madegreatbygrace:


(*1) @ Janosky. Oh, I see. You err!It's because the dictionary meaning of Father is different from the biblical meaning. Father in this case means "source". This implies that the life of Jesus when He walked the earth has its source from the Father. It's as simple as that.



@2)
The Jesus of the epistles is the exalted, glorified and resurrected Christ. The same Spirit, but different offices. As a point of emphasis, in the gospels, He's referred to as Jesus Christ but in the epistles He's referred to as Christ Jesus or Jesus Christ our Lord. The Jesus of the gospels was not all- knowing but the resurrected Christ is omniscient.This is supported by Philippians 2: 5 -11.

Maximus69:


The OP never mentioned the name of any group, he only presented his opinion on the topic, and some of you started pointing to the same religious that might not even be noticeable if not brought to light! I think something is unique about this group but if you're saying they're false fine!

But Jesus prayed {John 17:20-23} and i believe his prayers must have been answered by someone up there.

Please Sir, just tell me the benefits that needs to be observe in order to be certain that what Jesus prayed for is happening amongst so and so group and leave the rest to me!

Maximus69:


@bolded

I think you're at least part of them Sir, because i've not come across any other religious group receiving attention on social media like JWs!

It's either they committed this or that, and the funniest part of it is that there's no religious organization that can stand out to say "we're completely blameless with regards to the accusations levelled against the Jehovah's Witnesses"

So why focusing on JWs if not that all eyes are on this one and only unique group that's totally different from them all?

Anas09:

And what they are said to have committed is not verifiable?
So far, everything that people have accused watchtower organization has proven true or you want to argue with facts?

I am not going to be dragged into some arguements.

You brought up the Lord's prayer and how only the JW physically practicalises it, and how the world is seeing it's efficiency.

Now, Mr JW, pls physically analyze the Lord's prayer let's see what the Lord means physically and see how efficient it is.

Anas09:
@Maximus69. Begin from 'Our Father', 'who is in heaven', hallowed or honour, be your name...

Let's see if Jehovah' witness honour the name of Jehovah.

I'm waiting.

Janosky:


Anyone you call "my Father" or "Father", you have acknowledge that the status /rank / position of that Entity is Superior to yours.

You are the pikin of your biological Father , you both have human nature, his rank/ status pass your own? Yes !
Whoever is your Father, Godfather, Father in the lord, whatever "Father", that person level pass your own.
YHWH pass Jesus Christ level in heaven and earth.
Read ,study and meditate on Rev 1:5,6. Rev3:2,5. John20:17. John 17:3.
Hebrew 1:1-3,9 squash the lie attached to Hebrew 1:8.
No dull yourself.

Dafemich:
So because the Father is superior means they are not the same. The fact that the Father is superior, doesn't mean that they are not one and the same.

Maximus69:


Nah wah o!

E be like sey arguments just sweet your belle like die, abeg if your Jesus no get any benefits, it's better to stay with my JEHOVAH o!

Maximus69:

I guess that's why only Jehovah's Witnesses out of all religions claiming Christians could Physically prove to observers the efficiency of Jesus' prayers!

Maximus69:

You know that prayer nah!

Maximus69:

So tell me the benefits and leave the rest to me, JWs have taught me their own Theories, the Practical Applications and i'm seeing the Benefits Sir!

Maximus69:

For your information, i've traveled to strange places and yet people i never knew in my life welcome me as their brother into their homes all because i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses like them. So it's evident that this group have formed one happy global family.

Maximus69:

But if you're now accusing them, it's OK let's assume there is no one guilty of the same accusation in your own religion, right?

Maximus69:

Just present the benefits of being a believer so that i go back and read my Bible to see if there is anything i'm missing as a believer. Period!

BIBLESPEAKS:
A lot of different interpretations of the trinity these days....But let's go with the version you've presented - The father and son are not two separate beings. They are the same being but separate persons.

I don't still understand why the Bible will imply 2 beings when talking about the father and son by saying: "He (son) is the exact representation of his (father) very being."

according to modern dictionaries every human creature is a human being because he exists. Every person is a being because he exists. The word "being" simply means "to be in existence." Based on this I cannot see how the son and the father can be 2 persons but one being.

This is my major objection to Trinitarianism. It depends on a distinction between “person” and “being” that is not articulated in Scripture.

Also i believe that one of the biggest problems with the orthodox doctrine of Christ is that it is unintelligible and results in a person who is both A and non-A at the same time.

We are told that the incarnate Christ was/is both “fully God” and “fully man”. As one who is “fully God” he is said to be omniscient, all-powerful, and omnipresent, yet as one who is “fully man” he would have to be limited in knowledge, power, and location. To say that a person can have all of these attributes at the same time is not just to utter something unintelligible, it is to affirm that which would normally be considered impossible. The sentence “Jesus is all-knowing yet limited in knowledge” appears to have the same logical content as the sentence “Bob is a murderer who’s never killed anyone” or “Joe is a football player who’s never played football.”

Non-Trinitarians such as myself and others don’t necessarily reject the idea of believing in something that one might call “mysterious” but we have a problem believing in that which is logically impossible. Well, reason is part of the image of God that he stamped upon us to enable us to determine what is true and what is not true,

and I can’t imagine why we’d discard that attribute when asking the most important question of all: Who/what is God?

BIBLESPEAKS:
Hebrews 1:1-3 New International Version (NIV)


1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2. but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3.The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. Hebrews 1:1-3 New International Version (NIV)

Anas09:

You said this ^^^^, and I said Since only JW can prove to observers the efficiency of Jesus prayer physically, let us, you and I analyze it. You do so Physically and I wld do it Spiritually, let's see the message it has for your so called observers.

What the bolded signify is that, JW are men-pleasers. They carry bags and argue scriptures unendingly for their observers to applaud and say, weldone, only you are true Christians. Sadly, only JW's tell themselves that. lolzzzzz.


No, I don't know how physical portrayal of the Lord's Prayer can be efficient in the life of a Christian, this is why I want you to tell me. Pls don't assume I know.


After we finish the Lord's prayer.


Correct!!!!!!!!. This is the typical picture of what JW is about. That is your own definition of Love abi?
JW claim you follow Jehovah, Abraham did too, but he entertained people he never knew whether they worshipped his God or not. Lot did the same, wld JW do the same except they know it's their own?

Wld they have accepted you into their homes if you were a Catholic or an Evangelical? Is this the kind of Love Jesus preachd and passed down to us?

Do you even have the slightest idea of what 'Love your neighbor as you love yourself' means?

Let me give you a little story. I grew up seeing my father who was a Catholic Knight hosting an Assembly's of God pastors in our house until they built a parish for their pastors.

My Dad after building his house, gave out a room to Assembly's of God for free. The pastors were cared for by us. Not that Assembly's of God members didn't have good enough houses to host their pastors, but it was my Catholic father who did.

Can a JW do that for a Catholic Church to house their Priests? Can a JW open their doors to a hungry traveling Catholic Priest or a Pentecostal Pastor?

Clap for yourself for this SELF-ish analogy you just gave.


What did I accuse them of?
Do you even remember we're still talking abt Trinity here?
You JW see Jehovah as being a different entity from Jesus, and the Holy Spirit does not exist sef, and I said you guys do this because of your physical portrayal of the Word of God. You jumped on me. Now you're claiming i accused JW. How did I do that?


Lol. You don't call the shots here Maximus69, you don't. You jumped on my post without even understanding what I meant, so you'd follow sequence. We are not done here.

Maximus69 how can a physical portrayal of the Lord's Prayer affect a Christian's life positively?

When the Lord said, 'Our Father', did He mean that Jehovah is a father only to the Jehovah's Witnesses? Pls tell me.

I wish you'd try analyzing this model prayer and see how Jehovah' Witnesses heresy will be exposed.

Oga Until you treat this, you won't go further to anything else. You can run off tho.

Maximus69:


It's the Benefit that matters now Sir!

PrincewithGod:
Why are we going up and down on this issue of Trinity when the answer is in us? We are made in the image of God, so we are trinity: Body, Soul and Spirit. So is God: Father, Word and Spirit (1John 5 : 7). The Word was made flesh (John 1 : 14) whom was named JESUS, The CHRIST.

Anas09:

For the first time, a JW runs from a fight

Go in peace, and remember not to jump into discussions if you don't understand the content of it.

Anas09:

For the first time, a JW runs from a fight.

Go in peace, and remember not to jump into discussions if you don't understand the content of it.

jubianose:


Hi dear Ana,
My dear take am easy oo

Shepherd00:

I would you in a layman language explain what this verse is staying.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

PrincewithGod:
Why are we going up and down on this issue of Trinity when the answer is in us? We are made in the image of God, so we are trinity: Body, Soul and Spirit. So is God: Father, Word and Spirit (1John 5 : 7). The Word was made flesh (John 1 : 14) whom was named JESUS, The CHRIST.

Emusan:


There's a single interpretation of Trinity, it's people like you who always give it different interpretations to fight against it due to lack of knowledge.



Only if you can understand it through the lens of "human being" you're using as reference here.

Your Dad is a person and You are a person too, then can we say you're a exact representation of your Dad very being?

Mind you, "Being" here refers to common word as "human being"

In fact, this is one of the verse that supported the deity of Jesus.

God's "being" is different from Angel's "being" from human "being" likewise Angel's "being" if different from human "being" from Animal "being"

So the test proves that The Word who was revealed to us as Son existed in the very "Being" of the Father.

This was also reemphasise by Apostle Paul in Phil 2:6 "who though he existed in the form of God..."

Which God was it referring to here, the Father or who?



You didn't get it, the word "HUMAN" is what distinguished our being from other "beings"

You are a being, your Dad also is a being but two of you are HUMAN yet different persons.

"Being" is the form in which person exists.



It's well articulated in the scripture just that you couldn't pay attention to grab it.

The Father is a person, the form/Nature the Father exists is called GOD.

In man terminology there are different beings in the universe:

God....Being
Angel...Being
Human...Being
Animal....Being

So the Word was the exact representation of the Father Being...



Your failure to understand that spirit being are different from human being and that spirit can dwell in the human flesh is what result to this poor reasoning.

The example you gave was about TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE WITH PHYSICAL FLESH...Whereas, the incarnation simply means the Divine person(who is a spirit) DWELLS in the Physical body born by Mary.

You have a physical body
You also have a spirit



Trinity is to solve the complexity of the question you asked below which I'll explain.




If not for Trinity doctrine the New Testament writers would have greatly projected a polytheistic view of God for Christianity which is really contradictory to the concept of God revealed in the Old Testament.

How?
According to the question you asked: "Who/what is God?"

In man's understand and concept of God.

God is a self existence person, very powerful, the CREATOR of ALL THINGS.

Now having know these attributes solely belong to entity/being called God...it will be contradictory to find this same attributes being applied to anotherbeing/person.

Reading through the scripture you'll see these attributes being applied for both the Holy Spirit and The Word of God which we know as Jesus Christ.

So that's why the concept of Trinity was brought up to solve this.

Unless you want to deny that in the Bible you carry:

>Holy Spirit was not described as self existence person (even people like JWs know this that's why they can only deny the PERSON of the Holy Spirit...
>Holy Spirit was not part of the creation process...

Likewise The Word of God (Jesus Christ)!

Dafemich:
So because the Father is superior means they are not the same. The fact that the Father is superior, doesn't mean that they are not one and the same.

shadeyinka:

You have answered him well.
The OP need to explain why "the Son" is called SON since, the Son is neither Human nor Angel. He should note the fact that God doesn't have a Wife.

If the Son is the Word and the Word was in the beginning and the Word made everything, who then is the Son?

jubianose:


Hi dear Ana,
My dear take am easy oo

Maximus69:


@bolded

We are Jehovah's Witnesses, our understanding of the scriptures is PROGESSIVE not stagnant Sir! Philippians 2:14, 1Timothy 6:4, Titus 3:9

Peacefullove:


If God was manifest in flesh , Does that not mean Mary is the Mother of God ?

Peacefullove:


U fail to think before you type this garbage

Since animals have Body, soul, spirit , Can we say they are in the image of God ?

Maximus69:


Avoiding ARGUMENTS!

Instead of saying for the first time a true Christian perfected the Practical Application of what's written in the Bible! 1Timothy 6:4, Philippians 2:14, Titus 3:9