Empiree:
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worlexy:
Yes God allowed him to do it. Because Jesus is the son of God and that's what the Bible says "This is my beloved son". In fact Jesus is the one that will judge the world John 5:22
and Jesus said "I and the father are one" John 10:30.

And the Quran says he was given clear proof and Pure Spirit, meaning he can not lie, so anything he says is the truth

We believe that God allows him to do everything and that's why we pray in His name

Why didn't God permit Mohammed whom you call the greatest prophet to do all the miracles exclusive only to God?

And why didn't you comment on the other issues I raised

Empiree:
because your posts are irrelevant

Empiree:


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true2god:
I hope he comes back and break the cross. The muslims are still expecting him Sir.

Empiree:
just some hrs ago I referred you to previous pages on hafs and Warsh but your still came back here posting nonesense

definitely I have answered this few days ago but you failed woefully to grasp. I told you that whether it is "fought" or "killed" are simply choice of words by translators. The Arabic word used in the Qur'an and in that verse you quoted is "Qattala" which means "to kill", "to fight".

Differences come up with how the sentences are used. So Qattala is simply the way it was revealed but the meaning doesn't change. Where changes occurs are the various signs on the arabic alphabets not the word itself. Look at this Qattala in Arabic, قَتَلَ . Zoom in to pay attention to signs on the letters. Qof ق has a sign like this hyphen (-) over it. Same with ta ت and lam ل . This is the basic pronounciation قَتَلَ. It is verb.

It may also be pronounced differently with different signs above and below the 3 letters simultaneously. This can be noun but it is still the same word "Qattala".

Are you learning something?. So zoom the screenshot. But I doubt you understand anything bcus you will return here with dumb questions.

sagenaija:

Translators don’t just CHOOSE what words to use when translating a text. It must be at least a word that is closest in meaning to the word they are translating.

Now, “fight” and “killed” DO NOT mean the same thing.

So, why would a translator use one and another translator use the other?

The simple answer is that there is a problem with the original language, in this case ARABIC.

The Arabic of Mohamed’s time NEVER HAD ‘various signs on the arabic alphabets’. These came much later. Who then determined what sign to put on a word? Were they ‘INSPIRED’? Are these signs not ADDITION TO ALLAH’S word? The word that was supposed to already in existence in heaven yet when revealed left out some things? So much then for the CLEAR ARABIC that the Koran is claimed to be. If it takes so much ‘choice of words by translators’, ‘Differences come up with how the sentences are used’, ‘changes occurs are the various signs on the arabic alphabets’, ‘It may also be pronounced differently with different signs above and below the 3 letters simultaneously’, etc: and THESE ARE ALL YOUR WORDS! This again confirms my claim that ISLAM is a bunch of contradiction. It will be disingenuous of you to claim that a PRESENT TENSE of a word and a PAST TENSE of that same word do not affect the meaning of the sentence they are used in. Perhaps it is only in Islam that this is possible.

When it comes to Islam you guys will claim that DIFFERENCES are immaterial. But when it comes to any other religion you insist that such differences are enough to justify its rejection.

If how the Koran is recited around the world today is different then NOT all Korans are identical. Otherwise there should be uniformity. It is ridiculous the think that an all knowing Allah will choose to confuse his followers with all these same words that can mean different things and be used in whatever way the reader wishes.

I believe the claim that Allah allowed or gave the DIFFERENT READINGS is only a smokescreen to cover up INCONSISTENCIES and opportunity to used whichever reading is convenient to shut up questioners at any point in time.

So, again, the claim that the Koran is in CLEAR ARABIC is false. Evidence show that there are VERSIONS of the Koran that DIFFER in their words, basic letters, diacritical dots or vowels. You confirmed this.

Empiree:
you have a problem. Despite showing you screenshot you still managed to your this poo?. Even one word in Yoruba language, if translated to English may have multiple English words for it. You have problems. Even your partner got the picture already and he retreated but you vehemently and ignorantly continue to argue pigheadedly. It is disgraceful

sagenaija:

Retreating does not always mean acceptance of the other party's position.

Let's settle it this way:
Which one of my sentences in my last post is WRONG and why?
If you are able to prove me wrong then I give up.
Are game?

Empiree:
for the last time, "fought, killed" are not the words used in the Qur'an.

"Qattala" is used.

true2god:
The guy asked a valid question which you technically evaded. Which of the two words is appropriate in the text, 'fought' or 'killed'? And if you say the word used is 'qattala', what does it mean?

A simple answer please; no long explanation.

Empiree:
No more repetitive questions and answers. I am tired of this. Go back to previous pages where this was answered multiple times. Plus, my screenshots clearly affirmed my point. Help yourself

true2god:

true2god:

worlexy:
No but should we analyse the Quran too and show you evidence of inconsistencies in it?

One thing you Muslims fail to realise is that the Quran confirms the authenticity of the Bible and the Quran instructs Prophet Muhammad and you Muslims generally that if you're in doubt about what is revealed to you in the Quran, you should ask those who have been reading the scriptures before you (Quran 10:94 )

And the Quran makes it clear that the Christians and the Jews are the ones who have been reading the scriptures/Bibles.

So what Allah implies is that The Bible should be the reference and the standard because the Quran was released to confirm what was written in the Bible and not to abolish or discredit the Bible (Quran 2:41, 89, 91,97, 101) so the Bible should be used to judge the Quran authenticity and not the other way round. So by making mockery of the Bible, you're making mockery of the Quran.

Reflect on that first and when you're ready for the Quran to be analyzed, lemme know.

Rashduct4luv:


Actually, it is like you are truly confused or let's just say mistaken!

Where did you see the word "Bible" mentioned in the Qur'an?

What was mentioned was "Injeel" of Jesus son Mary and "Taorah" of Moses (Peace be on them all). The Bible today was written by over 40 people spread over several hundreds of years!

Alternatively, you can answer the question who is the author of the Bible?

true2god:
The guy asked a valid question which you technically evaded. Which of the two words is appropriate in the text, 'fought' or 'killed'? And if you say the word used is 'qattala', what does it mean?

A simple answer please; no long explanation.

Empiree:
for the last time, "fought, killed" are not the words used in the Qur'an.

"Qattala" is used.

sagenaija:

You've got it. He offers no straightforward answers to questions then turns around to say he has refuted his opponent or talks about repetitive questions.

Only the Moslem mind can see two totally contradictory statements or injunctions in their books and find nothing wrong with that.

"Common sense" or "rational thinking " seem go be far from them. The bottom line is to defend Mohamed at all cost - whether through lies or deceit.

Rashduct4luv:


Actually, it is like you are truly confused or let's just say mistaken!

Where did you see the word "Bible" mentioned in the Qur'an?

What was mentioned was "Injeel" of Jesus son Mary and "Taorah" of Moses (Peace be on them all). The Bible today was written by over 40 people spread over several hundreds of years!

Alternatively, you can answer the question who is the author of the Bible?

enilove:


True talk.

Islam is Satanically powerful, it thete4 takes the grace of God to be delivered from its bondage.

Aside from telling them the truth, Muslims need prayers as well.

iRyan:
Religion in general is. It isn't peculiar to Islam alone. Religion and ideologies we were born into exacts a strong hold on you that it is almost impossible to untangle ourselves from their grip. I was Christian before I left so I know what I am talking about. Look at you bashing a diff religion from the one you practice, if I should present to you compelling reasons on why you should quit your religion you prolly won't accede but here you are wanting Muslims to leave their religion cos someone is giving them reasons on why they should leave. If you can't be convinced out of your religion why do you expect others to be convinced out of their own beliefs?

true2god:
What's your point exactly?

iRyan:
you aren't the only one who's allowed to be devout or hold on strongly to whatever they choose to believe in. There are thousands of videos on YouTube that point out so many errors or the many things off about Christianity and yet that hasn't shaken the faith of so many christian believers but a Christian comes here, opens a thread pinpointing errors in Islam and expects Muslims to have a change of heart cornering their belief and even goes as far as claiming they are under satanic shackles like wtf. If you as a christian can justify whatever error in your belief that someone points out to you, then a Muslim should also be allowed to justify whatever you deem as inappropriate in his belief.