jesusjnr:
There's absolutely nothing to explain for Saul would have remained king of Israel if he had obeyed God as Samuel had said, or do you still doubt this, or feel that Samuel didn't know what he was talking about when he said that?

And your opinion that David's case was treated differently or that David was favored etc., is a common one no doubt among those of the church, but this was what God Himself said concerning David and why He established his kingdom even the Truth:

1 Kings 3:14 (KJV)

14 And if thou wilt walk in my ways, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as thy father David did walk, then I will lengthen thy days.

So the reason that God established David's kingdom was because he had done what Saul hadn't done which is to be obedient to God.

Yeah I know David made a mistake or two, but that was the exception for God doesn't judge a man by the exception of his life but the rule, and the rule for Saul was disobedience, hence his rejection by God.

So the gifts and callings of God are truly with repentance but you can choose to believe what you want.

mployer:


Let me explain to you again.
If you draft a 15year old untrained boy to the army and send him straight to fight bokoharam, he will likely die in the battle. When analysts come to view the war video, they will see his tactical errors in the battle field. His death will be attributed to those errors, but the real reason he died is because he is young and untrained.

Such is the case of Saul. Disobedience is visible reason he failed but the main reason he failed is because he wasn't trained and empowered in the field of obedience to God. He was an appointed king not a raised king. He wasn't capable of obeying God because he doesn't even know God personally nor understand Him. All these is because the true call of God was not on him.

The Bible said that even though Jesus was a son, yet He learned obedience by the things he suffered. Obedience is learned through a process but Saul didn't go through it.

Jesus was on earth for 30 years just for a 3year ministry.

It took 15 years from when David was annointed to when he became a king. 15 years of constant battle!

Moses was in wilderness for 40 years before he returned to deliver Israel.

Saul came in through shortcut is bound to fail. I would have been surprised if he didn't.

mployer:


Let me explain to you again.
If you draft a 15year old untrained boy to the army and send him straight to fight bokoharam, he will likely die in the battle. When analysts come to view the war video, they will see his tactical errors in the battle field. His death will be attributed to those errors, but the real reason he died is because he is young and untrained.

Such is the case of Saul. Disobedience is visible reason he failed but the main reason he failed is because he wasn't trained and empowered in the field of obedience to God. He was an appointed king not a raised king. He wasn't capable of obeying God because he doesn't even know God personally nor understand Him. All these is because the true call of God was not on him. God didn't start his process, people of Israel did.

The Bible said that even though Jesus was a son, yet He learned obedience by the things he suffered(Hebrews 5:8 ). Obedience is learned through a process but Saul didn't go through it. He didn't suffer anything, so he didn't learn anything.

Jesus was on earth for 30 years just for a 3year ministry.

It took 15 years from when David was annointed to when he became a king. 15 years of constant battle!

Moses was in wilderness for 40 years before he returned to deliver Israel.

Saul came in through shortcut is bound to fail. I would have been surprised if he didn't.

Yinyeon:

Sure, I've done that.

Yinyeon:


Very Correct, if ever one loves committing sin and is never bitten by it whenever he/she does so, it means the person was never saved to begin with, because the God who saved us is faithful and powerful enough to keep us.

It doesn't mean as Christian, we don't sin for we are in this evil flesh that strives to displease God hence, we have the Holy Spirit who is always in constant conflict with the flesh.
However, the sin of a Christian doesn't lead to eternal damnation just takes us farther way from God.

Profmaojo:
Good morning sir/ma, do you mean that you can be far room God and still attain eternal life?? Because the opposite of eternal damnation is eternal life. When one sin, you have to ask God for forgiveness but saying since you have been saved you are always save and can continue doing what you want is absurd

shadeyinka:

Sometimes overzealousness will make us negate the scriptures to our own peril.

The implication of what you just wrote is this
1. The sacrifice of Christ and his blood is powerless to save completely. Christians have to augment the work of Christ by works
2. We are saved by works through faith in Jesus Christ.

If anyone be in Christ, such has become a NEW creature (not a washed sinner but a sinner completely TRANSFORMED into a saint). If you find anyone who claims to be saved but enjoys SIN, such might NEVER have been saved in the first place.

You know what Jesus said, "By their Fruit, you shall know them"...does anyone reap mangoes from weed?

Yours is a doctrine of partial salvation!
You believe that Christ only saved us halfway! Is this the scripture?

Agrogbeide:
Once saved is forever saved!!!
If you believe failure in your works will take you to hell that's very fine, but me and my cohorts who only depend on the Holy Spirit to guard us by His faith in us and not by our so called "good works" we shall be eternally saved.
Thanks.
God bless.

shadeyinka:

Sometimes overzealousness will make us negate the scriptures to our own peril.

The implication of what you just wrote is this
1. The sacrifice of Christ and his blood is powerless to save completely. Christians have to augment the work of Christ by works
2. We are saved by works through faith in Jesus Christ.

If anyone be in Christ, such has become a NEW creature (not a washed sinner but a sinner completely TRANSFORMED into a saint). If you find anyone who claims to be saved but enjoys SIN, such might NEVER have been saved in the first place.

You know what Jesus said, "By their Fruit, you shall know them"...does anyone reap mangoes from weed?

Yours is a doctrine of partial salvation!
You believe that Christ only saved us halfway! Is this the scripture?

shadeyinka:

You are misunderstanding her.
She never condoned sin

She says "if the Holy Spirit doesn't convict you of sin if you do, you are never born again in the first place".

Let me ask you a direct question:
When does a Christian loose his salvation?

pressplay411:


You forget that God still leaves everyone with Free Will.
The Blood of Christ is able to save you completely but do you still love sin, do you still love the world? You will choose that which you love more, Christ or the World.

He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”
John 3:18-21

2.We are saved by Grace to do good works. Christ says that all over the scriptures even in his parting words to His disciples that we have greater works to do, that we should disciple nations! You clearly don't know the Power of the Holy Spirit in you. You think He's for healing your malaria and speaking in tongues only?
Hear what Apostles James says about Faith and Works. Even Paul says we have works to do in some of His epistles. You should be sensitive to the type of Gentiles Paul writes to lest you will never grow in Faith. Paul was addressing works of self righteousness such as circumcision.

But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!
But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?
Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?
And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
James 2:18-24

shadeyinka:

Sometimes overzealousness will make us negate the scriptures to our own peril.

The implication of what you just wrote is this
1. The sacrifice of Christ and his blood is powerless to save completely. Christians have to augment the work of Christ by works
2. We are saved by works through faith in Jesus Christ.

If anyone be in Christ, such has become a NEW creature (not a washed sinner but a sinner completely TRANSFORMED into a saint). If you find anyone who claims to be saved but enjoys SIN, such might NEVER have been saved in the first place.

You know what Jesus said, "By their Fruit, you shall know them"...does anyone reap mangoes from weed?

Yours is a doctrine of partial salvation!
You believe that Christ only saved us halfway! Is this the scripture?

alBHAGDADI:

So much false doctrine in one post. The sad part is that the person disseminating the false doctrine is the one accusing others of doing such.

Now, let's examine your argument.

You have clearly stated nothing here. Can mention just one name of man alive today who is without sin?



Saul Lost his throne, not his salvation. If he had lost his salvation, David would have killed him when he had the chance several times. But because he knew he was still under God's anointing despite his sin, David spared.

1 Samuel 24:6 (KJV)
And he said unto his men, The L ORD forbid that I should do this thing unto my master, the L ORD 's anointed, to stretch forth mine hand against him, seeing he is the anointed of the L ORD .

Judas was never saved because he never believed in Jesus from day one. Even Jesus said it.

John 6:70
Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

Jesus didn't say he became a devil. He simoly said he's a devil. Even the entire chapter showed Jesus talking about some of his followers who didn't believe in him and the one who should betray him.

John 6:64 (KJV)
But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

Annanuas and Saphira is not a case of lost salvation. It is a case of punishment for lying, same way we get punished for other things. Nowhere does the Bible say they lost their salvation.



Paul was not saying we should save ourselves. If we could save ourselves, why did Jesus die? Read the passage well.

Philippians 2:12-13 (KJV)
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Simple, Paul was saying we should show the salvation God has put in us. It's the same as God giving us muscles. When we Gym aka work out, the muscles become pronounced such that people admire us and even start hitting the gym too. God has saved us and now wants us to work out that salvation so others too will by that come to him.

To show your flawed understanding, below is Paul clearly stating that salvation is not of WORKS but by Grace through faith in Jesus.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.



You just called God a liar, and I will prove it to you.

How dare you say Jesus never said we are saved forever? First and foremost, what does eternal life mean? It means life never ending. What did Jesus say will happen to those who believe in him?

John 3:16 (KJV)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


As seen above, Jesus said if we believe in him, we will have eternal life. Even the book of John says those that believe have eternal life. It doesn't say we will get the eternal life after we die. It says we have it already and it's in our spirit.

1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Now, if believe leads to salvation which gives eternal life, how come you say eternal life can be lost? If it can be lost, then was it ever eternal or never ending?

You have called God a liar by saying he didn't give us eternal life through his Son Jesus. You have denied the record he gave of his son.

1 John 5:10-11
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

Did you see the bolded part? It says God has given us eternal life for believing in his son. It means we can't lose it otherwise it will mean it was never eternal.



You are misquoting Paul. The Paul I know said it is Grace that saves not our works.

Ephesians 2:8-9 King James Version (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.



You are simply saying the blood of Jesus is not enough to save man once and for all and that man has to contribute his own quota. Look at how you belittled the blood of Jesus.



@bold

It is the Grace of Jesus that keeps us saved, not our works of righteousness which God sees as filthy rags.

Ephesians 2:8-9 King James Version (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.



I'll advice everyone reading this to please flee from Pentecostal Churches which are devil's houses. Flee from any church that preaches Works Based Salvation e.g RCCG, Winners, Deeper Life etc and go find a Once Saved Always Saved Church e.g Baptist. Do that now before it's too late.

Continuing in the believe that you can lose your salvation is the same as saying you are trying to save yourself. It simply means you are not trusting in Jesus, instead you are relying on your own works. It means you don't believe in Jesus but yourself. The people below did the works but Jesus saud he never knew them. Note, he didn't say he use to know them. He never knew them despite then doing wonderful works, because they didn't do his father's will.

Matthew 7:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


Now what is the will of the Father Jesus said they didn't do?


John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.


Those people didn't do the above will because they were depending on their works to save them instead of simply believing in Jesus.

shadeyinka:

Sometimes overzealousness will make us negate the scriptures to our own peril.

The implication of what you just wrote is this
1. The sacrifice of Christ and his blood is powerless to save completely. Christians have to augment the work of Christ by works
2. We are saved by works through faith in Jesus Christ.


All correct but even more looking at dat scripture
If anyone be in Christ, such has become a NEW creature (not a washed sinner but a sinner completely TRANSFORMED into a saint). If you find anyone who claims to be saved but enjoys SIN, such might NEVER have been saved in the first place.

You know what Jesus said, "By their Fruit, you shall know them"...does anyone reap mangoes from weed?

Yours is a doctrine of partial salvation!
You believe that Christ only saved us halfway! Is this the scripture?

shadeyinka:

Some will build with Gold, Silver and precious stone while some Christians will build with grass and hay. Some peoples works would be burnt as by fire. Everyone will reap what he has sowed.

God is not mocked!

shadeyinka:

Some will build with Gold, Silver and precious stone while some Christians will build with grass and hay. Some peoples works would be burnt as by fire. Everyone will reap what he has sowed.

God is not mocked!

pressplay411:

Kindly share your scriptural reference ma.

shadeyinka:

1. I believe in God's foreknowledge of our actions on earth even before He created anything
2. I believe that based on Gods foreknowledge, He made provision (special grace) predestination for those He had foreknown
3. Gods predestination is NOT random else He would be unjust to condemn a person who had not yet commited sin/iniquity.

4. Apart from this aspect of predestination (which has to do with salvation) , I doubt if God predestined our lives else, we would not/can not be guilty of what we have been predestined to do.

No one ever blames a Lime/Lemon for being bitter.
But if an orange tree would produce bitter orange, we will cut it down

pressplay411:

Kindly share your scriptural reference ma.

Agrogbeide:
Once saved is forever saved!!!
If you believe failure in your works will take you to hell that's very fine, but me and my cohorts who only depend on the Holy Spirit to guard us by His faith in us and not by our so called "good works" we shall be eternally saved.
Thanks.
God bless.

Operandee:


2 Cor 5:19 God is no longer counting men’s sins against them. Check out 1John 1:2 for if we win we have an advocate in the father... the propitiation for the sins of the World