MuttleyLaff:
I have exposed your lies and misinterpreted verses you clobber homosexuals with. You ignore context but put content on head like a shrimp, strutting your hollier than thou self, believing that homosexuals are human beings with mental disorder etcetera. Shame on you.

The shame is directly pointed at you because while I have proven just like most of the participants, scripturally that God never supports or permits homosexuals, you are still trying to get evasive,manipulative and insulting....and to make matters worse,you are still yet to provide scriptures to prove your submissions!


Like I said earlier,prove your assertions with scriptures or be silent and stop spread lies about our father and God!

Am still trying to wonder how hard it is to back you claims with scriptures!

openmine:
Wrong bro!
What is wrong is wrong no matter how you paint it!
A goat will always be a goat!
A dog will always bark like a dog!
An eagle will always soar like an eagle no matter how you want to make it look like a chicken!

Whatever manipulation or sentiments you try to implore will never take away the fact that,based on scriptures, such acts no matter the intentions will never and can never be right!

You cannot steal and still justify the reason why you stole!
You can't have sex with your neighbours wife simply because the husband does sexually satisfy her!

But you know what?

I will gladly allow you offer scriptures and corresponding ones that prove that God permits or supports "homosexual acts that is in a faithful caring, trusting, loving relationship"!!

I await your rebuttal with scriptures!

I have provided enough scriptures and explained in my post how what you believe in are deliberate lies and falsehoods
There is nothing wrong anywhere and God hasn't, never and didn't say anything is wrong with gays.

openmine:

The shame is directly pointed at you because while I have proven just like most of the participants, scripturally that God never supports or permits homosexuals, you are still trying to get evasive,manipulative and insulting....and to make matters worse, you are still yet to provide scriptures to prove your submissions!

Like I said earlier, prove your assertions with scriptures or be silent and stop spread lies about our father and God!

Am still trying to wonder how hard it is to back you claims with scriptures!

Shame on you for cursing, what God has not cursed.

Are you trying to deny that Leviticus 20:13 and her sister Leviticus verse, along with others in NT have nothing to do with consensual adults in faithful, loving etcetera same sex relationships huh?

MuttleyLaff:
I have provided enough scriptures and explained in my post how what you believe in are deliberate lies and falsehoods
There is nothing wrong anywhere and God hasn't, never and didn't say anything is wrong with gays.

Shame on you for cursing, what God has not cursed.

Are you trying to deny that Leviticus 20:13 and her sister Leviticus verse, along with others in NT have nothing to do with consensual adults in faithful, loving etcetera same sex relationships huh?

Please where are the scriptures?
If you have them,provide them here for all to see!
Not twists or evasion!
Your constant one line repetitions does not in any way stop you from proving that God supports homosexuals!


Curse?
If you are saying God supports such acts,you are also saying he loves such acts too!
Be reminded that its only what you love that you permit!

So bro I don't like stories or long grama!
Just prove me wrong by showing me scriptures where God permits,allows and loves homosexual acts!

The joke is on you!

MuttleyLaff:

Are you trying to deny that Leviticus 20:13 and her sister Leviticus verse, along with others in NT have nothing to do with consensual adults in faithful, loving etcetera same sex relationships huh?

MuttleyLaff
You made an assertion that God loves homosexuals!
The first thing you were supposed to do is make your submissions and your proofs so that it gets easier to comprehend!
You are even supposed to counter our scriptures with superior scriptures, instead you kept using your own logic and at times, sentiments to pathetically and fruitlessly prove your assertions!

I have done my part by providing scriptures... at least you won't accuse me of that!
However,I can't say the same about you!
If you have the scriptures, bros,state it clearly!
This whole grama and lately,manipulative path taken by you won't fly!
Either you have scriptures or you don't have it!
We are not here for e-fight but to learn and also make corrections!

openmine:

Please where are the scriptures?
If you have them,provide them here for all to see!
Not twists or evasion!
Your constant one line repetitions does not in any way stop you from proving that God supports homosexuals!


Curse?
If you are saying God supports such acts,you are also saying he loves such acts too!
Be reminded that its only what you love that you permit!

So bro I don't like stories or long grama!
Just prove me wrong by showing me scriptures where God permits,allows and loves homosexual acts!

The joke is on you!

Explain to me, what particularly is the act that bugs you, what act gangan have you got beef with and why specifically do you have been with it or why it bugs you?

MuttleyLaff:
Explain to me, what particularly is the act that bugs you, what act gangan have you got beef with and why specifically do you have been with it or why it bugs you?

Bros your latest post is to be quite honest unnecessary!
Whatever bugs me about homosexuality is the case here!

I need the scriptures that specifically states that God supports and allows homosexual acts from you!

The intentions of homosexuality whether good or bad is inconsequential!

Just show me where God permits homosexuality!
Thank You!

openmine:
MuttleyLaff
You made an assertion that God loves homosexuals!
The first thing you were supposed to do is make your submissions and your proofs so that it gets easier to comprehend!
You are even supposed to counter our scriptures with superior scriptures, instead you kept using your own logic and at times, sentiments to pathetically and fruitlessly prove your assertions!

I have done my part by providing scriptures... at least you won't accuse me of that!
However, I can't say the same about you!
If you have the scriptures, bros,state it clearly!
This whole grama and lately,manipulative path taken by you won't fly!
Either you have scriptures or you don't have it!
We are not here for e-fight but to learn and also make corrections!

Ogbeni, stop this charade, the scriptures you provided, I have to some degree exposed the interpretation as a sham and fraudulent. What you believe in has no legs to stand on

You cannot deny that the context of each and every one of the scriptures you put forward and up, have nothing to do with consensual adults in a faithful, caring, loving, kind hearted same sex relationships.

It is a fact and truth that those verses originally are talking of ritual sex performed during fertility god worship. This was done under the make believe that divine blessings is obtained from indulging in such ritualistic sex. Male temple prostitutes made their services available for willing patrons or participants. Even those who weren't naturally gay, at times indulge in these sex orgies. There are more to tell, but these bit of information seem for now, for all its worth adequate.

openmine:
Bros your latest post is to be quite honest unnecessary!
Whatever bugs me about homosexuality is the case here!

I need the scriptures that specifically states that God supports and allows homosexual acts from you!

The intentions of homosexuality whether good or bad is inconsequential!

Just show me where God permits homosexuality!
Thank You!

It is quite necessary, as it is an enquiry

The title of the thread started with the word "deconstructing". I have given enough scriptures and explanation doing just that and enough for you and anyone to be provoke to the point of cross-checking like the Bereans, whether or not, what I've submitted and advanced is true or not.

Please don't be expecting me to Bob the Builder you. Go over that my very long 3-section lengthy post very carefully, you'll find where I said God didn't mind or Jesus wasn't bothered about people in same sex relationships

You don't need scriptures, what you need is a change of heart. You need a paradigm shift. You need to change how you see homosexuality. Do those, then thank me later, not before then.

MuttleyLaff:
Ogbeni, stop this charade, the scriptures you provided, I have to some degree exposed the interpretation as a sham and fraudulent. What you believe in as no legs to stand on

You cannot deny that the context of each and every one of the scriptures you put forward and up, have nothing to do with consensual adults in a faithful, caring, loving, kind hearted same sex relationships.

It is a fact and truth that those verses originally are talking of ritual sex performed during fertility god worship. This was done under the make believe that divine blessings is obtained from indulging in such ritualistic sex. Male temple prostitutes made their services available for willing patrons or participants. Even those who weren't naturally gay, at times indulge in these sex orgies. There are more to tell, but these bit of information seem adequate.

It is quite necessary, as it is an enquiry

The title of the thread started with the word "deconstructing". I have given enough scriptures and explanation doing just that and enough for you and anyone to be provoke to the point of cross-checking like the Bereans, whether or not, what I've submitted and advanced is true or not.

Please don't be expecting me to Bob the Builder you. Go over that my very long 3-section lengthy post very carefully, you'll find where I said God didn't mind or Jesus wasn't bothered about people in same sex relationships

You don't need scriptures, what you need is a change of heart. You need a paradigm shift. You need to change how you see homosexuality.

Bro I don't care what what you call me and I have read and even perused your long post and I have seen no single scripture that you have used to buttress your points!

The only thing you succeeded in doing is trying in vain and fruitlessly to dispute clear enough scriptures!

Yet you haven't provided any....if indeed you had scriptures, you would have quickly provided it an initio and saved us the burden of this back and forth!
But unfortunately, not one scripture was used to prove that God permits homosexuality!

Ohh yes I need scriptures because if you were using these aimless grammars or scripture less long post,I would not have graced this thread!

But to think you were confident about proving scriptures only for you to end up trying to dispute that of others shows you have little or no scripture to offer!

Your latest and hilarious usage of manipulation and evasion to garner sentiments from the lgbt group is nothing but the last kick of a dying horse!

openmine:

Bro I don't care what what you call me and I have read and even perused your long post and I have seen no single scripture that you have used to buttress your points!

The only thing you succeeded in doing is trying in vain and fruitlessly to dispute clear enough scriptures!

Yet you haven't provided any....if indeed you had scriptures, you would have quickly provided it an initio and saved us the burden of this back and forth!
But unfortunately, not one scripture was used to prove that God permits homosexuality!

Ohh yes I need scriptures because if you were using these aimless grammars or scripture less long post,I would not have graced this thread!

But to think you were confident about proving scriptures only for you to end up trying to dispute that of others shows you have little or no scripture to offer!

Your latest and hilarious usage of manipulation and evasion to garner sentiments from the lgbt group is nothing but the last kicks of a dying hoarse

openmine, I haven't called you anything, except for using endearing form of addressing for someone in a friendly way.

1/ Have you noticed that you haven't denied what I've said about Leviticus 20:13 and her sister Leviticus verse.?
2/ Have you noticed that you haven't refuted that Leviticus 20:13, her sister Leviticus verse and other NT verses had nothing to do with consensual adults in faithful, caring, loving until death do them apart same sex relationships?
3/ Have you noticed that you couldn't articulate what bugs you in homosexuality acts?
4/ Have you noticed you could not say, in clear and uncertain terms what beef you have with homosexuals and/or homosexuality acts?
5/Have you noticed you are unable to say why consensual adults in faithful, loving, caring, kind hearted same sex relationships is evil, bad and wrong?
6/ Have you noticed that you have been unable to say that what I have written about changing words from their original meaning and the culture of saying things the Bible, didnt say, didnt mean and never say is not true, hmm?

All you've done is so selective reading, burying your head in the sand and doing a perfect sheer living in denial.

Keep on laughing erh, because that's what you are, a joke, you are a joke and before you say it, thats not been insulting, it's just a honest observation.

MuttleyLaff:
openmine, I haven't called you anything, except for using endearing form of addressing for someone in a friendly way.

1/ Have you noticed that you haven't denied what I've said about Leviticus 20:13 and her sister Leviticus verse.?
2/ Have you noticed that you haven't refuted that Leviticus 20:13, her sister Leviticus verse and other NT verses had nothing to do with consensual adults in faithful, caring, loving until death do them apart same sex relationships?
3/ Have you noticed that you couldn't articulate what bugs you in homosexuality acts?
4/ Have you noticed you could not say, in clear and uncertain terms what beef you have with homosexuals and/or homosexuality acts?
5/Have you noticed you are unable to say why consensual adults in faithful, loving, caring, kind hearted same sex relationships is evil, bad and wrong?
6/ Have you noticed that you have been unable to say that what I have written about changing words from their original meaning and the culture of saying things the Bible, didnt say, didnt mean and never say is not true, hmm?

All you've done is so selective reading, burying your head in the sand and doing a perfect sheer living in denial.

Keep on laughing, because that's what you are, you are a joke and before you say it, thats not been insulting, it's just a honest observation.

Whatever your reason for the name calling is unimportant!
I know how your likes do during an argument esp when you have run out of bullets!

bro no need for the questions....just provide scriptures showing that God accepts,welcomes,allows and permits homosexuality!

That's all I ask from you!
All these back and forth won't change my stance!

I won't reply your questions until you are able to show or provide scriptures to back up your analogy!

No need for the evasive and rhetorical stance to cover up the fact that you can't come up with a single scripture to fulfill ur analogy about homosexuality!

Just provide scriptures or be silent and allow your other supporters provide scriptures to assist you in proving that God permits homosexuality!

openmine:


Whatever your reason for the name calling is unimportant!

Chief, nobody is name calling you ooo. There hasnt been anything insulting or demeaning in the sweet and endearing way I've addressed you

openmine:
I know how your likes do during an argument esp when you have run out of bullets!

I have gunpowder and loads of ammo ready and more than enough for the Battle of Armageddon

openmine:
bro no need for the questions....

You must be a learner. Discoveries are made by questioning answers, and advances are made by you answering questions. If I am really bro to you, you would kindly and willing have answered questions as and when asked you

openmine:
just provide scriptures showing that God accepts, welcomes,allows and permits homosexuality!

"¹So now there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus
²And because you belong to him, the power of the life-giving Spirit has freed you from the power of sin that leads to death."
- Romans 8:1-2

The above scripture mention, is not a first time appearance on this thread

openmine:
That's all I ask from you!
All these back and forth won't change my stance!

You've just with "... back and forth... " taken me down memory lane and reliving Cameo frontman, Larry Blackmon singing "Back And Forth". It reminded me of when that "Gbẹdu" (i.e. music) de enter my body.

openmine:
I won't reply your questions until you are able to show or provide scriptures to back up your analogy!

Do I look like I care?. My life doesnt depend on you answering or not answering.

openmine:
No need for the evasive and rhetorical stance to cover up the fact that you can't come up with a single scripture to fulfill ur analogy about homosexuality!

What analogy am I fulfilling?

openmine:
Just provide scriptures or be silent and allow your other supporters provide scriptures to assist you in proving that God permits homosexuality!

Lokatew. I guarantee you that if I am to provide you with scriptures, your eyes will still not clear, so why should I bother, what benefit are the ones already provided, hmm. Abeggy, comot for road jor, make better pesin enter o jaare. Shey, facts dey lie ni? Denying the truth doesn't change facts kẹ.

MuttleyLaff:
If I am really bro to you, then please stop twisting my words, stop misrepresenting and stop misquoting me. Stop saying things I have never said, stop putting words in my mouth. I never said anyone has a problem with but said what Shepherd00 problem is, which it looks like you share with him.

Let me make all this easy for you, as I am a fair, generous and accommodating person hmm? Why don't you state what my submissions are and state how according to scripture and to you, I am wrong.

Is God, not love, is God not in where love abides hmm openmine, if yes, then, what is your problem erh, why are you demonising this kind of love, huh? Why are you cursing, what God has not cursed?

MuttleyLaff, pls stop mentioning my moniker all over your posts if you'd not direct your responses to me. Enough of this joke Biko.

MuttleyLaff:
You judge by demonising faithful, trusting, caring, homosexual acts in a loving relationship.

You are the liar, not God, lying about everything including lying against me, saying what the Bible hasn't said, and saying what I too haven't said. You will answer to God for all these and for your hating.

What evil is there in homosexual acts that is in a faithful caring, trusting, loving relationship between two consenting adults openmine huh?

Demonising homosexual acts? I m not the one judging homosexuality, it is the word of God.

You call me a liar because, you reject the truth of God's word.

You call homosexuality a loving act, the loving acts the brings the wrath of God.

You have turn this to a personal attacks.

Back to The question muttylaff show me from the bible where God support homosexuality?

The evil of homosexuality because God's word say so

Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.


Romans 1:27
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.



A perverse person will go to any length to defend perversity.

Still waiting for muttylaff to bring scriptures instead of long epistles

Shepherd00:
MuttleyLaff, pls stop mentioning my moniker all over your posts if you'd not direct your responses to me. Enough of this joke Biko.

Oya coman beat me now for mentioning your moniker, your copyrighted moniker abi? Maybe I should stop giving you attention

solite3:
Demonising homosexual acts? I m not the one judging homosexuality, it is the word of God.

You mean your imagined word of God

solite3:
You call me a liar because, you reject the truth of God's word.

Look at pot trying to call snow black

solite3:
You call homosexuality a loving act, the loving acts the brings the wrath of God.

As loving as a heterosexual act

solite3:
You have turn this to a personal attacks.

Personal attack on falsehood, yes

solite3:
Back to The question muttylaff show me from the bible where God support homosexuality?

Not that it will make a difference, even when I already had, if only you paid attention.

solite3:
The evil of homosexuality because God's word say so

Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Romans 1:27
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

You didnt see the memo that Leviticus 18:22 and Romans 1:27, is not and never about your figmemt of imagination evil of homosexuality

solite3:
A perverse person will go to any length to defend perversity.

That is exactly what you are doing

solite3:
Still waiting for muttylaff to bring scriptures instead of long epistles

Extraordinary lies require extraodinary long epistles

MuttleyLaff:
You mean your imagined word of God

Look at pot trying to call snow black

As loving as a heterosexual act

Personal attack on falsehood, yes

Not that it will make a difference, even when I already had, if only you paid attention.

You didnt see the memo that Leviticus 18:22 and Romans 1:27, is not and never about your figmemt of imagination evil of homosexuality

That is exactly what you are doing

Extraordinary lies require extraodinary long epistles

save yourself all these unnecessary banter and do justice to my question.
Show me where God support homosexuality in the bible.
Note: No rhetoric

solite3:
save yourself all these unnecessary banter and do justice to my question

You really think this is a circus, right, hmm. That there is harmless fun going on, isnt it. SMH.

solite3:
Show me where God support homosexuality in the bible.

If you really and sincerely had read all my posts so far on this thread, and you thoughtfully paid attention when reading, you would have spotted where

solite3:
Note: No rhetoric

Dont bother, give it a rest please.

I wanted you to explain what's the context of the Leviticus chapter 20 and how Leviticus 20:13 fits in with the greater theme of Leviticus 20 itself but for you to sincerely, truthfully and honestly explain it is a big big problem.

MuttleyLaff:

It is you who is being unreasonable here, if you weren't, you will admit and acknowledge each place where I know it pertains to you I appended your moniker as a mention, sometimes, by itself or alongside TV01

Chia! What can be so hard in just quoting and responding to my post separately from others? hmm?

MuttleyLaff:

The problem with you, openmine and possibly others, is you both and them, having trouble reading sentences more than 3-6 lines.

No, it's not about reading, it's about where to quote in other to respond. You sir, are impossible.

MuttleyLaff:

This is evidenced in that though I've already numerous times in the past answered your question in the affirmative, I also recently, as in my post today, advance the information that some people are born gay. I even further dropped in epigenetic(s)

In other words, 'Let everything reproduce according to its kind is false? . You run around graping straws everywhere even when they slip through your hands, you fight to hold unto them.

From Animals to birds, to fish, to man let everything reproduce according to it's kind. Pls how does homosexuality fit into this.

Is there a reason why God instructed that Noah took in each specie of animals two pairs? Pls tell me why. Were they also gay ones amongst them?

MuttleyLaff:

Now you are asking me how many homosexuals God used even after I had volunteered and advance information that a homosexual built "church" for the Israelites to worship in. I bet you'll be asking for the Bible reference of this next.

Yes, i'd ask the name of the homosexual and the passage of the Bible it is recorded that a homosexual built a Church for the Israelites. Who was he and how do I verify it?

MuttleyLaff:

I don't mind being Bob the Builder, but not ready to be Bob the Builder, to build you up in this matter. Anybody else but not you Shepherd00.

Empty words MuttleyLaff. empty words.

MuttleyLaff:

Please stop asking me these unreasonable questions, especially when facts shows, tells and confirm that homosexual are always less than 5% of the world's population at every and any other time.

I will ask you questions Muttley, you cannot help for explain to me what you affirm.

And, how is their percentage my problem? Do you know how many Nazarites were it Israel? God used the few. So, if He approves of homosexuals, it will be mentioned, at least once.

Do you remember Rehab? She was a prostitute, she was mentioned, despite God pronouncing that no Israelite shd be a prostitute. She was not only mentioned, she became a Matriarch. Do you remember Ruth? She was a Moabitess, The Lord commanded that His people shd not marry her tribe, A Jew married her any way and She become an Ancestor of the Lord.

MuttleyLaff, why does homosexuality always follow with negative pronouncements everytime it is referenced in the Bible?

MuttleyLaff:

Let me also inform you because you seem to have forgotten that until after the finished work on Calvary not everyone was allowed or permitted to work in service for God

Like who and who were prohibited? They must not be priests or prophets to be used of God remember? Cyrus was a Gentle, not a Jew, but God used him.

The Father of Jeroboam who sculpted stones for the Temple of Solomon was not a Jew, he was from Tyre, but God used him. Balaam was a Soothsayer from Syria, not a Jew, but God used him. So I go on?


Why was homosexuality always mentioned in the negative? As in these passages;

C.E.V (US Version) 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 
Don't you know that evil people won't have a share in the blessings of God's kingdom? 

Don't fool yourselves! No one who is immoral or worships idols or is unfaithful in marriage or is a pervert or ~~~behaves like a homosexual~~~ will share in God's kingdom. 

They (the sodomites) called out to Lot and asked, “Where are the men who came to visit you tonight? Bring them out to us so we can have sex with them!” Lot went outside to them, shut the door behind him, and said, “I urge you, my brothers, ~~~don’t do such a wicked thing.”~~~

Jude 1:7 So also Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighboring towns, since they indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire in a way similar to these angels, are now displayed as an example by suffering the punishment of eternal fire.

. 1 Kings 14:24 And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.

1 Kings 15:12  And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.

C.E.V. Judges 19:22-23 They were having a good time, when some worthless men of that town surrounded the house and started banging on the door and shouting,~~~ “A man came to your house tonight. Send him out, so we can have sex with him!”~~~ The old man went outside and said, “My friends, please ~~~don't commit such a horrible crime ~~~~against a man who is a guest in my house.

C.E.V.Judges 20:12-13
The tribes of Israel sent messengers to every town and village in Benjamin. And wherever the messengers went, they said, “How could those worthless men in Gibeah ~~~do such a disgusting thing?~~~ We can't allow such a terrible crime to go unpunished in Israel!~~~~ Hand the men over to us, and we will put them to [death].” But the people of Benjamin refused to listen to the other Israelites.

MuttleyLaff why does the Act of Homosexuality in the Bible always accompanies death?

Pls, let's concentrate on these verses. Pls tell me.


You kept screaming that I was intimidated by you, now you complain of me asking you questions. Pls answer me.

Ranchhoddas:
No make me laugh abeg.

I don't want to preempt TV but I think what Muttleylaff is saying is that the verses that appear to condemn homosexuality are mistranslated/misunderstood. That is the summary of his posts.
I'll wait for TV's response before deciding if the thread should be reduced to an issue of Greek etymology.

But Muttleylaff reduce the length of your posts. Some things are just unnecessarily repetitive.
Hit the nail on the head.

I only need to know why everytime the Act was mentioned what follows was a sentence of death. If God approves of it why was it held against?

MuttleyLaff:
Oya coman beat me now for mentioning your moniker, your copyrighted moniker abi? Maybe I should stop giving you attention

The hell with the stupid attention. If you want to give me attention, then direct my post to me, stop being childish.


Now to know I'm not shaking by you, why not be a man and do what men do?

There's no way I'd be able to quote and respond to what you cramped together up there.

The Leviticus' you quoted is laughable MuttleyLaff.

I was looking to see where any of those other abominations backed death as a sentence, but only Homosexuality did.

Try again man. Hahahahahahaha.

MuttleyLaff:
Chief, nobody is name calling you ooo. There hasnt been anything insulting or demeaning in the sweet and endearing way I've addressed you

Like i said its unimportant...and am the least bothered!

MuttleyLaff:

I have gunpowder and loads of ammo ready and more than enough for the Battle of Armageddon

You obviously look like one who has none.Another meaning for a rhetorical dude is "i have run out of steam"

MuttleyLaff:

You must be a learner. Discoveries are made by questioning answers, and advances are made by you answering questions. If I am really bro to you, you would kindly and willing have answered questions as and when asked you

At least am a learner and a good one...i cant say the same for you!
If you knew so much,why is it taking you forever to provide a simple proof to corroborate your hilarious claims
If you cant answer a question and instead ask another question,it means you have virtually nothing to offer!

MuttleyLaff:

"¹So now there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus
²And because you belong to him, the power of the life-giving Spirit has freed you from the power of sin that leads to death."
- Romans 8:1-2

....who walk not after the flesh but the spirit...i guess you forgot that part
Secondly,the scripture you put up does not say that God approves of their acts...he has not condemned the man but that doesn't mean he approves or supports their acts!
So are you saying that once there is no condemnation,a person can continue to indulge in sin?

MuttleyLaff:

The above scripture mention, is not a first time appearance on this thread

That scripture says nothing about God approving of homosexual acts!
Please where did it state that God approves of homos?

MuttleyLaff:

You've just with "... back and forth... " taken me down memory lane and reliving Cameo frontman, Larry Blackmon singing "Back And Forth". It reminded me of when that "Gbẹdu" (i.e. music) de enter my body.

Yeah back and forth...you do so in order to mask your deficiencies

MuttleyLaff:

Do I look like I care?. My life doesn't depend on you answering or not answering.

And do i look like am going to change my stance?
The joke is on you to prove that God supports homosexuals!
If Romans 8:1-2 is your patiently awaited proof that God supports and approves of homosexuals then i was right all along that your submissions were nothing but a joke and a futile and preposterous attempt to prove ridiculously that God supports homos!

MuttleyLaff:

What analogy am I fulfilling?

Read!
You have no scripture to back your homosexuality claims!

MuttleyLaff:

Lokatew. I guarantee you that if I am to provide you with scriptures, your eyes will still not clear, so why should I bother, what benefit are the ones already provided, hmm. Abeggy, comot for road jor, make better pesin enter o jaare. Shey, facts dey lie ni? Denying the truth doesn't change facts kẹ.

Ohh please stop these your evasive tactics...its not only stale but also disappointing!
If you have the scriptures,show it and not this regurgitated path that you have audaciously resorted to!
Chai

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MuttleyLaff:
Thank you so very much bloodofthelamb for sticking your head out on to the parapet. You are another of, one of my well respected posters here in Religion, because you are sensible and intelligent. You have not just more sense than common sense but you have sense wiseness too as well /quote/ thanks for the compliment! Bro muttleyLaff



bloodofthelamb, with all due respect, by your own admission, you are advancing opinion(s) on this issue, but the issue has nothing do to with "opinions" meanwhile I, on the other hand, I am gradually unravelling, the truth and presenting the issue, as it really is, with facts. I am about stating facts but others as well as you, are bent on arguing with me, without knowing the facts. This often happens when people dont take the Bible and Bible study seriously, when we are insisted upon, to read the Bible, read it properly and in context, so that we obey 2 Timothy 2:15 and always be able to "rightly divide the word of truth." /quote/ As you have rightly said context is key while we divide the word of God rightly. Apostle Paul began his letter to the Roman believers discussing the depravity of our fallen nature



It is not like, as if, everything I type, can't be looked up in the Bible, if anyone wants to try prove me wrong. Do some research of your own, on everything you find me type on this thread, to find proof of what I am saying. Believers, should do heavy lifting too and dont be waiting, sitting and looking for other people to do work for them

I read it once that, if a crooked stick is before you, you need not explain how crooked it is. Lay a straight one down by the side of it, and the work is well done. Preach the truth, and error will stand abashed

Homosexuality, per se is not a sin, Fornication, infidelity, betrayal of trust, cheating, emotional harm or trauma etcetera is a sin in a heterosexual relationship, just as it would be in a homosexual relationship/quote/ Sin per se, is more than an act/actions. It is a nature(a root) and it is manifested through actions which homosexuality is part of.

God sees nothing untoward in consensual adult homosexuality, homosexuals/lesbians and/or same sex attraction and union(s), especially one that is in, a kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, not harmful and committed life long until death do them part relationships/quote/ It cannot be possible that God sees nothing wrong with it. Man having a sexual relationship with his fellow man is not the original intent of God. Homosexuality come about because sin entered the world. muttleyLaff, I don't agree with you that God sees nothing wrong in men having a carnal knowledge of themselves there by defiling their body, which is the temple of God.



Exactly my brother, but she needed not, in that sort of "set-up or frame-up" be condemned anyway bloodofthelamb/quote/ Jesus came not int

Why dont you speak for yourself that homosexuality is a misdirected desire and passion because it isnt your nature to get attracted to someone with same sex as you, hmm?

C'mon now bloodofthelamb, this is like you saying that being lefthanded is a misdirected desire and passion.
Having genuine homosexual behaviour, as in my earlier, stated clearly and in detail, context, respect and/or circumstances, is no more abnormal than being lefthanded is bloodofthelamb. It is not evil, it is not doing anybody harm and/or anyone, as a homosexual/lesbian, arent necessarily harming others with it

Being gay, is like, being left handed. Just as some people are left handed, so, some people aren't. Nobody really knows why, except for, it's because we live in an imperfect world. It is not a matter of right or wrong here bloodofthelamb. It is a matter of thats just the way things are, that's just the way they turned out and so it is that, there is nothing abnormal in two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour

Is it possible, that love can be extraordinary, that, there is love wonderful and passing the love of women? Of course, yes, for some, there is and it is biblical

They are as bad as Pharisees. I see them as 21st century or modern age Pharisees. Have you noticed and seen how solite3 went AWOL and tight-lipped, after I ask him to tell me, solite3, when last did he lie and when does he think his next lie will be?

Exactly but at the point bloodofthelamb, where you said, I am wrong on this stand, you sorely are mistaken and it is a right sorry heart wrenching shame for me to see you like this

bloodofthelamb, if homosexuality is an abomination, thank God it isnt homosexuality per se, that is an abomination, but then if it was or say for the sake of a bloodofthelamb argument it is, then isnt it, just as bad as being a liar and/or lying? If hypothetically it is that homosexuality is a sin and/or an abomination, then why are people behaving in unpleasant ways towards homosexual(s)? Why are homosexuals singled out to bear/take/suffer etcetera the brunt of discrimination, hatred, violence, fear of their lives etcetera, huh? Is it because believers think that they are more important than they really are, when compared with fellow human beings, who by no choice of theirs, except for epigenetics, have same sex attraction, similarly like having to be lefthanded, hmm?
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MuttleyLaff:
Thank you so very much bloodofthelamb for sticking your head out on to the parapet. You are another of, one of my well respected posters here in Religion, because you are sensible and intelligent. You have not just more sense than common sense but you have sense wiseness too as well

bloodofthelamb, with all due respect, by your own admission, you are advancing opinion(s) on this issue, but the issue has nothing do to with "opinions" meanwhile I, on the other hand, I am gradually unravelling, the truth and presenting the issue, as it really is, with facts. I am about stating facts but others as well as you, are bent on arguing with me, without knowing the facts. This often happens when people dont take the Bible and Bible study seriously, when we are insisted upon, to read the Bible, read it properly and in context, so that we obey 2 Timothy 2:15 and always be able to "rightly divide the word of truth."

It is not like, as if, everything I type, can't be looked up in the Bible, if anyone wants to try prove me wrong. Do some research of your own, on everything you find me type on this thread, to find proof of what I am saying. Believers, should do heavy lifting too and dont be waiting, sitting and looking for other people to do work for them

I read it once that, if a crooked stick is before you, you need not explain how crooked it is. Lay a straight one down by the side of it, and the work is well done. Preach the truth, and error will stand abashed

Homosexuality, per se is not a sin, Fornication, infidelity, betrayal of trust, cheating, emotional harm or trauma etcetera is a sin in a heterosexual relationship, just as it would be in a homosexual relationship

God sees nothing untoward in consensual adult homosexuality, homosexuals/lesbians and/or same sex attraction and union(s), especially one that is in, a kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, not harmful and committed life long until death do them part relationships

Exactly my brother, but she needed not, in that sort of "set-up or frame-up" be condemned anyway bloodofthelamb

Why dont you speak for yourself that homosexuality is a misdirected desire and passion because it isnt your nature to get attracted to someone with same sex as you, hmm?

C'mon now bloodofthelamb, this is like you saying that being lefthanded is a misdirected desire and passion.
Having genuine homosexual behaviour, as in my earlier, stated clearly and in detail, context, respect and/or circumstances, is no more abnormal than being lefthanded is bloodofthelamb. It is not evil, it is not doing anybody harm and/or anyone, as a homosexual/lesbian, arent necessarily harming others with it

Being gay, is like, being left handed. Just as some people are left handed, so, some people aren't. Nobody really knows why, except for, it's because we live in an imperfect world. It is not a matter of right or wrong here bloodofthelamb. It is a matter of thats just the way things are, that's just the way they turned out and so it is that, there is nothing abnormal in two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour

Is it possible, that love can be extraordinary, that, there is love wonderful and passing the love of women? Of course, yes, for some, there is and it is biblical

They are as bad as Pharisees. I see them as 21st century or modern age Pharisees. Have you noticed and seen how solite3 went AWOL and tight-lipped, after I ask him to tell me, solite3, when last did he lie and when does he think his next lie will be?

Exactly but at the point bloodofthelamb, where you said, I am wrong on this stand, you sorely are mistaken and it is a right sorry heart wrenching shame for me to see you like this

bloodofthelamb, if homosexuality is an abomination, thank God it isnt homosexuality per se, that is an abomination, but then if it was or say for the sake of a bloodofthelamb argument it is, then isnt it, just as bad as being a liar and/or lying? If hypothetically it is that homosexuality is a sin and/or an abomination, then why are people behaving in unpleasant ways towards homosexual(s)? Why are homosexuals singled out to bear/take/suffer etcetera the brunt of discrimination, hatred, violence, fear of their lives etcetera, huh? Is it because believers think that they are more important than they really are, when compared with fellow human beings, who by no choice of theirs, except for epigenetics, have same sex attraction, similarly like having to be lefthanded, hmm?
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Thanks for the compliment! muttleyLaff, I do not agree with you that God sees nothing wrong in homosexuality (Men having canal knowledge of themselves, thereby defiling their body which is the temple of God). Men having a sexual relationship with their fellow men is not God's original intent/will.

Homosexuality entered the world through sin. Homosexuality defeats God's purpose and will. The will of God is that a man(male) will leave his parents and cleave unto his wife(female) and both of them will become one. Some people might be born with homosexual tendencies but that does it make it right muttleylaff. Will you say does born blind or born with some other deficiency is alright? Homsexuality is not the norm, hence abnormal.

Muttleylaff, you can't say God sees nothing untoward towards a man beding his fellow man. Pls pray, tell me how is that compatible? The anus in general, was never made for sex and its natural use is for excretal (I stand to be corrected though, that is if I am wrong here). Men have left the natural use of things and there bodies, they have inclined themselves to the unnatural ( this also was Paul's argument in Romans 1).

Man and man is never compatible sexually, even so He who made them, never made them to be in the beginning. Homsexuality is a strange desire allien to the manisfesto of the Creator. Muttleylaff, homo is part of the work of the enemy that Jesus came in the flesh to destroy.

bloodofthelamb:
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Thanks for the compliment! muttleyLaff, I do not agree with you that God sees nothing wrong in homosexuality (Men having canal knowledge of themselves, thereby defiling their body which is the temple of God). Men having a sexual relationship with their fellow men is not God's original intent/will.

Homosexuality entered the world through sin. Homosexuality defeats God's purpose and will. The will of God is that a man(male) will leave his parents and cleave unto his wife(female) and both of them will become one. Some people might be born with homosexual ten

Once again you are spot on with your brief and on point submissions

MuttleyLaff I can spot you peeping. Haven't you seen my post?

bloodofthelamb:
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Thanks for the compliment! muttleyLaff, I do not agree with you that God sees nothing wrong in homosexuality (Men having canal knowledge of themselves, thereby defiling their body which is the temple of God). Men having a sexual relationship with their fellow men is not God's original intent/will.

Homosexuality entered the world through sin. Homosexuality defeats God's purpose and will. The will of God is that a man(male) will leave his parents and cleave unto his wife(female) and both of them will become one. Some people might be born with homosexual ten

Network is really bad here, I will modify this post later because this not all I have to say. Pls bare with for quoting twice.

openmine:
Like i said its unimportant...and am the least bothered!

Why bring it up in the first place, if you really arent bothered

openmine:
You obviously look like one who has none.Another meaning for a rhetorical dude is "i have run out of steam"

You would say this, wouldnt you

openmine:
At least am a learner and a good one...i cant say the same for you!

Not that it has served you any good

openmine:
If you knew so much, why is it taking you forever to provide a simple proof to corroborate your hilarious claims
If you cant answer a question and instead ask another question, it means you have virtually nothing to offer!

You are a troll.

openmine:

....who walk not after the flesh but the spirit...i guess you forgot that part
Secondly, the scripture you put up does not say that God approves of their acts...he has not condemned the man but that doesn't mean he approves or supports their acts!
So are you saying that once there is no condemnation, a person can continue to indulge in sin?

What act are you on about, what pato gangan, in the act is giving you grief, hmm? I've asked you many times and different ways over but you are unable to explain what specifically, is wrong, evil or bad in the act

openmine:
That scripture says nothing about God approving of homosexual acts!
Please where did it state that God approves of homos?

If you say so then fair dos, my friend

openmine:
Yeah back and forth...you do so in order to mask your deficiencies

Kk

openmine:
And do i look like am going to change my stance?
The joke is on you to prove that God supports homosexuals!
If Romans 8:1-2 is your patiently awaited proof that God supports and approves of homosexuals then i was right all along that your submissions were nothing but a joke and a futile and preposterous attempt to prove ridiculously that God supports homos!

Look at the title of this thread and check out the meaning of first word starting the title or subject heading openmine. My submission has done just about that, so please, just already, suck it up and deal with it. OK?

openmine:
Read!
You have no scripture to back your homosexuality claims!

Oh please, stop the strawman mining my Ogbeni friend

openmine:
Ohh please stop these your evasive tactics...its not only stale but also disappointing!
If you have the scriptures, show it and not this regurgitated path that you have audaciously resorted to!
Chai

You really are serious with this your straw man mining business shenanigan, erh?

bloodofthelamb:
Thanks for the compliment!

It is always nice to receive a compliment and it is very inexpensive to give one.

What is with our self styled cheerleader mutual friend openmine, making it his point of duty, to turn up every time and be patting you on the back, literally for each and every comment you make on this thread, hmm?

bloodofthelamb:
muttleyLaff, I do not agree with you that God sees nothing wrong in homosexuality (Men having canal knowledge of themselves, thereby defiling their body which is the temple of God). Men having a sexual relationship with their fellow men is not God's original intent/will.

bloodofthelamb, you dont have to agree with me that God sees nothing wrong in homosexuality, as in, men having canal knowledge of themselves, thereby defiling their body which is the temple of God, as, we can agree to disagree and shake hands over it

bloodofthelamb:
Homosexuality entered the world through sin.

Out of curiosity, how, when and where did homosexuality enter the world through sin?

bloodofthelamb:
Homosexuality defeats God's purpose and will. The will of God is that a man(male) will leave his parents and cleave unto his wife(female) and both of them will become one.

Infertiles of all manner of sort, too defeats God's purpose and will, but God has no hang ups over them now bloodofthelamb

bloodofthelamb:
The will of God is that a man(male) will leave his parents and cleave unto his wife(female) and both of them will become one.

So? Is it only one road that leads to the market ni?

bloodofthelamb:
Some people might be born with homosexual ten

You didnt finish this section off, but I guess the truncated last word (i.e. ten) was going to be "tendency", right?

You are correct, some people have the tendency to have homosexual behaviour because partly due to epigenetics, are born from the womb that way, others just adopt to be gay, like for financial reason or whatnot, case in point, will be our own and home grown, Denrele, Bobrisky etcetera

bloodofthelamb, did you at all managed to read the true life story incident I shared earlier on this thread, hmm? Never mind, I'll repeat it here so that you'll get a bit of perspective on that my "some... due to epigenetics, are born from the womb that way" comment. The person, in this true life story incident, is a grown man now and is enjoying a lovingly same sex attraction relationship, supported by his mum, dad, sisters and brothers, I mean supported by the entire family, dog and all in short, but here is the most interesting part of the story and my favourite part of the story, his mum fondly recalls that, when the man was three years old, he passingly, you know like innocent kids do, that very one bright early morning day, said to her: "Mommy, when I grow up, I want to marry daddy" How does one explain, a three year old boy coming out and saying at that age, that when he grows up, he wants to marry Daddy and not Mummy, hmm bloodofthelamb? It comes from the pit of hell, right, I second-guess, you'll say hmm abi?

bloodofthelamb, I know you highly respect and hold in the utmost regard Pastor John MacArthur. Well guess what, Pastor John MacArthur, accepts and agrees with me that the context of Leviticus 18 and Leviticus 20, when talking about the Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 contents, has nothing to do with homosexuals per se, had nothing to do with acts going on between consensual adult in homosexuality, or homosexuals/lesbians and/or same sex attraction and union(s), especially one that is in, a kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, not harmful and committed life long until death do them part relationships. He in fact, admits and concedes that, they are all what I said, it is and they are, in that my lengthy 3-part long post bloodofthelamb. I am sorry, bloodofthelamb, for being the one telling you this also, but Pastor John MacArthur, on record, actually too, admits that the context of 1 Corinthians 6:9 was temple prostitution and had nothing to do with homosexual acts per se.

Along the way bloodofthelamb, have you caught up with the latest news that happened earlier this week erh? That the pope, is pushing to have part of the word(s) in Matthew 6:9-13 Lord's Prayer in the Bible changed?

So too, Pastor John MacArthur changed his perspective on the context of 1 Corinthians 6:9 as temple prostitution matter, as well as, Leviticus 18 and Leviticus 20, when talking about the Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 content subject so much that he is now saying them verses are talking about idolatry and not homosexuality. Go investigate the issue, check whether or not Pastor John MacArthur said this. in order to verify the facts. I dont do rumors nor share questionable information. Go fact check, go research everything I wrote, in that my lengthy 3-part long post, in order to verify the facts.

bloodofthelamb:
Network is really bad here, I will modify this post later because this not all I have to say. Pls bare with for quoting twice.

I noticed the ending part of your post, appeared truncated, but still got the full gist of what you were trying to say. Notice I mentioned something about your unfinished post. That is Ibadan network for you.
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Shepherd00:
Chia! What can be so hard in just quoting and responding to my post separately from others? hmm?

No, it's not about reading, it's about where to quote in other to respond. You sir, are impossible.

In other words, 'Let everything reproduce according to its kind is false? . You run around graping straws everywhere even when they slip through your hands, you fight to hold unto them.

From Animals to birds, to fish, to man let everything reproduce according to it's kind. Pls how does homosexuality fit into this.

Shepherd00 please stop this below par reasoning, so you dont know that procreation is a means to an end, and isnt really the end itself, hmmm

Shepherd00:
Is there a reason why God instructed that Noah took in each specie of animals two pairs? Pls tell me why. Were they also gay ones amongst them?

Shepherd00? Shepherd00? Shepherd00? How many times did I call you? Please tell me this is a joke question

Shepherd00:
Yes, i'd ask the name of the homosexual and the passage of the Bible it is recorded that a homosexual built a Church for the Israelites. Who was he and how do I verify it?

In the way you are behaving and doing now, you do not qualify to know. You might find out from someone else, but at least I wont be divulging that info to you

Shepherd00:
Empty words MuttleyLaff. empty words.

Time is a snitch, time will tell if empty words or not

Shepherd00:
I will ask you questions Muttley, you cannot help for explain to me what you affirm.

And, how is their percentage my problem? Do you know how many Nazarites were it Israel? God used the few. So, if He approves of homosexuals, it will be mentioned, at least once.

Do you always have to argue, just for arguing sake, hmm? So you now want to compare a Nazarine with same sex attraction minority couples hmm? Abeggy leave and free me jor

Shepherd00:
Do you remember Rehab? She was a prostitute, she was mentioned, despite God pronouncing that no Israelite shd be a prostitute. She was not only mentioned, she became a Matriarch. Do you remember Ruth? She was a Moabitess, The Lord commanded that His people shd not marry her tribe, A Jew married her any way and She become an Ancestor of the Lord.

¹⁶ The LORD said to Moses,
¹⁷ “Say to Aaron: ‘For the generations to come none of your descendants who has a defect may come near to offer the food of his God.
¹⁸ No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed;
¹⁹ no man with a crippled foot or hand,
²⁰ or who is hunchbacked or dwarfed, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles.
²¹ No descendant of Aaron the priest who has any defect is to come near to present the offerings made to the LORD by fire. He has a defect; he must not come near to offer the food of his God.
²² He may eat the most holy food of his God, as well as the holy food;
²³ yet because of his defect, he must not go near the curtain or approach the altar, and so desecrate my sanctuary.
I am the LORD, who makes them holy.
- Leviticus 21:16-23

Are you at all familiar with the above Leviticus 21:16-23 scripture? I am just asking ni ooo and just tried, bringing it, to your remembrance

Shepherd00:
MuttleyLaff, why does homosexuality always follow with negative pronouncements everytime it is referenced in the Bible?

Shepherd00, this is a Bible 101 question, and funnily enough the answer to the question I already and/or have previously answered in my post on this thread

Shepherd00:
Like who and who were prohibited? They must not be priests or prophets to be used of God remember? Cyrus was a Gentle, not a Jew, but God used him.

The Father of Jeroboam who sculpted stones for the Temple of Solomon was not a Jew, he was from Tyre, but God used him. Balaam was a Soothsayer from Syria, not a Jew, but God used him. So I go on?

Look above, you'll see who and who were prohibited

Shepherd00:
Why was homosexuality always mentioned in the negative? As in these passages;
C.E.V (US Version) 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Don't you know that evil people won't have a share in the blessings of God's kingdom?

Don't fool yourselves! No one who is immoral or worships idols or is unfaithful in marriage or is a pervert or ~~~behaves like a homosexual~~~ will share in God's kingdom.

They (the sodomites) called out to Lot and asked, “Where are the men who came to visit you tonight? Bring them out to us so we can have sex with them!” Lot went outside to them, shut the door behind him, and said, “I urge you, my brothers, ~~~don’t do such a wicked thing.”~~~

Jude 1:7 So also Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighboring towns, since they indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire in a way similar to these angels, are now displayed as an example by suffering the punishment of eternal fire.

. 1 Kings 14:24 And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.

1 Kings 15:12 And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.

C.E.V. Judges 19:22-23 They were having a good time, when some worthless men of that town surrounded the house and started banging on the door and shouting,~~~ “A man came to your house tonight. Send him out, so we can have sex with him!”~~~ The old man went outside and said, “My friends, please ~~~don't commit such a horrible crime ~~~~against a man who is a guest in my house.

C.E.V.Judges 20:12-13
The tribes of Israel sent messengers to every town and village in Benjamin. And wherever the messengers went, they said, “How could those worthless men in Gibeah ~~~do such a disgusting thing?~~~ We can't allow such a terrible crime to go unpunished in Israel!~~~~ Hand the men over to us, and we will put them to [death].” But the people of Benjamin refused to listen to the other Israelites.

The first 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 scripture, as I've already said in my lengthy 3-part long post, has nothing to do with homosexual

Now with or about the rest of the other scriptures you've put up there, if upon what I've so far written in that my lengthy 3-part long post, you still cant see why the negativity, then, I think your problem is bigger than me to be of any assistance for you. You will need Holy Spirit intervention and top up.

Shepherd00:
MuttleyLaff why does the Act of Homosexuality in the Bible always accompanies death?

As much as I love this question, I still doubt your sincerety.

You are asking this question because you have no idea of the context of Leviticus 18 and Leviticus 20 since you're only concerned with just by itself the Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 content

The kind of act of Homosexuality in the Bible that always accompanies death is the sort that as I passingly mentioned in my lengthy 3-part long post revolves around ritual sex performed during fertility god worship. This was done, under the make believe that divine blessings is obtained from indulging in such ritualistic sex. Male temple prostitutes made their services available for willing patrons or participants. Even those who weren't naturally gay, at times indulge in these sex orgies.

Textual context cannot be divorced entirely from biblical context Shepherd00, the evidence is there, that idolatry and with fertility gods, lust, temple sex, temple prostitution and promiscuous sex are the subject matter of Leviticus 18 and Leviticus 20 chapters, that feature Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13. Idolatry and with fertility gods, lust, temple sex, temple prostitution and promiscuous sex matter, that incidentally were dealt with in that Romans 1 chapter are the themes of those scripture

"No Israelite, whether man or woman, may become a temple prostitute."
- Deuteronomy 23:17

"There were even male shrine prostitutes in the land;
the people engaged in all the detestable practices of the nations the LORD had driven out before the Israelites."
- 1 Kings 14:24

When you look at scriptures, like Deuteronomy 23:17 and 1 Kings 14:24 above, you'll discover that all these illusions and false idea or beliefs were happening in the area before the Israelites arrived to inherit the land. The pagans believed they obtain divine blessing by indulging in ritualstic sex at the temple, this practice and mind thinking is what God was against. The thought and the act also, is what God found detestable. It not only was promiscious, there is cheating, betrayal, unfaithfulness, adultery, fornication etcetera going on. The only way God can stop this practice and indicate the severity, is by punishment by death. I hope this made matters clearer.

By the way and in fairness, even heterosexual acts are mentioned in the negative, just as certain homosexual acts are, and are levelled with appropiate punishments ranging up to stoning by death Shepherd00

Shepherd00:
Pls, let's concentrate on these verses. Pls tell me.

I have done already. Look up

Shepherd00:
You kept screaming that I was intimidated by you, now you complain of me asking you questions. Pls answer me.

I never screamed, so please stop being petty, and I am not complaining that you ask me questions, rather I typed something in the line of: "Please stop asking me unreasonable questions, especially when in the sight of facts"

Shepherd00:
I only need to know why everytime the Act was mentioned what follows was a sentence of death. If God approves of it why was it held against?

I have already given you a high level overview response above to this request nau Shepherd00.

Shepherd00:
The hell with the stupid attention. If you want to give me attention, then direct my post to me, stop being childish.

I made that comment, because I thought you wanted to beat me up for mentioning your moniker ni

Shepherd00:
Now to know I'm not shaking by you, why not be a man and do what men do?

Hmm, you try.

Shepherd00:
There's no way I'd be able to quote and respond to what you cramped together up there.

Didnt expect you to respond, just find a quiet place, to carefully and thoughtfully read the stuff, was what I advised you.

Shepherd00:
The Leviticus' you quoted is laughable MuttleyLaff.

I was looking to see where any of those other abominations backed death as a sentence, but only Homosexuality did.

Try again man. Hahahahahahaha.

Never mind, it isnt the first time whoosh over your head it went or happened

Shepherd00:
MuttleyLaff I can spot you peeping. Haven't you seen my post?

Bodi nobi wood, abeggy, carry una Mister peeping tom, vigilante, Nairaland neighbourhood watch wahala go. You think say, I dont listen to my body, erh? Make I no sleep, hmm? I saw your post alright, but left it replied to, unfinished because I went to sleep. I actually was fast asleep whilst still appearing present on the thread

MuttleyLaff:
Why bring it up in the first place, if you really arent bothered

You would say this, wouldnt you

Not that it has served you any good

You are a troll.

What act are you on about, what pato gangan, in the act is giving you grief, hmm? I've asked you many times and different ways over but you are unable to explain what specifically, is wrong, evil or bad in the act

If you say so then fair dos, my friend

Kk

Look at the title of this thread and check out the meaning of first word starting the title or subject heading openmine. My submission has done just about that, so please, just already, suck it up and deal with it. OK?

Oh please, stop the strawman mining my Ogbeni friend

You really are serious with this your straw man mining business shenanigan, erh?

I believed you read what I said right?....unimportant!
In other words,it doesn't contribute to the discussion!

Not a troll get used to it....funny enough,you give a label when its obvious that you tact has been discovered!

I have my reasons for detesting homosexual acts but we are not talking about opinions but about the scriptures...sticking to that without being evasive and rhetorical would have been nice...but I already know why you can't come up with a single scripture to buttress your point!

You have done absolutely nothing to prove that your watery submissions can be used to justify why God supports and allows homosexual acts!

No wonder you call me a troll...because I keep pointing out your insincerity and the fact that you are yet to offer a single scripture to prove your assertions which are basically borne out of your own logic rather that of the scriptures!

Honestly,you have nothing to offer to your submissions in terms of scriptures!

Any time you are asked to offer scriptures you start running from pillar to post trying to use sentiments and psychological questions to drag me into the messy hole you dug for yourself!

Mr/bro MuttleyLaff,just know one thing....am not going to change my stance despite your best efforts to make me go down that path with you!
I will keep insisting that you provide scriptures to back your shocking and futile submissions!
You can't make a preposterous statement that God allows,permits and supports homosexual acts and instead of using scriptures and corresponding scriptures to prove your points,you end up using your personal opinion to defend your submissions!

MuttleyLaff:

What is with our self styled cheerleader mutual friend openmine, making it his point of duty, to turn up every time and be patting you on the back, literally for each and every comment you make on this thread, hmm?

I agree with his submissions on this discus!
If that gives me a tag of a cheerleader...no probs...never said i was complaining
If you have a problem with that then that's your business!

I've been somehow mentioned several times on this thread but no notifications. Seun, I'm a lazy man, how do I start going through these pages na? MuttleyLaff should be banned oh, the posts too long na.