jealous of JWs,why not assert like they does simple!
Thanks ooooooo, obviously they're not confident to do so and they're not comfortable hearing JWs making such claims most especially Mr Hairyrapunzel!

Maximus69:

But i expected everyone claiming christian to assume likewise and fully support his/her claim with the scriptures,just as Jesus' early followers kept quoting the old testament to support their oga. Psalm 69:9~John 2:17,Paslm 110:1~Act 2:33-36
While many have come and gone who claimed to be the Christ! Act 5:36,37
It's like JWs are just doing the usual thing the early Christians did.

Thank God you said 'it's like'. It shows you are not even sure of your assumptions.

Why should you assume what's not in the Bible and make it a belief? It shows you cooked up the belief simple. You feel say you smart abi? Your colleague should tell us who is the OUR in that verse/phrase since he knows it. Abi fear no let am?

TATIME:

Abi ooo, that's what i've been trying to tell them oooo.
Instead of been jealous of JWs,why not assert like they does simple!
Thanks ooooooo, obviously they're not confident to do so and they're not comfortable hearing JWs making such claims most especially Mr Hairyrapunzel!

To me neutrality is all about setting matters straight!
I can claim to be the president of Nigeria and keep dreaming big always but i don't think it's a crime when another person lay the same claim.
According to the Bible,Jesus laid so much claims but it's the jealous Pharisees who started agitating over the issue until they got Jesus arrested and killed.
So if anyone is claiming anything i believe i can also do the same,whoever feels bad about that shouldn't claim to be a Christian but rather a jealous Pharisee!

Hairyrapunzel:


Thank God you said 'it's like'. It shows you are not even sure of your assumptions.

Why should you assume what's not in the Bible and make it a belief? It shows you cooked up the belief simple. You feel say you smart abi? Your colleague should tell us who is the OUR in that verse/phrase since he knows it. Abi fear no let am?

Well i'm on the side of whoever is competent enough to back his/her claims with the aid of scriptures.
Thanks Sir

Maximus69:
To me neutrality is all about setting matters straight!
I can claim to be the president of Nigeria and keep dreaming big always but i don't think it's a crime when another person lay the same claim.
According to the Bible,Jesus laid so much claims but it's the jealous Pharisees who started agitating over the issue until they got Jesus arrested and killed.
So if anyone is claiming anything i believe i can also do the same,whoever feels bad about that shouldn't claim to be a Christian but rather a jealous Pharisee!

Anybody can have a contrary opinion. You believe something the other person believes opposite. The other person isn't a pharisee.

If your beliefs are the truth you should fear no scrutiny.

I can claim to be the president of Nigeria and keep dreaming big always but i don't think it's a crime when another person lay the same claim.

This your statement is way off the topic of discussion. I simply asked your colleague to tell us who the OUR is since he knows it.

Is it difficult to answer?

Maximus69:
Well i'm on the side of whoever is competent enough to back his/her claims with the aid of scriptures.
Thanks Sir

He should tell us who the OUR is since he knows it.

Hairyrapunzel:


Anybody can have a contrary opinion. You believe something the other person believes opposite. The other person isn't a pharisee.

If your beliefs are the truth you should fear no scrutiny.


This your statement is way off the topic of discussion. I simply asked your colleague to tell us who the OUR is since he knows it.

Is it difficult to answer?

Do you know that there are so many thoughts that scrutinizing will render as senseless? For example,if you mention "scrutiny" then the significance of having a "unique group" as true Christians becomes inevitably stronger than the none denominational idea!
Scrutiny can only be considered when an idea is shared by like minds,you will start questioning those having this same thoughts. But there is nothing open for scrutiny in none denominational christianity,which means those claiming none denominational are shying away from SCRUTINY hence the arguments of Tatime is vindicated!
Of all the posts on this thread,the only none JW that's making real sense to me with his/her post is achorladey. This person keeps navigating all his/her posts towards the same point that no person or group of persons should try to discourage whoever feels like been addressed as a Christian,adding that the only thing needed is to assist such a person in areas he/she is found wanting in Christianity. Jesus also confirms that and JWs are at fault in this respect.
That is why i feel like asking achorladey few questions to learn from him how all Christians could reunite as one as in Unification! But the rest of you are just giving the JWs the upper hand as many of you posts comments depicting envy which could only mean that they are the group Jesus prayed for. READ John chp 17 but pay rapt attention more on verse 14~16. Good morning Sir!

Crysthaniel:

John is not Elijah
John 1:21
The angel had not told John’s father Zechariah that John would be Elijah, but that he would have “Elijah’s spirit and power . . . to get ready for Jehovah a prepared people.” (Lu 1:17)

and according to the transfiguration,
it is a VISION
Matthew 17:9

and you know visions have meaning
indicating that there was something yet to take place as represented by the work that Elijah and Moses had done.​—Mr 9:1-8
and according to the account of 2peter1:17-18
apostle Peter explain to us that
Also in the past God had spoken through prophets, he now indicated that he would do so through his Son.​—Ga 3:24; Heb 1:1-3.
when he referenced the transfiguration
compare
Deuteronomy 18:17-18
John5:46
and Elijah didn't go to a spiritual realm when he was taken through the whirlwind John 3 :13
A number of years after his ascension in the windstorm Elijah is still alive and active as a prophet, this time to the king of Judah. Because of the wicked course taken by King Jehoram of Judah, Elijah writes him a letter expressing Jehovah’s condemnation, which is fulfilled shortly thereafter.​—2Ch 21:12-15

In John 1:21 it was John the Baptist that denied being Elijah out of his own accord for the sake of humility. But Jesus Himself had said it clearly in Matthew 11:14. So between Jesus and John the Baptist Himself, who was in a better position to tell us who John the Baptist was? Recall that John the Baptist also saw Jesus and couldn't identify Him at first. All these tell you how limited John The Baptist's knowledge and awareness were, as compared with those of Jesus.
Also in Malachi 4, the prophet begins with "The Lord Almighty says....." and in verse 5 he added that "..... I will send you the Prophet Elijah..."
Was John the Baptist's testimonial about himself more reliable than those of God and Jesus about him?
Visions could be either in the form of a trance (That which Peter had in Acts 10:11-16) or a real life experience (eg that which Cornelius had in Acts 10:3)
Visions are not only limited to things yet to take place. In Acts 9 God had in a vision told Ananias what had already happened to Paul earlier on on his way to Damascus. In addition Paul's experience on his way was in the form of a vision because those traveling with him only heard Jesus voice but could not see him. But that doesn't mean that Jesus who was speaking was not real life. In the transfiguration vision the disciples seeing and hearing Moses and Elijah speak with Jesus doesn't mean it wasn't real life.
Well, I don't see anything in Gal 3:24 or Hebrews 1:1-3 that directly or indirectly suggests that the transformation experience was trance like, and by extension the other verses you referenced.
I already addressed the issue of Elijah's letter to Jehoram. Elijah was still around in Isreal and Judah while Jehoram reigned. If you hadn't picked that verse in isolation but had compared it with 2 Kings 1:17-18 to 2 Kings 2:1, you would not have assumed that the letter was an evidence that Elijah was not taken up to heaven in denial of what the scriptures clearly and unequivocally stated.

Maximus69:
Do you know that there are so many thoughts that scrutinizing will render as senseless? For example,if you mention "scrutiny" then the significance of having a "unique group" as true Christians becomes inevitably stronger than the none denominational idea!
Scrutiny can only be considered when an idea is shared by like minds,you will start questioning those having this same thoughts. But there is nothing open for scrutiny in none denominational christianity,which means those claiming none denominational are shying away from SCRUTINY hence the arguments of Tatime is vindicated!
Of all the posts on this thread,the only none JW that's making real sense to me with his/her post is achorladey. This person keeps navigating all his/her posts towards the same point that no person or group of persons should try to discourage whoever feels like been addressed as a Christian,adding that the only thing needed is to assist such a person in areas he/she is found wanting in Christianity. Jesus also confirms that and JWs are at fault in this respect.
That is why i feel like asking achorladey few questions to learn from him how all Christians could reunite as one as in Unification! But the rest of you are just giving the JWs the upper hand as many of you posts comments depicting envy which could only mean that they are the group Jesus prayed for. READ John chp 17 but pay rapt attention more on verse 14~16. Good morning Sir!

Did bible ever say joining any unique group will lead to everlasting life?

Calling out a publishing company that says you will be destroyed for not joining them isn't envy. I have my voice and they have theirs. Stop trying to justify non biblical doctrines. People like you said it was envy when people called out Jim Jones of peoples temple.

Your colleague should tell us who the OUR is in that verse since we don't know. Simple.

Janosky:


Kolo Pharisee dey mock God's word.
**Rev14:1-4, v3 says "the 144,000 who have been bought from the earth"
v4 says 144,000 "were bought from among mankind"
Note: these verses NEVER said the 144,000 were natural Jews or only fleshly descendants of Abraham.

**
Rev 7:4-8 says 144,000 were sealed out of the tribes of Israel:
" Judah Reuben Gad Asher Naphtali Manasseh Simeon Levi Issachar Zebulun Joseph Benjamin"

If you studied the Bible well, you would know that those in Rev7:4-8 were not the 12 tribes of natural Israel.

## * Numbers1:4-16 listed the 12 tribes of Israel, the tribes of Levi & Joseph no dey among natural Israel, the natural Israelite tribes of Ephraim & Dan was omitted in Rev7:4-.
*** Proof that 144,000 is NOT natural Jews , but spiritual Israel.
***
*" the heirs with reference to a promise" of heavenly rulership with Jesus are "neither Jew nor Greek" in the flesh (Gal3:26-29) but "bought from among mankind" (Rev14:1-4), adopted as spiritual sons of God and "joint heirs with Christ" Romans 8:15-17

***
Jehovah's word the holy Bible is consistent but because you be Kolo Pharisee wey dey form Christian,"deadlytruth" without sense, you come here & argue blindly.

So natural Jews are not part of mankind hence the belief that the declaration that "the144,000 are taken from mankind" can't mean they are natural Israelites? You mean those 8 unstable New Yorkers taught you that Israelites are not a subset of mankind?

Even if the listed tribes are not the original twelve, does it change the fact that those of Levi and Joseph are Isreaelite tribes all the same? Did that verse in Revelation say anything about originality or otherwise of the tribes mentioned there in? Are you trying to speak where the Bible is quiet? Or have your 8 manipulation experts taught you that the tribes of Joseph and Levi have become gentile tribes on account of not being mentioned in Numbers? And mind you that the use of the word "tribe" in Israel later came to depart in meaning from the patriarchal idea premised on the twelve sons of Jacob as evidenced in the Numbers 1:14-16 you referenced. So why should it be a course for worry that the tribes listed in Revelations do not exactly conform to the sons of Jacob?
And the greatest and most amusing irony of all your inconsistencies and self contradictions is in the fact that you believe that the tribes mentioned there are not to be taken in the literal sense but believe that the 144,000 premised on that very verse should be taken literally. Can't you see you are confused? You either chose literal interpretation or figurative one. It smacks of duplicity and heretic mindset to mix it up just because you want to sell a preconceived doctrine.