aviato:
Lol@"I have you where I want you". I think you watched a different video because if you read carefully you will see where it said he has been charged to court, if there was no evidence against him I wonder why he has not sued her for defamation or has not be acquitted. And you are saying this article is biased because of them reporting what happened, I really fail to see what is biased here.

And there is no need to descend into insults, Mr Martinez.

Martinez39:
So because he didn't sue for defamation then he is guilty? Did Neymar sue for defamation? Did Ronaldo sue for defamation? I can sue you for being human and charge you to court but that doesn't mean being human is a crime. I can and I have the right to sue you for anything I deem offensive, criminal or even though I know I am lying. Haven't you seen where a man sued god? I watched the video and it was clear that the actor did nothing. The woman is an opportunist.

aviato:
Since when does marrying your choir master make your story any less believable? Funny that you can bring out fallacious arguments for COZA but it is her own argument that sounds unbelievable.

aviato:
Cristiano Ronaldo has not been exonerated and is still being investigated, if he did nothing wrong why did he pay the woman who accused him 375,000 dollars to sign a non disclosure argument? Neymar brought evidence to exonerate himself and the police did not charge him due to lack of evidence on the woman's part, in Cuba gooding's case he has been charged and there is evidence so I don't get all this fallacious comparisons you are making trying to convince your misogynistic self that you are right.

Martinez39:
Stop diverting. You typed "if there was no evidence against him I wonder why he has not sued her for defamation... making it to be like if a man doesn't sue for defamation then there is evidence against him and if he hasn't been acquitted then he is guilty or has evidence against him. By your logic, Neymar is guilty and has evidence against him because he didn't file for defamation. Do you see how silly you sound when you try to imply that Pastor Fatoyinbo is guilty and has evidence against him because he hasn't sue for defamation?

Note this and note very well, because somebody has been charged to court doesn't mean that they are guilty of a damn thing. People can and have the right to sue any Tom, Dick and Harry for literally anything and that doesn't mean the accused is guilty of a damn thing. Also, people settling their accuser is not a admission of guilt. People, especially celebrities and stars, settle their accusers so as not to have their reputation destroyed thanks to unstable and foolish majority who rally blindly behind any accuser. People have lost their jobs, gone to jail, ostracized, shamed and harassed for a rape crime they never committed. So, why won't they consider settlement? Wasn't innocent Neymar's image removed from a master card advertisement because of the false accusation?

Pastor Fatoyinbo shall be presumed guilty until proven innocent. Good day.

Martinez39:
When a rape allegation is made, the proper approach should be to remain neutral until sound evidence surfaces to either validate or invalidate the claim of the accuser. Being neutral doesn't mean that you doubt the accuser, it simply means that you are not going to assume a thing or play "I believe you" for either the accused or accuser instead you shall follow where the evidence leads. Whether you like it or not, the accused is to be presumed innocent until proven guilty.

Coming out on social media and winning the support of the majority doesn't prove a damn thing. As long as there is no evidence, the accused must be presumed innocent until proven guilty even if the whole world believes the accuser. To create a mob system where evidence is ignored and emotions are supreme is detrimental to both men and the real rape victims, most especially men. In such system, it is made clear that the reputation and life of any man can(with the help of the naive and foolish majority) be destroyed if a woman can accuse such man of rape and reels out a touching, emotional and Oscar worthy display.

The result of this is that once a woman harbors any enmity towards any man and wants to deal with him, she accuses him of rape and his life is ruined at the drop of a hat. Also, if a woman can't overcome you in any dealing or have her way with you, she can accuse you of rape and deal with you. If a woman wants to extort money from you, a rape accusation is the means to that end. Whether you like it or not, this opportunity will be exploited by women themselves and history has shown this to be case. We men really have to be careful with the way we lose our heads for pretty vag1nas and with the rashness we employ when we try to please these women. Under such system, men are not safe and men will pay dearly for their simping and servitude towards pu5sy.

Men must take a firm neutral stand on this issue, espouse due process and stifle the effort of any individual or group that tries to demand that we believe women blindly and convinct, without evidence, those accused of rape. It's for the good and safety of men. Is it until you are rotting in jail after many years that you will realise that reasoning and evidence are superior to emotions? Is it then that it would dawn on you that anyone, even your friends, relatives or blood, can be a malicious liar? Is it until you lose your job because your boss believed a woman who falsely accused you that you will realise all men have to place reasoning and evidence above emotions and drama? Is it until your loved one becomes a victim of jungle justice after being falsely accused that you will realise all men have to place reasoning and evidence above emotions?

Under such system, false rape allegations becomes a banality(thanks to the human affinity for opportunism and our excellent deceptive capacities) and no one takes it seriously anymore and this affects the real victims. I would be naive to expect women to reason this and take the needed moral and rational stance but hey, "why stand up for my fellow women who are suffering when I can falsely accuse Neymar and get $350,000 from him?" the cruel and opportunistic woman ponders. Women are their own enemies.

Another thing that is tenaciously utilised by these women are the excuses they give to account for why they didn't bring their claims to the police or court of law when the abuse occurred but had to come out many years after the event. These excuses are the usual "I was dealing with the pain, it takes time to deal with the pain," "Rape is rape and I can speak anytime," etc. As ludicrous and silly as these may sound, I don't want to arrogantly dismiss anyone's experience but there is a problem. If you had concentual sex with a girl eight years ago before you became a celebrity or a very wealthy person, she can falsely accuse you eight years after the event and use such excuses. A girl could just wake up one morning and accuse you of raping her thirty six years ago while effectively using these silly sounding excuses.

Who shall we believe and what shall we do? Well, you don't need to believe, take a neutral stance and demand evidence and due process. Whether you like it or not girls falsely accuse men of rape for even petty reasons eg. You didn't give her money, you didn't let her unduly stay in front of you in the ATM, you didn't accept her greenlight etc. It might sound weird but it's true.

aviato:
Nice way to take one part of my argument and try and misconstrue it, what I wrote was "if there was no evidence against him I wonder why he has not sued her for defamation or has not been acquitted" stop arguing like a dummy and concentrate on the entire argument not quoting the sentence which suits you. And if it is not an admission of guilt, why did he pay her? He should have just allowed her to go to court since he is innocent, like you said he is innocent until proven guilty. Why not wait for the Law to do it's work like you have been touting.

And I fail to see where I have mentioned the accused pastor, I am merely discussing about Cuba gooding Jr because that is what you quoted me on.

Karleb:
My own problem is why do most women always claim to traumatized after rape and most men always act unbothered?

Before you say they are fragile or they hate sex, these same women find it easy to go into prostitution for peanuts, some even have se.x to pass courses they could easy pass by reading.

aviato:
He SEXUALLY ASSAULTED her by groping her breasts, the video of incident can easily be found on YouTube.

ubunja:
I was raped as a little kid by older females. it's in the past. I let it go. time heals

budaatum:

Time healed you! People do differ.

budaatum:

Time healed you! People do differ.

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I DON'T THINK SEX FOR PEANUTS AND MARKS COME WITH BEATINGS, MULTIPLE INJURIES AND ROUGH PAINFUL FORCED PENETRATION. ALL OF YOU MEN ARE VERY MAD.

Originalsly:


Bro... I follow your reasoning....all sound reasonable. I can bet my life... you have never sat down and have a rape victim talk to you about her being raped. I have.... to a few. One thing is common with them.... doesn't matter how longggg ago they were raped..... you will believe it happened yesterday....it is not at all easy for them to talk about it.... that you will know even if you are not paying attention. So when you hear rape victims are traumatized for life.... you wouldn't understand unless you speak with them. Worse than that... is a child abuse victim... speak with just one.... and you will understand why they are by far....the most hated in prisons.... and suffer the most. Rape is no joke.... and not something easy for women to talk about. This woman has spoken out... and want to have her day in court. I can bet my life... he would rather commit suicide than be in court to defend himself.

budaatum:

This thread requires rationality which I cannot possibly have for this topic so I'm limiting my participation to 'men are pigs', and Nigerians seem not to understand the trauma of rape with even women saying "get over it" as if it was their coffee that was spilt.

It's the sense of entitlement that gets me. You men might understand how it feels though. Imagine a big burly man holding you down and forcefully shoving a prick up your ass and let me know how easy it would be to "get over it"!

If I wrongly accuse you of raping me, the law, which is heavily biased against me unless I provide video recording of you in the act or verified dna of your sperm on my pants, hopefully, would protect you. Otherwise, the penalty for rape should be sharialike. We should chop off at least half of your prick!

I will irrationally respond to quotes, do note. I'm so delighted Me Too has arrived in Nigeria.

ubunja:

Rape is like any other crime committed against a person. Like stabbing. Let's not elavate it to something it's not.

Every crime alleged must be followed by evidence. The justice system that requires evidence must be upheld. or else society won't survive.

No one can live in a society where you're guilty until proven innocent. No ways. I'm out.

budaatum:

Except its a "crime" that the person its perpetuated against has to convince the authorities that a crime actually happened in the first place, in a society that has traditionally kept such crimes silent! Do you not know that some parents would tell their children to not report it because they, the parent, is ashamed?

When you treat it like "any other crime committed against a person", and when your police understand how to properly follow and gather the evidence, both of which they don't do, then perhaps people like me will be less irrational about raping pigs. Until then, I get to decide guilt.

You, be happy I'm just an opinion on the WWW.

budaatum:
Dear Men, It’s Time for #YouToo to Take a Stand

You already knew what was happening, didn’t you? You — the men — you knew. There are too many stories, too many women, too many facts for you to possibly believe that this is all made up. Every year, you are the ones that require us — the victims — to resurface all these deeply buried stories and lay them out in the sunshine so that you can dismiss them, or find fault in them, or, worst of all, pretend not to see them at all. You didn’t need 500,000 tweets or 12 million Facebook posts shouting “me too” because you already knew.

This post has links that should be read is why I'm signposting to the rest of it or I'd have copied it all here.

ubunja:

Now all men know someone who's a rapist.. Lmfao.

No wonder #MeToo is dying.

Even Sheryl Sandberg of Facebook admits men are no longer keen on helping women out at work. What man will with such blanket accusations

ubunja:

Then the issue here is teaching law enforcement how to handle rape accusations

And teaching parents that rape is nothing to be ashamed of. Which,as I'm saying, can only happen if rape is viewed like every other crime. It's actually the different way that rape is viewed that brings stigma. So let's not rush to the opposite extreme and deify it.

I don't know what "be happy I'm just an opinion on the WWW" means...

joeeee240:


Lol. Why are men no longer helping women out at work?

ubunja:

Now all men know someone who's a rapist.. Lmfao.

budaatum:

That "teaching" is what we are doing in the imperfect best way we know how to with our individual voices on the world wide web (internet).

Rape is stigmatic. It's not like someone stealing my phone or my money that I can replace and just get over. And if wishes came true, mine would be that pigs are able to learn, which they seem unable to currently do. But they will. By hook or by crook, pigs will learn!

budaatum:

I bet you have not considered that might be because the women around some men can't tell them.

ubunja:
tomorrow it's a rape accusation.

Now in meetings with women CEOs leave doors open. So people see. So tomorrow there will be witnesses in case.

And male managers no longer do business one on one alone with women. They wanna stay safe.

ubunja:
it's funny cause when Harvey Weinstein was outed as a perv MORE women than men seemed to know what he was doing over the years.

joeeee240:


Lol #metoo movement is dying

budaatum:

I'd settle for, 'more people knew'. You should wonder why the women who did know said nothing for so long though. Imagine a young girl or boy unable to tell there parents too and the trauma the silence alone would cause, not to talk of the trauma of being raped itself.

joeeee240:


Lol #metoo movement is dying

Budex40:
Look, to avoid issues like this , get a Sexual consent form and make sure she signs and Thumb prints on it. Also, dont shake or hold women uncessesarily. Learn how to say hi to a woman without body contact. Stop calling any woman( cept a relative) @night. Dont cohabitate with a Woman ur NOT to or legally married to. SIMPLE STURVZ