MightySparrow:
EXACTLY, these guys are mentally lazy. They don't read anything outside their publication which they memorise. They are all in mental captivity. the GB thinks for them.The other day I was asking one of them if had ever read the bible all by himself without any other material,she was sincere enough to say no. Another said even if one reads, one cannot understand. Haba! God will write to me what I can't understand?

The indoctrination is so severe that they become oblivious of obvious truths. Even when they see the Scripture in black and white, they aren't really seeing anything other than what they have been made to memorize.

To me, it looks like a demon assisted indoctrination.

shadeyinka:

The indoctrination is so severe that they become oblivious of obvious truths. Even when they see the Scripture in black and white, they aren't really seeing anything other than what they have been made to memorize.

To me, it looks like a demon assisted indoctrination.

You too see am so?

[color=#006600][/color]Emusan :


we must first address the illogical reasoning of JWs about the person sent by God.
This is what I'm still trying to get from
them since.
They claim, the person sent doesn't
have anything divine in him just pure
human like you and I.



Also, since Jesus is pure human like
everyone else in the world, and
NOTHING exists in human after death
according to them.
[/quote]

*** Emusan, what did Jehovah say would exist in Adam after he died ?

** ** Present the proof here to back your false claim JWs said "the person sent doesn't have anything divine in him"
You LIED as usual, where is your proof that JWs told you so...?

alBHAGDADI:



*1
Psalm 16:10 (KJV)
10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

As seen above, two resurrections took place: Jesus soul resurrected from hell and his body resurrected from the ground and both returned back to their former state but with a slight difference.


*2
1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

1 Corinthians 15:44
it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.



What they don't know is that, yes flesh and blood won't inherit the kingdom of God, but Flesh will.

*3
Luke 24:39 (KJV)
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

As seen above, Jesus said he has flesh and bones which spirits don't have. Clearly, we see that Jesus resurrected in his body which was buried. But you say "didn't you just quote that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God?".

Yes, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, but FLESH and BONES will. So definitely, flesh will go to heaven but the one with blood will not. The body Jesus Christ resurrected in a spiritual body which has flesh and bones but no blood.

*4
1 Corinthians 15:44
it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

The above verse shows there is a natural body and a spiritual body. The difference is that one has blood while the other doesn't. The similarities is that they both have flesh and bones. The natural body has blood because the Bible says:

*5
Leviticus 17:11 (KJV)
11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

The Spiritual body doesn't have the blood and that's why the resurrected body of Jesus was just flesh and bones. It didn't have the blood because Jesus had given it for the remission of our sins.

Matthew 26:28 (KJV)
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Remember we just saw in Leviticus that the life of the flesh is in the blood. Below is Jesus talking about giving his life/blood for we his sheep.

John 10:11 (KJV)
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.


To call yourself a Christian, you will have to believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. It means you believe that Jesus died, his body was buried and that body which was buried was resurrected.


[Thanks you.

alBHAGDADI the confused lying Pharisee bearing the name of a terrorist as his moniker, the ogidigan of falsehood.
*1 : " Two resurrections took place" for Jesus. In other words,this Pharisee says Jesus resurrected twice.
Shadeyinka and mightysparrow,una dey see the junk wey una dey clap for?
Oturugbeke !

*2 , the OP quoted 1Cor15:50, flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom of God in heaven, the OP lied that "flesh will". the gospel of Satan.

**3" OP said "Jesus resurrected in the body in which has buried but this confused liar still said Jesus "resurrected in a spiritual body of flesh and bones " to contradict himself.
If Jesus resurrected in the spiritual body with which he was buried, by implication, you're confused.
Did Jesus tell you he went back to heaven in flesh and bones?

*4 how come a spiritual bodies have flesh when you've said Jesus resurrected with physical body he was born with as a child?
Or you mean that Mary gave birth to a spirit?

*5. Leviticus17:11, "the life of the flesh is in the blood", proof Jesus gave his flesh (body), his life,his blood (he gave everything) as a ransom sacrifice, offering for mankind (Heb 9:28. John6:51. Matt20:28).
Definite PROOF he never resurrected with the same body/flesh/blood sacrifice ,offering, ransom that he paid for our redemption.
John6:51, none of these Pharisees go give offering for church dey collect their offering back,but una no gree say Jesus body na Offering.
Una dey sow seed(that's a sacrifice) & go collect am back?
If you go back to demand for a refund, does your offering still exist or have any value?

Satan comot una sense sottay una dey lie say Jesus dey collect him sacrifice, offering for our redemption.
Jesus sacrifice his body, blood, life for us. If he resurrected with that same perfect body he sacrificed for our ransom, of what value is it?
Answer it, all you lying Pharisees with out sense !

The Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is equal with the Father:

1Ti 6:15  Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

Rev 17:14  These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Janosky:


alBHAGDADI the confused lying Pharisee bearing the name of a terrorist as his moniker, the ogidigan of falsehood.
*1 : " Two resurrections took place" for Jesus. In other words,this Pharisee says Jesus resurrected twice.
Shadeyinka and mightysparrow,una dey see the junk wey una dey clap for?
Oturugbeke !

*2 , the OP quoted 1Cor15:50, flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom of God in heaven, the OP lied that "flesh will". the gospel of Satan.

**3" OP said "Jesus resurrected in the body in which has buried but this confused liar still said Jesus "resurrected in a spiritual body of flesh and bones " to contradict himself.
If Jesus resurrected in the spiritual body with which he was buried, by implication, you're confused.
Did Jesus tell you he went back to heaven in flesh and bones?

*4 how come a spiritual bodies have flesh when you've said Jesus resurrected with physical body he was born with as a child?
Or you mean that Mary gave birth to a spirit?

*5. Leviticus17:11, "the life of the flesh is in the blood", proof Jesus gave his flesh (body), his life,his blood (he gave everything) as a ransom sacrifice, offering for mankind (Heb 9:28. John6:51. Matt20:28).
Definite PROOF he never resurrected with the same body/flesh/blood sacrifice ,offering, ransom that he paid for our redemption.
John6:51, none of these Pharisees go give offering for church dey collect their offering back,but una no gree say Jesus body na Offering.
Una dey sow seed(that's a sacrifice) & go collect am back?
If you go back to demand for a refund, does your offering still exist or have any value?

Satan comot una sense sottay una dey lie say Jesus dey collect him sacrifice, offering for our redemption.
Jesus sacrifice his body, blood, life for us. If he resurrected with that same perfect body he sacrificed for our ransom, of what value is it?
Answer it, all you lying Pharisees with out sense !

When they can't defend their lies, they look for an accusation against you to divert the issue.

1. Two resurrections took place is different from saying jesuss resurrected twice. Stop being an illiterate and fo read the OP without the lens of Watchtower.

When I say two resurrections took place, I'm not saying Jesus body came out of the ground, went back in and came out again. What I simply mean is that Jesus soul left hell and his body left the grave, both united and came back to life. Kind David prophecied it when he said Jesus soul won't be left in hell neither will his body left to be corrupted.

Psalm 16:10 (KJV)
10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

2. Yes, flesh and BLOOD will not inherit the kingdom of God. But your blindness did not allow you see where the OP quoted Jesus saying he is flesh and BONES when he resurrected before going to the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 24:39 (KJV)
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not FLESH and BONES, as ye see me have.

Even the patriarch Job stated that he will see God in his flesh even after it has rotten. This is him talking about the resurrection.

Job 19:26
And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:

So, you have no point, which clearly shows you are the one preaching satanic gospel.

3. To your question, did Jesus tell you that he didn't go back to heaven in his flesh and bones? At least now you admit that he resurrected as flesh and bones, not spirit. He appeared to his disciples in flesh and bones and they all saw the flesh and bones ascend. You will be damned if you can't quote a verse that shows Jesus ascended as a spirit. False kyi g Jehovah's witness.

4. Another dumb question. The reason why you ask these dumb questions is because you failed to digest the OP. You didn't digestbit because it will mean you out it above watchtower's brainwashing.

I clearly showed why spiritual body is quite different from natural body, not physical body as you say, because they are both physical. One has blood and the other doesn't. Get it into your skull.

5. You have no point here, except the one that contradicts your false doctrine that men don't have spirit that lives on. If men dont have spirit that lives on, then how do you say Jesus resurrected a spirit? You claim he gave his all, but still turn around to say he didn't give his spirit. What dumbness.

Your last quote goes against everything Christian and Bible. David prophesied that Jesus body won't remain in the grave but will resurrect. The Apostles said the same thing.

Acts 2:27
Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Yet you come up with your own ideology that denies Jesus resurrection. The Bible early defines death as the spirit leaving the body.

James 2:26 (KJV)
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

As seen above, what you guys claim is that Jesus remains dead since his spirit left his body which remains dead in the grave. How come the tomb of Jesus was empty?

You guys are not Christians.

Janosky:


alBHAGDADI the confused lying Pharisee bearing the name of a terrorist as his moniker, the ogidigan of falsehood.
*1 : " Two resurrections took place" for Jesus. In other words,this Pharisee says Jesus resurrected twice.
Shadeyinka and mightysparrow,una dey see the junk wey una dey clap for?
Oturugbeke !

*2 , the OP quoted 1Cor15:50, flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom of God in heaven, the OP lied that "flesh will". the gospel of Satan.

**3" OP said "Jesus resurrected in the body in which has buried but this confused liar still said Jesus "resurrected in a spiritual body of flesh and bones " to contradict himself.
If Jesus resurrected in the spiritual body with which he was buried, by implication, you're confused.
Did Jesus tell you he went back to heaven in flesh and bones?

*4 how come a spiritual bodies have flesh when you've said Jesus resurrected with physical body he was born with as a child?
Or you mean that Mary gave birth to a spirit?

*5. Leviticus17:11, "the life of the flesh is in the blood", proof Jesus gave his flesh (body), his life,his blood (he gave everything) as a ransom sacrifice, offering for mankind (Heb 9:28. John6:51. Matt20:28).
Definite PROOF he never resurrected with the same body/flesh/blood sacrifice ,offering, ransom that he paid for our redemption.
John6:51, none of these Pharisees go give offering for church dey collect their offering back,but una no gree say Jesus body na Offering.
Una dey sow seed(that's a sacrifice) & go collect am back?
If you go back to demand for a refund, does your offering still exist or have any value?

Satan comot una sense sottay una dey lie say Jesus dey collect him sacrifice, offering for our redemption.
Jesus sacrifice his body, blood, life for us. If he resurrected with that same perfect body he sacrificed for our ransom, of what value is it?
Answer it, all you lying Pharisees with out sense !

Did you read the opening post at all?

You just came up with Empty nothing.

Janosky:
what did Jehovah say would exist in Adam after he died?

And where did Jehovah say nothing exists after Adam will die?

** ** Present the proof here to back your false claim JWs said "the person sent doesn't have anything divine in him"

So do you believe the person sent from heaven lives in the body of human Jesus or somehow just lost everything and became FULLY HUMAN?

Hypocrite!

You LIED as usual, where is your proof that JWs told you so...?

When they say Jesus is just pure human....

Imagine "I lied as usual" yet you never point out any of my lies before....provide the place where I've lied here on this forum.

alBHAGDADI:


1 Corinthians 15:44
it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

Paul said there's a spiritual and a natural body. If both contain the same components, then there won't be any need for then to go by different names. But since they are similar in certain ways and also different in certain ways, then we see the need for having different names. One has blood while the other doesn't

I thought its the same body that died that was ressurected ? why the difference ?

All those who were resurrected back to life in the Bible came back with their natural body which had blood which is the life of the flesh cos they had to live on. Example is Lazarus.And thats why they all later died. But Jesus resurrected in a spiritual body which didn't have blood, and that is the same kind of body we will resurrect in and never be prone to death again.

You lied, going by the statement a spirit does not have flesh and bones, That's not a spiritual body.

1 Corinthians 15:20 King James Version (KJV)
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

According to you, you expect Jesus to resurrect a natural man again. That will still make him prone to death like Lazarus who came back a natural man and later died. When we christians resurrect, we are going to be as Jesus is, in a spiritual body which can never die again.

Its not spiritual, didn't he appear in flesh ?

The natural body is prone to death, diseases sickness, while the spiritual body is not. If this difference is not enough to answer your question, then you are dumb for believing that Jesus resurrected in a natural body and will also resurrect his disciples in their natural body to face those flaws again. Can you see how dumb your reasoning is?

Your problem is that you lack understanding of the difference between the natural and the spiritual body. You even couldn't defend all your doctrines which the OP debunked here. All you've been doing is going about asking questions already answered by the OP. Read the OP again with a careful mind.

Go back and comprehend. Properly

shadeyinka:

I am so amazed that you didn't understand this script



You (JW) say Jesus was Resurected Spiritually and not Physically:
The question I ask then follows: if Jesus spirit materialized like angels do (as taught in https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/jesus-body/) when they come to the earth where is the physical body of Jesus?

Since his body was that which was nailed, how come [b] Jesus spirit body bore the marks of Crucifixion? Don't tell me it is to boost the faith of Thomas

A spirit body doesn't have FLesh, correct yourself.

Jesus categorically said that he isn't a spirit but real flesh and bones.

You who believe human are spirits, how come you have flesh and bones ? Illogical! That's what am asking you, you are probing yourself

Jozzy4:


1.) I thought its the same body that died that was ressurected ? why the difference ?

2.) You lied, going by the statement a spirit does not have flesh and bones, That's not a spiritual body.

3). Its not spiritual, didn't he appear in flesh ?



Go back and comprehend. Properly

1.) Yes, not the same body. Your problems is that you don't understand the difference. One is prone to die while the other will never die again. Isn't that difference enough? Since you people claim to believe your dead ones will resurrect again and never die again, isn't it stupid to say it's the same componential body they resurrect with? If it's the same body composition, how come one was prone to death and the other won't be? There lies the difference - one is natural with blood while the other that doesn't die is spiritual with eternal life

2.) Spiritual body doesn't mean it is spirit. Stop being foolish. It is spirit in the sense that it will never die just as spirits don't die. If it will die, then it is a natural body. Stop coming up with lame comebacks.

3.) Once again, spiritual body doesn't mean it is a spirit. Spiritual body is defined as flesh and bones without blood which will never die. That is what we will be when we resurrect just like Jesus.

You are disgrace to Jehovah's False Witnesses. You should have done like your other colleagues who have been avoiding this thread because they couldnt find a way around it.

shadeyinka:

1. If the spirit of man is the breath of life, is this breath the Physical breathing in and out?
2. Since God is a Spirit, what did He breath into man (Physical or Spiritual).

Your question:
If spirit of man is a person, does it mean the person of Jesus ascend to heaven the day he die ? Luke 23:46

1. Jesus preached to the spirits in "prison" who erred in the days of Noah
1Pet 3:19:
"By which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison;"

So Jesus went to prison NOT the Father ?

I thought his spirit return to the Father .

Keep contradicting yourself,

1Pet 4:6:
"For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit."
2. Is the Grave the same as Paradise? For if the spirit of man is just breath of life, as soon as the Thief died he should be in the grave and not paradise!
Luk 23:43:
"And Jesus said to him, Truly I say to you, To day shall you be with me in paradise."
Jesus said: to day NOT on the day of Resurection!

Confused person

So its now Paradise that Jesus go ? Not prison anymore ?

3. Did Paul Physically or Spiritually get caught in Paradise? If it was spiritually, with which ear did he hear those unspeakable words?
2Cor 12:4:
"How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

Paul isn't dead . this doesn't help your case

Same with John of the book of Revelation:
Rev 1:10-11:
"I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What you see, write in a book, and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia; to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."
With which ear or eyes did he see and hear the Revelation of things to come?

Is John dead ?

4. The person of Jesus went to the place "prison or hell" where disobedient souls as far back as the days of Noah were kept AND preached to them.

[quote]

Where is hell written there. Are victims of flood In hell or sea ? Rev 20:13

Again I ask: Paradise, prison or the Father ... To where did Jesus spirit return ?

U keep exposing your shallow knowledge through contradiction

[quote]


If they (these spirits) were unconscious, how come they could hear?

Human who died in the sea are not in hell, so your question is pointless

And if you (assume these spirits are angels) how did Jesus preach to them for He is supposed to be unconscious?

The verse says put to death in flesh [as a human being] , Made alive in spirit [ As a Spirit being ], by which he went .

So Can't you see he was Ressurected before he preaches ?

alBHAGDADI:


1.) Yes, not the same body. Your problems is that you don't understand the difference. One is prone to die while the other will never die again. Isn't that difference enough? Since you people claim to believe your dead ones will resurrect again and never die again, isn't it stupid to say it's the same componential body they resurrect with? If it's the same body composition, how come one was prone to death and the other won't be? There lies the difference - one is natural with blood while the other that doesn't die is spiritual with eternal life

hahahaha Lollllllzzzzzzz

But John 2:19 says Demolish this temple, and I will raise it up..
So its a different BODY that was Raised ? Eeyah

Please where was the former body kept ?

2.) Spiritual body doesn't mean it is spirit. Stop being foolish. It is spirit in the sense that it will never die just as spirits don't die. If it will die, then it is a natural body. Stop coming up with lame comebacks.

Spiritual is from the word SPIRIT.

It shouldn't have flesh! Don't disgrace yourself this man

3.) Once again, spiritual body doesn't mean it is a spirit. Spiritual body is defined as flesh and bones without blood which will never die. That is what we will be when we resurrect just like Jesus.

Flesh and bones are MATERIAL . it can be touched, physical ... What is spiritual isn't physical

Get sense .

You are disgrace to Jehovah's False Witnesses. You should have done like your other colleagues who have been avoiding this thread because they couldnt find a way around it.

No one avoid the thread, they are just bewildered by your level of ignorance

alBHAGDADI:


Sorry dude, he didn't ascend to heaven the day he died.

So what's that spirit that return to the Father ? Luke 23:46

The Bible said his soul went to hell but was not left there cos he resurrected.

Body and soul in hell , remember ?

Do u mean Grave ?

You haven't shown any flaw in the OP, you are just asking dumb questions.

By now, you should know u are in for a tough one

Jozzy4:


A spirit body doesn't have FLesh, correct yourself.


You who believe human are spirits, how come you have flesh and bones ? Illogical! That's what am asking you, you are probing yourself

A natural body = flesh, bones and blood.

A spiritual body = flesh and bones WITHOUT blood

The natural body is powered by the blood, while the spiritual body is powered by the spirit which comes back into it. That spirit has been given eternal life, so therefore the body of flesh and bones will never die again.

That's why Job boldly said he will see God in his flesh.

Job 19:26
And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:


Your problem is that when you see spiritual body, you think of it as just spirit. You simply leave out the body part in the spiritual body and just go with the word spiritual alone. That is why you see it as spirit. But Jesus Christ said spirits don't have flesh and bones. This means the spiritual body spoken of below is not spirit but a body with everlasting life


1 Corinthians 15:44
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

alBHAGDADI:


A natural body = flesh, bones and blood.

A spiritual body = flesh and bones WITHOUT blood

The natural body is powered by the blood, while the spiritual body is powered by the spirit which comes back into it. That spirit has been given eternal life, so therefore the body of flesh and bones will never die again.

Brain dead analysis, so the natural body doesn't have spirit ?

Again I repeat, Physical is Material, it can be touched, Spiritual is not Material .

So that body isn't spiritual

That's why Job boldly said he will see God in his flesh.

Job 19:26
And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:


Your problem is that when you see spiritual body, you think of it as just spirit. You simply leave out the body part in the spiritual body and just go with the word spiritual alone. That is why you see it as spirit. But Jesus Christ said spirits don't have flesh and bones. This means the spiritual body spoken of below is not spirit but a body with everlasting life


1 Corinthians 15:44
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Anything spiritual isnt PHysical. It not material

So your definition is wrong !!!

Jozzy4:


hahahaha Lollllllzzzzzzz

But John 2:19 says Demolish this temple, and I will raise it up..
So its a different BODY that was Raised ? Eeyah

Please where was the former body kept ?

You are not reading at all. I made a statement and back it up with an explanation. But you crop out the statement and based a post on it without reading the explanation. That's shameful.

Spiritual is from the word SPIRIT.

It shouldn't have flesh! Don't disgrace yourself this man

You are the one disgracing yourself here. You say Jesus resurrected to be a spirit, right? You also say a spirit doesn't have flesh, right? Below is the Jesus you claim is a spirit talking.

Luke 24:39
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Flesh and bones are MATERIAL . it can be touched, physical ... What is spiritual isn't physical

Get sense .

Since Jesus is resurrected as a spirit, how come he said he was flesh and bones which you say is physical? You say spirit can't be touched because it's not physical, but the same Jesus was touched by Thomas.

John 20:24-29 (KJV)
24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Jozzy4:


A spirit body doesn't have FLesh, correct yourself.



You who believe human are spirits, how come you have flesh and bones ? Illogical! That's what am asking you, you are probing yourself

I couldn't help but marvel at what the watchtower organisation has done to your reasoning faculty.
So,please correct your organisation since you now know that they err!

The quote:
Since his body was that which was nailed, how come [b] Jesus spirit body bore the marks of Crucifixion? Don't tell me it is to boost the faith of Thomas
It was your Watchtower Organisation that said Jesus resurrected as a spirit body and went on to defend that which you now consider as stupidity

If Jesus was raised up with a spirit body, how could his disciples see him?

Spirit creatures can take on human form. For example, angels who did this in the past even ate and drank with humans. (Genesis 18:​1-8; 19:​1-3) However, they still were spirit creatures and could leave the physical realm.​—Judges 13:15-​21.

After his resurrection, Jesus also assumed human form temporarily, just as angels had previously done. As a spirit creature, though, he was able to appear and disappear suddenly. (Luke 24:31; John 20:19, 26) The fleshly bodies that he materialized were not identical from one appearance to the next. Thus, even Jesus’ close friends recognized him only by what he said or did.​—Luke 24:30, 31, 35; John 20:14-​16; 21:​6, 7.

When Jesus appeared to the apostle Thomas, he took on a body with wound marks. He did this to bolster Thomas’ faith, since Thomas doubted that Jesus had been raised up.​—John 20:24-​29.

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/jesus-body/

You who believe human are spirits, how come you have flesh and bones ? Illogical!

A human being is a Spirit
A human being is a Soul
A human being is a Body
All at the same time: that is the trinity of Man.

That is why the Rich man even though was physically dead, he wasn't unconscious.
That is why at transfiguration, Moses and Elijah were with Jesus.

Jozzy4:


Brain dead analysis, so the natural body doesn't have spirit ?

Again I repeat, Physical is Material, it can be touched, Spiritual is not Material .

So that body isn't spiritual


Anything spiritual isnt PHysical. It not material

So your definition is wrong !!!

Stop being brain dead while thinking g ithees are the ones that are brain dead.

You are not saying anything that is clear. One line of sentence, especially when it's a question doesn't serve as an answer to detailed explanation.

Spirit creatures can take on human form. For example, angels who did this in the past even ate and drank with humans. (Genesis 18:​1-8; 19:​1-3) However, they still were spirit creatures and could leave the physical realm.​—Judges 13:15-​21.

After his resurrection, Jesus also assumed human form temporarily, just as angels had previously done. As a spirit creature, though, he was able to appear and disappear suddenly. (Luke 24:31; John 20:19, 26) The fleshly bodies that he materialized were not identical from one appearance to the next. Thus, even Jesus’ close friends recognized him only by what he said or did.​—Luke 24:30, 31, 35; John 20:14-​16; 21:​6, 7.

When Jesus appeared to the apostle Thomas, he took on a body with wound marks. He did this to bolster Thomas’ faith, since Thomas doubted that Jesus had been raised up.​—John 20:24-​29.

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/jesus-body/

Shadeyinka, this part from their Watchtower really makes me laugh. They are simply calling Jesus a fraud. They say Jesus borrowed a body that looked like his original body just to appear to his disciples. He was even showing them the nail piercings and acting as if it's his real body. They called Jesus a scammer

Can you point to one single question you answered out of the five I gave you.? As usual, you avoid the questions that will set you free to engage in recitation of your memory verses.

Please go back to the post answer my questions as I always answer yours!

Jozzy4:


So Jesus went to prison NOT the Father ?

I thought his spirit return to the Father .

Keep contradicting yourself,

Can you see that it's you who doesn't know the Scriptures beyond what your organisation dropped down your throat?
What did Jesus say?

John 20:17:
"Jesus said to her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brothers, and say to them, I ascend to my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."

Can you see that it's you in error?

Jozzy4:


Confused person

So its now Paradise that Jesus go ? Not prison anymore ?

The post was about the Thief who is supposed to be unconscious according to your doctrine
Please, answer this question: where do you think that thief in question is?
Paradise?
Hell?
Grave?
If the Thief is in paradise, how could he be unconscious?

Jozzy4:

Paul isn't dead . this doesn't help your case

Is John dead ?

If you had answered the questions about Paul and John, you wouldn't be asking such a thoughtless question. The questions was about HOW they perceived the spirit realm!

Please stop avoiding answering my questions: After answering my questions and you think you also have a counter Question feel free to roll it out but don't bury the Questions I asked you under deliberate distractions.

alBHAGDADI:


Shadeyinka, this part from their Watchtower really makes me laugh. They are simply calling Jesus a fraud. They say Jesus borrowed a body that looked like his original body just to appear to his disciples. He was even showing them the nail piercings and acting as if it's his real body. They called Jesus a scammer

I think they should explain how Angel Gabriel removed the body of Jesus for proper burial in a tomb of gold in paradise since "Jesus spirit had to manufacture the marks of Crucifixion to convince his disciples"!?

Their delusion is strong and deep is their spiritual bondage!

alBHAGDADI:


A natural body = flesh, bones and blood.

A spiritual body = flesh and bones WITHOUT blood

The natural body is powered by the blood, while the spiritual body is powered by the spirit which comes back into it. That spirit has been given eternal life, so therefore the body of flesh and bones will never die again.

That's why Job boldly said he will see God in his flesh.

Job 19:26
And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:


Your problem is that when you see spiritual body, you think of it as just spirit. You simply leave out the body part in the spiritual body and just go with the word spiritual alone. That is why you see it as spirit. But Jesus Christ said spirits don't have flesh and bones. This means the spiritual body spoken of below is not spirit but a body with everlasting life


1 Corinthians 15:44
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Get enlightened

Spiritual isn't physical - 1 Cor 15:46

shadeyinka:

Can you see that it's you who doesn't know the Scriptures beyond what your organisation dropped down your throat?
What did Jesus say?

John 20:17:
"Jesus said to her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brothers, and say to them, I ascend to my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."

Can you see that it's you in error?

Good. U admit that spirit isn't Jesus
That demand the Question: What is that spirit that return to the Father ? ? ? ( Luke 23:46)

The post was about the Thief who is supposed to be unconscious according to your doctrine
Please, answer this question: where do you think that thief in question is?
Paradise?
Hell?
Grave?
If the Thief is in paradise, how could he be unconscious?

Any prove that Jesus and the thief went to Paradise ?

If you had answered the questions about Paul and John, you wouldn't be asking such a thoughtless question. The questions was about HOW they perceived the spirit realm!

Please stop avoiding answering my questions: After answering my questions and you think you also have a counter Question feel free to roll it out but don't bury the Questions I asked you under deliberate distractions.

The post is about the condition of the dead not how some people perceive the spirit realm in visions.

alBHAGDADI:


Stop being brain dead while thinking g ithees are the ones that are brain dead.

You are not saying anything that is clear. One line of sentence, especially when it's a question doesn't serve as an answer to detailed explanation.

Didn't 1 Corinthians 15:46 differentiate what is spiritual from that which is physical ( seen ) ? ?

How could a spiritual being be Physical ?

U are on a hot seat .

shadeyinka:

I couldn't help but marvel at what the watchtower organisation has done to your reasoning faculty.
So,please correct your organisation since you now know that they err!

The quote:
Since his body was that which was nailed, how come [b] Jesus spirit body bore the marks of Crucifixion? Don't tell me it is to boost the faith of Thomas
It was your Watchtower Organisation that said Jesus resurrected as a spirit body and went on to defend that which you now consider as stupidity


https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/jesus-body/

So they call that which have mark " spiritual body ? "

Comprehension is affecting you, didn't you see materialize in there .

You who believe human are spirits, how come you have flesh and bones ? Illogical!

A human being is a Spirit

U must be sleeping does a spirit have flesh?

A human being is a Soul
A human being is a Body
All at the same time: that is the trinity of Man.

That is why the Rich man even though was physically dead, he wasn't unconscious.

The rich man was physically alive when speaking to Abraham, Has the ressurection occur ?

That is why at transfiguration, Moses and Elijah were with Jesus.

Vision . get sense

alBHAGDADI:


You are not reading at all. I made a statement and back it up with an explanation. But you crop out the statement and based a post on it without reading the explanation. That's shameful.




You are the one disgracing yourself here. You say Jesus resurrected to be a spirit, right? You also say a spirit doesn't have flesh, right? Below is the Jesus you claim is a spirit talking.

Luke 24:39
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.




Since Jesus is resurrected as a spirit, how come he said he was flesh and bones which you say is physical? You say spirit can't be touched because it's not physical, but the same Jesus was touched by Thomas.

John 20:24-29 (KJV)
24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

You are proving silly with each post, what is physical isn't spiritual ! 1 Corinthians 15:46 . that's not a spiritual body

Jozzy4:


You are proving silly with each post, what is physical isn't spiritual ! 1 Corinthians 15:46 . that's not a spiritual body

Jozzy4:


Didn't 1 Corinthians 15:46 differentiate what is spiritual from that which is physical ( seen ) ? ?

How could a spiritual being be Physical ?

U are on a hot seat .

Stop being silly with your questions. You are only trying to drag me back into explaining all I've said before. The worst part is that you are not tackling my points which are well detailed. You are just asking silly questions. I can't entertain your foolishness since you fail to take off watchtower lens and read my posts well.

1 Corinthians 15:46
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

The verse above which you've been citing doesn't even support your argument. It simply says a natural comes first before the spiritual comes after death and ressurection. What do they have in common? BODY. And I've shown the difference since.

As seen in the screenshot below, you are contradicting yourself.

First you say your JW doctrine says...

1.) Jesus was raised a spirit, which you say isn't physical and can't be touched.

Next you say...

2.) Jesus didn't have a spiritual body that's why he was physical and touched.

Your argument exposes your JW doctrine which says Jesus was raised a spirit. You are unstable for moving back and forth.

Jozzy4:


So they call that which have mark " spiritual body ? "

Comprehension is affecting you, didn't you see materialize in there .



U must be sleeping does a spirit have flesh?



The rich man was physically alive when speaking to Abraham, Has the ressurection occur ?



Vision . get sense

If you are capitalising on the word materialize, if Jesus materialized, He is PHYSICAL! It's you who have proved your organisation wrong!

The rich man was physically alive when speaking to Abraham?
Didn't Jesus say he died and was buried?

The fact that the asked that Lazarus go to the earth to warn his brothers show that resurrection hadn't occured AND the rich man was not unconscious!

Joh_14:6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

of course only God is: "the way" "the truth" and "the life", certinally not a angel or a god

alBHAGDADI:




Stop being silly with your questions. You are only trying to drag me back into explaining all I've said before. The worst part is that you are not tackling my points which are well detailed. You are just asking silly questions. I can't entertain your foolishness since you fail to take off watchtower lens and read my posts well.

1 Corinthians 15:46
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

The verse above which you've been citing doesn't even support your argument. It simply says a natural comes first before the spiritual comes after death and ressurection. What do they have in common? BODY. And I've shown the difference since.

As seen in the screenshot below, you are contradicting yourself.

First you say your JW doctrine says...

1.) Jesus was raised a spirit, which you say isn't physical and can't be touched.

Next you say...

2.) Jesus didn't have a spiritual body that's why he was physical and touched.

Your argument exposes your JW doctrine which says Jesus was raised a spirit. You are unstable for moving back and forth.

Na wah

alBHAGDADI:




Stop being silly with your questions. You are only trying to drag me back into explaining all I've said before. The worst part is that you are not tackling my points which are well detailed. You are just asking silly questions. I can't entertain your foolishness since you fail to take off watchtower lens and read my posts well.


1 Corinthians 15:46
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

The verse above which you've been citing doesn't even support your argument. It simply says a natural comes first before the spiritual comes after death and ressurection. What do they have in common? BODY. And I've shown the difference since.

As seen in the screenshot below, you are contradicting yourself.

First you say your JW doctrine says...

1.) Jesus was raised a spirit, which you say isn't physical and can't be touched.

Next you say...

2.) Jesus didn't have a spiritual body that's why he was physical and touched.

Your argument exposes your JW doctrine which says Jesus was raised a spirit. You are unstable for moving back and forth.

The problem you have is you do not make research , is your ignorant mind aware that the Greek word translated natural means PHYSICAL ?

I doubt it!

The ISV and some others translated that verse thus

" The spiritual does not come first, but the physical does, and then comes the spiritual. "


Bringing it clearer. Should in case you couldn't comprehend why Jozzy4 quoted that, let me explain:


For the scripture to contrast spiritual with physical showed both are opposite, the physical can be seen, touched , but the spiritual cannot be seen nor touched.

So you have a problem here

1. Did Jesus resurrect with a spiritual [NOT physical ] body ? Or that scripture at 1Cor 15:44 is a LIE

2. That which appeared to his disciples is physically felt, is that is real body ?