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Maximus69:
My guy,God said the LIFE of all earthly creatures is in their BLOOD! Leviticus 17:14
So if angels arrange for materialised bodies, do they also possess BLOOD which is meant to preserve earthly creatures?
Ha! JWs na Baba!

the problem with you people,if sincere is that, you dont know how to interprete scriptures.
You also cherrypick what to believe,what suits ur theology.

The bible also says that you are a spirit and that physical death is separation of spirit from body . So , how dyu reconcile that with the life of the flesh is in the blood?
Note that it is THE LIFE OF THE FLESH not the life of the person. Iow,your body is a blood-based system. Perfectly scientific.
In proverbs it alludes to how your spirit affects the body:
the SPIRIT of a man will sustain him in infirmity


a broken spirit drieth up the bones
so a man is more than flesh , he is spirit,soul nd body. 1thes5v23.

An angel assuming a body changes nothing neither does it negate other scriptures. There isnt any information to tell what kind of body they have. Using that as the bases for disqualifcation is dubious .

asalimpo:
they are seeing His body. Apparently they werent talking to a non-physical being! Even angels (spirits) had to assume fleshly form to relate with humans.
Conjectures can b made about why He wasnt readily recognized but there's no conclusive scriptural backing for such. Elevating them to conclusive canon is adding to d word.

So if you don't know[understand] ask for the understanding NOT arguing when someone is giving you the chance to grasp it!
They recognized him all the while he was still with them,now that he has suddenly became unrecognisable Paul said it is due to the resurrection of born agains,they die as humans and resurrect as spirits! 1Corinthins 15:44,45
So it is written in the scriptures but if you don't know how to correlate it,stop arguing when someone is helping you to do so.
Hatred against JWs is the problem you people have, but instead of calming down to gain wisdom you'll be dwelling on what your greedy Pastors who aren't trustworthy taught you,even when you can see clearly that JWs are making viable points!

asalimpo:
the problem with you people,if sincere is that, you dont know how to interprete scriptures.
You also cherrypick what to believe,what suits ur theology.

The bible also says that you are a spirit and that physical death is separation of spirit from body . So , how dyu reconcile that with the life of the flesh is in the blood?
Note that it is THE LIFE OF THE FLESH not the life of the person. Iow,your body is a blood-based system. Perfectly scientific.
In proverbs it alludes to how your spirit affects the body:
the SPIRIT of a man will sustain him in infirmity


a broken spirit drieth up the bones
so a man is more than flesh , he is spirit,soul nd body. 1thes5v23.

An angel assuming a body changes nothing neither does it negate other scriptures. There isnt any information to tell what kind of body they have. Using that as the bases for disqualifcation is dubious .

Which scripture led to that your own interpretation that man is spirit,soul and body?
What i remember is that all creatures made from dust have the same SPIRIT[force activating their bodies] Ecclesiastes 3:19,20
God told Ezekiel 'SOUL will die' Ezekiel 18:4
Don't forget your word that any conclusive CANON is tantamount to adding to God's word.
So show me where the Bible said that a human being comprises of both body,spirit and soul?

Maximus69:
Which scripture led to that your own interpretation that man is spirit,soul and body?
What i remember is that all creatures made from dust have the same SPIRIT[force activating their bodies] Ecclesiastes 3:19,20
God told Ezekiel 'SOUL will die' Ezekiel 18:4
Don't forget your word that any conclusive CANON is tantamount to adding to God's word.
So show me where the Bible said that a human being comprises of both body,spirit and soul?

the bible is full of such. First look up those proverb verses i quoted.
2) it is a satanic lie that spirit is inanimate energy .

The REAL YOU IS A SPIRIT BEING. Your body is the HOUSE of your spirit.
Anyone home?
God is a spirit,satan and his demons are spirits ( didnt those demons talk with Jesus? Begging Him , questioning Him,answering Him? Does a force do that?).
As a spirit you are in God's image.

Anyway,here is a verse on these things:
show ur jw teacher.
and the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and i pray God your whole SPIRIT (1) and SOUL (2) and BODY (3 last) - 1 thess5v23.
This is your composition= you are a tripartite being.
James2v26: For as the BODY without the SPIRIT is DEAD ...
The body dies WHEN THE SPIRIT in it DEPARTS IT!
Job32v8[b] But there is a spirit (where?) IN man: the inspiration of the Almighty (this spirit is from God. When God breathed into adam's body,a spirit got into adam. When a baby is being formed in the womb God puts a spirit in that body), giveth them understanding (your intellect isnt just from your brain,it is also from your spirit) [/b]
see also eccl11v5.
Prov20v27 The SPIRIT of Man (distinct from God's spirit,angels, evil spirits) is the candle of the Lord ... God guides and leads you by the real you-your spirit.

Still in doubt? Many more verses about esp in the NT

@maximus69
i understand that sometimes the bible uses the word soul interchangeably either to mean person or people (you never see the word person or people in the bible . Rather u see soul/souls) or as the second component in the human composition. You therefore have to read the passage in context to extract the meaning.
They're verses illustrating this point.

Rightly divide the word of truth.

Maximus69:
So if you don't know[understand] ask for the understanding NOT arguing when someone is giving you the chance to grasp it!
They recognized him all the while he was still with them,now that he has suddenly became unrecognisable Paul said it is due to the resurrection of born agains,they die as humans and resurrect as spirits! 1Corinthins 15:44,45
So it is written in the scriptures but if you don't know how to correlate it,stop arguing when someone is helping you to do so.
Hatred against JWs is the problem you people have, but instead of calming down to gain wisdom you'll be dwelling on what your greedy Pastors who aren't trustworthy taught you,even when you can see clearly that JWs are making viable points!

we could talk about this. Have u seen and do you agree with the scriptures that YOU,THE REAL YOU, is a spirit? I gave u scriptures on those. Or u still wanna argue it and deny it? We christians believe differently. You jws ... Smh

Emusan:
Pure lie... Materialize body means it contains what make human human ...while transformed body means it's still human but function differently unlike before...

Christ resurrection is a format in which the Saints body will be...so If you agreed that materialised body isn't fully human then it means those who will resurrect aren't going to be human again.

Big lie, if that is the case those angels won't have given birth to superhuman child's . it only look human but not an human . its an human that depend on blood to survive.

asalimpo:
they are seeing His body. Apparently they werent talking to a non-physical being! Even angels (spirits) had to assume fleshly form to relate with humans.
Conjectures can b made about why He wasnt readily recognized but there's no conclusive scriptural backing for such. Elevating them to conclusive canon is adding to d word.

Note that their brain is working . one of them comments that with the way he was explaining scripture he was having a feeling its him . if he appeared in the same body he died in which they knew, they would have use that same Brain to know. Clearly he was in a form different from who they know .

Emusan:
Always twisting the scripture to suit your demonic doctrines.


The Bible says "the life of ALL FLESH...." see how you purposely change it to "EARTHLY CREATURES" because you realized your demonic organization has already claimed Jesus appeared in FLESHLY BODIES...

Please with reference(s) tell us the meaning of FLESHLY BODIES?

If Jesus actually appeared in fleshly bodies and no blood running on it, it means the fleshy bodies just covered the SPIRIT Being of Jesus and those Angels, do you agree?

A very idiotic reply , you said a transform body of FLESH can run without blood . apply your logic to it and see how idiotic you sound. Maximus69 has given you the true meaning of that statement, instead of you to humble and learn .

Okay, if the bible says the life of ALL flesh refers to anything flesh either angelic or not, that means your theory of transform body can't stand . its flesh and must require blood.

Emusan:
See ignorance!

Jesus share in FLESH and BLOOD of ADAM, it's need to because it's the offspring of Adam He came to rescue.

Hello . pack this rubbish u vomitted

It doesn't need to if materialized angels Share in the Same Flesh and BLOOD of ADAM . all he need to do is materialize . not waste time growing to adulthood.

Animals have blood, yet they aren't human because they have flesh and blood...

Ever heard the term " Earthly man " ?
The description flesh and blood is saying the man is earthly . come and tell me angels are earthly

Go back to my previous post to see where I provided proof for the meaning of MATERIALISE! Spirit can't materialize without being human at that particular period.

even your organization uses FLESHLY BODIES

Please how does a fleshly body look like?

How did they give birth to Mighty Nephilims if your theory holds water ?

asalimpo:
we could talk about this. Have u seen and do you agree with the scriptures that YOU,THE REAL YOU, is a spirit? I gave u scriptures on those. Or u still wanna argue it and deny it? We christians believe differently. You jws ... Smh

Spirits are intelligent beings but at death the SPIRIT[life force] in you and i can't think,feel nor remember anything independently of our body! Psalms 146:3,4 compare to Ecclesiastes 9:6
Even Ecclesiastes 3:19,20 said all earthly creatures e.g goat, fish, bird, worm, ant and human have the same kind of life~force[SPIRIT], according to my own understanding it is the breath of life that God blew into Adam's nostril that keep him living! Don't come back arguing that other creatures weren't given the same life~force because they all breath!

Maximus69:
Spirits are intelligent beings but at death the SPIRIT[life force] in you and i can't think,feel nor remember anything independently of our body! Psalms 146:3,4 compare to Ecclesiastes 9:6
Even Ecclesiastes 3:19,20 said all earthly creatures e.g goat, fish, bird, worm, ant and human have the same kind of life~force[SPIRIT], according to my own understanding it is the breath of life that God blew into Adam's nostril that keep him living! Don't come back arguing that other creatures weren't given the same life~force because they all breath!

Brilliant . the surprising thing is this same person that said the spirit is the real you has quickly forgotten that it means the real person of the man called Jesus is a spirit . therefore didn't die for anyone

it also means Jesus was in heaven the day he died since he commit his spirit to his Father , Yet days later he confirmed he has never went to his Father .

Barristter07:
Brilliant . the surprising thing is this same person that said the spirit is the real you has quickly forgotten that it means the real person of the man called Jesus is a spirit . therefore didn't die for anyone

it also means Jesus was in heaven the day he died since he commit his spirit to his Father , Yet days later he confirmed he has never went to his Father .

Please this is becoming more and more interesting Sir, i thought of coming to join them in ridiculing JWs but now i know they're the spiritually blind ones claiming clear sight! So i can speak convincingly from the Bible within just 9 months of studying the Bible with JWs
Abeg Barrister shey i fit open my own church now so that i go minus the things wey them no like,add wetin them wan hear,and begin collect tithes plus offering from them? At least me sef go become DANGEROUSLY rich with four private jets!
Jehovah's Witnesses,thank you o!

CANTICLES:
Big lie, if that is the case those angels won't have given birth to superhuman child's . it only look human but not an human . its an human that depend on blood to survive.

Firstly, the theory of angel having sex with woman is pure lie and delusions of JWs and some denominations.

But let's assume it's true based on this discussion...

Can you give us the description of this SUPERHUMAN and are you saying the Nephilim didn't live by BLOOD?

In fact for the word HUMAN to have appeared means they are FULLY human.

Below is a picture from your organization and please do tell us what the picture depicted?

Maximus69:
Spirits are intelligent beings but at death the SPIRIT[life force] in you and i can't think,feel nor remember anything independently of our body! Psalms 146:3,4 compare to Ecclesiastes 9:6
Even Ecclesiastes 3:19,20 said all earthly creatures e.g goat, fish, bird, worm, ant and human have the same kind of life~force[SPIRIT], according to my own understanding it is the breath of life that God blew into Adam's nostril that keep him living! Don't come back arguing that other creatures weren't given the same life~force because they all breath!

Iow, God is a spirit, then bird's animals, are spirits too! Man is also a spirit . Is this what you r saying?
According to you, man is no better than an animal? Besides where is it called "life force"? That term sounds very occultic!

Emusan:
Firstly, the theory of angel having sex with woman is pure lie and delusions of JWs and some denominations.

The Bible say 'the sons of God had relations with the daughters of men'
Jehovah's Witnesses's interpretation says the 'sons of God' means angels.
Oya talk your own make i hear. Who are those sons of God?
Because the only time God had sons apart from angels is after he poured out holy spirit and anointed humans, this was possible because they have been counted worthy through faith in the blood of Jesus!
So Pastor Emusan, present your own interpretation Sir.
Gods sons had sex with daughters of men means what?
Abeg Jehovah's Witnesses nah Baba!

asalimpo:
Iow, God is a spirit, then bird's animals, are spirits too! Man is also a spirit . Is this what you r saying?
According to you, man is no better than an animal? Besides where is it called "life force"? That term sounds very occultic!

Bible said at death man is no better than animals! Ecclesiastes 3:19,20
It's when we're still breathing that we are higher than them,but at death we all return to dust!
The term 'life force' simply makes it easy for any intellectual to grasp the message!

CANTICLES:
Hello . pack this rubbish u vomitted

It doesn't need to if materialized angels Share in the Same Flesh and BLOOD of ADAM . all he need to do is materialize . not waste time growing to adulthood.



Ever heard the term " Earthly man " ?
The description flesh and blood is saying the man is earthly . come and tell me angels are earthly

Your ignorance becomes more glaring the more...

Who says Angels are human?

After I have shown enough evidence on this thread to explain the word MATERIALISE you can still be spewing this rubbish...

Last point....to materialised means to have everything that make human human at that very period....

So to say angels materialized and yet they aren't FULLY human means materialize didn't occur or render the word useless.

How did they give birth to Mighty Nephilims if your theory holds water ?

Are nephilims human or not?

If your answer is yes or no, give us the description of what they are....

Just so unfortunate that I couldn't attached the picture of your organization about nephilim.

CANTICLES:
A very idiotic reply , you said a transform body of FLESH can run without blood . apply your logic to it and see how idiotic you sound. Maximus69 has given you the true meaning of that statement, instead of you to humble and learn .

Okay, if the bible says the life of ALL flesh refers to anything flesh either angelic or not, that means your theory of transform body can't stand . its flesh and must require blood.

That's why I said wisdom is far from you...

"The Life of flesh is in the blood" Notice it was your brother who first brought this to explain that those angels MATERIALIZED must have had BLOOD.

Now, what is my position on this thread? it shows how you people always jumping from one point to another without addressing the main point.

My point is that for angels to MATERIALIZE means they actually became FULLY HUMAN within that period....

In fact this is supported by the story of Angels who God sent to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah...for the men in that city to have taken step to have sexual intercourse with them...it means they're actually fully human...if it's just a materialized body (not fully human) then such scenario can never happen.

Lastly, none of you has ever addressed this my point but always boycotting it...

I asked, if there is no blood in the fleshy body of materialized angels...and the body can't function on its own. doesn't it mean the fleshy bodies just cover the real spirit of angels

Maximus69:
The Bible say 'the sons of God had relations with the daughters of men'
Jehovah's Witnesses's interpretation says the 'sons of God' means angels.
Oya talk your own make i hear. Who are those sons of God?
Because the only time God had sons apart from angels is after he poured out holy spirit and anointed humans, this was possible because they have been counted worthy through faith in the blood of Jesus!
So Pastor Emusan, present your own interpretation Sir.
Gods sons had sex with daughters of men means what?
Abeg Jehovah's Witnesses nah Baba!

You're so dull to the extent that I don't know what I can compare you with...actually I can't discuss scripture with you because I've realized that you are supposed to join children department for Bible stories first before graduating to Bible study.

Look at the @bolden and @color tell me if you know one thing in the Bible

Adam was called the Son of God...even before the fall...yet you can open your dirty mouth to say... "Because the only time God had sons apart from angels is after he poured out holy spirit and anointed humans"

asalimpo:
Iow, God is a spirit, then bird's animals, are spirits too! Man is also a spirit . Is this what you r saying?
According to you, man is no better than an animal? Besides where is it called "life force"? That term sounds very occultic!

Asalimpo's problem is he doesn't know that the term 'spirit' has more than one meaning in the holy scriptures. In his brain scrubbed pharisaic mind ,'spirit' is strictly a supernatural entity.

asalimpo:
they are seeing His body. Apparently they werent talking to a non-physical being! Even angels (spirits) had to assume fleshly form to relate with humans.
Conjectures can b made about why He wasnt readily recognized but there's no conclusive scriptural backing for such. Elevating them to conclusive canon is adding to d word.

**
It's no conjecture.
"Jesus put to death in the physical realm but was made alive in the spiritual realm" 1peter3:18

Christ suffered dishonor (died as criminal) and entered into his glory (Luke 24:26 .1cor15:43-45).


****"Afterward Jesus appeared in a different form to two of them" (Mark16:12)
Jesus form that Mary saw was different to what his two disciples saw on the road from Emmaus and different from what the eleven saw.

The result?
Only the ones who saw Jesus actually believed that Jesus had risen from the dead ,others were not convinced ( Mark16:11-14)

Emusan:
That's why I said wisdom is far from you...

"The Life of flesh is in the blood" Notice it was your brother who first brought this to explain that those angels MATERIALIZED must have had BLOOD.

Flesh in that scripture refers to earthly creatures, he must have brought it to prove that as they are not a Creature of this earth, they do not need blood to sustain a materialized flesh.

Now, what is my position on this thread? it shows how you people always jumping from one point to another without addressing the main point.

My point is that for angels to MATERIALIZE means they actually became FULLY HUMAN within that period....

They are not humans , Birth of Nephilims are only recorded through their sexual relationship . this are giant and mighty men , Bullies . Definitely you can't compare that with You and I, or Shem, Ham and Japheth that are birthed by earthly humans.

Compare the John 3:13 quoted by Barrister , No human ascend or came down from heaven except the son of man.

In fact this is supported by the story of Angels who God sent to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah...for the men in that city to have taken step to have sexual intercourse with them...it means they're actually fully human...if it's just a materialized body (not fully human) then such scenario can never happen.

Lastly, none of you has ever addressed this my point but always boycotting it...

Externally, appear human . but the workings of their body and the energy around them is beyond this world . so same reason they can have sex and eat . but the result of their Sexual relationship wasn't normal men but giant humans

I asked, if there is no blood in the fleshy body of materialized angels...and the body can't function on its own. doesn't it mean the fleshy bodies just cover the real spirit of angels

Cover which spirit, that makes two different beings? A materialized body is just a visible form to behold and get the message across.

That's why you struggle to answer: if they need blood to sustain themselves , why can't Christ be sent as a materialized person rather than born ?

asalimpo:
the problem with you people,if sincere is that, you dont know how to interprete scriptures.
You also cherrypick what to believe,what suits ur theology.

The bible also says that you are a spirit and that physical death is separation of spirit from body . So , how dyu reconcile that with the life of the flesh is in the blood?
Note that it is THE LIFE OF THE FLESH not the life of the person. Iow,your body is a blood-based system. Perfectly scientific.
In proverbs it alludes to how your spirit affects the body:
the SPIRIT of a man will sustain him in infirmity


a broken spirit drieth up the bones
so a man is more than flesh , he is spirit,soul nd body. 1thes5v23.

An angel assuming a body changes nothing neither does it negate other scriptures. There isnt any information to tell what kind of body they have. Using that as the bases for disqualifcation is dubious

The coco wey JWs know you no fit know am,even if you go all the seminary for this world.
1.thess5:23 never said that !
A spirit being is liable to be a "broken spirit" so says the brain scrubbed pharisee.
I no fit laugh.

Janosky:
The coco wey JWs know you no fit know am,even if you go all the seminary for this world.
1.thess5:23 never said that !
A spirit being is liable to be a "broken spirit" so says the brain scrubbed pharisee.
I no fit laugh.

CULTS always claim to hav some secret esoteric knowledge which gives them an edge over outsiders,no be so? A cult tht couldnt get a single prphecy right in over 100 yrs! A drunk rtard couldav done better. Stay with ur cult but dont try to tell us what d bible says, we're not so gullible.
of course, 1thes5v23 is A PARABLE or the GREEK really says ... Go ahead greek scholar tell us what body means in greek cuz the translators couldnt do a better job!

Emusan:
Your ignorance becomes more glaring the more...

Who says Angels are human?

After I have shown enough evidence on this thread to explain the word MATERIALISE you can still be spewing this rubbish...

Last point.... to materialised means to have everything that make human human at that very period....

So to say angels materialized and yet they aren't FULLY human means materialize didn't occur or render the word useless.



Are nephilims human or not?

If your answer is yes or no, give us the description of what they are....

Just so unfortunate that I couldn't attached the picture of your organization about nephilim.

I told you Materialize Is just a visible form to behold , Apply your definition to the below angel that speak to the women at Jesus tomb

" His [an angel] appearance was like lightning , and his clothing was as white as snow " Matthew 28:2,3

Humans have an appearance like lightning ? He needed blood to lighten up his appearance ? You don't know shi shi about the topic u are discussing .

Emusan

My point is that for angels to MATERIALIZE means they actually became FULLY HUMAN within that period....

8 And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. 9 An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. " ( Luk 2:8,9 NIV)

Does this visible manifestation make this angels humans to you ? Humans have glory around them or terrifying appearance ? This one looks like he had blood , right ? Nonsense

Apply your definition .

Janosky:
**
It's no conjecture.
"Jesus put to death in the physical realm but was made alive in the spiritual realm" 1peter3:18

Christ suffered dishonor (died as criminal) and entered into his glory (Luke 24:26 .1cor15:43-45).


****"Afterward Jesus appeared in a different form to two of them" (Mark16:12)
Jesus form that Mary saw was different to what his two disciples saw on the road from Emmaus and different from what the eleven saw.

The result?
Only the ones who saw Jesus actually believed that Jesus had risen from the dead ,others were not convinced ( Mark16:11-14)

so what have u proved? Spirits cant be killed? Stephen was stoned but his spirit wasnt stoned. Couldnt be.
Jesus was crucified but He gave up the ghost and committed His spirit to God.
The thief killed by him was gonna meet with Jesus that very day in another place? How could this be-if physical death was the end?
The richman died yet in hell he lifted up his eyes? How possible?
Lazarus,likewise died, but was carried by angels, what was carried?his decaying corpse?
1kings17v22. The child Elijah prayed for ONLY BECAME ALIVE after soul of the child came into him again and he revived.

Point spirits dont die.
Jesus had a glorified body that's y it could do all those amazing things like walk thru walls, appear nd dissapear at will, and appear differently. This is the fate of all believers- Jesus is the first fruit, all believers will b like this. Has nothing to do with spirit etc

CANTICLES:
8 And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. 9 An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. " ( Luk 2:8,9 NIV)

Does this visible manifestation look Human to you ? Humans have glory around them or terrifying appearance ? This one looks like he had blood , right ? Nonsense

Apply your definition .

obviously this angels didnt take on human form. But were visible to the shepherds. This is a different scenario. The angel that rolled back the stone at the tomb, didnt take on human form. He was obviously a mighty angel because his form alone struck great fear into the gaurds. So in these instances one can say that God allowed man see into the spirit realm. In the book of kings as an angel was massacring isreal for David's sins,David saw him! God allowed David see into the spirit.

Janosky:
Asalimpo's problem is he doesn't know that the term 'spirit' has more than one meaning in the holy scriptures. In his brain scrubbed pharisaic mind ,'spirit' is strictly a supernatural entity.

dude,the scriptures interprete itself. Soul can b interpreted as Person or component of man's tripartite being. The context can explain what a word means. The bible says - there is a spirit in man.
2) man's spirit keeps the body alive
3) at death both soul nd spirit depart d body
4) God guides man by his ,man's,spirit
5) your spirit is the most important part of your being
6) God is a spirit
to read all these and still come to d shitty conlusions jw feeds you ppl is amazing.

asalimpo:
obviously this angels didnt take on human form. But were visible to the shepherds. This is a different scenario. The angel that rolled back the stone at the tomb, didnt take on human form. He was obviously a mighty angel because his form alone struck great fear into the gaurds. So in these instances one can say that God allowed man see into the spirit realm. In the book of kings as an angel was massacring isreal for David's sins,David saw him! God allowed David see into the spirit.

Visible means in a Material form ( Materialize) that can be seen Bodily . that Angel that roll wears a white cloth don't forget ? On which body ? a visible bodily form. Tell me it has blood . Materialize isn't about human or becoming human , its been visible .

Maximus69:
Bible said at death man is no better than animals! Ecclesiastes 3:19,20
It's when we're still breathing that we are higher than them,but at death we all return to dust!
The term 'life force' simply makes it easy for any intellectual to grasp the message!

you deliberately limit ur scriptures to those that support ur erroneous views. Why dont u mention other scriptures that shred ur views to pieces? Why cherry pick ? Your views dont mean anything. Only d truth matters.

True. Solomon said man is no better than animals
but Jesus said we are more valuable than animals (better than sparrows) ! Obviously contradictory statemnts,which do u chose? How dyu reconcile the two (or more contradictory verses)? You PICK the one you want to believe?