Longluk:


All over the world, doctors are usually the highest. A new doctor in Nigeria (House officer) is earning just 180k per month. If you compare the works this dudes do in the hospital, u will pity them. It's not good to judge for afar.

Nurses do more job in Nigerian hospitals than doctors. I have doctor friends, not one or two...both those practicing in Nigeria, UK, USA, Australia and also Saudi Arabia, and I can tell you that doctors overdo in Nigeria....I do yab my doctor friends and we make fun of it cos they indirectly agree to my points that doctors get so much unmerited worship in Nigeria.

Then I also have nurses as friends, and they do tell me how lazy most Nigerian doctors are and how they abandon most of the jobs for nurses yet nurses don't get paid as high as doctors in Nigeria mostly, you know what I am talking about, don't pretend you don't

bixton:


"Average Engineer" indeed.
Have you ever heard of the word "Average Doctors", or is it every doctor that's a doctor even with all the housemanship and training they go through.

Every profession has got people who have gone through it all and have nothing to offer, so it's not peculiar to the Engineering profession.

I agree with you. The Nigerian society values doctors more than engineers. If there is no light everybody knows whose fault it is. Everybody blames the engineer not minding his constraints.
It is not so in medicine. If a patient dies it is not their fault but the will of God. Can you see the difference?

[quote author=Sonia201919 post=79521522][/quote]

Very funny. My dear, I am not here for children argument. You cannot categorically say Doctors are smarter! On what basis?
Can they solve complex math equations or compute quantum physics calculations? Are they smarter than programmers and tech gurus? They may be smart you but not to me. I hope all those skinny hungry doctors I see hanging around most trashy hospitals are part of your so called 'smart' doctors? Inferiority complex is taking hold of you.

budaatum:

3 like for you!

Bros thanks. People do not like hearing the truth.

chrisxxx:

I agree with you. The Nigerian society values doctors more than engineers. If there is no light everybody knows whose fault it is. Everybody blames the engineer not minding his constraints.
It is not so in medicine. If a patient dies it is not their fault but the will of God. Can you see the difference?

That's 7up, crystal clear.

rexbuton:
Officially, Medical Doctors starting on level 12 is due to the difficulty of their profession and the number of years to study medicine. IMO the major reason is due to the bargaining/blackmailing power of their labour union, the NMA.

Do you know it is like that in most part of the world? Is it NMA that made it like that in other countries too?

Ijawwomaninoyo:


Adeleke listened to someone like you, that's why he is in and out of court instead of preparing for his inauguration.

School is not financial literacy. You don't learn financial literacy in school. Many people have money but they are not financially literate. Na Tax evation strategies menz dey on literacy. Thank God for YouTube. We keep learning. Thank God for Youtube

Temidayo9:
for my State, Lawyers start in Level 10

OK

Sonia201919:


I can see u have a very shallow reasoning ,so u expect nurses and others to be heading doctors?u are such a fool.When u go to the hospital ,who do u go to met for your health?a nurse or lab scientist.Mumu

You are now showing your true colors.
Why wouldn't any other medical professional lead ministry of health? Or even the Nigerian Medical Association? Aren't they in the same field facing the same challenges?
What of ministries such as power, works, etc that are been headed by lawyer?
I can see your bias towards doctors to the point you see nothing wrong in it.

chrisxxx:

I agree with you. The Nigerian society values doctors more than engineers. If there is no light everybody knows whose fault it is. Everybody blames the engineer not minding his constraints.
It is not so in medicine. If a patient dies it is not their fault but the will of God. Can you see the difference?

If there is no light, we blame NEPA!

EazyMoh:

Calm Oga engineer
We are talking about the wide gap between engineers and medical doctors (in extension medical practitioners and every other profession).
Every profession is very important. There's the classic debate between doctors and teachers who's more important in a society. In terms of playing vital role in our society do you think it is fair the way they are treated? Stop trying to put doctors above every one else because they render a service and get paid for it like everyone else. As a matter of fact majority Nigerian doctors are heartless greedy people who would go on strike on flimsy excuses and watch may people die, while referring you to their private hospital.
Forget matter bros!

you are the typical nigerian who expects doctors to treat you for free because their reward is in heaven

continue. i hope for your sake you are rich, because the brain drain is back. doctors are not waiting around for the mercies of ungrateful nigerians

now back to the point that completely flew over your head.

every profession has industries or niches where its practiononers are well paid.

instead of whining about civil service, find an industry where you are a prime driver

an engineering firm has accountants, drivers, engineers, drafters, it guys. who do you think are the best paid people in the office?
an oil company has an it dept, a clinic, engineering departments, safety. who do you think are the best paid?
a bank has facilities management, it, different banking units, security dept. who is the best paid

when i was younger, people would say - don't do this profession it does not pay, that profession does not pay and so on
one of my dad's friends was warning me against architecture. in my second job, i was in the construction design industry and i met architects absolutely killing it.

pull yourself together and get yourself into an industry where your profession pays. or you can sit on your butt whining about entry level wage gasps

BiggyB242:


Imagine 9years.

my brother na so we see am, truth is how many doctors will even agree to take that poor salary compared to their colleagues in private sector,its just that they have time to run other paroles, and in civil service once you enter level 14 as director you don hammer

Naijabigboi:


School is not financial literacy. You don't learn financial literacy in school. Many people have money but they are not financially literate. Na Tax evation strategies menz dey on literacy. Thank God for YouTube. We keep learning. Thank God for Youtube

Adeleke is looking for just F9 parallel result not First Class. He felt he NEVER needed education cos we are all looking for money but he realized too late. If he is having his F9 parallel result, he won't be in and out of court today.
MURIC threatened to sue Falz the other time, he wasn't afraid because he knows the Law. An half baked person should have chickened out for the fear of its consequences.
They are all forging results up and down now because they believed school is a scam.

I'm a doctor, yes I save lives
I spent 6 years in school without extra years.
I sat for 5 exams (one sessional and 4 professionals)
1st professional was about straight 18 months including weekend for tutorials after which I had 2 weeks break
2nd professional lasted about 16 months with one week break afterwards
3rd professional lasted 14 months with one week break afterwards
Lastly 4th professional called final MB lasted about 10 months then hurray, you're a doctor


For the engineers while in school, they spent 5 years in all without extra year, 2 semesters per year with 4 months long vacation per year normally,
In all, Engineers spent 10 semesters in school with gaps while doctors spent at least 18 uninterrupted semesters excluding 12 uninterrupted months for internship before full licensing.

Take prejudice away, forget the so called nobility associated with the profession.
Dear OP, even if you're so liberal a parent, you'll count yourself lucky n life, if your child ends up a doctor.


Doctors are smart
You can't be a doctor if you're not smart
You can be a doctor without much intelligence but you must be SMART �

ornicus:


you are the typical nigerian who expects doctors to treat you for free because their reward is in heaven

continue. i hope for your sake you are rich, because the brain drain is back. doctors are not waiting around for the mercies of ungrateful nigerians

now back to the point that completely flew over your head.

every profession has industries or niches where its practiononers are well paid.

instead of whining about civil service, find an industry where you are a prime driver

an engineering firm has accountants, drivers, engineers, drafters, it guys. who do you think are the best paid people in the office?
an oil company has an it dept, a clinic, engineering departments, safety. who do you think are the best paid?
a bank has facilities management, it, different banking units, security dept. who is the best paid

when i was younger, people would say - don't do this profession it does not pay, that profession does not pay and so on
one of my dad's friends was warning me against architecture. in my second job, i was in the construction design industry and i met architects absolutely killing it.

pull yourself together and get yourself into an industry where your profession pays. or you can sit on your butt whining about entry level wage gasps

You killed it bro!

People fighting over Level 8 or 12...
How much are they even paying?

I know a woman who makes a killing on her laptop.

She is so much in high demand, she turns down jobs-- makes about 3 mil a month (on her laptop, mostly on her living room couch)

Her certificate is never mentioned, it's what she can do... and she can do a lot!

Nobody demands respect in life, it is earned!

If society places value on some professions more than others, there is a reason for it-- they produce 'value'

What other people need to do is produce value and pronto you become envied. If not continue whining, OYO is your case

Asour:



First of all OP, Is your grouse the fact that Doctors get to start at level 12 thereby earning more or it is that you, an "Engineer" gets to share the same level with "lowly" 4yr degree holders?


You are essentially asking for level playing Field with one hand and then putting down others with the other hand. Isn't that Condescending to you ?

By the way, put aside Engineering as a course compared to other 4yr courses, What have you Engineered yourself to warrant a special treatment by the society ? Should honour be bestowed on you by virtue of just graduating from Engineering school?
Before answering your question
I think you should come down from your high horse a bit. Or at least stoop to conquer. No one owes US anything.


Now to the question. I have said this before too. The primary reason why Medicine enjoys the privileges it does(I don't dispute its 'reputation' as a [Generally, back to this shortly] challenging course) is due to the extensive nature or regulations in the profession.

Essentially, these regulations among other things, then to REGULATE SUPPLY and dictate employment relationships for most of its practitioners in the society.

When/if the Medical profession liberalizes its extensive regulations including, but not limited to the admission quota per session for institutions and other supply levers, the Medical profession in Nigeria would be much less prestigious as it is now.

A few other functional professions could achieve similar levels of prestige if they adopt similar regulatory/employment approaches to their professions. A few are starting to.


Back to medicine being "generally" challenging. This is very true. The course content, housmanships/residency etc can be very gruelling. Many drop out. However THERE are Mediocre Medical doctors today in Nigeria. They are, I suppose, certified by Medical institutions. But they are nonetheless ineffective. Sadly due to prestige these ones are put at the same level with other Medical practitioners because they all posses the same common denominator — A certificate.


What's my point ?

Professions should liberalize the assessment of true value to society.
Allow society to guage on an individual level who brings value to the society and reward same. Not groups. Individuals.


If you always have to show what you graduated in (your certificate) to prove your value, I doubt if you're truly a professional. A professional leaves people with little doubt about who they are WITHOUT recourse to showing certificates.


Again drop the Entitlement. You're no better. You're no less.
If your "Engineering" (which is great by the way) is the zenith of human achievement then how were people who themselves were not engineers able to design the Engineering degrees we have today. Or did an Engineer design the Engineering programme?

Bros,at the junction the thread should end. This is an epic answer.

[quote author) My brother it's easier said than done, experience is the best teacher, go try am first then come back come tell us.

franchasng:
Nurses do more job in Nigerian hospitals than doctors. I have doctor friends, not one or two...both those practicing in Nigeria, UK, USA, Australia and also Saudi Arabia, and I can tell you that doctors overdo in Nigeria....I do yab my doctor friends and we make fun of it cos they indirectly agree to my points that doctors get so much unmerited worship in Nigeria.

Then I also have nurses as friends, and they do tell me how lazy most Nigerian doctors are and how they abandon most of the jobs for nurses yet nurses don't get paid as high as doctors in Nigeria mostly, you know what I am talking about, don't pretend you don't

Chai.... This is very wrong.

Nurses normally do 3 shift in a day, that's an average of 6hrs in a day. A doctor can do 24 or even 48hrs of call without going home at all. Doctors at state and federal hospital are overwhelmed with work. Imagine a single doctor seeing up to 80 patients in a day. U won't understand if u are not in d system. Take a stroll to any teaching hospital one day and see for yourself.

EazyMoh:

Nothing special in MBBS any engineering graduate with a 2.1 could study medicine successfully.

It's easier said than done, go try am first before you come talk (talk is cheap)

Every Nigeria giving employment through federal civil service commission with university/Polytechnic graduate is eligible to be giving level 8, while at times they give higher level base on the year u graduated example are if ur certificate read 2002 and fresh graduate read 2018, 2002 certificate will be considered and recommended to be giving level 12 or 10, why recent achieve certificate of 2018 we only be giving level 8 unelse u achieve other professional certificate like ICAN, ANAN, etc

Ijawwomaninoyo:


Adeleke is looking for just F9 parallel result not First Class. He felt he NEVER needed education cos we are all looking for money but he realized too late. If he is having his F9 parallel result, he won't be in and out of court today.
MURIC threatened to sue Falz the other time, he wasn't afraid because he knows the Law. An half baked person should have chickened out for the fear of its consequences.
They are all forging results up and down now because they believed school is a scam.

I get your point. You are right. Someone might opt out to get school certificate formally and regret it; maybe politics things. True, you are right.

Education is good. Skills with Education is better. Thanks, I know what to advocate for now. Thanx

Umorosky17:
It's easier said than done, go try am first before you come talk (talk is cheap)

UTME will frustrate you
Tell me your JAMB score and I'll tell you my score and my class average JAMB score.

Naijabigboi:


I get your point. You are right. Someone might opt out to get school certificate formally and regret it; maybe politics things. True, you are right.

Education is good. Skills with Education is better. Thanks, I know what to advocate for now. Thanx

You are welcome. There are a lot of things we need to apply education to. If you see an educated man running a car wash, you will see the difference between himself and a half baked car wash by the way he will be running things.

franchasng:
Nurses do more job in Nigerian hospitals than doctors. I have doctor friends, not one or two...both those practicing in Nigeria, UK, USA, Australia and also Saudi Arabia, and I can tell you that doctors overdo in Nigeria....I do yab my doctor friends and we make fun of it cos they indirectly agree to my points that doctors get so much unmerited worship in Nigeria.

Then I also have nurses as friends, and they do tell me how lazy most Nigerian doctors are and how they abandon most of the jobs for nurses yet nurses don't get paid as high as doctors in Nigeria mostly, you know hwhat I awm talking about, don't pretend you don't

U are just a big liar,no doctor leave his work for any nurse to do.They all have their job functíons.I am sure u don't visit hospital but chemist to buy drugs

HBB1:


If there is no light, we blame NEPA!

Who are NEPA? Electrical Engineers.

BiggyB242:


All these are noise. Engineering is 5 years for next time sake

Tell that to Vikram Pandit Who finished his Engineering Bachelors in three yrs.

You'll say it's not Nigeria. Granted. But it was one Nigerian who along with other conformists that agreed that Engineering programmes be 5 yrs in Nigeria. It's a subjective decision. A little reasonable But not clearly objective.

Engineering is Valuable because of it's extensive contributions to society not because you stay in school for 5 yrs.

I'll like to see a study that tells us why the Engineering programme cannot be 4 yrs. Or if indeed 5 yr tenure TRULY adds to the quality of such programmes.

I know. You probably never read my response.

Ijawwomaninoyo:


Adeleke is looking for just F9 parallel result not First Class. He felt he NEVER needed education cos we are all looking for money but he realized too late. If he is having his F9 parallel result, he won't be in and out of court today.
MURIC threatened to sue Falz the other time, he wasn't afraid because he knows the Law. An half baked person should have chickened out for the fear of its consequences.
They are all forging results up and down now because they believed school is a scam.

I get your point. You are right. Someone might opt out to get school certificate formally and regret it; maybe politics things. True, you are right.

I graduated a long time ago though. Education is good and I cherish the experience but I don't intend to get any more degrees unless it is honorary.

I believe intensive skills acquisition before Jamb form so that if one can practice the skills in school as an extra curriculum activity and self teach oneself Financial literacy. Nigeria does not need paper graduates anymore. No jobs anymore, people want to pay for the jobs they like but such jobs don't exist.

It was done that way for salary reasons. If they started them on level 8 no doctor would want to work for the government when they could earn more in the private sector or outside the country, so they had to make it attractive for them.

chrisxxx:

Who are NEPA? Electrical Engineers.

Carry your sef comot Oga.

Do something with your degree and stop whinging!

Not too late to get one(mbbs) bro.
Gather your fellow engineers and make your case in improving your welfare if it's sellable to the appropriate authority. However, you can't equate your bsc with mbbs.

EazyMoh:

Nothing special in MBBS any engineering graduate with a 2.1 could study medicine successfully.

HBB1:


Carry your sef comot Oga.

Do something with your degree and stop whinging!

If you want job let me know. I am in need of Engineers. You can send your CV to me. I base in PH and work with an oil servicing company. I started as a trainee 9 years ago , today I am a manager for four years.