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Orji Uzor Kalu visited Ooni of Ife and soon after ward Ooni started blabbing his mouth

goodnessme1:
Who is the father of oduduwa,did oduduwa really fell down from sky.



Mean while it your oba that -is trying to do what yorubas a good in doing(rewriting history)just to claim Great Igbos and yoruba are related, then we will help you do that,


fact now is oduduwa which mean odudu nwa(last born) is the founder of yorubas,

oduduwa(last born) was wicked,envy and greed,he was last born but he want to take over all her father's properties, which in igbo land the first son owns the obi,while the last born owns the mother's nkpuke,but because of his greediness he want to claim everything,

he tried to kill his brothers but his plans failed,that was why he was banished out of igbo land,then he went to west where he settled and married an ido woman,who give birth to the people called Yorubas now.

Oduduwa is the son of Lamurudu also known as Nimrod in the Bible. Don't peddle falseties

Olawalesmarter:
That Ooni is just blabbing his mouth for whatever selfish agenda best known to him

Ah. . . the king deserves our respect.
Stop criticizing him because he refuses to endorse rampant Igbo-phobia.

cc lzaa adaibeku t9ksy yarimo deomelo sarrki

A former Federal Commissioner for Works, Alhaji Olufemi Okunnu (SAN), in this interview with TOBI AWORINDE, describes Lagosians as accommodating but deserving of respect

Is it true that Lagos is no man’s land?

There is no place called ‘No Man’s Land’ in the world. Every parcel of land has its own history. Lagos has its own history and the original inhabitants of Lagos – the Aworis – settled over 500 years ago. I have said it many times recently that Lagos has its own indigenes. The Aworis were the first group of settlers who inhabited Lagos city and suburbs. Maybe some centuries after, there was the invasion by the Binis, the Edo-speaking people, who invaded Lagos and set up their own institutions. In fact, the obaship of Lagos has a lot to do with the Benin Kingdom. So, the Binis also invaded and settled in Lagos. Oba of Lagos is of Edo or Bini origin, not Yoruba, and all the other chiefs, who came with the first oba, that is, Ado — I am talking of a group of white-cap chiefs called Akarigbere — also are of Bini origin.

Lol. But oduduwa is a fake story na.

The Akarigberes include the following chiefs: Eletu Odigbo, Eletu Iwashe, Eletu Ika, Ologun Agbaje, Ologun Adodo, Eletu Awo, Ologun Agan, Ologun Atebo, Ologun Igbesodi and Ologun Ide Okoro. All these were Binis or Edo-speaking, with their families, and they settled largely in the Isale Eko, Idunmota and Idunshagbe parts of Lagos Island. When you hear of Idunmota, Idunshagbe, Idunmaigbo, Idunmagbo, etc., ‘Idun’ means area — Bini origin. They, not Yorubas, settled there. Apart from the Akarigbere class of chiefs, there were also the Abagbon class of chiefs, who came with Ado, again Binis: Ashogbon (war chiefs), Bajulaiye (‘Bazuaye’ as they call it in Benin today), Saba, Bajulu, Bashua (which is another form of ‘Bazua’). They were all Bini or Edo-speaking, not Yoruba.

Olawalesmarter:
I don't know about that, but we don't have anything in common with Igbo

Culture is totally different

We are clearly different

Igbo even used to killed twins long time ago while Yoruba use to keep and Worship theirs.

We have no relation with Igbo we don't even think alike

crossriverians( who migrated from Cameroon) used to kill twins, not the igbo. We pronounce twins ibeji while igbos call it ejima in fact in Ekiti, it's called eji( removing the "ma" from the igbo word), drug as Oogun while igbo pronounce it ogwu( adding a "w" to theirs), cat- olongbo while they call their nwologbo, etc. As people migrated in those days, they mixed with people from other tribes and tongues changed with time. If you emigrate to America for instance in the present day generation, give birth there and your kids grow up there, their tongues would change completely and that's why way it happened in those days . I may reason differently but I have my points. The west keep saying Africans don't know their history simply because our leaders are fond of distorting our rich history with bias and ethnic bigotry.

Westsida:
Which one do you do? Red or brown? Anyhow you want am. I sha wanna dealth with you!

forget i dont have time for what dont pay.

TVSA:
Lol, Adele will be a yoruba girl too

That's right.

Olawalesmarter:
Not all Yoruba sub tribes descended from Oduduwa some of them are the first settlers in Ile ife, You are not Yoruba so I now understand where your ignorance is coming from

indeed. That I'm not on same point with your distorted claims doesn't make me an igboman. I'm fullblooded yoruba and am not ashamed to say it. You keep believing in our selfish leaders who are fond of distorting history to enrich themselves, out of your own intelligence since I'm the one who is ignorant here according to you. Good luck

When they stop teaching History in Schools, this is the types of confusion you get; but at the DNA level, Igbos and Yorubas are one and the same people.

goodnessme1:
forget i dont have time for what dont pay.

You don’t wanna go to jail abi. Stop talking nonsense. Were not even at 1% related. Yoruba has it descended story. Don’t you have yours? Is there any mention of Oduduwa in the history of your race? Use your 6 nah. You don’t have to hear it anywhere that we not related. So why stressing with false news. Nawao

Fadomero:
who oduduwa help, so sick and tired of this country with dirty story

really if history is not important to you what is then? abi dis one na hunger? it is said when one feels the pangs of hunger in a serious way nothing matters than how to fill his stomach. No wonder, the biblical Esau was willing to sell his birthright. God help us .

Fadomero:
who oduduwa help, so sick and tired of this country with dirty story

Yet you are still in it?
Do something bro

class0247:
The Bini so far trace their history to perhaps hundreds or thousands of years before 40 BCE when they where called Idu and to 40 BCE specifically, when the Ogiso dynasty began. Thirty-one Ogisos ruled Idu (called Igodomigodo), between 40 BCE and about 1200 CE. The first Ogiso (king) was called Ogiso Igodo and his capital was at Ugbekun. Ogiso Igodo�s successor, Ogiso Ere, transferred the capital from Ugbekun to Uhudumwunirin. The last of the Ogiso kings was called Owodo. He reigned in the early 11th century CE and had only one child, a son, despite having many wives. That child, Ekaladerhan, is Oduduwa. All Oduduwa�s telltale links with Edo are still there open to investigation. The non-mortal aura of Edo God-son kings since 40 BCE. The sacrosanct first son succeeding father traditional law. The, around 1200 CE, Ogiso succession problems because heir apparent, Ekhaladerha, escaped to Yorubaland. The emergence of Ogieamie chiefdom to sell Edo land at every coronation to Edo Oba elect since 1200 CE. By the above account, Bini historians are saying that Oduduwa�s reign in Ife ended around 1200 CE. Yoruba historians confirm that Oduduwa�s first child and son was Oronmiyan and that Oronmiyan was the first Alaafin of Oyo. Yoruba historians deliberately avoid discussing the date Oronmiyan ascended the Alaafin throne obviously because that would destroy their myth about when Oduduwa intervened in their lives.

The Bini say the Alaafin�s dynasty in Oyo began around 1200 CE. Oronmiyan was in Igodomigodo in 1170 CE, and it was after his sojourn in Igodomigodo that he set up his Oyo dynasty. This date is not difficult for Yoruba historians to verify and if it is true, Oduduwa was alive during his son�s sojourn in Igodomigodo and also when the Oyo dynasty came into being. Therefore, the Ife stool could not have become vacant until about 1200 CE. This is not really debatable because Yoruba historians confirm that 37 Oonis reigned in Ife before Akinmoyero in (1770-1800), and that 13 more have reigned since. This enables us to prove the 1200 CE date mathematically. If from 1800 CE to 2004 CE (i.e. a period of 204 years), produced 13 Oonis on the average, how many Oonis could have reigned from 1200 CE to 1800 CE (i.e. a period of 600 years)? The answer is 38 Oonis.
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Enosakhare Idubor The Oduduwa Controversy Resolved.Part 2

The Ife history of the Ooni dynasty confirms 38 Oonis, including Akinmoyero (1770 � 1800). Here are their names in the ascending order of the period of their reign: Ogun, Osangangan, Obamakin, Ogbogbodirin, Obalufon, Oronmiyan, Ayetise, Lajamisan, Lajodogun, Lafogido, Odidimode Regbesin, Aworokolokun, Ekun, Ajimuda, Gboo-Nijio, Okinlajosin, Adegbalu, Osinkola, Ogbooru, Giesi, Luwoo (female), Lumobi, Agbedegbede, Ojee-Lokunbirin, Lagunja, Larunka, Ademilu, Omogbogbo, Ajila-Oorun, Adejinle, Olojo, Okiti, Lugbade, Aribiwoso, Osinlade, Adagba, Ojigidiri (Lumbua), Akinmoyero (1770 � 1800), Gbanlare (1800 �1823), Gbegbaaja (1823 �1835), Wunmonije (1835 �1839), Adegunle Abewelo (1839 �1849), Degbinsokun (1849 � 1878), Oranyigba (1878 � 1880), Derin Ologbenla (1880 �1894), Adelekan Olubuse I (1894 �1910), Adekola (1910), Ademiluyi Ajagun (1910 �1930), Adesoji Aderemi (1930 � 1970), and the current Ooni Okunade Sijuwade Olubuse II, whose reign dates from 1980. Obviously, Oronmiyan, the first child and son of Oduduwa, did not inherit his father�s throne, which is the genesis of the quarrel between the true Oduduwa�s heirs and the Ooni�s dynasty.

Oduduwa�s eight children (as claimed by Yoruba historians), are known as the Obalades or crowned chiefs of Yorubaland. The argument is that not all Yoruba Obas have genuine crowns; only the Obalades are the exception and consist of the Alaafin of Oyo, the Oregun of Ile Ila, the Alake of Egbaland, the Owaoboku of Ijeshaland, the Alaketu of Ketu, the Owa of Ilesa and two Obas in the Republic of Benin as follows: the Onipopo of Popo and the Onisabe of Sabe. What this means in effect is that Yoruba civilization did not start in earnest until the reign of Oduduwa and his sons. All leading Yoruba historians agree on this.

In fact, we know that it was from early twelfth century that Ife grew into a large city surrounded by walls, inhabited mostly by farmers and some skilled craftsmen who created great works of arts respected around the world today. The famous Ife bronze, terracotta works, statues in baked clay, some representing the Ooni dressed in full regalia, are among the world�s greatest works of art. Some of the terracotta were so large and complex, it is impossible to bake them today even with modern technology. All these date back to the eleventh century CE.

Because Ogun, the first Ooni after the demise of Oduduwa, was not Oduduwa�s child, he was not considered an Obalade by Yoruba tradition and elite. Ogun was a chief with spiritual responsibilities. He usurped the Ife throne because the true heirs to the throne were busy else where at the time of their father�s death. Ogun out maneuvered the children of Oduduwa over the Ife throne with his superior knowledge of the inner working of the Ooni�s palace, and his spiritual prowess as the head of the Ogun shrine. Oduduwa�s true heirs have been smarting over this ever since.

Chief Obafemi Awolowo, the Premier of the Western Region of Nigeria in the early sixties, strengthened the hands of the Oonis, and facilitated their prominence in Yorubaland by appointing Oba Adesoji Aderemi, the Ooni of Ife at the time, as the first Governor of the now defunct Western Region of Nigeria. Oba Adesoji Aderemi�s ascendance was consolidated with his Chairmanship of the Western Region�s Council of Obas that at the time entrapped the Edo Oba. With such immense political power of his own, and the political influence and authority of Awolowo as the leader of the Yoruba, no one could raise a finger against the supposed illegitimacy of the Ooni�s dynasty in Yorubaland. The Bini, of course, were worst hit as a voiceless minority in Awolowo�s Western Region�s politics of tribal exclusion and domination.

The Oduduwa lineage tried to fight back by identifying with the NPN in opposition to the UPN. Awolowo accentuated the schism by promoting the emergence of Bode Thomas, a young and dynamic lawyer from Oyo. Bode, with Awolowo�s clout, wielded considerable political power in Oyo to the point of being rude to the Alaafin, who was alleged to have put a curse on him. Bode became mad to the chagrin of Awolowo, who promptly banished the Alaafin from his Oyo throne. Just as the Oduduwa�s legitimate heirs and the Yoruba elite generally, have always known and concealed the quarrel over the Ife throne, the Bini have always known their history and borne the pains of not being able to act on it because Chief Awolowo was unassailable and had turned the Ooni dynasty into a colossus to cow all opposition.

Another way of confirming Oduduwa�s 1200 CE demise date in Ife, is to look into the famous account of valour during Oduduwa�s reign when an external invasion by the Igbos from the East took place. The record can easily be traced and Moremi�s courage came to the fore at the time for sacrificing her life for the safety of her people. From 1200 CE to 2004 CE is only 804 years, so the Yoruba should stop deceiving themselves that Oduduwa dropped from the skies at the beginning of time or that Ife is the �source� of the universe. Ife is �Uhe,� meaning Oduduwa�s re-birth, or successful re-location from Bini land of his ancestors.

You done a good job, let's avoid bitterness to get the best out of it.
1) the people who invaded Ile Ife, leading to the Moremi story were called Ugbo. They were camped in a place called Oke Igbo(which still exists). From Oke Igbo, oracle led them to found a new kingdom known till today as Ugbo(Ugbo kingdom, presently having the richest king in on Nigeria, Olu-Ugbo, Obateru). It was never Igbo from the East, that's only a common error.
2) However, this is another proof that Igbo were also ancient people of Ife. The inhabitants were called Ugbo originally. So, Igbo is only a variation of same word Ugbo.
3) Olu-Ugbo was the pre oduduwa tittle of the rulers of IFE, the original dynasty displaced by oduduwa dynasty.

No matter how much we hate one another, we can't hide facts forever.
Call it Old Ife, NUPE, Ugbo, or even Niger Congo, it is the mother of all tribes.

Westsida:
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Nah your papa come from the east lol

From this your comment, you are a kid

immhotep:
Ah. . . the king deserves our respect.
Stop criticizing him because he refuses to endorse rampant Igbo-phobia.

cc lzaa adaibeku t9ksy yarimo deomelo sarrki

Orji Uzor Kalu visited Ooni of Ife and soon after ward Ooni started blabbing his mouth

Ok

Olawalesmarter:
Orji Uzor Kalu visited Ooni of Ife and soon after ward Ooni started blabbing his mouth

So you are re-directing your Igbo-phobia against Orji Uzor Kalu abi ?
Calm down and respect the words of the Ooni.
You are not wiser than the king of Ife.

cc lzaa adaibeku

This is useless distraction to divert attention from Biafra freedom campaigns.

Yoruba fight for your oduduwa, any one saying oduduwa is related to Igbo, he/she is a saboteur in fulani pay roll.

Say No To distractions from warrant slaves/chiefs.

Instead of these old and weak warrant chiefs/slaves join hand with Mazi Nnamdi Kanu to restore Biafra, they are there disgracing themselves.

thegoodone1234:
From this your comment, you are a kid

Anyhow you see am sha. But one go know say from your comment, your a Dullard, Oduduwa came from the east lol. Which side in the east?

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fatiaforreal:
You done a good job, let's avoid bitterness to get the best out of it.
1) the people who invaded Ile Ife, leading to the Moremi story were called Ugbo. They were camped in a place called Oke Igbo(which still exists). From Oke Igbo, oracle led them to found a new kingdom known till today as Ugbo(Ugbo kingdom, presently having the richest king in on Nigeria, Olu-Ugbo, Obateru). It was never Igbo from the East, that's only a common error.
2) However, this is another proof that Igbo were also ancient people of Ife. The inhabitants were called Ugbo originally. So, Igbo is only a variation of same word Ugbo.
3) Olu-Ugbo was the pre oduduwa tittle of the rulers of IFE, the original dynasty displaced by oduduwa dynasty.

No matter how much we hate one another, we can't hide facts forever.
Call it Old Ife, NUPE, Ugbo, or even Niger Congo, it is the mother of all tribes.

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Mr man take time!

fairfora:
Now, let me explain in a simple terms so you'd understand my brain...when you go to ilesha as a foreigner, wouldn't you meet people already living in ilesha? That's same way we learnt oduduwa met people when he got to ile ife...those people he met and conquered, what happened to them and why weren't they mentioned till today in out book of history?

Oga you know nothing about yoruba history. Not all Yorubas are descendants of oduduwa. He never founded shit. As a matter of fact, his sons never did as well, they were only welcomed into some communities and made kings. Ask yourself, if they truly founded where they were crowned king, why don't we all speak the same dialect?

As for those people oduduwa conquered, go and read about the ugbo people of ilaje, the descendants of obatala, then will you be enlightened.

Olawalesmarter:
I don't know about that, but we don't have anything in common with Igbo

Culture is totally different

We are clearly different

Igbo even used to killed twins long time ago while Yoruba use to keep and Worship theirs.

We have no relation with Igbo we don't even think alike

Don't mind them. The type of leadersip is even different.

AbaLion:
The late Oba Sijuade Okunade would be turning in his grave at the level of ridicule his son is making out of the great stool of Yoruba ancestry, by extension, the larger Yoruba nation.
How can a sitting Ooni could have been bereft of basic historical knowledge, so much ridiculously so he would confuse "the people of Ugbo" with "the Igbos "..
By the degree of his careless talks, the Benin minnows and the noisy waifs and strays ibo refugees are shamefully seeking relevance off the Yoruba's well documented & incontrovertible historical accounts.
It's a pity that those whose origin are much in doubt and still very much unknown, are trying to cash in on Ooni's gullibility..

Needless to say, that the throne is way bigger and much heavier than the young crown prince. He should retrace his steps forthwith else the gods of our land revolt against him.
*spits.


-Lion

So disappointing.

goodnessme1:
Who is the father of oduduwa,did oduduwa really fell down from sky.



Mean while it your oba that -is trying to do what yorubas a good in doing(rewriting history)just to claim Great Igbos and yoruba are related, then we will help you do that,


fact now is oduduwa which mean odudu nwa(last born) is the founder of yorubas,

oduduwa(last born) was wicked,envy and greed,he was last born but he want to take over all her father's properties, which in igbo land the first son owns the obi,while the last born owns the mother's nkpuke,but because of his greediness he want to claim everything,

he tried to kill his brothers but his plans failed,that was why he was banished out of igbo land,then he went to west where he settled and married an ido woman,who give birth to the people called Yorubas now.

Oya,keep making yourself happy.

Idowukings:
so you mean Oduduwa originally was an Arab man? why are yorubas not looking Arabian?

Yorubas are not descendants of Oduduwa. He wasn't the first Yoruba man, but his knowledge and strategies helped the ancient Yorubas.

hisexcellency34:
Ile Ife this, Ile Ife that. What's so special about that village?

Ask yeebos, They are the ones claiming our land again as they did Lagos.

fairfora:
crossriverians( who migrated from Cameroon) used to kill twins, not the igbo. We pronounce twins ibeji while igbos call it ejima in fact in Ekiti, it's called eji( removing the "ma" from the igbo word), drug as Oogun while igbo pronounce it ogwu( adding a "w" to theirs), cat- olongbo while they call their nwologbo, etc. As people migrated in those days, they mixed with people from other tribes and tongues changed with time. If you emigrate to America for instance in the present day generation, give birth there and your kids grow up there, their tongues would change completely and that's why way it happened in those days . I may reason differently but I have my points. The west keep saying Africans don't know their history simply because our leaders are fond of distorting our rich history with bias and ethnic bigotry.

Those words I believe found their ways into the igbo lexicon through the igalas who had contact with both tribes. Igbo and yoruba never had any contact in the past. Albeit, the igalas did, and the igala language can be classified as yoruboid, cause it sounds so similar to Eastern yoruba dialects.

MyVILLAGEpeople:
With brown roofs everywhere.

Yet yeebos cannot leave us alone.