shadeyinka:

[s]When you can't defend your lies, why wouldn't you fear the truth?

You called me didn't you? Islam as usual hides under falsehood and misinformation. I don't blame you as you can't answer my elementary questions and you can't say what I said was not the truth[/s]

shadeyinka:


And the WORD became HUMAN!
John1:14

Empiree:
^^^

Attachment is for you and your buddy, shadeyinka

sagenaija:
Empiree, Another video confirming your position:

Christian Prince The Kabba Black Stone a PAGAN Fertility Symbol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNbdgWXEATQ

Empiree:
What do you expect from someone who doesnt believe in Allah and His messanger?. I have talked about Black Stone so i am not going back to that. Imagine you being a christians and atheist is trying to teach you Bible?.

sagenaija:

You are wrong!
Christian Prince actually uses Islamic sources and
the interpretations of Islamic scholars to buttress his points.

Like i stated at the start:Christian Prince was born and raised in a Christian family in the Middle East. He is a native Arabic speaker. After his teachers criticized his religion, he determined to study Islam and earned a degree in Islamic Law (Sharia Law) & Civil Law. This makes him qualified to be a Judge in Islamic court, having intimate knowledge of the foundational Islamic texts.

And like mentioned to Abuheekmat when he wrote:"Earning a degree won't make you understand Islam."
I said:
If learning about Islam won't make a person understand it what then will make one understand Islam?

So also, if using Islamic sources and scholars cannot be accepted
by you guys simply because the person quoting it is not a Moslem
then it means you just do not want to go with the truth of even your
own religion.

You may therefore have created ANOTHER ISLAM of your own making
and not that which your books have revealed.

Empiree:
He's right about that. There are bunch of people in universities and graduated with 'degrees' but in reality, they got their credits by cheating or buying scores. Our prophet(saw) said there are people who read Quran but it doesnt go down their throat. This is the case of CP. I have no way of verifying authenticity of his credentials. Even if he got degrees in Islamic theology, this is useless if he believe in trinity or Jesus is God thing. It means he doesn't understand islamic theology in the first place.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hLJuF4Ugow

sagenaija:


That guy in that video is misleading and misrepresenting the facts.

Christianity IS NOT Judaism.

Not all that is in the Bible is instruction for Christians to follow.

The Christian belongs to a New Covenant.

The prescriptions for the Christian come LARGELY from the New Testament.

Using what was done in a previous era to LABEL Christians is either
at the least a misunderstanding of the issues or at best an expedition into deception.

If that guy can point to ANYWHERE in the New Testament to justify his claim I will be
the first to admit that he is right otherwise he is only being mischievous and deceptive.

Unlike the koran, the Bible has what applies to the Jews and what applies to Christians.
That distinction has to be understood.

Does any part of the koran apply to ONLY Mohamed's time and others to today's or
does it apply to Moslems of all eras?

So, hope its clearer to you now.

Empiree:
Hypocrisy as usual. :DIf Old Testament is now invalid, why do you still carry it around your arms to the church?. Why do you still quote from it and why do you use it to support Israel/Jews?.

If Old testament is outdated, why would Jesus say, as recorded in New Testament that you have your Laws to follow?. Is Jesus talking to the Jews in the NT about following the old Laws?. If Jesus was talking to the Jews about old Laws in the New testament, the implication is that NT has nothing to do with christians. Man, your New Testament was filtered. It was created to expunge important messages of Jesus.

Throughout history of man, there have always been Laws. But you are saying that christians are free of any biblical laws. This is ignorance

sagenaija:

We still carry the whole Bible because it is part of what Jehovah has determined to REVEAL to mankind.

We still quote from it because it is still God’s word.

The Jews are God’s chosen race that he has a plan for.

The Old Testament is outdated only to the extent that the New Covenant specify. So, the New explains the Old. Where the New supersedes the Old the New makes clear. Where the New substantiates the Old it is equally made clear.

Jesus came to the Jews as God’s chosen race but he made it clear that he was starting with them but extending his work beyond them.

That we are under the New Covenant DOES NOT mean that we are lawless. Even the New Testament confirms this.

Empiree:
this verse you cited is general rule. The same process applied to Adam and his progeny (sura 15:29)

shadeyinka:

Since you don't read, let me help you out

John1:1-4
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.


And the WORD became HUMAN!
John1:14

So in what way was it like the process of Adam?

Empiree:
So far, you are the one who came to this conclusion not Jesus.

"the Word was God's"

NOT

"the Word was God."

from greek language it means God's not God

Empiree:
You shot yourself in the foot. Now, pay attention to highlighted. If you agree you are not lawless, what law do you follow then?. I am not talking about common law or english law or our man made laws. Which God's Law do you follow?

sagenaija:

We follow the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

shadeyinka:


So, I'm here to help you so that you can point out "the words was God's": Google is your friend remember!

JOHN 1:1-5
1 Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος 2 Οὗτος ἦν ἐν ἀρχῇ πρὸς τὸν Θεόν 3 πάντα δι’ αὐτοῦ ἐγένετο καὶ χωρὶς αὐτοῦ ἐγένετο οὐδὲ ἕν ὃ γέγονεν 4 ἐν αὐτῷ ζωὴ ἦν καὶ ἡ ζωὴ ἦν τὸ φῶς τῶν ἀνθρώπων 5 καὶ τὸ φῶς ἐν τῇ σκοτίᾳ φαίνει καὶ ἡ σκοτία αὐτὸ οὐ κατέλαβεν


If laziness will not destroy you and lies are not your means of survival, I have helped you here with an interlinear translation (Word for word translation from Greek into English) so that you can verify your untruth. Here is the link; hope you find what you're looking for.

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/1.htm

Even if the word was God's as you claim simple sense will let you see that this same word BECAME human. Did Gods word become Adam or did God not make Adam?

Empiree:
no same person would accept Christianity. Bible says that God is not man

‘God is not a man’ (Numbers 23:19)

‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9)

Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible

‘a man who has told you the truth’ (John 8:40)

‘Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)

‘He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed’ (Acts 17:31)

‘the man Christ Jesus’ (Tim. 2:5)


There are 90 verses that say: Jesus is Not God Nor the Literal Son of God. To a christian, God had to take human form to understand temptation and human suffering, but the concept is not based on any clear words of Jesus. In contrast, God does not need to be tempted and suffer in order to be able to understand and forgive man’s sins, for He is the all knowing Creator of man. This is expressed in the verse:

‘And the Lord said: ‘I have surely seen the affliction of My people that are in Egypt, and I have heard their cry because of their taskmasters; for I know their pains.’ (Exodus 3:7)

God forgave sin before Jesus’ appearance, and He continues to forgive without any assistance. When a believer sins, he may come before God in sincere repentance to receive forgiveness. Indeed, the offer to humble oneself before God and be saved is made to all humankind.

‘And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.’ (Isaiah 45:21-22, Jonah 3:5-10).

Christians who came from a Greek or Roman background, later misused this term. Just one they misused 'son of God'. In their heritage, ‘son of God’ signified an incarnation of a god or someone born of a physical union between male and female gods. This can be seen in Acts 14: 11-13, where we read that when Paul and Barnabas preached in a city of Turkey, pagans claimed they were gods incarnate. They called Barnabas the Roman god Zeus, and Paul the Roman god Hermes.


The Bible says that Jesus denied he is God

Jesus spoke to a man who had called him ‘good,’ asking him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.’ (Luke 18:19)

And he said to him, ‘Why are you asking me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.’ (Matthew 19:17)

Jesus did not teach people that he was God

If Jesus had been telling people that he was God, he would have complimented the man. Instead, Jesus rebuked him, denying he was good, that is, Jesus denied he was God.

The Bible says that God is greater than Jesus

‘My Father is greater than I’ (John 14:28)

‘My father is greater than all.’ (John 10:29)

Jesus can not be God if God is greater than him. The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear words from Jesus.

Jesus never instructed his disciples to worship him

‘When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.’ (Luke 11:2)

‘In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever you ask of the Father in my name.’ (John 16:23)

‘The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.’ (John 4:23)

If Jesus was God, he would have sought worship for himself

Since he didn’t, instead he sought worship for God in the heavens, therefore, he was not God.

shadeyinka:

I can see that instead of apologizing for the lies you peddled about the Greek Bible saying "... God's word" , you have decided to present several scriptures that contradict your Qur'an. I have just highlighted some for you

This same Jesus will judge the world including Muslims of righteousness whether you like it or not.


Jesus called God "My Father": then is He not the Son of God?
Clearly, God is NOT a man, BUT God became man. Is the English too difficult to understand?

If Buhari came to your house and served you like a houseboy, does that make him a houseboy?

One of the greatest weakness of Islam is lack of comprehension of the purpose of Blood sacrifice. Interestingly, the only blood sacrifice you know in Islam has to do with Abraham's sacrifice.

So, who invented blood sacrifice? Shaitan?
Why do you think God prescribed blood sacrifices for his people?


Secondly, the concept and gravity of sin in Islam is warped. What do you think is the gravity of violating the command of the almighty, all-knowing, all-holy and perfect God? You know what the scriptures say!?


Hebrews 9:22
Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

That is the rule of God from all the prophets of God from Adam to Jesus. Only Mohammed and Muslims are exceptions. Why!? They do not serve the same God who prescribed blood as atonement for sin.

Empiree:
quite unfortunate that you can't seem to figure out your contradictions. And you stooped low to compare Buhari in this regard. The question is who is Jesus?. God or man?

Your many Bible verses clearly show Jesus said God/Father is one and separate from him. But you ignored these verses and relied on isolated controversial verse which was misunderstood from Greek. I gave you example but you claimed I didn't apologize for it?.

All the Bible verses I posted conformed with Islam but you looked the other way. The reason for this is bcus you relied on a controversial verse that suits you.

My question is, if Jesus is man and God at the same time, who created Adam?

Jesus did not exist before Adam. Adam did not mention anything about Jesus. He mentioned God. Jesus can not be God and man at the same time. If that's the case, when he was a man on Earth who was in control of the heavens?. Did he put heavens on auto pilot?

To be a man is to have limitations. To be God is to have none. Which one was Jesus?.

So you can see very close resemblance btw theòs and otheòs. Very easy to swipe Jesus for God vice versa because Greeks were polytheists

Empiree:
quite unfortunate that you can't seem to figure out your contradictions. And you stooped low to compare Buhari in this regard. The question is who is Jesus?. God or man?

Your many Bible verses clearly show Jesus said God/Father is one and separate from him. But you ignored these verses and relied on isolated controversial verse which was misunderstood from Greek. I gave you example but you claimed I didn't apologize for it?.

All the Bible verses I posted conformed with Islam but you looked the other way. The reason for this is bcus you relied on a controversial verse that suits you.

My question is, if Jesus is man and God at the same time, who created Adam?

Jesus did not exist before Adam. Adam did not mention anything about Jesus. He mentioned God. Jesus can not be God and man at the same time. If that's the case, when he was a man on Earth who was in control of the heavens?. Did he put heavens on auto pilot?

To be a man is to have limitations. To be God is to have none. Which one was Jesus?.

So you can see very close resemblance btw theòs and otheòs. Very easy to swipe Jesus for God vice versa because Greeks were polytheists

Empiree:


When you typed this and before you posted it, you didn't smile and say to yourself "I am a joke"?

The law of the "Holy Spirit" is in your Book. There are just few of them:

Kill gay

Kill whoever disrespect their parents

Kill fornicators and adulterers

Kill kill kill kill at any offense. That's the Law in your book. Why are you running away from it?

MuttleyLaff:
1/ Are you by any stretch, implying that, it is

MuttleyLaff:
1/ Are you by any stretch, implying that, it is impossible for God to be in two places at the same time?

2/ Are you, implying that it is impossible for God to project Himself?

3/ Are you implying that it is a hard thing for God to do becoming God and man at the same time?

4/ You say: "Jesus did not exist before Adam. Adam did not mention anything about Jesus. He mentioned God" but are you aware of Jesus' words that said: "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM" and the implication of that

5/ You do understand, agree and accept that Jesus is the Word, right? You do, huh?

6/ You asked: "when he was a man on Earth who was in control of the heavens?. Did he put heavens on auto pilot?"
Dont you know who is God the Father then?

sagenaija:
Christian Prince - was Rahman Added in Some Verses After. Ultimate Fart is Confused Again
Is the koran as straightforward as it claims?
Why is it not chronological which adds to all the confusion?
How come words that did not come in the first revelations
suddenly find themselves in the chapters of the earlier
revelations?
Can E.mpiree clear all this contradictions or does he need to refer to
his Sheikh?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAhIQvrfCEs

Empiree:
Sounds like CP is your newly founded religious guide. That's your problem. I am not amazed by what CP is doing. He is only fulfilling our prophecies. Many did worse than him and they are in their grave now facing consequences and those alive are non existence. As you could hear CP in the clip say "good day to our muslims with 4 wives and 60 children" making fun of himself.

Anyways, answer to your question is, order of verses of Quran is predicted in your Bible, the Book of Isaiah 28 :10 KJV


"For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little"


And you keep jumping from one topic to another bcuz you dont trust yourself enough.

sagenaija:

It's either that you can refute CP or you're not. It's as simple as that. If you can't refute him then be HUMBLE enough to admit that he is right.

Do you believe that portion and book of the Bible you've quoted? If so, can we look into it more carefully?

You're free to take me back to any area you want clarification on. This thread is not restricted to any particular topic. What I can clearly see is that you have been unable to come up with clear responses to the posts I have made. I have challenged you to show me certain things but you have been unable to do that. Why do you now point the finger at me?