For completeness, I am responding to part 3 of MuttleyLaffs tri-post screed ahead of possibly summarising and closing this one out.
MuttleyLaff: PART 3 CONTINUED FROM ABOVE. I HAD TO SPLIT INTO 3 PARTS, AS WAS TOLD POST IS TOO LONG
OK, TV01, Shepherd00 and maybe openmine as well, now, the $64,000 question is, stating clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, what correctly, in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, is the committed abomination that was being done before God, hmm? (i.e. what correctly and pato, in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, is the thing that was done, that God hates and/or detests?)
None of you guys, not even bigshot TV01, with all that his big chutzpah, ever answers those question(s)
That was the abomination of confusion, of going after "strange flesh" as it were. A depraved and detestable thing.
MuttleyLaff: There is nothing bogus in my purview, but what is bogus, is the deception and lies you learned and strongly come to believe.
How you've given in to the false appearance(s) from the genuine and the false impression different to the true meaning of the text and words in Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9 and/or 1 Timothy 1:10. The truth about the text and words, in Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9 and/or 1 Timothy 1:10 have being exchanged and traded for a lie(s) that so are misleading the saints.
MuttleyLaff, you have repeatedly referred to "deceitful/misleading/mis-interpreted translations" " kindly provide the original and correct translations that Christian orthodoxy has overlooked these past 2'000 years
MuttleyLaff: When uninformed people read their English version bible(s), I mean read it, especially without knowing certain or specific things beforehand, like about truth(s) trade and exchanged in for lies, they then for some reason, think that, what they read is how the Bible has always and originally said it. They read verses that the church is and has been using to condemn gays when the Bible really hasnt condemned and doesn't condemn gays at all in any of those seven clobber verses
Christianity does not and cannot condemn gays - Christianity does not recognise such a category of person. What Christianity recognises is ss intimate behaviour as abominable.
MuttleyLaff: This thread will deconstruct the lies and shake the table that the discriminative myth of consensual adult homosexuality and unjust intolerance of consensual adult same sex union are standing on
I want to challenge people to fact check. With a presence of mind, reader(s) should investigate all I type, write or advance, in order to verify the facts, as I present them
We have done as requested and found your submissions, wanting. Ill considered as a result of ideological conviction, counter-factual, weasley, deceptive, wilfully twisted and chock full of falsehood.
MuttleyLaff: As I've previously mentioned, the word "homosexuality" was not around in Biblical times and the word "homosexual" was invented in 1868
It is Karl-Maria Kertbeny, in Germany, who originally and/or previously used the word homosexual, when he coined and introduced it first, in a private letter written in 1868 to a friend, Karl Heinrich Ulrichs
Subsequently the first known appearance of the term homosexual in print appeared in an German pamphlet written by same Karl-Maria Kertbeny the following year in 1869
We know - and this was touched on earlier in the thread. Although this word was used to try and justify ss acts, needless to say, regardless of the descriptives used, physical intimacy between members of the ss is disordered and dysfunctional.
MuttleyLaff: Another interesting to know, is that the original Greek word in the Bible (i.e. "arsenokoites'') that has now been adopted as meaning homosexual is actually a translation from the result of combining of two words "arsen" and "koites" which literally means "man and beds"
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and 1 Timothy 1:8-11 are the only two times, in the Bible's entire history, that the word "arsenokoites" is used and seen
It would be exciting to know, why Paul, in 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10, when inventing this word "arsenokoites", where in his construct, he used man, in singular and then used beds, in plural. Never mind, I'll tell you why and keep you out of misery. It had to do with Paul, talking about and/or against infidelity, promiscuity, philandering, hopping from one bed to another bed, having multiple and/or casual sexual relationships, having affair(s), screwing around etcetera
This is your intentionally false assertion, based on an intentionally false interpretation of the words used. Pauls use of the words arsenos and koites directly refers to Greek renderings of the OT prohibitions against ss intimacy in Leviticus (18;22 and 20:13 as noted).
Your pusillanimous attempt to pluralise the word "bed" and reach to claim it means "promiscuity", and promiscuity is the issue is stunning in it's audacity.
MuttleyLaff: Man thinks he has given a witty response. SMH. At least from this your reply, there is nowhere in the Bible nor anywhere that God condemns same sex union
LEVITICUS!!!!!
MuttleyLaff: I asked this comedian a question about context, biblical and historical context, that is, but he ignored the question and refused to address it. No problem, that is not going to stop anything. I have given 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10 a mention and commented on them, so lets now start on Romans 1 too now.
As we can see, that TV01, in order to more likely obfuscate, rather than enlighten, TV01 volunteers the whole of Romans 1, as evidence, knowing fully well that Romans 1 is a book with a total of 32 verses. What a very crafty person, TV01 is behaving that way, isnt he?
Anyway, that wouldnt stop us forging on with this thread, as judging by the context of Romans 1, the evidence is there, that idolatry and with fertility gods, lust, temple sex, temple prostitution and promiscuous sex are the subject matter of the chapter. Idolatry and with fertility gods, lust, temple sex, temple prostitution and promiscuous sex matter are dealt with in that Romans 1 chapter and it really is important, to note that, all of these concerns, would be equally as sinful, whether heterosexual or homosexual in nature.
Textual context cannot be divorced entirely from biblical context, so Paul with and/or in Romans 1 chapter, was in fact, talking of those going to the fertility temples of the day, to indulge in sex orgies and some engaging in ritual sex under the guise to get divine blessings and was not anywhere in that chapter criticizing consensual SS attraction and SS relationships adults or declaring them to be wrong or evil. This fact will be shocking for some, and be too much of a bitter pill, that they can not easily swallow, even if that does occurs, it will cause them indigestion like nothing they've ever had before.
Lies. First, the condemnation of ss activity only starts from around v18. Second it is a universal outcry against mankind suppressing, denying and rebelling against God, not specifically about temple prostitution or ritual sex orgies.
"No Israelite, whether man or woman, may become a temple prostitute." - Deuteronomy 23:17
There were even male shrine prostitutes in the land; the people engaged in all the detestable practices of the nations the LORD had driven out before the Israelites. - 1 Kings 14:24
Committed, faithful, honest, lasting life time same sex relationships have been there from time immemorial TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera, and Paul wasnt in Romans 1, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 ranting about that at all, at all.
Paul was "ranting" against all forms of ss activity/behaviour. The OT verses noted above just show that if Paul had wanted to refere to temple prostitutes, there were extant words that would have been quite suitable.
MuttleyLaff: What Paul was ranting about in Romans 1, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 was the infidelity, promiscuity and the cult practice of having sex with patrons as a form of deity worship. This custom was rampant and happened in the Old Testament in the lands before the Israelites arrived too.
We all know Leviticus 20:13 is Leviticus 18:22 and vice versa, but not all, I mean the likes of TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr know or realise that, Paul actually re-echoed Leviticus 20:13 and Leviticus 18:22 with 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 and know that the problem Paul was addressing with Romans 1, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 isnt and/or wasnt about same sex relationships with fidelity but it was something else entirely different to that, which has again reared its head with the Gentile
Answered above
MuttleyLaff: There is this strong common thread going through Leviticus 20:13, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 and it ties them together but it eludes the most astute. Peoples perception of this matter isnt what they think and learned it to be.
So what is happening and/or what happened in Romans 1:25-28? Well, for your information TV01, Sheherd00, openmine, silite3 and others, Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27 is a rehash of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, like I've probably already mentioned, but with a twist
Shoot yourself in the foot. The Levitical prohibitions were universally against ss activity. If the verses in the NT echoed them, then they are also universal.
MuttleyLaff: Paul, with Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27, is echoing what happened around when Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 were given. He then added the twist (i.e. Romans 1:26b: ... [b]for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature) which is, the women too, have joined to be participants in the ongoing "detestable customs practised". It essentially was like Deja Poo The feeling that Paul has "seen" and read this crap happen before way in the Canaan-Israelites days, but now in double force.
The remedy, the first step to realign, to shake off the lies, will be, for staters, to review 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9, and look into what[/b] "malakois" and "arsenokoites" really means. I strongly advise the likes of TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera to do just that, instead of opting to alternatively plastering their opinions and beliefs here, as opposed the truth and real meaning of those words.
The epiphany of what the "the detestable customs that were practiced" in Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 were, will sooner or later occur, after the reviews.
It is an insufferable practice for God to bear and that's why God voiced His disapproval over the detestable custom being practised
It is the only ONE reason, that this sexual sin, that this particular sexual immorality, is condemned as committing abomination unto God whilst other sexual sins or other sexual immoralities like, adultery in Leviticus 20:10, incest in Leviticus 20:11-14 or bestiality in Leviticus 20:15, escape the mention to be condemned as an abomination unto God or as one thing, God dislikes intensely
TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera, there are so many other places, in the bible about this satanic ritual, sexorgyand detestable custom being practised, a few case in points, like Deuteronomy 23:17 and 1 Kings 14:24, are mirror versions of Paul's 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and 1 Timothy 1:10, where God, said, He so much, disliked intensely, the practice.
Yes. God decrees the confusion and depravity of ss behaviour abominable - standalone or as part of idolatrous temple worship
MuttleyLaff: To those, getting very well tuned in to this frequency, there is evidence of homosexual(s), during Jesus times, building "church" for the Israelites. There is evidence of homosexual(s), during Jesus time seeking Him. There is evidence of Jesus engaging with homosexual(s) and not for a single moment minded or be bothered about that. Where is the evidence of Jesus objecting to adult consensual same sex couples having a romantic faithful caring and loving relationship until death do them apart etcetera, hmm?
Jesus actively engaged with sinners -it's why he came. And Jesus would not have recognised anyone as homosexual. Further The Lord pointed to the creational design and intent of sex between male and female within marriage.
MuttleyLaff: What you've repeatedly done is to continually make extraordinary lies, because unlike what you, TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera believe, God never said homosexuality and/or homosexuals per se, was or is an abomination. Shepherd00 had been regurgitating and parrotting this belief, almost all over this thread, living up to the saying, that when the cat is not about, the mouse takes it upon itself to have fun and a field day
Oh yes He did. Directly - Leviticus etc. And indirectly - The Lord pointing to the male/female & marriage archetypes, and via Apostles, including Paul, Peter & Jude.
MuttleyLaff: People like TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera have being parrying, dodging, sidestepping questions and/or give asked questions, a wide berth. None of them seems able nor capable to respond. They each and all act, in an evasive ways, when explicitly and clearly, asked, easy, simple, sensible, straightforward and direct pointed questions, like about, 1/ Why did God say "homosexuality" is an abomination? 2/ What is the reason why God found allegely "homosexuality" detestable? 3/ What is detestable about adult consensual same sex couples having a romantic faithful caring and loving relationship until death do them apart etcetera?
All responded to - repeatedly.
MuttleyLaff: All and each questions of the three above questions should have been given outright answers, which could be: respond with details, respond with yes, no or I dont know, but what do we see, read or get as responses? Nada, nothing or at worst just proof-texting and doing gra-gra upadan the forum like TV01 and Shepherd00 do. They dont know it is the same historical reason, background and circumstances why God in Leviticus 19:28, was against tatooing, but like in a classic and typical sheeple style and way, hook line and sinker, just believe that, tatooing per se, is a sin. SMH.
Posters like TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera like dropping words, like "perversion" and/or "abomination" to sound big, but asking them why and how "homosexuality" is wicked, is an abomination, is perversion, becomes inexplicably for them to do or answer
They fancifully just drop and use the word "abomination", like as if they're well informed to know the context of how the word originally was used, when in actual fact dont u,nderstand and know.
Well, this thread is already long as it is, so that is why, I have just ordinarily pasted and left the above screenshot there, just for TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, jesusjnr etcetera, to stare at and be scratching their heads at too. Anyone interested in wanting to know more on it, should just holler, because even if you know a thousand things, the right is, to ask the man who knows, the one thing you don't know about
There is a lot more in this tank, I still havent scratched the surface, I havent delved into this thing and matter properly at all, all because Shepherd00 finds long posts to be dizzying. Besides, the portal had alreadt auto warned me that this post is too long, thus making me adjust and reduce it. Posters like Ranchhoddas, God bless him, for snapping at me with his interjecting caustic and irritable comments, that just humbles me. "Ni ile aiye, ka sha ma shey daada" loosely translated means "lets just be doing and saying good in this world we are living in" Though I still love you Ranchhoddas, I should be taking back that earlier given "oti sewọn" chilled cold bottle of orijin and a truckload of kolanuts.
My hands are tied for now to continue and go on. I will return whatever serve TV01, Shepherd00, openmine, etcetera brings and possibly might even up the ante a bit. You know maybe, go into the deep end, to increase what is at stake or widen the scope under discussion. So if you dont know how to swim or dont have a life-jacket, just stay on the thread, only be reading and not comment or contribute like sensible jesusjnr, solite3 and others like him do.
Watch some people, like TV01 and Shepherd00, in particular, are just a glutton for punishment, so look out for them, as they gung-ho come back, and get punished more for their gluttony cc Goshen360, elated177, Image123, jesusjnr, luvmijeje, budaatum, Ranchhoddas, ThothHermes, VBCampaign, Michellekabod2, Baddiezz, Agrogbeide, TV01, Shepherd00, kkins25, fykes, EmperorHarry, Heathen777, Ubenedictus, FOLYKAZE, Paraltero, alBHAGDADI, Maestro21, shadeyinka, HappyPagan, ujnwachukwu, openmine, solite3
It's over MuttleyLaff - quit while you are behind, lest you end up in the behind
/\/\/\ Thank you very much my dear good sire, I shall respond back to the above and previous reply, that's aside the above, as quickly and possibly as I can. My attention is solely now on yours
TV01: For completeness, I am responding to part 3 of MuttleyLaffs tri-post screed ahead of possibly summarising and closing this one out.
That was the abomination of confusion, of going after "strange flesh" as it were. A depraved and detestable thing.
MuttleyLaff, you have repeatedly referred to "deceitful/misleading/mis-interpreted translations" " kindly provide the original and correct translations that Christian orthodoxy has overlooked these past 2'000 years
Christianity does not and cannot condemn gays - Christianity does not recognise such a category of person. What Christianity recognises is ss intimate behaviour as abominable.
We have done as requested and found your submissions, wanting. Ill considered as a result of ideological conviction, counter-factual, weasley, deceptive, wilfully twisted and chock full of falsehood.
We know - and this was touched on earlier in the thread. Although this word was used to try and justify ss acts, needless to say, regardless of the descriptives used, physical intimacy between members of the ss is disordered and dysfunctional.
This is your intentionally false assertion, based on an intentionally false interpretation of the words used. Pauls use of the words arsenos and koites directly refers to Greek renderings of the OT prohibitions against ss intimacy in Leviticus (18;22 and 20:13 as noted).
Your pusillanimous attempt to pluralise the word "bed" and reach to claim it means "promiscuity", and promiscuity is the issue is stunning in it's audacity.
LEVITICUS!!!!!
Lies. First, the condemnation of ss activity only starts from around v18. Second it is a universal outcry against mankind suppressing, denying and rebelling against God, not specifically about temple prostitution or ritual sex orgies.
Paul was "ranting" against all forms of ss activity/behaviour. The OT verses noted above just show that if Paul had wanted to refere to temple prostitutes, there were extant words that would have been quite suitable.
Answered above
Shoot yourself in the foot. The Levitical prohibitions were universally against ss activity. If the verses in the NT echoed them, then they are also universal.
Yes. God decrees the confusion and depravity of ss behaviour abominable - standalone or as part of idolatrous temple worship
Jesus actively engaged with sinners -it's why he came. And Jesus would not have recognised anyone as homosexual. Further The Lord pointed to the creational design and intent of sex between male and female within marriage.
Oh yes He did. Directly - Leviticus etc. And indirectly - The Lord pointing to the male/female & marriage archetypes, and via Apostles, including Paul, Peter & Jude.
All responded to - repeatedly.
It's over MuttleyLaff - quit while you are behind, lest you end up in the behind
You were crying foir his response. Now he has dropped it nd u say its cumbersome Muttleylaff, after all your effort ,they say your poost is full of cum...too bad
I don't expect you to get it. If one is engaged in a discussion with many people asking and answering questions, how will you go about responding?
I asked a different question from the next person, why not address my response to me?
Primarily,lets be perspicuous on your misplaced line of thought,you never forced me into any river because i was never there in the first place! Secondly,your usage of a closed mind attitude is not only flawed but another of your jaded and poignantly churned out words to label people who don't agree with your shallow and indecipherable opinions! If you are referring to your intransigent submissions hoping to force it down to people in order to cajole about homosexual acts,then you failed woefully!
You were unable to inveigle in your rib-tickling and odious submissions that God permits and allows homosexual acts which should have served as a base for your vacuous argument esp with firm inclinations on scriptures which you say you believe in...Unfortunately,your perfunctory usage of personal logic as a last ditch effort to prove your asseveration only serves as a validation that you never had a single scripture to evince!
Yeah....Once anyone has a squabble or altercation with you or ultimately, boxes you to a corner,you regrettably and ingloriously churn out name tags to sound admissible! Am used to your kind...dem plenty for nairaland esp in the religious section!
Any circumspect individual that has perused the back and forth between us will agree that you have not only being evasive and rhetorical,you have also backed your submissions with more of your logic than scriptures...disagree right? Now show that am wrong by providing scriptures to assuage your farcically written presentations that God adores and tolerates homosexual acts! No stories!
See this one? If the thread was about using personal opinions or human logic which is always subject to controversies about homosexual acts,that would have been a different issue entirely.. However, the interest was how you would use scriptures to prove that God grants and tolerates homosexual acts! So asking me about my beef or my personal opinion about homosexual acts is not only a diversion but going off tangent and venturing into another issue entirely which is your ploy to mask your ineptitude to present a single scripture that agrees with what you profess! I must confess i like that strategy but it doesn't work with me esp when the user is periphrastic!
You know the time adopted to make your stale and repetitive "troll" hogwash would have given you ample period to ratify your submissions even though i am fully convinced that you really dont have any to bequeath! That has been your blueprint! So am the least bit perturbed!
You dont need to argue anything, I wasnt requiring you to argue anything. I am just presenting facts, the least you can do, is fact check. Fact check each and all I have so far typed, just like a Berean and a good student of 2 Timothy 2:15 will do.
I wont be surprised, if you haven't also misunderstood what Paul wrote and what Paul was saying in Romans Chapter 1, along with 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 and so thereby wrongly say things Paul was not at all saying.
Just watch, as I respond individually to the recent comments TV01, Shepherd00 and openmine have just made immediately above.
I've been offline for some days, I expected that when I come here I'd see your response as per the other type of homo sex which The Lord God approves of.
You said He condemns and abhors the temple orgies which you rightly said is a form of ritualistic worship to a pagan god, but does not condemn the other type.
Which kind of homosex is right? With scriptures pls, since we see the Temple sex orgies type in scriptures.
MuttleyLaff: Thank you very much for at least having the decency to admit and acknowledge that I have written volumes on the issue and the argument discussion that homosexuality wasn't specifically mentioned on the Greek.
Now, having said that, you are very correct that homosexuality wasn't specifically mentioned on the Greek, and this for the reason that, if Paul had wanted to use the Greek words for homosexuality, he had 17 words to choose from, but he never used any of them because he wasnt talking, never talked and wasnt interested in talking about homosexuality or consensual adults in a faithful, caring, loving until death do them apart etctera same sex relationship.
MuttleyLaff. You didn't answer the questions sir. It says look at the verses and say it's not talking against homosex. As far as these verses see concerned, there have nothing to do with Satanic Temple sex orgies. Does it?
"You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Lev 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination : they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them."
By word for word translation, say what these verses say.
Dont mind him jaare, thats how crybabies star do. Like he do
You dont know these guys like I do. I know everything about each and everyone of them. I know how they think, know how and what they breathe, know when and how they sleep, know what they eat, know when and how they like eating, know when they fart and shiit, know the color of their shiits sef
I kept telling and reminding them that, I not only, mounted this dragon beast, rode and tamed it, but I also, slayed it too, then after killing it, I dissected it, to find out what the dragon beast's been feeding on, and that this is how I got to know, with the help of the Holy Spirit, so much about this subject matter and them too. I was waiting for each of them round the corner. You see, in situations like this, you bide your time, smoke people out, draw them into the open, then either get hold of them with the belt of their trousers or get a wrist hold of them and/or pin them down so they dont have any easy chance to escape or try to evade capture. Going for the jugular, would be a last resort.
I deliberately stopped myself from replying to the three musketeers individual last posts done before yours because I wanted them to stew. I wanted the impact of what I've so far typed, sink and settle in. I have the replies to their last posts done but sitting on my MAC
My gloves are still on, imagine the damage I would inflict, if I were to take off my gloves. I also have being holding back myself, and just being throwing half punches, hitting them with kid gloves and not forceful ones
I said it before, that I have gunpowder and loads of ammo ready and more than enough to face the Battle of Armageddon
Hahahahahahaha haha. Pls answer the simple question Shadeyinka asked you. Is; "You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Lev 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination : they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them." talking about homosex?
MuttleyLaff: None of these guys would know what hit them, as they dont know what colour of bird, in my pocket, I am gradually pulling out. Besides, I havent even started on any of them yet. Is it the one whose dedication was spamming the thread with his strawman mining, and asking me to show him where in the Bible, God permits homosexual acts or where God loves, tolerates and likes homosexual acts etcetera. Or the one finding long posts challenging to read, or even is it, the one with his fraudulent replies to my lengthy 3-section long post, whose greatest enemy isn’t ignorance, but is his illusion of knowledge.
Oh Shadeyinka, I havent replied to you because, I was just giving you time enough to properly going over the thread, so you can be up-to-date with what so far all along has being written to the thread
Hot pile of steaming shit. Just answer the question before you break your chest with your hands.
MuttleyLaff: He is a snake, and that is not to be taken as insulting or malicious, but as an observation made. The mask fell off, revealing his true face color. C'mon now, be honest, have I not already addressed the question that he asked me, in the link I sign posted him to?
I nowhere said he ran out of steam openmine. I said he couldnt stand the heat, so why he made a sharpish and unceremonial exit
God permits, tolerates and adores genuine love. Wherever mutual genuine love abides, God is there openmine. Capisce?
He asked you a question which you couldn't answer, yet he is the one feeling the heat? I never knew men to be unserious. It's demeaning to say the least.
You just first, show me, in the Bible, where a decent recipe for nkwobi or isiewu is then I'll oblige you, tell or show you, where God permits, tolerates and love homosexual acts in the Bible. I am more than happy to settle you with this my final, fair and generous offer. Please take it, otherwise leave it and forever stay put
MuttleyLaff: Showing off using big cheesy words, in a desperation to appear and look smart (check) => ✓ This one almost escaped my mind to add to your list of infamy repertoire
I have told you what to do. I am here waiting to give you answers to your question, which incidentally in my lengthy 3 section long post, I have advanced information that answered your question, but nonetheless will repeat the information, the moment you respond to my offer on the table, otherwise, like previously mentioned, put up and forever shut up.
Please stop doctoring, editing and changing my post to misrepresent me and what originally was typed. Such dishonesty chai mtchew. SMH. Only a loser will descend to that level of nonsense
You must using your altarego to like your post, for anyone who reads your junk and likes them is in a worst state than you.
MuttleyLaff: Cant you see how much of a pitiful sorry faced loser he is. If not for Jesus...
Grapes and not picked from Thorn bushes. Funny how your back up pal is a lesbian atheist.
So far how many Christians, be it JW, Catholics, LDS, or Evangelicals are in support of your stance? None. Only God-hating unbelievers who do not subscribe to what matters to God.
*Drum roll please!: ... and the award for the thread's best liar goes to openmine
The truth always comes out one way or another and so with the four above screenshot grabs, I have exposed your subterfuge and lies against me. A liar's worst eneny is someone with a fairly good memory.
You isolated my comments from the events and points that lead up to them, you showed my comments only just to make up lies of me, misrepresent me and to mislead others by presenting them, only just as the segmented boxed stars shown above.
I knew you took my comments out of context and lifted them out, in isolation of how they came about, but what I now dont know about someone like you, is how you can tell so many barefaced fanstatic lies about me, not feel bad about it and continue to still make up further and more lies about me, like lying about what I've said, without minding how or considering the preceding circumstances behind why I said whatever it is I might have said. I dislike liars intensely, like you and what you've done, actually especially for lying, when all I was doing was keeping it real on the thread.
I have resigned myself to not again exchange with someone like you, who believes their lies about me, concocted up in their own head. You cant constantly be lying against me and expect me to remain interested in you because compulsive or pathological liars like you are, are very difficult to have an engagement with, and you've betrayed the trust, of me taking anything you anymore say on face value.
The lies didnt bothers me, it's the way you used the lies to twist matters up to suit your agenda and never felt bad about that plus aside the fact of your make up lies, it was how you showed to everyone that you are a troll and heckler here to disturb the peace and be insulting.
I wish, you ignore me, same way, I am just about after this post going to start ignoring you
# Ignore Mode ON. Poof!! Magic. # Phew!! The unclean and lying spirit has been too long strong out in here
My apologies for the tardy riposte amigo..... Had some stuffs to do at work...also needed to give you a befitting 'Au revoir' and relieve you of your already battered and dilapidated state of mind! Now let me x-ray your array of cacophonous,benighted,lumbering and atrocious comments which you said was supposedly your last comment after wasting your sleepless night. Nevertheless, i highly doubt that your already obliterated and rattled ego would prevent you from staying off my mentions!
My stance still remain unambiguous and unruffled! Little wonder why some one acknowledged such stance....
Got to say, I admire the care with which you chose your words. You have nobly insisted on 'scripture', and "acts", both which stand insurmountable to God's permission, it would seem.
Muttley! I promised to tell and I'm telling you now. Stop with the eggshells or shift!
If MuttleyLaff aka the evasive master can dispense scriptures to back his submissions,i can assure him that i will leave this thread! However, all this guy did was try to dispute other participants who had provided clear scriptures to prove otherwise when he himself is yet to offer a single scripture to strengthen his stance or argument!
Now the title of the thread is....
Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union)
However,the title of the thread in a nutshell is God OKAYS consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union using SCRIPTURES AS A FULCRUM (FULCRUM is a foundation or base or focal point in case he thinks am misinterpreting his words)
When i asked that his submissions be backed by scriptures,this was his assertive response;
SCRIPTURES are already coming on the thread from ME, more FAST and FURIOUS to come,the minute TV01 begins to answer those my first set of four easy, simple, straightforward and direct salvo questions discharged at him
That's using scriptures as a focal point to rein-force his hypothesis! Anyone can check this on the first two pages of this thread as reference! If he can delete his own,he can't delete the response i made to that comment!
Now,this is where the OP got his lackadaisical thread totally flawed! Now postulations can't be made without a reference to an article or work which will be used to fortify your argument or stance! The same applies to doctrine and scriptures! You can't wake up one day and make postulations using God and yet can't reference a single scripture from the bible to reinforce your claims! This is what OP said.....
God SEES NOTHING UNTOWARD in consensual adult homosexuality, homosexuals/lesbians and/or same sex attraction and union(s), especially one that is in, a kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, not harmful and committed life long until death do them part relationships
The meaning of UNTOWARD:unsuitable,unwelcome,inappropriate Now in his own words,God sees nothing unsuitable or unwelcome or inappropriate with homosexual acts! (consensual or not) Which in explicit terms,implies that God sees homosexual acts(whether consensual or not) as suitable,welcoming and appropriate! I dont need further breaking down of NOTHING UNTOWARD
However,OP said i am a liar and i misinterpreted his words which he tagged as 'strawman mining'
Oh please, stop the strawman mining my Ogbeni friend You really are serious with this your straw man mining business shenanigan, erh?
For those who dont know,
STRAWMAN MINING A strawman mining is essentially a misrepresentation of an opponent's argument by comparing a statement one's opponent has made with a false!
Now if one says that God sees "nothing untoward",which suggests that God welcomes and finds suitable such acts! So why say that i misrepresented his own words when he was implying that God okays homosexual acts!
When he noticed that the pressure was getting intense He coined out a witless and prosaic joke!
You just first, show me, in the Bible, where a decent recipe for nkwobi or isiewu is then I'll oblige you, tell or show you, where God permits, tolerates and love homosexual acts in the Bible. I am more than happy to settle you with this my final, fair and generous offer. Please take it, otherwise leave it and forever stay put
Nevertheless,he finally succumbed and made a "super story" confession...
MuttleyLaff: Listen, because I am not going to REPEAT myself, I didnt open this thread to "reel out 'SCRIPTURES' that proves that God permits, tolerates and love homosexual acts!". The title of the thread is self explanatory enough, so please, get that straight. Thank you very much.
When Advocate MuttleyLaff perceived that he has been boxed into a corner,he retracted his earlier stance with a plea and a rhetorical request....
MuttleyLaff: Ogbeni openmine, lets rewind. Wipe slate clean OK? Now, openmine, it is a simple easy, short, direct and straightforward question. Do you have scripture(s) where God does not permit homosexual acts? As in consensual adults in a faithful trusting, kind, loving caring, long life until death do part same sex relationship, hmm?
Knowing fully well that he might crack under pressure as he always does,i kept insisting....
You are putting too much words on this! Or let me make it easier for you before you say you were wrongly misquoted! God permits and allows homosexual acts..YES OR NO?
...which He finally admitted and indecorously agreed that God LOVES and PERMITS homosexual acts after accusing me of "strawman mining" claptrap....
I have said this before, that,at appropriate times, appropriate SCRIPTURES will be shared
This is the same guy that had earlier said he had no scripture to reel out wahala dey...
No wonder the scriptures talked about his kind!
"A double minded man is unstable in all his ways." James 1:8 King James Version (KJV)
I leave us to the hands of those who will read and study this thread both in the present and in the nearest future!
Once again Advocate MuttleyLaff,do you have scriptures to buttress your submissions that God loves,welcomes,permits and finds suitable the acts of homosexuality whether consensual or not?
MuttleyLaff: /\/\/\ Thank you very much my dear good sire, I shall respond back to the above and previous reply, that's aside the above, as quickly and possibly as I can. My attention is solely now on yours
MuttleyLaff: Listen, because I am not going to repeat myself, I didnt open this thread to "reel out 'scriptures' that proves that God permits, tolerates and love homosexual acts!". The title of the thread is self explanatory enough, so please, get that straight. Thank you very much. Go troll and heckle on another thread
Are you serious? MuttleyLaff this is outright lies. If this thread is not about God being pleased, loving, approving, and tolerating SSR why then have you been using the scriptures you loaded this thread with? Why did you even mention God in this first place? What occasioned this thread? Was it not to proof to TV01, I and the rest that God has no problem with homosex?
You made so much noise and you are still on about it, talking about the earth shaking evidences that you'd bring up to support your claims, and here you are diverting the main purpose of this thread?
Why did you refuse to respond to my thread?
I'm glad this is happening, who we really are is manifesting.
MuttleyLaff: openmine, ọrẹ, it is a simple easy, short, direct and straightforward question nau.
Do you have scripture(s) where God does not permit homosexual acts? As in, do you have scriptures, where God does not permit consensual adults, having a faithful trusting, kind, loving caring, long life until death do part same sex relationship, hmm?
@ bolded. You mean he shd answer your simple easy, short and direct question as you answered this;
"You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Lev 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination : they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them."?
Are you serious? MuttleyLaff this is outright lies. If this thread is not about God being pleased, loving, approving, and tolerating SSR why then have you been using the scriptures you loaded this thread with? Why did you even mention God in this first place? What occasioned this thread? Was it not to proof to TV01, I and the rest that God has no problem with homosex?
You made so much noise and you are still on about it, talking about the earth shaking evidences that you'd bring up to support your claims, and here you are diverting the main purpose of this thread?
Why did you refuse to respond to my thread?
I'm glad this is happening, who we really are is manifesting.
At-least am not the only one who saw the duplicity and shenanigans of Adv. MuttleyLaff!
MuttleyLaff: Ah, Chief, please dont be like with how others or some do with bible verses, take out of context whatever I might have typed nau. Please have the decency to consider, whatever you see me type, in context with the content nau. So I ask you the simple easy, short, direct and straightforward question again. Good morning to you too!.
Do you have scripture(s) where God does not permit homosexual acts? As in, do you have scriptures, where God does not permit consensual adults, having a faithful trusting, kind, loving caring, long life until death do part same sex relationship, hmm?
What is out of context about This?
Are these verse talking about homosexuality? "You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Lev 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination : they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them."
MuttleyLaff: You do know that 100% of any moniker I have cc'ed on this thread are allies of yours hmm? They each share your sentiments and hatred of same sex relationships, so now tell me, how come they are my advocates or me asking them to help me out, hmm? Think about it now openmine, it isnt rational reasoning. Who does that huh?
Again, biko, do you have scripture(s) where God does permit homosexual acts? As in, do you have scriptures, where God does not permit consensual adults, having a faithful trusting, kind, loving caring, long life until death do part same sex relationship, hmm?
Dont disregard the thread's #9 rule of not to be changing posters' comment and misrepresenting the original content, pack that silly habit in already please. People have perfected this art so much from exposure to how original Bible text meaning was changed and strange unoriginal words were introduced into the Bible, they have brought the practice to this thread, na wa ooo. Are you a yahoo boy? #NairaMarley
Here are the scriptures and many more. Do you want me to post them?
"You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Lev 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination : they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them."
please do. Also explain how God define marriage as between a man and a woman and any other sexual relationship outside that is defilement. will you change God's definition by adding or subtracting from it?
Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
paul calls same sex affection as vile.
if it is harmless and acceptable why was it called a vile affection.
Wait for him to twist the underlying meaning of 'vile affection'
So you do accept and agree that I did and have advanced a response, ehn? You are doing and playing an Oliver Twist "I want more" card, asking for more, after I have already given as much as needed to be given at this point of time. My remit isnt at all, for now to show where God support homosexuality in the Bible because I am more concerned about shaterring the myth and exposing the lies perpetrated against consensual adult homosexuality/same sex union. Please respect that.
I wouldnt either over your question too
Now you are talking, because this is exactly the reason for opening this thread, to talk about the "adding or subtracting" done to the Bible in order to portray same sex attraction and relationship acts as wrong, evil bad and something to hate
Paul never called faithful, truthful, loving, trusting caring same sex relationship done in privacy. He actually was referring to sex acts done in ritualistic temple, sex orgies settings etcetera vile affection. He was talking of heterosexual couples prostituting themselves temple prostitutes r financial gain etcetera, behaving as gays, when naturally they arent
"You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Lev 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination : they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them." Does this refer to homosexuality or sex orgies?
Sex orgy is free sex with many people at once done interchangeably in or outside the Temple.
So, does the above verse imply that The Lord was referring to individuals or a large group of sex abusers?
Mr MuttleyLaff. Pls direct me to one faithful, truthful, loving, trusting caring same sex relationship done in privacy in the Bible. Start from Abraham's era.
What of I, that wrote it. I that spent precious time and slavish effort to comprehensively and justifiably share such information. It was even a second attempt after a previous inadvertently got deleted.
People are now used to fast food, quick meal these days, to read more than 6-7 lines of text have become a serious bother
You knew what would have happened if you stayed on the thread with me. I would have showed you how lie like a cheap Persian throw rug . You knew that by the time, I was done with you, you would come out and fall apart, like a cheap suit, that has its loose thread yanked and pulled.
Well, sorry. You wasted your time because nothing you wrote there holds water.
Nodogragra4me: The same applies to you. You don't know your league Having read a couple of badly written so called history books you imagine you were ready to take on anybody . Small boy
MuttleyLaff. You didn't answer the questions sir. It says look at the verses and say it's not talking against homosex. As far as these verses see concerned, there have nothing to do with Satanic Temple sex orgies. Does it?
"You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Lev 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination : they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them."
By word for word translation, say what these verses say.
He wouldn't give you an answer because the truth will destroy his high horse. His arguments had been 1. The word "homosexuality" is a recent invention hence all the Greek translations that use the word is wrong. 2. Sexual immorality means reckless use of sex i.e. either non consentual or as part of orgies or with multiple indiscriminate partners.
On these arguments he had based all his theology. Now, he had been presented with two Scriptures
I know you have written volumes on this issue and the argument that homosexuality wasn't specifically mentioned on the Greek. No problem! HOWEVER, Please, look at the two Scriptures below of man having sex with a man as with a woman and tell me it isn't refering to homosexuality?
Homosexuality: Lev 18:22: "You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
Lev 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination : they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be on them."
And instead of directly answering the question asked, he wants to repeat flogging a dead horse: is it to bring it back to life?
An abomination is an abomination: it is at the level of what you call grevious sins deserving not less than EXECUTION in the sight of God.
He is a Gay and Homosexual, hence he wants to justify it as not stopping him being a Christian.
MuttleyLaff: Naija will catch up and stop stripping people stark naaked [/b]Naija in five to fifteen years time, will have same sex persons in government. Mark my words [/b]
Good buff and fit body though. The knight in shining armour at the end carried her in his arms. Ended good at the end.
And that will make it right before God abi? Sir, this is the Beast System. You people will prosper as long as the Lord allows you. Worry not, time is coming. You mentioned arming yourself with gunpowder for the battle of Armageddon. You shall indeed fight.
MuttleyLaff, I read where you said Christisns shd make room for new things. These new things are what your folk The NWO is doing. will I be surprised if next year a homosexual becomes Nigerian President? No. Why? You guys already control the system.
I'm glad this long discusses are going on, I'm getting to know who we truly represent.
You claim Christianity, but your underlying reality says otherwise. No wonder you attack every Pastor mentioned in this forum.
At-least am not the only one who saw the duplicity and shenanigans of Adv. MuttleyLaff!
This guy is a complete joke.
He is an agent of N.W.O. hiding under the cloak of Christianity.
He is against every Nigerian preacher.
He is against Tithing, Holy Ghost Baptism with evidence o speaking with New Tongues, now he is ready to bite off the head of anyone who say God is against the abomination of homosexuality.
I was chilled when this man boasted that in the nearest future a homosexual shall sit at the helm of affairs in Nigeria. As if that wld make it a blessing from God.
He wouldn't give you an answer because the truth will destroy his high horse. His arguments had been 1. The word "homosexuality" is a recent invention hence all the Greek translations that use the word is wrong. 2. Sexual immorality means reckless use of sex i.e. either non consentual or as part of orgies or with multiple indiscriminate partners.
On these arguments he had based all his theology. Now, he had been presented with two Scriptures
And instead of directly answering the question asked, he wants to repeat flogging a dead horse: is it to bring it back to life?
An abomination is an abomination: it is at the level of what you call grevious sins deserving not less than EXECUTION in the sight of God.
He is a Gay and Homosexual, hence he wants to justify it as not stopping him being a Christian.
I called him Gay before, I think I was right.
Mention any servant of God you know, MuttleyLaff is against them. He is against almost all known concepts of Scriptures, now I know why. He intends to keep the door freely open so anybody anything they like in the name of Christianity.
