Janosky:


To write your own Bible dey hungry you
keep lying and deceive your self with John 8:44&.2cor4:4.etc
Na your way

pharisee liar deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ
truly, they describe you false jw's exactly:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

^^^ of course you have been so blindeed that you cannot even see it

i said i am non denominational and false jw's starting attacking non denominationalism

i said i am aged and false jw's started using sarcasm about me being elderly

what did Jesus say about that:

Mat 7:6  "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces. 

fortunately for me false jw's couldn't tear paper to peices

Maximus69:
Hmmm evidence upon evidence Tatime!
You need not tell me that,because the very first time i saw this picture on Facebook i was touched to the marrow!
He is not white as one of the members of the GB yet look at him topping the pictures of one of the most popular brochure of the worldwide organization! He will be the happiest man seeing his picture on top of that brochure. Certainly he has gotten what many looking for worldly fame can never have!
Truly,there is equity in your midst!

If are able to grasp this,blessed are you Mr Maximus bacause now you'll be able to stand on your feet for EQUITY and Jesus will certainly recognise you as His own!
He said those who finds it difficult to stand for EQUITY will be condemned! @ Matthew 7:23 Jesus said "then i will reply them saying 'depart from me! i never knew you,you workers of INIQUITY'"
So keep you mental powers at alert Maximus,and you'll never need to fear any thing! Philippians 4:7!

Janosky:


Brain scrubbed dim wit keeps lying on this thread.
Jehovah granted life to his son Jesus Christ and also granted life to you through Adam to your forebears in your family tree .

Only brain scrubbed dim wits are blissfully ignorant of the confirmed fact that "He who was manifest in the flesh" is authentic rendition of 1tim3:16.
https://biblehub.com/1_timothy/3-16

"Here, in the most ancient authorities, the word 'God' does not occur.
We must then literally translate the Greek of the most famous and trustworthy manuscript as follows:
He who was manifest in the flesh"

ok. The authors and translators of all the bible versions on the planet that say GOD suddenly couldnt get it right, until JW came along. Found the "ancient manuscripts", and found that learned scholars working independently just couldnt know the difference between HE and GOD! That's interesting. 100 bible versions render 1tim3v16 as GOD. So ... All of them got it wrong or your bigotry is keeping you from admitting that you are wrong?
Besides,it is blatantly grammertical incorrect to say 'He'. Using a pronoun without antecedent. The bibles u say corrupted passages,were translated by people who risked their lives to do so. At least the textus receptus line of bibles from which the kjv originates. So why would people die at stake to make the bible accessible to the common man,then pervert scriptures willfully,knowing the curses following such sins? Again, your claims are illogical.
Jesus is God.

ableguy:

Please stop quoting me thank you.
Enjoy your wisdom let me be in my shallow state, thanks.

Acting like a peeved kid. If you are too immature to engage in a debate,you exit gracefully. Keep ur putrid emotions in its bag. This isnt a place for kids. You wont b the first or last person to hav a different religious view from another person. And others hav done so without losing their heads and will continue to do so. So b mature. We have objective ways of debating issues regarding d bible.

Barristter07:


You know why your case is pathetic , you are arguing from silence. SHOW ME AN ANGEL possessing a TONGUE ?

The issue is not if angelic spirits can do things humans do, the issue is are they using the same Fleshly body structure ?

They don't have flesh, where did The rich man got a Tongue from ? Was his tongue resurrected ?



It tells me it's a parable. Of course, the dead don't know anything. So its not real . ( Ecc 9:5,10)

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If the story is so real to you, To whose bosom was Noah carried when he died , since Abraham wasn't yet born? [/highlight]

Your issue is that you struggle with logical reasoning. So u end stumbling on ur own tail. Reaching dumb conclusions. Remember the quote where you claimed that i said that souls die? I had to re explain it to you as if you r a primary school kid learning english for d first time.

Now,ur poor logical acumen is manifesting again. I will repeat my previous question to you. Dont evade it.

Do spirit beings have corresponding parts to human/fleshly beings? Do angels,spirits,have heads? Do they have eyes? Does God,a spirit, see? Does God,a spirit,laugh? Does God,a spirit,sit? Do angels,spirits,have hands?

this is the question.

Do angels have heads? But they are spirits?
Do they have hair?
Do they have feet?
In their heads do they hav eyes?
On their hands,do they have fingers?
As a spirit , do they have CORRESPONDING BODY PARTS TO HUMAN/FLESHLY BEINGS?
THIS is the question you contending with. Answer it.

Barristter07:


Without materializing , NO human can see an Angel. Human eyes can't behold their spirit glory . Paul got blind when a Spirit appeared to him

So all those instances, they materialized

Tell me if that rich man materialized too , pls do ?

Spirit have no flesh, tongue is flesh .

spirits have no heads. Head is flesh.

Barristter07:


Without materializing , NO human can see an Angel. Human eyes can't behold their spirit glory . Paul got blind when a Spirit appeared to him

So all those instances, they materialized

Tell me if that rich man materialized too , pls do ?

Spirit have no flesh, tongue is flesh .

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.


I guess all the things listed here are fleshy parts too.

Barristter07:


God is INVISIBLE . says the scripture . any description you read of him Is a way of making humans understand him in their little ways . go and read up on anthropomorphism.


So back to this :

tongue - /tʌŋ/
noun
1. the FLESHLY muscular organ in the mouth of a mammal, used for tasting, licking, swallowing, and (in humans) articulating speech.

Backed by Jesus saying WHOLE BODY in hell . Mark 9;43 . and the rich man was in hell KJV

How can a spirit rich man have A Fleshly muscle called tongue if he wasn't bodily present ?

God is a spirit,hence invisible to the physical eye. So ur analogy is redundant.

Any description you see of Him is as He is- not a fabrication. God is wise and sound enough to tell us exactly how things are,in a way we can understand. He doesnt need to circumlocute.

Again,you are a victim of jw brain scrubbing.

They tell you,you cant understand God (lie), so if the bible says X about God ,it doesnt really mean X,(nonsense). So,you see ,you really cant take it literally (lie).
They're exceptions to this but even in the exceptions the bible itself is the key to proper interpretation.

Invisibility (to the human eye) - doesnt mean amorphousness/formlessness.

johnw47:
i said i am non denominational and false jw's starting attacking non denominationalism

i said i am aged and false jw's started using sarcasm about me being elderly

what did Jesus say about that:

Mat 7:6  "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces. 

fortunately for me false jw's couldn't tear paper to peices

When someone is aged there is so much to cherish and appreciate in them!
¤They're always calm in their approach towards all matters unlike the young and inexperience ones, this is why most intelligent individuals display some form of humility when dealing with the aged ones as there's much to learn from them!
¤They're always neutral when dealing with sensitive issues, because they don't want to be disrespected and by the end of the day finds out that such disrespect is justified due to their own fault of backing the wrong side!
¤They speak to everyone with deep respect in order not to be humiliated by some who have little or no regards for grey hair!
¤They hesitate in judging because they want to leave behind a legacy for recommendation!
¤They do have much restrain from abuses, curses, and supportive of any party during conflicts!
Well this is a faceless forum on social media,so nobody knows nor recognises the one commenting by posts. The only way to make people regard you is your own participation in the ongoing debate or argument.
Non denominational simply means you belong to Jesus and so you're neither a party to any denomination! Of course everyone should respect such ideology but when you are supportive of doctrines of some groups in opposition to some other groups then your stand as a non denominational believer will be called to question!
Matthew 7:6 you quoted could simply means 'don't argue with people who have no regards for spiritual things, otherwise they will debunk those valuables [God's priceless words of wisdom] in your face and turn to tear your[good spirit] into pieces'
As you keep quoting God's word and calling people names with abuses,curses and judgmentally accusing them is a sign that they've turn you to pieces already because the attributes you're supposed to display has been changed to that of a pagan. Truthfully speaking Sir your opponents have turn all those qualities mentioned @ Galatians 5:22,23 away from your body [that is if you ever had it in the first place] now you're totally naked with no Christlike virtues to cloth you with respect and dignity!

Barristter07:


God is INVISIBLE . says the scripture . any description you read of him Is a way of making humans understand him in their little ways . go and read up on anthropomorphism.


So back to this :

tongue - /tʌŋ/
noun
1. the FLESHLY muscular organ in the mouth of a mammal, used for tasting, licking, swallowing, and (in humans) articulating speech.

Backed by Jesus saying WHOLE BODY in hell . Mark 9;43 . and the rich man was in hell KJV

How can a spirit rich man have A Fleshly muscle called tongue if he wasn't bodily present ?

@barristter07
you quote mark9v43.
And if thy hand offend thee,cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed,than having two hands to go into HELL,into the fire that NEVER SHALL BE QUENCHED

V44: where their worm dieth not, and the FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED

v45 ... hell,into the fire that never shall be quenched:
v46 where their worm dieth not, and the FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED

sir,these verses may just b parables unh?
Cuz coincidentally,the richman died, and found himself in a hell that fit exactly the description Jesus gave here.

How dyu dudes read this and still come to the conclusion that THERE IS NO HELL!
#massive iron-sponge brain scrubbing.

Notice that kept repeating the warning about hell being eternal!

in your daftness,you say hell is the grave. Dumb retards. Do those verses fit the description of ANY GRAVE YOU KNOW- where the fire is never quenched and the worms never die out.

Barristter07:


You know why your case is pathetic , you are arguing from silence. SHOW ME AN ANGEL possessing a TONGUE ?

The issue is not if angelic spirits can do things humans do, the issue is are they using the same Fleshly body structure ?

They don't have flesh, where did The rich man got a Tongue from ? Was his tongue resurrected ?



It tells me it's a parable. Of course, the dead don't know anything. So its not real . ( Ecc 9:5,10)

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If the story is so real to you, To whose bosom was Noah carried when he died , since Abraham wasn't yet born? [/highlight]

and mark 9v43 is a PARABLE right. That hell Jesus described where the WORMS dont die,die fire never ceases that JESUS WARNED his listeners to AVOID is A parable?
Jesus was warning his throng of listeners to AVOID getting roasted by a parable! You see how daft your thinking goes!

It just so happened that the richman didnt heed the warning. Overate. Died and lo and behold- got roasted in a parabolic hell! The symbolic hell,just happened to have the same features as the other hell Jesus warned about. Complete with warmers (fire) and parch (thirst) and entertainmnt (torment)!

Dude- please switch on your senses. It's dark in there! The window of ur mind is papered with Watchtower literature. Tear them off so that you can see.

.

asalimpo:

@barristter07
you quote mark9v43.
And if thy hand offend thee,cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into HELL, into the fire that NEVER SHALL BE QUENCHED

V44: where their worm dieth not, and the FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED

v45 ... hell,into the fire that never shall be quenched:
v46 where their worm dieth not, and the FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED

sir,these verses may just b parables unh?
Cuz coincidentally,the richman died, and found himself in a hell that fit exactly the description Jesus gave here.

How dyu dudes read this and still come to the conclusion that THERE IS NO HELL!
#massive iron-sponge brain scrubbing.

Notice that kept repeating the warning about hell being eternal!

in your daftness,you say hell is the grave. Dumb retards. Do those verses fit the description of ANY GRAVE YOU KNOW- where the fire is never quenched and the worms never die out.

Why don't you preach the Red ? Why are people not going to hell with their TWO hands ?

asalimpo:

and mark 9v43 is a PARABLE right. That hell Jesus described where the WORMS dont die,die fire never ceases that JESUS WARNED his listeners to AVOID is A parable?
Jesus was warning his throng of listeners to AVOID getting roasted by a parable! You see how daft your thinking goes!

It just so happened that the richman didnt heed the warning. Overate. Died and lo and behold- got roasted in a parabolic hell! The symbolic hell,just happened to have the same features as the other hell Jesus warned about. Complete with warmers (fire) and parch (thirst) and entertainmnt (torment)!

Dude- please switch on your senses. It's dark in there! The window of ur mind is papered with Watchtower literature. Tear them off so that you can see.

Mark 9:43 says the two human hands go to hell , Do u support this ?

Barristter07:


Why don't you preach the Red ? Why are people not going to hell with their TWO hands ?

You can tell him the answer since you know the answer and by the way use Bible verse to back up your answers that's if you have any.

asalimpo:

Your issue is that you struggle with logical reasoning. So u end stumbling on ur own tail. Reaching dumb conclusions. Remember the quote where you claimed that i said that souls die? I had to re explain it to you as if you r a primary school kid learning english for d first time.

Now,ur poor logical acumen is manifesting again. I will repeat my previous question to you. Dont evade it.

Do spirit beings have corresponding parts to human/fleshly beings? Do angels,spirits,have heads? Do they have eyes? Does God,a spirit, see? Does God,a spirit,laugh? Does God,a spirit,sit? Do angels,spirits,have hands?

this is the question.

Do angels have heads? But they are spirits?
Do they have hair?
Do they have feet?
In their heads do they hav eyes?
On their hands,do they have fingers?
As a spirit , do they have CORRESPONDING BODY PARTS TO HUMAN/FLESHLY BEINGS?
THIS is the question you contending with. Answer it.

Stop disgracing your self and go read up on anthropomorphism .

@ Red, you know they have SEX ORGANS too ?

Answer. You need to reset your thinking capacity

asalimpo:

Your issue is that you struggle with logical reasoning. So u end stumbling on ur own tail. Reaching dumb conclusions. Remember the quote where you claimed that i said that souls die? I had to re explain it to you as if you r a primary school kid learning english for d first time.

Now,ur poor logical acumen is manifesting again. I will repeat my previous question to you. Dont evade it.

Do spirit beings have corresponding parts to human/fleshly beings? Do angels,spirits,have heads? Do they have eyes? Does God,a spirit, see? Does God,a spirit,laugh? Does God,a spirit,sit? Do angels,spirits,have hands?

this is the question.

Do angels have heads? But they are spirits?
Do they have hair?
Do they have feet?
In their heads do they hav eyes?
On their hands,do they have fingers?
As a spirit , do they have CORRESPONDING BODY PARTS TO HUMAN/FLESHLY BEINGS?
THIS is the question you contending with. Answer it.

Stop disgracing your self and go read up on anthropomorphism .

@ Red, You mean they have SEX ORGANS too ?

What happened to your sense Sir ?

asalimpo:

@barristter07
you quote mark9v43.
And if thy hand offend thee,cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed,than having two hands to go into HELL,into the fire that NEVER SHALL BE QUENCHED

V44: where their worm dieth not, and the FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED

v45 ... hell,into the fire that never shall be quenched:
v46 where their worm dieth not, and the FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED

sir,these verses may just b parables unh?
Cuz coincidentally,the richman died, and found himself in a hell that fit exactly the description Jesus gave here.

How dyu dudes read this and still come to the conclusion that THERE IS NO HELL!
#massive iron-sponge brain scrubbing.

Notice that kept repeating the warning about hell being eternal!

in your daftness,you say hell is the grave. Dumb retards. Do those verses fit the description of ANY GRAVE YOU KNOW- where the fire is never quenched and the worms never die out.

Teaching what u don't understand.

There are how many Hell ?

Barristter07:


Stop disgracing your self and go read up on anthropomorphism .

@ Red, you know they have SEX ORGANS too ?

Answer. You need to reset your thinking capacity

Show us anthropomorphism in the Bible. When you can't justify your assumptions you fall back to encyclopedia brittanica and anthropomorphism. Lol.

I was expecting you to tell him to go and read the bible the way he has been quoting verses in the Bible to justify his beliefs. Shame did on you. No Bible verse to back up your doctrine only definition of anthropomorphism to support your doctrine. Lol

asalimpo:

Acting like a peeved kid. If you are too immature to engage in a debate,you exit gracefully. Keep ur putrid emotions in its bag. This isnt a place for kids. You wont b the first or last person to hav a different religious view from another person. And others hav done so without losing their heads and will continue to do so. So b mature. We have objective ways of debating issues regarding d bible.

Whatever, I see u are no kid. Thanks let me be my kid in peace or is it a crime?

Maximus69:
When someone is aged there is so much to cherish and appreciate in them!
¤They're always calm in their approach towards all matters unlike the young and inexperience ones, this is why most intelligent individuals display some form of humility when dealing with the aged ones as there's much to learn from them!
¤They're always neutral when dealing with sensitive issues, because they don't want to be disrespected and by the end of the day finds out that such disrespect is justified due to their own fault of backing the wrong side!
¤They speak to everyone with deep respect in order not to be humiliated by some who have little or no regards for grey hair!
¤They hesitate in judging because they want to leave behind a legacy for recommendation!
¤They do have much restrain from abuses, curses, and supportive of any party during conflicts!
Well this is a faceless forum on social media,so nobody knows nor recognises the one commenting by posts. The only way to make people regard you is your own participation in the ongoing debate or argument.
Non denominational simply means you belong to Jesus and so you're neither a party to any denomination! Of course everyone should respect such ideology but when you are supportive of doctrines of some groups in opposition to some other groups then your stand as a non denominational believer will be called to question!
Matthew 7:6 you quoted could simply means 'don't argue with people who have no regards for spiritual things, otherwise they will debunk those valuables [God's priceless words of wisdom] in your face and turn to tear your[good spirit] into pieces'
As you keep quoting God's word and calling people names with abuses,curses and judgmentally accusing them is a sign that they've turn you to pieces already because the attributes you're supposed to display has been changed to that of a pagan. Truthfully speaking Sir your opponents have turn all those qualities mentioned @ Galatians 5:22,23 away from your body [that is if you ever had it in the first place] now you're totally naked with no Christlike virtues to cloth you with respect and dignity!

ha ha, lying false accuser jw max
so says a false jw liar, you satans mob sure get tesky when confronted with the truth

Jesus was truly talking about you false jw's and others when He said:

Mat 7:6 "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

but keep trying to fool yourself otherwise, you of course don't fool christians





Truly these verses apply to false jw's
plus many more of course:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.





Gal 5:22  But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 
Gal 5:23  gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 

false jw max, i have all of that, but not all of it towards satans mob

speaking the truth, no matter how hard it is for the ears of you liars to hear
does not go against the fruit of the Spirit
Jesus spoke similarly to your fore fathers the pharisees:

Mat 23:15  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are. 

Mat 23:27  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. 
Mat 23:28  In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

ableguy:

Whatever, I see u are no kid. Thanks let me be my kid in peace or is it a crime?

no sir. Good bye. Research the angels food thing when you are gone. Like i said,angels eat.

Barristter07:

Teaching what u don't understand.

There are how many Hell ?

There you go, Mr. Slippery. Throw a question,introduce anoda indirection,evade the issue and rinse repeat.

You say hell doesnt exist. It is d common grave and the richman and lazarus thing is a parable. So mark 9 v43+. Was Jesus asking ppl to avoid going to a parabolic,fictional hell?

asalimpo:

no sir. Good bye. Research the angels food thing when you are gone. Like i said,angels eat.

Silence will be best

ableguy:

Silence will be best

Whatever you say boss.
But y do get emotional then strt warning a responder to not reply to your replies-in an open forum on an open topic?

Maximus69:
When someone is aged there is so much to cherish and appreciate in them!
¤They're always calm in their approach towards all matters unlike the young and inexperience ones, this is why most intelligent individuals display some form of humility when dealing with the aged ones as there's much to learn from them!
¤They're always neutral when dealing with sensitive issues,

lying false jw max
not me, i will show up your evil

Maximus69:
because they don't want to be disrespected

i certinally don't mind being disrespected
if fact when it comes from false jw's-satans mob, it is a blessing, smile

Maximus69:
and by the end of the day finds out that such disrespect is justified due to their own fault of backing the wrong side!

ha ha, so first you say about the aged:
"there is so much to cherish and appreciate in them!"
"They're always calm in their approach towards all matters"
"there's much to learn from them!"

and now you say:
they are disrespected for backing the wrong side, laugh

ummm according to you confused lying false jw max, apparently all the aged are exactly the same, laughing

Maximus69:
¤They speak to everyone with deep respect in order not to be humiliated by some who have little or no regards for grey hair!

the elderly speak with respect so as not to be humiliated, ha ha, where do you get all of this rot from,
of course from your daddy the devil:
Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Maximus69:
¤They hesitate in judging because they want to leave behind a legacy for recommendation!

the elderly hesitate in judging because they want to leave a legacy for recommendation,
ha ha, smile



you false jw's think you know it all, yet by your words you make it clear that you are confused know nothing's

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

it's clear from the posts of false jw's that much of what they say is just from their heads,
and from their elders through witchpower magazine etc.

and not from God's word, in fact they often contradict God's word, making God a liar:
1Jn_5:10  He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

Maximus69:

Non denominational simply means you belong to Jesus and so you're neither a party to any denomination! Of course everyone should respect such ideology but when you are supportive of doctrines of some groups in opposition to some other groups then your stand as a non denominational believer will be called to question!

ha ha, oh duh, a christian of faith whether non denominational or denominational
will agree with true doctrines and oppose false doctrines like your false jw's false doctrines
you are such a confused little false jw puppy dog Mat 7:6
"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

written by a christian

In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. The New World Translation

God was the word in Greek This is one of the most common verses of contention between the Jehovah's Witnesses and Christians. Their false assumption is that Jesus is not God in flesh but Michael the archangel who became a man. Therefore, since they deny that Jesus is divine, they have altered the Bible in John 1:1 so that Jesus is not divine in nature. The New World Translation has added the word "a" to the verse so that it says, " . . . and the Word was a god." The correct translation of this verse is "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God." This is how it is rendered in the NASB, NIV, KJV, NKJV, ASV, RSV, etc.

The New World translation is incorrect in its translation of this verse for several reasons. First of all, the Bible teaches a strict monotheism. To say that Jesus is "a god" is to suggest that there is another god besides YHWH, which is contrary to scripture (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8, etc.). Of course, the Jehovah's Witnesses will respond that Jesus is not the Almighty God, but a "lesser" kind of God. He is the "mighty God" as is referenced in Isaiah 9:6, "For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us, and the government will rest on His shoulders, and His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace." Therefore, they say that Jesus is the mighty god but not the Almighty God.

The immediate problem with this explanation is that YHWH is also called the Mighty God in Jeremiah 32:18 and Isaiah 10:21. In all three verses, including Isaiah 9:6, the Hebrew word for "mighty" (gibbor) is used.

Isaiah 10:20-21, "Now it will come about in that day that the remnant of Israel, and those of the house of Jacob who have escaped, will never again rely on the one who struck them, but will truly rely on the LORD, the Holy One of Israel. 21A remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, to the mighty God."
Jer. 32:18, "who showest lovingkindness to thousands, but repayest the iniquity of fathers into the bosom of their children after them, O great and mighty God, the LORD of hosts is His name."
We can see that the Jehovah's Witness explanation is not valid; both the Son and God are called the Mighty God.

Furthermore, how many actual gods are there in scripture? The obvious answer is that there is only one God in existence. Though there are others who have been falsely called gods (1 Cor. 8:5-6) or even said to be "as God" like Moses (Ex. 4:16; 7:1), there is only one real God (Gal. 4:8-9; Isaiah 44:6, 8]. If Jesus is "a god" that was "with God" in the beginning, then is Jesus a true god or a false god?

But, the Jehovah's Witnesses often claim that Jesus is a god in the sense that Moses was called a god; but, Moses was not called a god. Rather, he would be "as God."

"Moreover, he shall speak for you to the people; and it shall come about that he shall be as a mouth for you, and you shall be as God to him." (Exodus 4:16).
"Then the Lord said to Moses, 'See, I make you as God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet.'" (Exodus 7:1).
Why was Moses going "as God" to Pharaoh? Because Moses was given the authority and power to display powerful miracles that decimated much of Egypt. Was Moses really a god? Being "as God" with regard to the power given to perform miracles over Egypt is not the same thing as being called "a god" that was in the beginning with God. (John 1:1).

John was a strict Jew, a monotheist. Does the Jehovah's Witness really think that John would be saying that there was another God besides Jehovah even if it were Jesus? Being raised a good Jew, the Apostle John would never believe that there was more than one God in existence. Yet, he compared the word with God, said the word was God, and that the word became flesh (John 1:1, 14).

John 1:1 in a literal translation reads thus: "In beginning was the word, and the word was with the God, and God was the word." Notice that it says "God was the word." This is the actual word-for-word translation. It is not saying that "a god was the word." That wouldn't make sense. Let me break it down into three statements.

"In beginning was the word . . . "
(en arche en ho logos)
A very simple statement that the Word was in the beginning.
"and the word was with the God . . . "
(kai ho logos en pros ton theon)
This same Word was with God.
"and God was the word."--Properly translated as "and the Word was God."
(kai theos en ho logos)
This same Word was God.
Regarding statement 3 above, the correct English translation is " . . . and the Word was God" and not "and God was the word." This is because if there is only one definite article ("ho"="the"] in a clause where two nouns are in the nominative ("subject"] form ("theos" and "logos"], then the noun with the definite article ("ho"="the"] is the subject. In this case "ho logos" means that "the word" is the subject of the clause. Therefore, " . . . the Word was God" is the correct translation and not "God was the Word."1 But this does not negate the idea that John is speaking of only one God, not two, even though the Jehovah's Witnesses maintain that Jesus is "a god" or the "mighty god" as was addressed above.

Is there suddenly a new god in the text of John 1:1? It is the same God that is being spoken of in part 2 as in part 3. How do the Jehovah's Witnesses maintain that the word had somehow become a god in this context since there is only one God mentioned? Remember, the Jehovah's Witnesses teach that Jesus was Michael the Archangel. Therefore, is there any place in the Bible where an angel is called "a god" besides Satan being called the god of this world in 2 Cor. 4:3-4?

John 20:28--"Thomas answered and said to Him, 'My Lord and my God!'"


In the Greek in John 20:28 Thomas said to Jesus, "ho kurios mou, kai ho theos mou," "The Lord of me, and the God of me." If Jesus was not God, but "a" god, then shouldn't Jesus have corrected Thomas? Shouldn't Jesus have said, "No, Thomas, I am not the God. I am a god."? But Jesus did not. To do so would have been ludicrous. Nevertheless, the Jehovah's Witness will say that Thomas was so stunned by Jesus' appearance that he swore. This is ridiculous because it means that Thomas, a devout man of God, swore in front of Jesus and used the Lord's name in vain in violation of Exodus 20:7. This is hardly the case since we find no New Testament equivalent of a disciple of Christ using God's name in vain.

In conclusion, John 1:1 is best translated without the "a" inserted into the text. "The Word was God" is the best translation. This way, we do not run into the danger of polytheism with Jesus being "a god." We do not have Thomas the disciple swearing and using God's name in vain; and, we do not have the problem of Jesus being a "mighty god" and yet not the God--even though God Himself is called the Mighty God (Jeremiah 32:18; Isaiah 10:21).

Maximus69:

As you keep quoting God's word and calling people names with abuses,curses and judgmentally accusing

lying false jw max
you can call God's word and the truth i say about false jw's that if you want



you call God's word and other truth about false jw's: abuses,curses and judgmentally accusing
i know you do, such is your evil

asalimpo:

There you go, Mr. Slippery. Throw a question,introduce anoda indirection,evade the issue and rinse repeat.

You say hell doesnt exist. It is d common grave and the richman and lazarus thing is a parable. So mark 9 v43+. Was Jesus asking ppl to avoid going to a parabolic,fictional hell?

U really know nothing about the Bible.
In Mark9:43 & matt5:22& seven other verses where the word 'fires of hell' or 'hell fire' is in KJV ,the correct word there is "Gehenna" ( gehinnom in Hebrew . Many bible versions with margin notes or concordance will show you it is Gehenna.That place was a refuse dump,not a place of torment, outside Jerusalem)
Actually Mark9:43 is a parable spoken by Jesus . Only lying Pharisees come here & make noise to twist the parables of Jesus into some thing else.