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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 11:28pm On Mar 24, 2019 |
Hairyrapunzel: false jw's don't understand or believe the parts of the bible that go against what they are told to believe they think God contradicts himself and they make Him out a liar: 1Jn_5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by chiedozie198100: 1:03am On Mar 25, 2019 |
Ken4Christ: when exactly did God create hell? 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by asalimpo(m): 1:10am On Mar 25, 2019 |
ableguy:if Jesus was resurrected in SPIRIT as you say? Then y did the tomb need to be rolled away? A spirit is limited by material blockades? If the body of Jesus was replaced by a new forged but identical body, how did the second body get smuggled into the tomb? Remember it is a body,hence material and PHYSICAL. How did it get past the gaurds, into the tomb, then wrapped up in the old grave cloths? How did it get into the grave past the watchful eyes of crack roman gaurds. If any of those soldiers,so much as fell asleep on duty,the entire group was burnt to death as punishmnt. So brought in the new body? If u say God miraculously fabricated a new body,in the grave for Jesus,what happened to the former? Dissapeared? Vanished? But y the duplication of effort? God is a wise God. It's foolish to do the same thing needlessly twice? If God manufactured a new body in the grave,then it means,either God the Father left heaven and came to the grave, then heaven was lacking two of the God head. Or the holy spirit was in the grave,doing the works. If on the othe other hand it was an angel,then they were two angelic visits to the tomb in just 2 days! One to smuggle in the fake body, one to roll back the tomb! If God did really replace the old body with a fake lookalike, where did he get the exact roman nails to make holes in it with? Did he pull it off the old cross jesus died on? Remember, for God to b true and not a liar,it has to be the prints of THE NAILS (the original nails) used on the old body. Then who did the nailing? A roman soldier? Where? In heaven! An angel? Or God himself? What of the stripes on the body? Who put the stripes? Lastly the bible says in prophecy that God wouldnt leave Jesus soul in hell or allow his body (in the tomb) see corruption/decay. So God would b breaking His word by destroying the old body. 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 7:36am On Mar 25, 2019 |
chiedozie198100:He thought of it from the beginning so that his holiness could be called to question! If not a disastrous blunder,how can people think that a person claiming to be HOLY[meaning PURE~CLEAN~GOOD] in all respect including his thoughts could PREARRANGE such a place of ETERNAL agony for his own children simply because they were deceived? Jeremiah 7:31 Perhaps the problem with hellfire fabricators is forgetting that both angels[including demons] and humans were God's children from the onset! Genesis 1:26-28,6:1,Job 1:6,Psalm 82:1,6 2 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by asalimpo(m): 7:40am On Mar 25, 2019 |
Maximus69:The bible says God created hell for the devil and his angels. If angels r God's children, why didnt Jesus die for them as well? Or is God a partial God? |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by chiedozie198100: 8:07am On Mar 25, 2019 |
Maximus69: my dear no mind them, if only they know how foolish it is to keep preaching this hellfire nonsense. anytime I ask a so-called born again Christian that question, they go blank. 2 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by chiedozie198100: 8:10am On Mar 25, 2019 |
asalimpo: the question still remains, when exactly was hell created, cos the bible says that God created everything (including the devil n the angels) and saw that everything He created was good. and then He rested on the seventh day. did He "come out" of retirement? and at what point did He add humans to the list of hellfire candidates? 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by asalimpo(m): 8:17am On Mar 25, 2019 |
2kings2v11: And it came to pass ,as they still went on and talked, that , behold,there appeared a chariot of fire, AND HORSES OF FIRE, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a WHIRLWIND INTO HEAVEN Matth10v28: And fear not them which kill the body but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both SOUL and BODY in hell rev20v11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it,from whose face the earth and heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them rev20v12 And i saw the DEAD, small and great,stand before God; ... And the DEAD were JUDGED out of those things which were written in the books,according to their works rev20v13 And the sea gave up the DEAD which were in it; And DEATH and HELL delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every MAN according to their works rev20v15 And WHOSOEVER was not found written in the book of LIFE was CAST into the LAKE OF FIRE JOHN5V11[b]for the Father judgeth no MAN,but hath committed ALL JUDGEMENT to the SON [/b] 2Tim4v1 I charge thee therefore God, and the Lord Jesus Christ,who shall JUDGE the quick and the DEAD at HIS APPEARING AND HIS KINGDOM Matth25v31-32 But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. And all the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats @barrister07 Elijah got into a chariot pulled by horses. Horses are fleshly animals. The eat grass (hay) and sh*t like cattle do? So that verse where elijah was taken upto heaven by a chariot is what? A) a literal account b) a parable? Are the animals that are spirits? Are they chariots that are spiritual objects yet can carry a physical human? Is elijah's ascension, real or parable? If elijah can enter heaven bodily (only enoch nd he never died) can one enter hell bodily? See matth10v28. @janosky who is the judge on the throne? Rev20v12? Who is this GOD sitting ON the throne to JUDGE MAN! JOHN5V11[b]for the Father judgeth no MAN,but hath committed ALL JUDGEMENT to the SON [/b] oops! Try your best to twist it dude. Mayb it's an angel, the corrupt kjv authors replaced angel with GOD in the 11th century! @barristter07 at what point in time will a human body and soul be Cast in a fiery place as Jesus warned in matthew10v28? Does it occur anywhere before Rev20v15? |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 8:24am On Mar 25, 2019 |
asalimpo:Good question Sir! Jesus' death can only save those who unfortunately became IMPERFECT intelligent creatures due to procreation[birth] not PERFECT intelligent creatures! Angels are PERFECT creatures so they have all what it takes to decide whether to remain loyal or rebel against God just as Adam and Eve were also PERFECT from the beginning. Jesus' blood cannot redeem any PERFECT creature! The reason we can be redeemed is because we weren't the ones DIRECTLY involved in the rebellion against God! Any of the angels in heaven could have come to do what Jesus did,all what we needed is for a PERFECT life to replace what Adam lost so that we can gain salvation. Psalm 49:7-9 But NONE of the angels in heaven dare thought of coming to face Satan's troubles except Jesus who is the most senior or first born of God's Children! Daniel 12:1 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by asalimpo(m): 8:37am On Mar 25, 2019 |
JOHN5V11[b]for the Father judgeth no MAN,but hath committed ALL JUDGEMENT to the SON [/b] 2Tim4v1 I charge thee therefore God, and the Lord Jesus Christ,who shall JUDGE the quick and the DEAD at HIS APPEARING AND HIS KINGDOM Matth25v31-32 But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. And all the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by asalimpo(m): 8:47am On Mar 25, 2019 |
Maximus69:nonsense! Man, saved by the BLOOD OF AN ANGEL right? Perfect HUMAN CREATURE ... Give scriptures and verses. Please. Any Angel could hav done what Jesus did - scriptures and verses Jesus blood can only save perfect intelligent creatures - scriptures nd verses backup everything u say with verses. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 8:49am On Mar 25, 2019 |
asalimpo:Sir all these glory and honour were GIVEN to Jesus AFTER he has completed the assignment of redeeming sinful mankind,that is why he has the right to judge humans and those rebellious angels! This is why Satan tried all within his capability to thwart the arrangement so that nobody could excape destruction but Jesus successfully completed the assignment and said 'IT IS FINISHED'. John 19:30 2 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 9:08am On Mar 25, 2019 |
asalimpo:Do you get aggressive each time you see a contrary opinion or you just don't like hearing others speak about their conviction? Well ¤Perfect human creature is Adam,that is why the Bible equate him with Jesus otherwise he couldn't have been called the first while Jesus is referred to as the last! 1Corinthians 15:45 ¤So Jesus' blood can't redeem Adam or Eve because they weren't born SINNERS and Jesus' blood is meant to redeem ONLY sinners not PERFECT creatures! Matthew 9:13 ¤All what humans need is another PERFECT life to be sacrificed since it is a PERFECT life who fell into since that plunged all of us into the condition. Romans 5:12, 1Corinthians 15:21 Please don't be annoyed if my post seems offensive,i only chipped in what i understood from the scripture but you can correct me if you can also BACK EVERYTHING YOU'RE GOING TO SAY WITH THE SCRIPTURES! 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by asalimpo(m): 9:10am On Mar 25, 2019 |
Maximus69:sir,who is the GOD mentioned in Rev20v12! #Jesus is God! |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by asalimpo(m): 9:16am On Mar 25, 2019 |
Maximus69:i get aggressive when i see blatant lies. Like you would if some1 tried to tell you tht 2+2 isnt 4! Do you see that Jesus is God according to Rev20v12? Or u will strt telling me watchtower shenanigans (shenaningans?). |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 9:18am On Mar 25, 2019 |
chiedozie198100: It's even more foolish to think and wish your jehovah will slaughter/destroy/murder 8 billion people because they refused to join a new York based publishing company called watchtower organization and regard the 8 old men leading the company as the only channel of communication between God and man today. I know you believe only your gb are born again and have the holy spirit in them and can go to heaven because these gb members told you so. Last last you go dey alright. Na inside una head Armageddon and paradise earth dey. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 9:22am On Mar 25, 2019 |
chiedozie198100: Since your Bible mentioned when God created hell you can tell us. You know the answer. Be looking for what's not in the Bible so you can manufacture your assumption as answer so as to satisfy yourself |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by asalimpo(m): 9:26am On Mar 25, 2019 |
Maximus69:IT is finished = the old order of animal sacrifices,is finished! Done away with! Hence,the temple veil was torn in two FROM top to bottom! That veil shielded God's Shekinah Glory in the Holy of Holies,where the ark was! With the veil rent, God moved out of the ark and manmade temples and the OLD ORDER ended! Any more animal sacrifces after that was NONSENSE AND an insult to God. Today, the HUMAN body is the TEMPLE of God! Jesus death ended the old testament and made the NEW testament effective. You dont benefit from your father's will while he is alive only after his death. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 9:38am On Mar 25, 2019 |
asalimpo:Hmmm Well everyone sees the other person having contrary opinion as a blatant liar,so just as you think of me the same i'm also thinking of you but i have maintained my calmness! Before addressing you next question,why not first conclude on the first issue concerning redemption? Do you now agree that Adam was not born or created with sin[blemish]? Do you now agree that Adam don't need all what Jesus came to do? Do you now agree that its ONLY those born in sin that could be redeemed? Do you now agree that any PERFECT person is fit to redeem sinful mankind? Please let's conclude on these before proceeding to another topic! 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by asalimpo(m): 9:49am On Mar 25, 2019 |
@maximus69 Jesus had been foreordained in God's (the father's) plan of salvation to Judge the world. He had also been foreordained to die for man's sins BEFORE adam sinned. It isnt something that hastily arranged or an after thought. Rev13v8 ... Lamb slain from THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD isaiah61v2 to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord and the year of VENGEANCE of our God notice that when Jesus quoted isaiah 61 in his FIRST coming,he stopped at verse 1! In his SECOND coming verse2 will b fulfilled in the battle or Armaggedon (not what u jws think) and the judgement afterwards. But this roles had been vested on Jesus before He was even born! Isaiah 11v3-4 also shed more light on Jesus' role as preOrdained Judge of the world. PreOrdained not impromptu or ad hoc. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by asalimpo(m): 10:00am On Mar 25, 2019 |
chiedozie198100:hmmm... The bible says in matth 25v41. Who hell (actually the lake of fire) was created for? Or didnt it say so? Or is Jesus lying? If then hell (actually the lake of fire but u see Jesus calling it hell) was PREPARED for satan and his rebellious angels- does it mean it doesnt exist? Or it doesnt exist BECAUSE THERE IS NO CALENDAR DATE TELLING when it first came into Existence? When where the angels of God created? Their creation account isnt recorded SO by your logic- angels dont exist! The angels that visited abraham and lot are PARABOLIC angels! #You can do better than this |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by asalimpo(m): 10:03am On Mar 25, 2019 |
chiedozie198100:when exactly did God create the angels? |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 10:25am On Mar 25, 2019 |
asalimpo:So God prearranged that Adam would sin then Jesus would come, suffer and die for sinners,then some sinners would fail to get the sense of all of these,so God prearranged Hellfire for those ones! Hmmm whether Jehovah's Witnesses or not isn't my problem Sir,but i love sensibility when it is presented! I think 'the founding of the world' began after Adam and Eve sinned. God never intend or spoke of destroying the earth which he created and said 'everything is perfect' but the world of DISOBEDIENT mankind whose foundation was laid AFTER Adam and Eve first DISOBEYED God! If you carefully notice when the Bible makes mention of the world,it is always about the DISOBEDIENT humans, and God is ready to help as many as possible to know that their foundation is no more as he laid it from the beginning but has been overlaid with DISOBEDIENT attributes that needed to be changed as in reorientation which means redeemed! John 3:16 2 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Barristter07: 2:08pm On Mar 25, 2019 |
asalimpo: No . its all anthropomorphism . Humans have sex organs , since you so believe they have body parts like humans , Clarify if they have sex organs ! ? u don enter am today 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Barristter07: 2:10pm On Mar 25, 2019 |
asalimpo: John 3:13 Is all you need 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 2:28pm On Mar 25, 2019 |
Barristter07: Quote the Bible verse. So last last all your beliefs are assumptions. 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Jozzy4: 3:41pm On Mar 25, 2019 |
asalimpo: Same body but it doesn't have blood like the former that depend on blood . #spits# at this ignorance.
With this nonsense u just spew Someone ask: there are how many hell ? 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by chiedozie198100: 3:50pm On Mar 25, 2019 |
asalimpo: when God created the heavenly bodies. 2 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by chiedozie198100: 3:57pm On Mar 25, 2019 |
Hairyrapunzel: I'm not a jehovah's witness. and may I remind you that adam and even where not condemned to a lake of fire, but to return to the dust they were made out from. those that died in the flood were not dumped in hell fire. in fact the whole hell theory was never part of the old testament. saying that hell is a literal place is like saying that there is actually animals with weird physical structures as recorded in revelations, or angels in heaven that will physically come down to earth and blow trumpets. my dear most bible illustrations are not literal in its expressions. 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 4:05pm On Mar 25, 2019 |
chiedozie198100: The new testament made it a literal place. Most bible illustrations are not literal in its expressions according to you doesn't make you decide the ones others will take as their own literal. You cannot cherry pick. It is Either all bible expressions are literal or all bible expressions are not literal. Since bible did not state the ones that we will take as literal or figurative, then we can't come to a conclusion based on our assumptions and force it down peoples throats. It doesn't work that way. Life is very simple |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by chiedozie198100: 4:17pm On Mar 25, 2019 |
Hairyrapunzel: the boldened statement is pure fallacy. jesus spoke in parables, and parables are not literal stories. does that make every story in the bible a parable? NO. nobody is forcing anything down anybody's throat. new testament never made hell a literal place. the story of Lazarus and the rich man was a parable, and should not and cannot be taken as a literal story. because there is no way (assuming a place like hell exists) that the rich man and Lazarus will be in such close proximity to each other for them to communicate, and to the point of the rich man asking Lazarus to quench his thirst with a drop of water from his finger. i mean if you believe that to be a literal event then am very sorry that you don't pay close attention to details. 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 4:21pm On Mar 25, 2019 |
chiedozie198100:You dey mind them? God gave humans Bible to tell them things relating to their physical being so HE did NOT narrate heavenly structures to man from the beginning because it's none of our business! Psalms 115:16 @ John 3:12 Jesus said i told you earthly things[visible to your sight] and you failed to grasp it,what will happen if i tell you heavenly things[that you can't SEE] They are expecting God to tell them there is Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto in the solar system when humans have no business with those heavenly bodies! So when God said HE created heaven,they're expecting HIM to start narating bit by bit as HE did with earthly things that they[humans] must deal with! 1 Like |
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