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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by asalimpo(m): 3:56pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
TATIME:begone then. Suck on d drivel your cult feeds you. But those that will learn and see d light will see. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 4:03pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
TATIME:Amen! See you at Daluwon,i'm out of here too! |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by asalimpo(m): 4:03pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
Barristter07:and you dense thinking doesnt reveal to you that spirits have all attributes of the flesh? God is a spirit yet he: sees,talks,sits on a throne,laughs etc. Angels eat-manna was angel food. But angels are spirits? All these proven by the bible. Ok,go ahead,bypass the bible and throw a jab trying to say the bible doesnt Mean what it says! 2 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 4:05pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
asalimpo:Did you just say Light? Well it's just a joke right? Hmmm farewell! 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 4:07pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
I just wished you could stand up for yourselves and study the Word of God, learn about the truth man"-you haven't a clue about which way is up" a lair is a JW who thinks himself to be self righteous 'one that doesn't spend time studying the scriptures-but points their finger-like he is somebody 'when he is nobody! ""As the Hebrew word "Sheol" spoke of the state, condition, or place of the dead in the Old Testament, the same is true in the New Testament with the Greek word "Hades." The word Hades has a number of different meanings in the New Testament. 1. The Grave - The Place Of Bodily Decay 2. The Place Of The Punishment For The Wicked 3. Possibly As A General Term For The Unseen Realm Of The Dead Hades is always connected with death, never with life. The context will determine its meaning. It does not refer specifically, or exclusively, to the place of punishment. Like Sheol, it is an intermediate place - it never refers to the place of final punishment. It was not until the time of Christ that conditions in the afterlife were more fully revealed. The Bible says. {2 Timothy 1:10} But it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel! The New Testament says the following about Hades. 1. The Grave - The Place Of Bodily Decay Hades is the place of bodily decay. Peter said the following about the death of Jesus. {Acts 2:29-31} "Fellow Israelites, I may say to you confidently of our ancestor David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. Since he was a prophet, he knew that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would put one of his descendants on his throne. Foreseeing this, David spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, saying, 'He was not abandoned to Hades, nor did His flesh experience corruption' The grave would have no victory over the Messiah. 2. Place Of Punishment For Wicked Hades is a place of temporary punishment of the unrighteous dead. Jesus told the story of the rich man and Lazarus. {Luke 16:23-26} In Hades, where he [the rich man] was being tormented, he looked up and saw Abraham far away with Lazarus by his side. He called out, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am in agony in these flames.' But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that during your lifetime you received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner evil things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in agony. Besides all this, between you and us a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who might want to pass from here to you cannot do so, and no one can cross from there to us' {Matthew 11:23} And you, Capernaum, will you be exalted to heaven? No, you will be brought down to Hades. For if the mighty deeds done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day 3. Place For Righteous Dead? There is some question as to whether Lazarus and Abraham were in Hades or in heaven. If they were in Hades, they were in a place that was separated from the unrighteous dead. Hades Opposes Christ's Church Hades is sometimes used of the powers of death. Jesus said that the forces of Hades would not stop the spread of His gospel. {Matthew 16:18} And I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.. In this context, Hades speaks of the realm of the dead -or the grave. Distinguished From Death In the Book of Revelation, Hades is distinguished from death. {Revelation 6:8} There was a pale green horse! Its rider's name was Death, and Hades followed with him; they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, famine, and pestilence, and by the wild animals of the earth Hades Will Be Destroyed--Hades is not a permanent place. It will cease to exist at some future time. {Revelation 20:13,14} The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them . . . Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire , Because Hades will someday be destroyed, it is not to be seen as the ultimate abode of the unbelieving dead. Jesus Has The Key {Revelation 1:18} Jesus Himself has the keys to death and Hades. I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. . . And I have the keys of Hades and Death.. He has conquered death and the grave. Only Unbelieving Dead {2 Corinthians 5:8} Hades is now a place for the unbelieving dead. The righteous go to be with the Lord when they die, Paul wrote. Yes, we do have confidence, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord! Hades, like its Old Testament counterpart Sheol, refers to a number of different things. Sometimes it refers to the grave, the place where the dead reside. It also refers to the place where the wicked suffer after death. It may also be a general term for the unseen realm of the dead, but this is not clear. It is never used of final destination of anyone, righteous or unrighteous. Hades will someday end when it is thrown into the lake of fire. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then we may ask ourselves Where is hell? Since we have already studied about Hades-We don’t know the specific location of where hell is except that it’s sometimes referred to as being “down,” but we do know that it’s a place of weeping and gnashing of teeth (signifying eternal regret), of outer darkness, and is permanent. You wouldn’t wish that on your worst enemy. It’s so terrible that it’s beyond description and it’s beyond comprehension, and only those that are there can know what such torment feels like. When hell is mentioned, it is often associated with fire, so hell and the lake of fire seem to be referring to the same place. Jesus warned His listeners about the reality of hell and the permanent state of being there as He said it is “where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.’ For everyone will be salted with fire” {Mark 9:48-49} Barristter07: |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 4:35pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
Some of us live next door to you, and what they see about you, isn't Christian-in most Churches they don't have Idolaters running for mare in their towns.. TATIME: |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 4:37pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 4:39pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 4:40pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
Try not to come to soon! Maximus69: |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 4:42pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 4:47pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
That's funny! Maximus69: 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 5:00pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
Maximus69:{Luke 2:45-50} So when they did not find Him, they returned to Jerusalem, seeking Him. Now so it was that after three days they found Him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers, both listening to them and asking them questions. And all who heard Him were astonished at His understanding and answers. So when they saw Him, they were amazed; and His mother said to Him, “Son, why have You done this to us? Look, Your father and I have sought You anxiously.” And He said to them, “Why did you seek Me? Did you not know that I must be about My Father’s business?” But they did not understand the statement which He spoke to them. And who was Jesus's Father, it deafeningly wasn't the carpenter Jesus preached about, do you Maximus understand anything about when Jesus began His ministry! And yet it is written in the scriptures as clear as it sounds. Maximus69: |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Barristter07: 5:01pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
asalimpo: Spirit does not HAVE FLESH . Tongue is Flesh, How come the rich man still possess his Fleshly tongues if he was spirit ? 2 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 5:03pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
That's funny? Barristter07: |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 5:13pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
If Hell wasn't real-then this proves you don't believe in Jesus-because it was Jesus who preached Hell just as much as He did Heaven, but you don't believe you will be in either of them! Barristter07: |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by asalimpo(m): 7:12pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
Barristter07:Think bf reply. This reply was unnecessray. See previous reply which u quoted. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by asalimpo(m): 7:24pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
Barristter07:if hell is the physical grave, how could the richman lookup and see! He was physically dead. 2) where did the fire come from -graves have no fire? 3) how come lazarus n abraham were there at a distance? Impossible for one confined in grave space? How come the beggar though also dead was alive? Then it was not the beggar's body that was alive. What did the angel carry into Abraham's bossom? The beggar's corpse? This cant b since the beggar was dead but the beggar in Abraham's bossom was alive? How come? There. I have spelled it out logically for you- please dont jump and say something stupid again like,it was d richman's flesh. The richman was physically dead!! |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 7:37pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
asalimpo:Just watch he will tell you jesus Christ didn't mean what he said literally. He will tell you jesus Christ was talking figuratively. What do you expect from people who say Jesus Christ resurrected as a spirit in another humans body? |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Barristter07: 8:18pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
asalimpo: The beggar wasnt buried . point no 1 . his entire body was carried off, dip his fingers in WATER . physical water, physical touch. He was there Bodily. Rich man still have his Fleshly tongue, he was there Bodily. To whose Bossom was Abel carried since Abraham wasnt yet born that time ? 2 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by asalimpo(m): 9:00pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
Barristter07:let's take it one by one. The richman died nd was buried. The beggar died also. So physically both were dead. What did the angel carry? The dead beggar? 2) The dead richman was in a grave,how did fire get into grave? 3) how did did he ,in the grave become alive ? 4) how did the corpse of the beggar become alive ? 5) how did abraham's corpse become alive? Did the angel take the corpse of the beggar to abraham's grave then move abraham's grave to the richman's grave? 6) since it was a common grave, why didnt the dead-yet-alive richman get up and leave the grave? 7) how big was the grave that it seemed to span a great expanse so that the richman had to look up! if the richman died yet was physcally alive? Then how did he become physically alive again? 9) if lazarus died but became physcally alive again! How did he become so? 10) if they both died but yet became alive, when did they then really die? 11) if the richman became alive a second time did he die a second time and reburied a second time? 12) if the angel carried corpse of the beggar, why arent angels snatching corpses of righteous dead people today? 13) what kind of grave has such great expanse that a person cant cross a great gulf to get to the other side? 14) if the richman was dead yet became alive after he was buried, then why doesnt this happen that all ppl dead instantly become alive after burial? Please go over each one and answer one by one. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Barristter07: 9:18pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
asalimpo: #Laughter, . In a parable, Camel can pass through the needles eye. Because its not to be taken as its related. Does that answer your questions of fire in grave and others. ? Parable. So your questions are dead on arrival. SINCE your position is that its REAL. Please address the following question - If righteous people are carried to Abraham Bossom, to whose Bossom was Noah Carried ? E1# - Why did the rich man possess human Body parts like Tongue ? 2 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by asalimpo(m): 9:59pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
Barristter07:your tactics is always to dodge a question and ask a counter question. Go over that list i made. You say the richman talking to abraham was bodily alive right? And he was in the grave doing the whole drama! So explain. Go over the list address the points one by one, use scriptures to prove ur point or u buzz off. If u want to b evasive,buzz off. 2 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 11:05pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
Maximus69: lying false jw max Jesus said a spirit doesn't have flesh and bones as you see i have but of course you false jw max disagree with the Lord Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. you false jw's are such anti christs 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 9:22am On Mar 20, 2019 |
johnw47: Stupid idiotic post from johnw lying Pharisee twisting God's word. *** Gen19:1-3 v1 "It was evening when the two angels came to Sodom. Lot was sitting at Sodom's gate. Seeing them Lot rose up to meet them and bowed to the ground v3 Lot entreated them and urged them greatly until they yielded and entered his house. And he made dinner and had unleavened bread which he baked and they ate" .The spirits hath not flesh and bones and ate unleavened bread and had drinks with Lot. Go and quarrel with Peter the eye witness of Jesus resurrection & Paul who exposed your satanic doctrines 1peter3:18. Acts3:12-15 1cor15:42-47 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Barristter07: 9:50am On Mar 20, 2019 |
asalimpo: Calm your head down, Why Am I reasoning the story with you ? If I believe the story is an actual event will I ? So the point is your questions are INVALIDATED because those questions are the reasons I Do not see the story as real . fire don't burn in the grave. Dead people do not go to Abraham bosom . so the story is a PARABLE But you asalimpo said the story is REAL . then you need to defend Any absurdity it brings. As evidence by his possession of his Tongue, Why is the rich man Bodily ? To whose bosom did Noah go since Abraham wasn't born when he died ? 2 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 10:50am On Mar 20, 2019 |
Hi Tatime! Please Sir, means of identification! ¤ Fair and 5ft:9 with Trivina[wife] almost same height. ¤ White with red touches. RV' ¤ Toyota Camry 2008md Wine. RV' So what meat? Cow,goat,pork or sea food Sir? |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 11:33am On Mar 20, 2019 |
Maximus69:Naaaaaaaaaaaa! I'm your host man! No way are you coming with any of such except of course your wife! Any one on the platform facing the auditorium will see me seated at the left hand side,extreme end. But if you arrive before 7:30am let's meet at the car park. *5ft:4, brown skin,with Ruth. *mint green with red cap and shoes. *Toyota Matrix navy blue. So which do you prefer? Cow,goat,pork or sea food? I remember yours is Hennekeines when talking about choice of drinks but what about Trivina? 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 11:50am On Mar 20, 2019 |
TATIME:Hmmm but i made the first move Sir! So it's my take! I love sea foods so we'll come with assorted but i don't take beer far away from home,let's make it Eva fresh wine Sir. AFTER THE PROGRAM! I'll try to be there earlier than 7:30,see you then! 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 12:20pm On Mar 20, 2019 |
Maximus69:My friend this is not one of your military service stuff! You're dealing with your SENIOR brother in the TRUTH,even if you're older in age i'm still older than you in the system so you listen to me! Alright i'll also come with goat meat too then we can have enough and even share with friends around. I love swallow so it's Poundo Yam with vegetables! There is one thing you must know about Jehovah's organization! Jehovah is a God that loves EQUITY mind you not EQUALITY! That's the first criteria of coming to know him,whoever has no interest in equity can never appreciate Jehovah's arrangement! The world is after equality that's why they're always at logger heads and having conflicts here and there but in Jehovah's organization,we're to imitate Jehovah in focusing on equity! 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 1:22pm On Mar 20, 2019 |
TATIME:Hmmm i think that's not too difficult to understand because my conductor taught me you people make voluntary contributions to support the organizational arrangements in order that every member of the organization can get a copy of each printed publication. When i noticed the differences in kingdom halls found in various locations i also question him and he said the society builds what each community can cope with not something that's going to cause so much attraction and put worshipers at risk of bandits, whereas others will build something thats more than the standard of the local buildings then hire security guards. Your NWT alone would have been too costly for most African brothers if not because of that system so i fully grasp the equity side of it. Please is that why Jesus said he will deny many for being workers of iniquity? And are you saying there are no such ones in your midst? 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 1:35pm On Mar 20, 2019 |
asalimpo: "Manna was angel food" for your dream. How many plates did you eat with them? asalimpo lying Pharisee ! Lol |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 1:52pm On Mar 20, 2019 |
brocab:Wayo write up no wonder the wayo man wey copy am no wan give credit to the original author If u actually studied the Bible you know that Gehenna is the correct word instead of hell at Mark9:48-49 |
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