timesup234:
Yes everyone would love to live there until they get there and find out it is a mirage. The biggest shame will be leaving there without achieving anything. That's the shame over one million Nigerians are living with in America. They can't come back because they are stuck. If you ask Americans to pay cash for their cars 99% of them won't be able to afford it. Americans are broke and miserable and 95% of them will die in debt. If in 2019 Nigerians don't know an average Nigerian is richer than a middle class American then they are the dumbest donkey on earth

Olominira:
I have been to a number of countries around the world. The honest truth is that if Nigeria had achieved 24 hours electricity around 2006-2009, I'm talking of 10 years ago, nearly 80-90 percent of Nigerians would be better off than same figure in United States. As at 2019 43 million Americans are living in poverty.

Nigeria is a country with rich culture and people still believe in their heritage. The leaders are smart but lack of love for their fellow citizens, greediness for personal gains are the main problem. This does not include the leaders from first republic.

Now, this is the way forward to a better Nigeria. Firstly, Nigerian leaders must strengthen her justice system this includes police reform, military and others. The judiciary must be made strong, with that anyone committing crime would know that the law would take its course.

Secondly, provide stable electricity. Yes. Do not look at the west for solution. Focus on China, Japan and Russia if possible. P & ID case has shown that western power does not want us for any good.

Thirdly, Reform the educational system. In fact, let Nigerians study in Nigeria or within Africa. As at today, if Nigerians and other third world countries stop attending UK universities their education would collapse with 3 years because even most British citizens cannot afford afford it.

On final note, Nigerian government needs, as a matter of fact very urgently launch a world class TV station like CNN, CGTV, France 24, etc to reshape people's thinking about Nigeria and Africa. Yes, include a lot of propaganda. The issue of P & ID should be on the air for a minimum of 3 months. Through this mean, the government would create a lot of nationalists that would influence a lot of good things about the country.

There's tribalism in Nigeria today because there are no opportunities for the young people, Nigerian people still believe the west are superior than them, no, they're not. Nigerians are better off. Wake up Nigeria, the potential is too much to be wasted. Every single day, the western power is trying so hard to destroy Nigerian people emotionally and psychologically. How on earth will Lagos be the most dangerous city in the world? How on earth will a country with 500bn economy still has more poor people than the likes of India of 1.3bn people with economy of 2.5T, Pakistan, and so on?

The people of SE must not allow themselves to be used, Nigerian people must come together and stand for what's best for them. Nigeria Govt as a matter of fact, must pacify these people and bring them to the national politics either by making a public apology for the Biafra war or anything to appease the Igbo and let the country grow once for all.

ahiboilandgas:
.i get u points ...there is no perfect place but in Nigeria you can't even enjoy the wealth .I practically can't drive from kaduna to abuja cos of kidnapping , I have been runing gen for 12 hours daily despite living in my house worth over 100 k pounds,my Neigbour bought his house for 150k pounds and has one he'll of noisey generator that any time it on I have to lock all my windows to sleep ...i sank a bole worth 750k naira just to have water, I mark around 700 k monthly but u can't even enjoy the wealth ....the last time we hard duel scarcity we suffered

Younghacka:

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MobilityExpress:


Nigeria is producing the highest number of millionaires in the world today, omg, continue plucking fake statistics from thin air. Millionaires from yahoo yahoo or millionaires from politics? A country like Nigeria where there is huge gap in wealth distribution, where about 1% control everything, maybe 90% have nothing tangible to hold and probably the less than 10% so called middle class are struggling everyday for scraps that fall from the 1%. This same Nigeria that one person can own 300 houses, $40m jewelry, and have billions, doesn't equate to everyone else living that life or having it. A country where the unemployment statistics are so high, yet you say people are building houses. Can you even compare the population ratio of tenants to landlords? If not that Nigerians have a very strong will to survive and succeed, do you think this country is the source of their progress? No, it's the individual fighting spirit, and that's why our society is molded in a model of every man for himself. Individual willpower is what gets people going to reach the top and achieve their goals, it has nothing to do with the country. That's why many responsible Nigerians prosper wherever they find themselves in civilized countries abroad or push and push hard till they can win if they find themselves in not so conducive environment like Nigeria.

SIRTee15:


1.5 million naira per month is huge....
Thats not a middle class income...
Most state commissioners, perm. Sec n even bank branch managers don't earn that...
Thats 18 million naira a year....
Common....
If u earn that amount, u be king...
3000 pounds per month is a good salary in uk....
Very good....
In my first year in uk I wasn't even earning up to that n I was able to complete my house in naija, buy landed property undeveloped lekki area all within 18 months....
And I was living fine in uk......
Pound is very powerful, no take small eye look am....

adonainana:


If i went to hammer, try asking any relative you have in the UK to send you 10,000 naira now ( tell them a lie that something bad happened to you ) and tell the same to a relative in nigeria that you need 10,000 naira now that something happened to you. Note down the differences between the two people you have asked money from and reflect on it.

Perhaps you are right, you can get your mortgage and owe the bank a stipulated money for the next 30 years with the amount also rises with inflation.

But here is the catch ooo, nothing must happen to you within that 30 years ooo, Infact just make sure you are dead as opposed toyou leaving your job, travelling abroad or doing anything unreasonable within the next 30 years from date you start paying back your mortgage

Bro trust me, so many people are trapped in this type of mortgage situation, only when you see it for yourself can you believe me.

Not every one is doing fraud in Nigeria either, I sincerly hope you understand where i am coming from

Also i forgot to mention the house you will be borrowing from the bank here in the UK to buy with a mortgage payable over 30 years would and can only resemble what some people use as thier BOYS QUARTER back in Nigeria.

In other words, you borrowed £300000 payable back over 30 years to live in a House that is not even up to the size of the average size of the smallest Nigerian homes. lol

But at least you will have good roads and hospitals and schools abi,

Saintp:
Make this timesup234 no go kill himself for America and abroad matter ooo. I never seen somebody that is this bitter about something that is not his problem.
Over 20 threads lamenting about America, dem use America swear for this guy?

Olominira:
I have been to a number of countries around the world. The honest truth is that if Nigeria had achieved 24 hours electricity around 2006-2009, I'm talking of 10 years ago, nearly 80-90 percent of Nigerians would be better off than same figure in United States. As at 2019 43 million Americans are living in poverty.

Nigeria is a country with rich culture and people still believe in their heritage. The leaders are smart but lack of love for their fellow citizens, greediness for personal gains are the main problem. This does not include the leaders from first republic.

Now, this is the way forward to a better Nigeria. Firstly, Nigerian leaders must strengthen her justice system this includes police reform, military and others. The judiciary must be made strong, with that anyone committing crime would know that the law would take its course.

Secondly, provide stable electricity. Yes. Do not look at the west for solution. Focus on China, Japan and Russia if possible. P & ID case has shown that western power does not want us for any good.

Thirdly, Reform the educational system. In fact, let Nigerians study in Nigeria or within Africa. As at today, if Nigerians and other third world countries stop attending UK universities their education would collapse with 3 years because even most British citizens cannot afford afford it.

On final note, Nigerian government needs, as a matter of fact very urgently launch a world class TV station like CNN, CGTV, France 24, etc to reshape people's thinking about Nigeria and Africa. Yes, include a lot of propaganda. The issue of P & ID should be on the air for a minimum of 3 months. Through this mean, the government would create a lot of nationalists that would influence a lot of good things about the country.

There's tribalism in Nigeria today because there are no opportunities for the young people, Nigerian people still believe the west are superior than them, no, they're not. Nigerians are better off. Wake up Nigeria, the potential is too much to be wasted. Every single day, the western power is trying so hard to destroy Nigerian people emotionally and psychologically. How on earth will Lagos be the most dangerous city in the world? How on earth will a country with 500bn economy still has more poor people than the likes of India of 1.3bn people with economy of 2.5T, Pakistan, and so on?

The people of SE must not allow themselves to be used, Nigerian people must come together and stand for what's best for them. Nigeria Govt as a matter of fact, must pacify these people and bring them to the national politics either by making a public apology for the Biafra war or anything to appease the Igbo and let the country grow once for all.

SIRTee15:

I don't know where u get this info that Nigerians in uk can't afford to send 10 thousand naira...
30 pounds....that one na money...
For your info, uk is the largest remittance source from abroad to naija....
Not USA, not Canada, not dubai... but uk....
In 2018, Nigerians in uk sent over 4 billion dollars to naija as remittance....
Does that look people that can't afford 10 thousand naira....

timesup234:
Yes far better with college students sleeping with sugar daddies to pay back their student loans?

https://www.businessinsider.com/seeking-arrangement-sugar-daddies-pay-sugar-babies-college-tuition-2017-11?IR=T

Yes far better with 62% of Americans one paycheck away from living on the street

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/most-americans-are-one-paycheck-away-from-the-street-2016-01-06

Yes far better with people who have masters degrees still working till the age of 75 to be able to afford retirement and not die in debt

https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/investing/millennial-grad-retirement-age-is-75/

When next you come here to quote me just know you are talking to someone who knows the US. like the back of his hand. I have rendered so many people useless on this forum daring to engage me. The next time you quote me you will get a serious uppercut that will lead to spinal injury

adonainana:


Bro im not entirely sure you know where you think Middle Class Nigerians are ( No matter how small they are ) I think we still need to respect them

1.5 million naira is not a lot of money because this is exactly what most Middle Class Nigerians earn.

1.5 million naira a month is not what Rich Nigerians earn, they earn far way more than that.

To be on a £3000 a month salary in the UK, you are termed middle class, my argument is even if the pound is worth £1 to 1 million naira.

Middle Class UK earners cannot afford and cannot be on the same level as Middle class Nigerians. Middle Class Nigerians are richer and are more comfortable than Middle Class Uk earners.

This has nothing to do with currency as a starting point, it is has to do with how much you are left with at the end of the month.

£3,000 monthly for a UK resident before he begins to deduct his life and household expenses is nothing, Trust me
1.5 million naira ( £3,000 per month for a Nigerian resident before he begins his life and household expenses is LOT LOT LOT infact way too much would be left for him

Hope you understand what i am trying to say.

adonainana:
I lived in the UK for 10 years, I agree i think only when you think carefully and deeply would you appreciate some countries and some ways of life. Here in the UK, I found out that there are only 2 achievements the average man can achieve. The first is getting a Mortgage and the second is passing your driving test .

I couldnt tell how many of my friends celebrated these two major achievements year in year out

People of God, how is borrowing £300,000 (150 million naira) from a bank and paying it monthly back over 30 years an achievement ni tori olorun. How is that an achievement ?

How is passing your driving test where you will end up taking more of your disposable income an achievement for Heaven sake.

After 11 years in the Uk, i decided it was time to call it quit.

Some people will simply pay bills and die in the west and will even be owing funeral tax by the time there reletives want to bury.

The good roads, schools, water etc is an illusion, there are good schools everywhere on the planet. There are equally good roads everywhere on the planet

The Uk an US are extremely useless countries to be in sometimes

This is my opinon sha

Toks2008:


A billion likes for this.

I have seen both sides and I can tell you that if you have good money please stay back and rough am well but only come at the last resort.

Now don't get it twisted...Nigerians make it big in the western countries cos of the suffering we have been exposed to.

I was amazed when citizens were begging me JJC to borrow them money and I was like WDFVK.

Life in naija is sweet...sweet ladies sweet culture, cheap quality food and lots more except crazy government and harsh living condition...you can owe house rent for months or have a place to run to for accomodation, manouver your ways with some bills but it's not the same outside..owe week rent and you are homeless...you work your ass out for every dime and it is so boring that people don't have time to socialize.

But the fact is that despite all these, Nigerians still excel cos our country has trained us with hardship so much that when you go out there you can't afford to mess up the opportunity.

If anyone abroad sends anyone as little as N5000 please thank that person very well.

adonainana:


Bro im not entirely sure you know where you think Middle Class Nigerians are ( No matter how small they are ) I think we still need to respect them

1.5 million naira is not a lot of money because this is exactly what most Middle Class Nigerians earn.

1.5 million naira a month is not what Rich Nigerians earn, they earn far way more than that.

To be on a £3000 a month salary in the UK, you are termed middle class, my argument is even if the pound is worth £1 to 1 million naira.

Middle Class UK earners cannot afford and cannot be on the same level as Middle class Nigerians. Middle Class Nigerians are richer and are more comfortable than Middle Class Uk earners.

This has nothing to do with currency as a starting point, it is has to do with how much you are left with at the end of the month.

£3,000 monthly for a UK resident before he begins to deduct his life and household expenses is nothing, Trust me
1.5 million naira ( £3,000 per month for a Nigerian resident before he begins his life and household expenses is LOT LOT LOT infact way too much would be left for him

Hope you understand what i am trying to say.

Pearl543:





You know, I actually had the same thought when I read, 'rich dad poor dad'. Robert really analysed their way of living... Paying taxes, having credit cards, working for the government and stuffs like that and buying a house is more like a liability than an asset

timesup234:
Make all this jobless Nigerians no go kill themselves for Nigeria matter oo. Talking trash everyday about kidnapping, boko haram, buhari, yahoo..
The kind of money people make in Nigeria can't be made in Europe or America. I visited Delta state for holiday and I am amazed at the investment made by individuals. Even some petty stores are doing great and people are smiling and enjoying life. The only people not smiling in this country are those who refuse to engage themselves in something meaningful and those who wish to travel abroad. These set of useless people can be found all over nairaland

Beautyaddy:


Paying taxes is not working for the government.

It is money collected to maintain social and infrastructures amenities that the people who pay these taxes get to enjoy stress free...things that an average Nigerian in Nigeria can never enjoy.

SIRTee15:


I really don't know where your definition of nigerian middle class earning 1.5 million naira a month comes from....
That's the income of less than 1percent of the working population...
And that defeat the whole purpose of middle class if it constitutes just 1 percent....
This isn't about 3000 pound earners in uk v 1.5 million naira earners in naija....
This is about middle class in uk v middle class in naija....
There's just no basis for comparison...
It doesn't make sense....
Cleaners, Tesco cashiers n security guards go for holiday abroad in the UK...
So what are we talking about...
Abeg....
If u want us to discuss economic issues in uk...
We can discuss it, but comparing uk to naija based on any economic parameters is a futile effort....

Beautyaddy:


Paying taxes is not working for the government.

It is money collected to maintain social and infrastructures amenities that the people who pay these taxes get to enjoy stress free...things that an average Nigerian in Nigeria can never enjoy.

timesup234:
Make all this jobless Nigerians no go kill themselves for Nigeria matter oo. Talking trash everyday about kidnapping, boko haram, buhari, yahoo..
The kind of money people make in Nigeria can't be made in Europe or America. I visited Delta state for holiday and I am amazed at the investment made by individuals. Even some petty stores are doing great and people are smiling and enjoying life. The only people not smiling in this country are those who refuse to engage themselves in something meaningful and those who wish to travel abroad. These set of useless people can be found all over nairaland

timesup234:


https://www.nairaland.com/4144074/lies-nigerians-living-america

Pearl543:



Uhmmmm I get the point you are trying to state but it wouldn't hurt to look at it from another angle. Americans are very much dependent on their government because of all the get to enjoy, which is bad because they are financially weak and have to struggle most of their lives to continue enjoying all this which in the long run make them get a lot debts because they are taxed for living and when the die they are being taxed too.

CanadaOrBust:


Lol, he has a point though. Every place has pros and cons. Some advantages are also disadvantages. Even constant electricity has serious disadvantages. Timesup234 u r becoming famous

opebiboy:
lol. Where do you get all this strength from?

Beautyaddy:


lool!!...The Strength must come from a very Bitter, Frustrated, Angry, Lazy, Jealous and Jobless person who wants by all means to add as much people to join him.

opebiboy:
The guy is a clown. Full of hate and resentment. Might even be suicidal

Beautyaddy:


How are Americans dependent on their government....I hope you are not assuming that paying taxes means being dependent of their government?

Saintp:


Constant electricity has serious disadvantages? Did you just say this ?How would Nigeria ever develop with this kind of mentality? Local man is shocked