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Janosky:
I have consistently brought solid scriptural evidence & where need be, valid authentic sources where any one can check & verify whatever I posted here.
Unlike copy copy thief thief of unverifiable "it is written by a Christian (?)" plagiarist.
Lying non denominational Pharisee worshipper of pagan triune deity dey form Christian.
Only lying Pharisees condemn, twist & deny the words in their copy of the Bible & misquote John 8:44 to every post that knock out their Trinity scam.

Au revoir.

johnw47:
oh duh max, you could have said you are a christian, if you truly are one


max, you don't appear to be the sharpest tool in the shed
your first post to me was an insult



however i replied curtiously, i am used to replying to fools

and although cartoons speak better and are more confident than me
you proceed to want my knowledge on non denominational, and you wanted me to enlighten you and give you insight etc. etc., ha ha


and by the way max, some of those more recent cartoons that speak better and are more confident than me, i wrote, smile



what nonsense

in future max consider chatting with lying false jw's tatime
he know all about nonsense and confusion

johnw47:
oh duh max, you could have said you are a christian, if you truly are one


max, you don't appear to be the sharpest tool in the shed
your first post to me was an insult



however i replied curtiously, i am used to replying to fools

and although cartoons speak better and are more confident than me
you proceed to want my knowledge on non denominational, and you wanted me to enlighten you and give you insight etc. etc., ha ha


and by the way max, some of those more recent cartoons that speak better and are more confident than me, i wrote, smile



what nonsense

in future max consider chatting with lying false jw's tatime
he know all about nonsense and confusion

Maximus69:
What you and your friends asserts has been demoralised by your own posts and attitudes. Unlike Tatime who has been persistent with the GROUP thing,you and your folks have displayed the very opposite of your claim!
Undoubtedly your question doesn't implies someone just claiming Christian because JWs claims to be Christians and you keep calling them "Children of Satan",brocab also said "demons believe in Jesus" and olaadegbu who remained strongly attached to deeperlife has condemned Catholicism{the first ever religion known globally as Christians}
So the none denominationals has no valid criteria as in pedigree to be regarded as true Christians. What i've been able to deduce from the attitude of all commentators on this thread is that "there must be some carefully documented form of standards to distinguish true christians from false" Please John, to be honest the none denominational idea has lost the battle in this thread if we're to go by the thoughts and posts of you and your colleagues!

Maximus69:
cartoons are just unreal drawings like superman and others,all what those comic stories depicts aren't real. If Jesus is real but he is no more around today in the flesh,to impress this fact in the minds of people you his followers shouldn't rely on cartoon to do the talking. You are real i believe but Jesus is not visible to the public,not talking nor typing on Nairaland,all we know about Jesus is just what books say. So it makes no practical sense if those who are effectively talking for him are also found in comic books(cartoons). Hence my conclusion in the last post 'if Jesus is real'. Good morning!

Maximus69:
What you and your friends asserts has been demoralised by your own posts and attitudes. Unlike Tatime who has been persistent with the GROUP thing,you and your folks have displayed the very opposite of your claim!
Undoubtedly your question doesn't implies someone just claiming Christian because JWs claims to be Christians and you keep calling them "Children of Satan",brocab also said "demons believe in Jesus" and olaadegbu who remained strongly attached to deeperlife has condemned Catholicism{the first ever religion known globally as Christians}
So the none denominationals has no valid criteria as in pedigree to be regarded as true Christians. What i've been able to deduce from the attitude of all commentators on this thread is that "there must be some carefully documented form of standards to distinguish true christians from false" Please John, to be honest the none denominational idea has lost the battle in this thread if we're to go by the thoughts and posts of you and your colleagues!

Maximus69:
cartoons are just unreal drawings like superman and others,all what those comic stories depicts aren't real. If Jesus is real but he is no more around today in the flesh,to impress this fact in the minds of people you his followers shouldn't rely on cartoon to do the talking. You are real i believe but Jesus is not visible to the public,not talking nor typing on Nairaland,all we know about Jesus is just what books say. So it makes no practical sense if those who are effectively talking for him are also found in comic books(cartoons). Hence my conclusion in the last post 'if Jesus is real'. Good morning!

Maximus69:
What you and your friends asserts has been demoralised by your own posts and attitudes. Unlike Tatime who has been persistent with the GROUP thing,you and your folks have displayed the very opposite of your claim!
Undoubtedly your question doesn't implies someone just claiming Christian because JWs claims to be Christians and 1. you keep calling them "Children of Satan",2. brocab also said "demons believe in Jesus" 3. and olaadegbu who remained strongly attached to deeperlife has condemned Catholicism{the first ever religion known globally as Christians}
So the none denominationals has no valid criteria as in pedigree to be regarded as true Christians. 4. What i've been able to deduce from the attitude of all commentators on this thread is that "there must be some carefully documented form of standards to distinguish true christians from false" Please John, to be honest the none denominational idea has lost the battle in this thread if we're to go by the thoughts and posts of you and your colleagues!

Maximus69:
Hmmmmmmmm
Since demons also believes in Jesus and tremble,does that mean those claiming Christians or believers in Jesus are all worshipers of demons? Or what can be the tenets that will help us to know those truthfully following Jesus?
Now i'm beginning to see reasons with Tatime's argument. If Jesus is real and he surely have followers,there should be works or fruits that could help us identify them despite their present imperfect human conditions! Unless if Jesus is fake.

Janosky:
Johnw lying Pharisee & twister who hates God's truth.


##Matt1:23 this Johnw lying Pharisee inferred that virgin Mary gave birth to God. (alu mere)!

johnw47:
mary is not the mother of God
the Word Jesus created all that is created long before mary existed

johnw47:
Jesus was begotten by Father, mary gave birth to flesh, the Son of God

johnw47:
truly mary is not the mother of God
God does not have a mother

did mary give birth to God, NO, mary gave birth to the man Jesus, God is not flesh but Spirit

johnw47:
mary isn't the mother of God
mary is the mother of the Son of God(flesh)
Jesus Spirit-the Word of God is God, john 1:1, and truly mary didn't give birth to the Word of God(Spirit)
who created everything that exists, long before mary herself was born

johnw47:
once again, mary gave birth to Jesus flesh-the son of God, and not to His Spirit-the Word of God
who is eternal and created everything that was created,

johnw47:
which part of Jesus is God, john 1:1, His flesh that mary gave birth to
or His Spirit that created all that is created

OLAADEGBU:
It is true that this thread is not about being denominational or not, neither is it about winning an argument it is about learning how to become a Christian. If you truly want to know how to become a Christian then conscientiously answer the following questions and see whether you are good enough to meet God's standards because there are consequences if you do not.

Have I always loved God my Creator with all my heart, mind, soul and strength?  ____YES  ___NO 
Have I made a god in my own image? a god to suit myself?  ____YES  ___NO 
Have I ever used God's name in vain?   ____YES  ___NO
Have I kept the Sabbath holy?  ____YES  ___NO 
Have I always honoured my parents implicitly?  ____YES  ___NO 
Have I murdered (God considers hatred as murder)?  ____YES  ___NO 
Have I committed adultery (including premarital sex and lust)?  ____YES  ___NO 
Have I stolen (the value is irrelevant)?  ____YES  ___NO 
Have I lied (including fibs and these questions)?  ____YES  ___NO 
Have I coveted (been greedy or materialistic)?  ____YES  ___NO 

If you have even broken one Law, then you have sinned against God and therefore will "surely die," for the "wages of sin is death." 

We are all guilty of breaking the Commandments.  Listen to the voice of your conscience, and let it remind you of some of the sins of the past.  We are not perfect as we are commanded to be (Matthew 5:48), neither is our heart pure.  On Judgment Day our transgressions will be the evidence of our shame.  Think of it: God has seen every sin we have ever committed.  We share our thought-life with Him.

We are guilty of violating His Law a multitude of times, yet if we repent, God can forgive us because Jesus stepped into the courtroom 2,000 years ago and paid the fine for us.  His death on the cross satisfied the Law we so blatantly transgressed, and at the same time demonstrated how much God loves us —

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." 

His shed blood on the cross can make you clean in the sight of a holy God, as though you have never sinned.

God doesn't want you to go to Hell.  Please, forget your arguments, repent and put your trust in Jesus and be saved from God's wrath.  Make Psalm 51 your prayer, then read your Bible daily and always obey what you read; God will never let you down.

Have you kept the Ten Commandments? This is what someone would be like if he kept the moral Law—he would always love God with "all of his heart, mind, soul, and strength," and love his neighbour as much as he has loved himself. He has never made a god to suit himself (either with his hands or in his mind). He has always given God's name reverence, kept the Sabbath holy, honoured his parents implicitly, and never once has he been "angry without cause." He has never hated anyone, had lust in his heart, or had illicit sex. He has never stolen even a paper clip or ballpoint pen, or told as much as a "white" lie, and not once desired anything that belongs to someone else. He is and always has been "pure in heart," perfect in thought, word, and deed.

The truth is, we are not like that. We have all "sinned" many times, and therefore we have stored up God's wrath, which will be revealed on Judgment Day. The proof that we have sinned will be our death, and after death we must face God in judgment. Think of it—if He has seen our every thought, word, and deed, and if He is going to bring all our sins out as evidence of our guilt on the Day of Judgment, we will all be found to be guilty. Our conscience has shown us right from wrong; we will be without excuse. God will give us justice, and Hell will be the place of our eternal punishment. "For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known." That's why you need the Saviour. See www.needGod. com for details.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/official.Ray.Comfort 4 January 2014 ·

johnw47:
brocab, this false jw tatime post to you is a copy and paste of a post he did to me long ago
i don't know who "Deeperlife" "Daddy GO Kumuyi" and "Daddy Freeze" is

do you know what this deluded tatime is talking about
or is he just being his usual false accusing self, like his daddy

is Daddy Freeze one of your folks, or is it just continued lying from cannot stop lying false jw tatime


i do know that in the end times God will send non believers great delusion
that they will believe a lie, who loved not the truth,

and we know that is true of false jw's

Maximus69:
(1)Are you saying christians are still under the Mosaic laws,or part of the Mosaic laws?
(2)What day is the Sabbath according to the Mosaic law,Sunday or Saturday?
(3)What is the correct interpretation of Roman 10:1-4
(4)What was apostle Paul telling the Galatians at 3:19-25?

Maximus69:
(1)Are you saying christians are still under the Mosaic laws,or part of the Mosaic laws?

Maximus69:
(2)What day is the Sabbath according to the Mosaic law,Sunday or Saturday?

Maximus69:
(3)What is the correct interpretation of Roman 10:1-4

Maximus69:
(4)What was apostle Paul telling the Galatians at 3:19-25?

OLAADEGBU:
No.



Neither. Any day will do as long as you can take a day out to recharge your batteries. (Colossians 2:16; Mark 2:27; Romans 14:5-10).



Paul is saying that we don't have to suffer the pain of religious works. Christ's blood can cleanse the conscience from the dead works of religion. When you use your conscience to answer the question of the Moral Law above and find yourself short of the glory of God then that will chase you to the Cross of Calvary where the blood of Jesus Christ will cleanse your dead conscience from the dead works of religion where our Lord Jesus took our punishment upon Himself and He is the only One who can save us from the pain of sin and death (Acts 4:12; John 14:6).



When you answer the questions of the Moral law I posted above I will then answer you.

Maximus69:
Good evening my brother,how is work toady?
I'm just returning from work due to the rainy day.
Four questions in all,please don't mind my inquiries because i'm eager to know many things but it's only JWs that's been attending to my questions always.

Maximus69:
So to the first question you answered 'NO' that means Christians have nothing to do with any laws that faithful Jews formerly kept till the coming of Christ.

Maximus69:
That leads to the second question,you specifically mentioned 'Sabbath' in your last post and regarding the chosen day that law wasn't optional. Therefore there will be contradictions among those keeping the Sabbath as some will insist on Saturday which the Scriptures specifically emphasized.

Maximus69:
Your response towards the third question is confusing a bit! I believed that Dead works could be likened to works targeted at pleasing personal views or compliance to the Mosaic laws that the Jews cherished much more than whatever Jesus has to say. But can we also say someone who keeps the law of Christ is guilty of dead works?

Maximus69:
But the fourth question you ommited because of what question? I can't find any question addressed to me in your post!

brocab:
No" his dreaming" with name like these-I believe before Tatime existed these were his user names from the past-I don't know them-he thinks I designed Cartoons, about the JW's, but I do think putting these on page was a great idea-I like reading them, they are so true. I haven't been spending time with them bro, they haven't a clue, which way is Up..

johnw47:
peace is in christians, confusion is in the false jw's
1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

OLAADEGBU:
Fire on.



Has your elementary education got anything to do with the knowledge or qualifications you've acquired today?



Have you read the bible references I suggested?



That is the reason I want to engage your conscience to answer those questions.



Have you ever lied?

Maximus69:
{1} Learning is continuous process i guess,so aluta continua!

Maximus69:
{2} Whenever i'm in a discuss with anyone quoting the scriptures,i always read both quoted and sighted ones.

Maximus69:
{3} Don't engage me yet because my mind is still compounded with JWs interpretations unless you want to here what they've convinced me to believe.

Maximus69:
{4} Yes! Countless times before now!

Maximus69:
Please how do you explain the word 'image' that God condemns in worship at Exodus 20?
I'm asking because the Bible said God made man in his own image,Paul told the Corinthians that Jesus is the 'image' of God but we're not to make use of image in worship. So is it totally forbidden to use images or we should be selective?
Catholics uses so many images in there worship but one that caught my attention is the cross and it has been accepted by all other christians. So is the cross an exemption from the forbidden images or all images are the same?
Good morning!

OLAADEGBU:
The more reason we cannot discountenance the Moral Law of God that chases us to the Cross of Calvary.



Good.



That is why I intend to by-pass your mind and engage your conscience that cannot be brainwashed but is candid with the truth.



That is your conscience talking, it cannot deceive you.



God told us in Exodus 20:4

"You shall not make for yourself any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth"

It means that you should not bow down to anything but God. This is not saying that we should not have pictures or statues, in general, it is only saying that we should not replace the worship of God with the worship of His creations or some created things in God's created world. The moment we represent God with the worship of images of anyone in heaven or on earth or even under the earth we are beginning to thread on forbidden and blasphemous grounds. This is why the use of statues, painting of Christ, the Cross, Mary, Angels in churches, homes as objects of "veneration" is clearly forbidden. Good day.

Janosky:
Johnw lying Pharisees, twister & spiritual fraudster doing what he knows best- Lie ,twist & condemn what is written in his own copy of the holy Bible.

.**"Lord Jehovah created me at the beginning of his creation and from before all of his works"
*v27 "When he established the heavens, I was there..."
Prov8:22

**John 5:26 " For as the Father has life in himself, so he has GRANTED the son to have life in himself".
** For with you ( Jehovah) is the fountain of life" Ps36:9.
Jehovah is the Source /Fountain of life.

Jesus is the wisdom of God ( Matt23:34,Luke 11:49,1Cor1:24) personified as a living person, a woman ,the wisdom (in Proverbs because in Hebrew language, 'Wisdom' is a feminine noun & grammatically feminine, this has nothing to do with actual biological gender).
But English is different. Nouns are not grammatically categorized by gender.

johnw47:
it is not: "Lord Jehovah created me at the beginning of his creation and from before all of his works"

how could God create the Word before all His works, when all His works were done through the Word Jesus, oh duh duh duh
nothing was created that Father didn't create through Jesus
Joh 1:3 


Father beget Son, Son is the same Spirit as Father, Father and son is Jehovah God:

johnw47:
what a friend christians have in Jesus

brocab:
No" his dreaming" with name like these-I believe before Tatime existed these were his user names from the past-I don't know them-he thinks I designed Cartoons, about the JW's, but I do think putting these on page was a great idea-I like reading them, they are so true. I haven't been spending time with them bro, they haven't a clue, which way is Up..

Janosky:
Johnw lying Pharisee ,the most talented LIAR on NL & Uncrowned Nobel Laureate for Falsehood, dey open him Trinity eyes & false hooded mouth dey lie & change the decree of Yahweh in Pro8:22,27 & Jesus' confessional statement in John 5;26 "The Father Jehovah granted life to Jesus & every other living being .

** At least, make you fear Yahweh nau, abi you done forget "don't add & don't subtract" decree of Yahweh in Pro30:6 & Rev22:18,19?

*** Who did Jehovah " created at the beginning of his creation from before all of his works" ?
Who is the created being that was there when Jehovah " established the heavens"?

*** @Rev 3:14, who calls himself "the beginning of the creation by God"?

***@ Rev3:21 , who said " I conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne"?
Where did he make the above statement ,in heaven or earth?

** Spiritual fraudster & lying Pharisee Johnw47, what's the meaning of 'beget'? how did the "Father beget Son"?

Janosky:
Your deceptive cartoon is proof that you, Johnw47 lying Pharisee is not a friend of Jesus, you don't even know him!
Exponent of "Jesus is Jehovah" fraud, you can NEVER be your father & it is spiritually criminal to claim he did it.

*** "Blessed be the God and Father of our lord Jesus Christ.."

**" ... I bend my knees to the Father, to whom every family in heaven and on earth OWES its name" Eph1:3. Eph 3:14,15.

Johnw get special talent & PhD for twisting scriptures

" For this very reason, God exalted him & gave him a name that is above every other name,so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend...."

** Shebi Una see am?
Jehovah the God and Father of our lord Jesus Christ gave Jesus a name above every other name.
Oba of Lagos go exalt you & your own name/ position go pass the Oba own?

***These Pharisees are incredibly foolish & without sense , that's Trinity scam at work.

Maximus69:
So in a nutshell,Cross is also forbidden as a symbol that is forbidden since most churches are using it during worship today,right?
Many just keep the statue of cross in their churches but since most people have become accustomed to the cross,all eyes and minds are fixed on the statue. So can we conclude that they are not Christians?

Janosky:
Johnw lying Pharisee ,the most talented LIAR on NL & Uncrowned Nobel Laureate for Falsehood, dey open him Trinity eyes & false hooded mouth dey lie & change the decree of Yahweh in Pro8:22,27 & Jesus' confessional statement in John 5;26 "The Father Jehovah granted life to Jesus & every other living being .

** At least, make you fear Yahweh nau, abi you done forget "don't add & don't subtract" decree of Yahweh in Pro30:6 & Rev22:18,19?

*** Who did Jehovah " created at the beginning of his creation from before all of his works" ?
Who is the created being that was there when Jehovah " established the heavens"?

*** @Rev 3:14, who calls himself "the beginning of the creation by God"?

***@ Rev3:21 , who said " I conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne"?
Where did he make the above statement ,in heaven or earth?

** Spiritual fraudster & lying Pharisee Johnw47, what's the meaning of 'beget'? how did the "Father beget Son"?

Janosky:
Spiritual fraudster, Jesus, angels or Adam, who was created first ?

Janosky: Prov8:22,27 who did Jehovah "created at the beginning of his creation? Who was there when Jehovah "established the heavens"?

Janosky: ** Yahweh said "let us make man..." that's Yahweh's further proof that your so called "the father and the word is two persons in one spirit" is a cheap FRAUD.

Janosky: Crooked twister, one spirit can be NEVER be "us" !!
Senseless crook says "us" means one spirit shared by two persons (alu mere !). Lol
Go & attempt the Jamb questions above, your trinity scam done scatter & fall yakata