TATIME:
If are able to grasp this,blessed are you Mr Maximus bacause now you'll be able to stand on your feet for EQUITY and Jesus will certainly recognise you as His own!
He said those who finds it difficult to stand for EQUITY will be condemned! @ Matthew 7:23 Jesus said "then i will reply them saying 'depart from me! i never knew you,you workers of INIQUITY'"
So keep you mental powers at alert Maximus,and you'll never need to fear any thing! Philippians 4:7!

johnw47:

written by a christian

In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. The New World Translation

God was the word in Greek This is one of the most common verses of contention between the Jehovah's Witnesses and Christians. Their false assumption is that Jesus is not God in flesh but Michael the archangel who became a man. Therefore, since they deny that Jesus is divine, they have altered the Bible in John 1:1 so that Jesus is not divine in nature. The New World Translation has added the word "a" to the verse so that it says, " . . . and the Word was a god." The correct translation of this verse is "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God." This is how it is rendered in the NASB, NIV, KJV, NKJV, ASV, RSV, etc.

The New World translation is incorrect in its translation of this verse for several reasons. First of all, the Bible teaches a strict monotheism. To say that Jesus is "a god" is to suggest that there is another god besides YHWH, which is contrary to scripture (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8, etc.). Of course, the Jehovah's Witnesses will respond that Jesus is not the Almighty God, but a "lesser" kind of God. He is the "mighty God" as is referenced in Isaiah 9:6, "For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us, and the government will rest on His shoulders, and His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace." Therefore, they say that Jesus is the mighty god but not the Almighty God.

The immediate problem with this explanation is that YHWH is also called the Mighty God in Jeremiah 32:18 and Isaiah 10:21. In all three verses, including Isaiah 9:6, the Hebrew word for "mighty" (gibbor) is used.

Isaiah 10:20-21, "Now it will come about in that day that the remnant of Israel, and those of the house of Jacob who have escaped, will never again rely on the one who struck them, but will truly rely on the LORD, the Holy One of Israel. 21A remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, to the mighty God."
Jer. 32:18, "who showest lovingkindness to thousands, but repayest the iniquity of fathers into the bosom of their children after them, O great and mighty God, the LORD of hosts is His name."
We can see that the Jehovah's Witness explanation is not valid; both the Son and God are called the Mighty God.

Furthermore, how many actual gods are there in scripture? The obvious answer is that there is only one God in existence. Though there are others who have been falsely called gods (1 Cor. 8:5-6) or even said to be "as God" like Moses (Ex. 4:16; 7:1), there is only one real God (Gal. 4:8-9; Isaiah 44:6, 8]. If Jesus is "a god" that was "with God" in the beginning, then is Jesus a true god or a false god?

But, the Jehovah's Witnesses often claim that Jesus is a god in the sense that Moses was called a god; but, Moses was not called a god. Rather, he would be "as God."

"Moreover, he shall speak for you to the people; and it shall come about that he shall be as a mouth for you, and you shall be as God to him." (Exodus 4:16).
"Then the Lord said to Moses, 'See, I make you as God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet.'" (Exodus 7:1).
Why was Moses going "as God" to Pharaoh? Because Moses was given the authority and power to display powerful miracles that decimated much of Egypt. Was Moses really a god? Being "as God" with regard to the power given to perform miracles over Egypt is not the same thing as being called "a god" that was in the beginning with God. (John 1:1).

John was a strict Jew, a monotheist. Does the Jehovah's Witness really think that John would be saying that there was another God besides Jehovah even if it were Jesus? Being raised a good Jew, the Apostle John would never believe that there was more than one God in existence. Yet, he compared the word with God, said the word was God, and that the word became flesh (John 1:1, 14).

John 1:1 in a literal translation reads thus: "In beginning was the word, and the word was with the God, and God was the word." Notice that it says "God was the word." This is the actual word-for-word translation. It is not saying that "a god was the word." That wouldn't make sense. Let me break it down into three statements.

"In beginning was the word . . . "
(en arche en ho logos)
A very simple statement that the Word was in the beginning.
"and the word was with the God . . . "
(kai ho logos en pros ton theon)
This same Word was with God.
"and God was the word."--Properly translated as "and the Word was God."
(kai theos en ho logos)
This same Word was God.
Regarding statement 3 above, the correct English translation is " . . . and the Word was God" and not "and God was the word." This is because if there is only one definite article ("ho"="the"] in a clause where two nouns are in the nominative ("subject"] form ("theos" and "logos"], then the noun with the definite article ("ho"="the"] is the subject. In this case "ho logos" means that "the word" is the subject of the clause. Therefore, " . . . the Word was God" is the correct translation and not "God was the Word."1 But this does not negate the idea that John is speaking of only one God, not two, even though the Jehovah's Witnesses maintain that Jesus is "a god" or the "mighty god" as was addressed above.

Is there suddenly a new god in the text of John 1:1? It is the same God that is being spoken of in part 2 as in part 3. How do the Jehovah's Witnesses maintain that the word had somehow become a god in this context since there is only one God mentioned? Remember, the Jehovah's Witnesses teach that Jesus was Michael the Archangel. Therefore, is there any place in the Bible where an angel is called "a god" besides Satan being called the god of this world in 2 Cor. 4:3-4?

John 20:28--"Thomas answered and said to Him, 'My Lord and my God!'"


In the Greek in John 20:28 Thomas said to Jesus, "ho kurios mou, kai ho theos mou," "The Lord of me, and the God of me." If Jesus was not God, but "a" god, then shouldn't Jesus have corrected Thomas? Shouldn't Jesus have said, "No, Thomas, I am not the God. I am a god."? But Jesus did not. To do so would have been ludicrous. Nevertheless, the Jehovah's Witness will say that Thomas was so stunned by Jesus' appearance that he swore. This is ridiculous because it means that Thomas, a devout man of God, swore in front of Jesus and used the Lord's name in vain in violation of Exodus 20:7. This is hardly the case since we find no New Testament equivalent of a disciple of Christ using God's name in vain.

In conclusion, John 1:1 is best translated without the "a" inserted into the text. "The Word was God" is the best translation. This way, we do not run into the danger of polytheism with Jesus being "a god." We do not have Thomas the disciple swearing and using God's name in vain; and, we do not have the problem of Jesus being a "mighty god" and yet not the God--even though God Himself is called the Mighty God (Jeremiah 32:18; Isaiah 10:21).

Janosky:

Written by a lying Pharisee and plagiarised by Johnw lying Pharisee.
Great work of fiction
Una sabi lie for Africa

asalimpo:

ok. The authors and translators of all the bible versions on the planet that say GOD suddenly couldnt get it right, until JW came along. Found the "ancient manuscripts", and found that learned scholars working independently just couldnt know the difference between HE and GOD! That's interesting. 100 bible versions render 1tim3v16 as GOD. So ... All of them got it wrong or your bigotry is keeping you from admitting that you are wrong?
Besides,it is blatantly grammertical incorrect to say 'He'. Using a pronoun without antecedent. The bibles u say corrupted passages,were translated by people who risked their lives to do so. At least the textus receptus line of bibles from which the kjv originates. So why would people die at stake to make the bible accessible to the common man,then pervert scriptures willfully,knowing the curses following such sins? Again, your claims are illogical.
Jesus is God.

johnw47:



that's all that was said in the verse, but it doesn't mean that's all there is, Jesus probably had hair to, oh duh duh




Jesus was severly beaten, His nail and side wounds were visible, so it is likely that His face and head wounds would be visible also
but you are again running away from the matter at hand, was Jesus body raised
Jesus and Christian's say yes, lying false jw's say no

johnw47:


1Jn_5:10  He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

johnw47:


lying false jw max
you can call God's word and the truth i say about false jw's that if you want



you call God's word and other truth about false jw's: abuses,curses and judgmentally accusing
i know you do, such is your evil

johnw47:


calling the Lord and Saviour of the world "a god"

is great iniquity indeed

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

you are not with the Lord now, and there is coming a time when He will send you on your departure for good:

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Maximus69:
Stupidity!
I keep telling you that the Bible is not anyone's doing but God's word. So only Jesus can declare anyone belong to the lake of fire,not a stupid man like you who just keep quoting without using his brains!
What you quoted said 'and whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire' None of the early Christians directed such judgmental declaration towards anyone in particular be it a Pharisee or even a former Christian that abandoned the faith!
This is where you have repeatedly proved to be unquestionably stupid!

Hairyrapunzel:


The early Christians never said their god will slaughter/destroy people who refused to join an organization and obey the leaders leading the organization.

Janosky:


The eye witness apostle Peter
confirmed that Jehovah raised his servant Jesus from the dead.
Acts3:12-15.
* John w lying Pharisee has a unique talent for lying.

Janosky:
Peter also confirmed that "Jesus was put to death in the physical realm but made alive in the spiritual realm" 1Peter3:18.

Janosky:
The record of apostle proves that Jesus appeared to his followers in
materialized body.

Janosky:
*** Mary Magdalene saw Jesus wounds when he died(John 19:25) ,3 days later after he resurrected, she saw him (according to John w Pharisee Jesus "nail and side wounds where visible" )to Mary Magdalene yet she could not recognize Jesus voice or his face until Jesus called her name (John 20:11-16).
Why ?
Mr Liar ,Jesus appeared to Mary with out any wound on him.
Different materialized body.
But to Thomas et al,he appeared to them in a materialized body with wounds

Maximus69:
Sorry! May you have Peace!

Janosky:


Your falsehood is tormenting you sotayy you dey misquote scripture.

Janosky:

"the record that God gave of his son" Confirmed

Janosky:
johnw unique lying talent" father and son is God" ,the fraud record of lying Pharisees

Maximus69:
Hmmm So if you are a contemporary of Jesus,will you be able to stand behind Jesus while seeing those ELDERLY men furiously talking against a young man like Jesus?
Well judging from your attitude and posts you're just a kid of about 16 years old claiming he is of age in order to cover his stupidity and lack of respect for others!
I've made myself clear that nobody can see your face nor ascertain your age on NL, the only way people can guess is from your manner of approach and attitude when dabbling into an issue that's complicating like this!
So johnny,your intellect reveals the level of your understanding and reasonableness therefore i'll say you're just a kid!

Maximus69:
Stupidity!
I keep telling you that the Bible is not anyone's doing but God's word. So only Jesus can declare anyone belong to the lake of fire,not a stupid man like you who just keep quoting without using his brains!

Maximus69:
What you quoted said 'and whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire' None of the early Christians directed such judgmental declaration towards anyone in particular be it a Pharisee or even a former Christian that abandoned the faith!

Maximus69:
This is where you have repeatedly proved to be unquestionably stupid!

Maximus69:
For your information,Jesus as in only Jesus is the person having the authority to judge anyone and that is not even until his father and God ask him to do so!
Until then Jesus will only tell the people this is the right way and this is the wrong way,NOT directly judging anybody because people are not the same when it comes to acceleration in getting the understanding of secrets!

Hairyrapunzel:


I have peace already.

johnw47:


lying false jw max
because you reject the true Lord and Saviour of the world and have faith in a false jesus who is "a angel" "a god"
etc. etc. etc.
i can tell you that you will be thrown into the lake of fire, believe it or not, your problem




ummmm apostle john said it for one, and you false jw's who believe in another jesus have not your names written in the book of life,
you false jw's keep making up things in your head and cannot stop lying



so you lie and say, however i'm glad i don't lie like you do:

Rev_21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.



know nothing false jw max, i'm saying according to God's word, you don't like it, of course you don't



2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Maximus69:
I pray for more to be added so that you can forget about Jehovah's Witnesses. Peace of mind is characterised by living without keeping what you don't want in your brains. So if you truthfully have peace,you would have stopped all these agitation for long.
Where is Salvation101 and the other critics i usually see their posts along with yours before i joined NL?
Peace means you don't allow what you feel is worthless to keep living in your head Sir.
So if you think you have PEACE Mr Hairyrapunzel,try to discuss this with a neutral person perhaps to be sure if i'm just talking off point!

Hairyrapunzel:


There is no harm in criticizing stupidity. I am always here to remind you that your religion is a scam. Not paradise earth, no Armageddon and your gb are not any channel of communication between God and man today.

Take heart. Everything still remains inside your head and you will still die just the way your founding fathers died waiting for the Armageddon inside their heads.

Maximus69:
Sir,in the field of military intelligence it's a crime for any intellectual to deceive himself with stunbborness!
There are thousands of religious organizations teaching people all sort of ideas and analogies,if you've
evet traveled outside Africa this won't surprise you at all. NONE of them can present any valid proof of what they're inculcating in the minds of their followers,all they could do is refer you to books. So what makes the beliefs of JWs so special and unique to you that you can't rest ever since you learnt of their doctrines? I've been to places Sir and i can tell you categorically that JWs are just like one out of thousands of religious ideas taught to be kept in the minds of the adherents!
Sir stop deceiving yourself. If you truthfully have peace, you should have taken them as just one of those religious groups spewing gibberish. But your attitude shows you're not at peace because their presence is killing you as you're damn sure that THEY ARE THE ONLY GROUP HAVING WHAT YOU CAN'T OVERLOOK!

Hairyrapunzel:


Same with your own religion. Yours can't provide any valid proof of what they are inculcating in minds of their followers.

Like I said your wishes and reward for your religion are all inside your heads and in pictures inside your watchtower magazine. It means it is fake not one single thing is real.

I ain't a zombie that will overlook things. I will talk cos there is freedom of speech. I know you are ashamed of your man made doctrines and don't want people to know so you wanna shame me for speaking the truth about the scam you call religion.


Let me tell you once again. I ain't going nowhere. I dey here kamkpe. You think say i be zombie like you abi?

Maximus69:
Sir,in the field of military intelligence it's a crime for any intellectual to deceive himself with stunbborness!
There are thousands of religious organizations teaching people all sort of ideas and analogies,if you've
evet traveled outside Africa this won't surprise you at all. NONE of them can present any valid proof of what they're inculcating in the minds of their followers,all they could do is refer you to books. So what makes the beliefs of JWs so special and unique to you that you can't rest ever since you learnt of their doctrines? I've been to places Sir and i can tell you categorically that JWs are just like one out of thousands of religious ideas taught to be kept in the minds of the adherents!
Sir stop deceiving yourself. If you truthfully have peace, you should have taken them as just one of those religious groups spewing gibberish. But your attitude shows you're not at peace because their presence is killing you as you're damn sure that THEY ARE THE ONLY GROUP HAVING WHAT YOU CAN'T OVERLOOK!

Janosky:


Asalimpo is lying on a public forum just to defend a scam called Trinity
You even have to lie that "100 Bible versions render 1tim3:16 as GOD"

* In actual.fact only a handful of Bible versions sourced from textus receptus or other 14th century manuscripts .

I have questions for you:
** For instance, in page 316 of the 1st edition of your own book,the word "He" is in the first paragraph.

In subsequent editions, the word "He" is no longer in the first paragraph. How would another word find it's way into subsequent editions to take the place of "He"?

**** How old is KJV and its source
text, Textus receptus? Is it the first Bible known to men?
From where did the textus receptus originate?

Janosky:

U really know nothing about the Bible.
In Mark9:43 & matt5:22& seven other verses where the word 'fires of hell' or 'hell fire' is in KJV ,the correct word there is "Gehenna" ( gehinnom in Hebrew . Many bible versions with margin notes or concordance will show you it is Gehenna.That place was a refuse dump,not a place of torment, outside Jerusalem)


This is patently illogical.
The hell verses begin from verse mark9v43-48:
there's nothing in those verses that gives it even the hint of a parable.

Actually Mark9:43 is a parable spoken by Jesus . [b]Actually,it is not. Vs43: "AND IF THY HAND OFFEND THEE (SOUNDS like a parable? Who is the subject? The listener/reader. You! How is that a parable?), cut it off: IT IS BETTER FOR THEE (Who is thee? Who is Jesus talking to? ) TO ENTER INTO LIFE MAIMED, (Which life? The listener is already alive? He's not talking to wood but people. So which life are they entering again?) THAN HAVING TWO HANDS TO GO INTO HELL, (WAIT? THIS IS A contrast. You either enter LIFE or go some place else-HELL. JESUS SAYS "it is better to enter into life". So "life is better" ) INTO (He,Jesus is describing Hell here) THE FIRE THAT SHALL NEVER BE QUENCHED (DO YOU have to have some1 tell what "NEVER BE QUENCHED" MEANS?) V44: WHERE THEIR WORMS DIETH NOT (worms in fire that never dies out. Earthly place?) AND THE FIRE IS NOT (NOT is a negator. It means never. The fire is NEVER) QUENCHED (Jesus and scriptures rarely repeat themselves but this truth is so important that Jesus is repeating it again.) " [/b] Only lying Pharisees come here & make noise to twist the parables of Jesus into some thing else.
You'd have to b biased to interprete those verses as a parable. The listeners have only 2 destinations: life and hell! Jesus tells them that life is better. The heaps of gehenna might have burnt corpses but all ppl werent burnt at it. In the story of lazarus nd the richman the richman wasnt cremated,yet he ended in HELL. How come?
Jesus wouldnt tell living ppl to ENTER INTO LIFE-if this life is all there is.
If they have to ENTER into life,it means they arent in there yet. And they arent in hell yet.
Hell has fire,that is never quenched. This is repeated twice,for emphasis. Very important.
The worms never die.
THIS Hell CANNOT be the grave, NEVER. this HELL isnt earthly. No place has everburning fires.
This hell is the alternative of life.
The richman in the story of lazarus,was in this hell.

brocab:
JW don't believe in Military, they never fought a war-matter of fact they used their religion to shy away from War, you claim to be military, and you claim you were Mafia, again JW's never fought a war..
We war against the Spirit everyday, war against the principalities, against the demons that hide in religious darkness, no-one is against you personality, it's your doctrine that doesn't line up with the Word of God-it's this that is brought to our attention!
Even the world believe's 'Jesus's name-even the demon's believe!
You come to us preaching your doctrine without having any power, without the Holy-Spirit being present, and you believe this is your doctrine everybody should listen to and obey and believe.
In the name of Jehovah-demons can't be cast out, in the name of Jehovah your sick are still sick, the blind are still blind, and your dead are still dead-your doctrine has no power to it's word.

Barristter07:


Stop disgracing your self and go read up on anthropomorphism .

@ Red, You mean they have SEX ORGANS too ?

What happened to your sense Sir ?

Maximus69:
You are you,and i am i Sir. JWs have fought no physical wars YES bought talking of spiritual wars, it's not just lips service we're talking about now,it's what all eyes can SEE.
What are the works of the flesh? Galatians 5:19-21
What are the fruit of the spirit? Galatians 5:22,23
So those conquering with the power from above should be able to diminish the first part in their midst and increase the second part. Jehovah's Witnesses are known for virtuous works and don't forget that i worked all my life with various governmental institutions,so you can be deceived to believe what is not real but i know how much governments spent and where we've fought to keep peace, when Jehovah's Witnesses have posed no threat to our peace keeping strategies. This is very much unlike your so called spirit filled members who are the main cause of the problems for which we are running from pillar to post! Sorry Sir i may not be able to see spirit perhaps you do but i can see Jehovah's Witnesses as a better peace keeping force that's making use of NO weapons!

Maximus69:
I don't chat with minors like you!

Maximus69:
I pray for more to be added so that you can forget about Jehovah's Witnesses. Peace of mind is characterised by living without keeping what you don't want in your brains. So if you truthfully have peace,you would have stopped all these agitation for long.
Where is Salvation101 and the other critics i usually see their posts along with yours before i joined NL?
Peace means you don't allow what you feel is worthless to keep living in your head Sir.
So if you think you have PEACE Mr Hairyrapunzel,try to discuss this with a neutral person perhaps to be sure if i'm just talking off point!

Maximus69:
Sir,in the field of military intelligence it's a crime for any intellectual to deceive himself with stunbborness!
There are thousands of religious organizations teaching people all sort of ideas and analogies,if you've
evet traveled outside Africa this won't surprise you at all. NONE of them can present any valid proof of what they're inculcating in the minds of their followers,all they could do is refer you to books. So what makes the beliefs of JWs so special and unique to you that you can't rest ever since you learnt of their doctrines? I've been to places Sir and i can tell you categorically that JWs are just like one out of thousands of religious ideas taught to be kept in the minds of the adherents!
Sir stop deceiving yourself. If you truthfully have peace, you should have taken them as just one of those religious groups spewing gibberish. But your attitude shows you're not at peace because their presence is killing you as you're damn sure that THEY ARE THE ONLY GROUP HAVING WHAT YOU CAN'T OVERLOOK!