Anas09:


Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Tell me about this part.

Blabbermouth:

Did you see the attachment?

Yes I did, and i responded to it.

Blabbermouth:

Tell me about this part.

Lol. You said I shd post it, I have, so maybe you shd be the one to tell me what Jesus was saying to Philip there.

God is Almighty,
If Jesus is God then he is Almighty
If the Holy Spirit is God then he is Almighty
If The Father is God he is Almighty.
Because being The Almighty is a quality of the nature of God.

Acts 17:29
Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

One mistake men always make is comparing God to measurable and perishable things they can feel or see.

What makes God Almighty are
1. Infinit in wisdom and knowledge/ Ominiscence

The Spirit of God possesses this,

Isaiah 40:13-14 Who hath directed the Spirit of the LORD, or being his counsellor hath taught him?
With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him in the path of judgment, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding?

Jesus is said to know all things
John 16:30
Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.

2. Omnipresence,
The Holy Spirit is said to be omnipresent

Psalms 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?

Jesus said he will be anywhere believers gather together, meaning he is omnipresent
Matthew 18:20
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.


3, omnipotent

Job 33:4
The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

In fact saying the Spirit of God is not Almighty is saying God is not Almighty but yet separate from the Father.

Blabbermouth:

I want to learn, How can this be done?

If you're truly willing, earnestly ask God to help you, and He would!!!

I would be praying for you also bro.

God bless.

Anas09:

And you have not been able to show me one place where the Bible says there are three persons in one God and you will never find that place.

Do you know what an Essence means?

Bros YHWH is the underlying reality of Jesus, while Jesus is the manifestation In a human form of YHWh.

Do you care to study the bible at all? Tell me what essence means? Jesus is Yahweh manifested i human form yes but Jesus is not God the Father.

John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Jesus was in the bissom of the father meaning he is separate from the Father not the heresy you are propagating.

What you are saying is that Jesus is both the father ,son and holy Ghost which has no scriptural evidence.
What we should be talking of, is scriptural evidence.
You dont dismiss a something because it is not explicitly stated even when evidence abound else, rapture and bible are not stated in the bible but yet are true.

jesusjnr:

If you're truly willing, earnestly ask God to help you, and He would!!!

I would be praying for you also bro.

God bless.

Actually, I want to learn. What does it entail? The foremost is 1. Doing the will of God. But, is that all there is to loving God?

Blabbermouth:

Do you know what a persona means??

What do you mean by persona? If you mean personality?
Personality is tied to having a distinct character such as emotion, cognition and behavior.

Being on the other hand talks of essence or nature.

God is one being or essence or nature but three distinct individual persons

solite3:
Do you care to study the bible at all? Tell me what essence means? Jesus is Yahweh manifested i human form yes but Jesus is not God the Father.

John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Jesus was in the bissom of the father meaning he is separate from the Father not the heresy you are propagating.

What you are saying is that Jesus is both the father ,son and holy Ghost which has no scriptural evidence.
What we should be talking of, is scriptural evidence.
You dont dismiss a something because it is not explicitly stated even when evidence abound else, rapture and bible are not stated in the bible but yet are true.

Pls, what is the bossom of the father?

Now we are getting to where the Word is not all Literal.

And yes, Jesus is the Fatber, the son and the Holy Spirit and they are scriptural evidences. I just gave out one here.
And here is Jesus telling you that He was the Holy Spirit, but you didn't understand.

John 14:17-20
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

Open your eyes and read the Bible line by line,

solite3:
God is Almighty,
If Jesus is God then he is Almighty
If the Holy Spirit is God then he is Almighty
If The Father is God he is Almighty.
Because being The Almighty is a quality of the nature of God.

Acts 17:29
Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

One mistake men always make is comparing God to measurable and perishable things they can feel or see.

What makes God Almighty are
1. Infinit in wisdom and knowledge/ Ominiscence

The Spirit of God possesses this,

Isaiah 40:13-14 Who hath directed the Spirit of the LORD, or being his counsellor hath taught him?
With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him in the path of judgment, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding?

Jesus is said to know all things
John 16:30
Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.

2. Omnipresence,
The Holy Spirit is said to be omnipresent

Psalms 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?

Jesus said he will be anywhere believers gather together, meaning he is omnipresent
Matthew 18:20
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.


3, omnipotent

Job 33:4
The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

In fact saying the Spirit of God is not Almighty is saying God is not Almighty but yet separate from the Father.

Have you ever said or better still, is it plausible to say "The Jesus of YHWH" or "The Anas of solite3"? No!!! Why? They are different persons. Now, how is it that then we say " The spirit of God" or "The body of Christ" or "The mind of solite3". How? Because Spirit, body or mind are not a person but a Persona

solite3:

What do you mean by persona?...

The answer to this question will make you fully grasp the concept of a persona. "Despite being separate persons, how come YHWH and Jesus are one?".

Anas09:

Pls, what is the bossom of the father?

Now we are getting to where the Word is not all Literal.

who get to determine where and when to take the word literal?

And yes, Jesus is the Fatber, the son and the Holy Spirit and they are scriptural evidences. I just gave out one here.

your personal wrong opinion zero biblical

and here is Jesus telling you that He was the Holy Spirit, but you didn't understand.

John 14:17-20
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

where did Jesus claim to be the holy Spirit? The Spirit was with his disciples as well as Jesus himself that was why they could perform miracles.

At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

Open your eyes and read the Bible line by line,

what you are saying is highly incoherent? Show me scriptures that prove Jesus is both the father and the Holy Spirit or what you are saying is the heresy of modalism not trinity.

Blabbermouth:

Have you ever said or better still, is it plausible to say "The Jesus of YHWH" or "The Anas of solite3"? No!!! Why? They are different persons. Now, how is it that then we say " The spirit of God" or "The body of Christ" or "The mind of solite3". How? Because Spirit, body or mind are not a person but a Persona

sorry God the father, Son and holy Spirit are not persona but persons.
Neither solite ,anas or you is a trinue being but God is.
Spirit mind or body is not trinity only God is.

Blabbermouth:

The answer to this question will make you fully grasp the concept of a persona. "Despite being separate persons, how come YHWH and Jesus are one?".

persona means part of a character or a quality of a person. God the father, Son and Holy Spirit are not a character or quality but real persons who possesses emotion, wisdom can communicate with each other but one being

solite3:
The Distinction of the Holy Spirit from the Father and from his Son, Jesus Christ.
The Person and Work of The Holy Spirit

We have seen thus far that the Holy Spirit is a Person and a Divine Person. And now another question arises, Is He as a Person separate and distinct from the Father and from the Son? One who carefully studies the New Testament statements cannot but discover that beyond a question He is. We read in Luke iii.21, 22, "Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, and the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon Him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art My beloved Son; in Thee I am well pleased." Here the clearest possible distinction is drawn between Jesus Christ, who was on earth, and the Father who spoke to Him from heaven as one person speaks to another person, and the Holy Spirit who descended in a bodily form as a dove from the Father, who was speaking, to the Son, to whom He was speaking, and rested upon the Son as a Person separate and distinct from Himself. We see a clear distinction drawn between the name of the Father and that of the Son and that of the Holy Spirit in Matt, xxviii.19, where we read, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." The distinction of the Holy Spirit from the Father and the Son comes out again with exceeding clearness in John xiv.16. Here we read, "And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you forever." Here we see the one Person, the Son, praying to another Person, the Father, and the Father to whom He prays giving another Person, another Comforter, in answer to the prayer of the second Person, the Son. If words mean anything, and certainly in the Bible they mean what they say, there can be no mistaking it, that the Father and the Son and the Spirit are three distinct and separate Persons.
Again in John xvi.7, a clear distinction is drawn between Jesus who goes away to the Father and the Holy Spirit who comes from the Father to take His place. Jesus says, "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send Him unto you." A similar distinction is drawn in Acts ii.33, where we read, "Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, He hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." In this passage, the clearest possible distinction is drawn between the Son exalted to the right hand of the Father and the Father to whose right hand He is exalted, and the Holy Spirit whom the Son receives from the Father and sheds forth upon the Church.

To sum it all up, again and again the Bible draws the clearest possible distinction between the three Persons, the Holy Spirit, the Father and the Son. They are three separate personalities, having mutual relations to one another, acting upon one another, speaking of or to one another, applying the pronouns of the second and third persons to one another.

There are no three persons! There are no three persons!! There are no three persons!!!

Where did you ever see three Persons in scripture?

I didn't want to really go into this but let me say this ans I will close.

Just like you know and agree that we, even as humans are Triune, meaning we are Spirits having a soul and lives in a shell calls the body. So also, there are three components of everything created large or small.
And every of this thing has a purpose, a means and a result.
Put it like this

Purpose=== The first End
The Means === The immediate End
The Result==== The final End.

The purpose and Means are Spiritual hence cannot be seeb, while the result is in the physical.

The Purpose and means is the underlying realities of the result.
Jesus is the result of what YHWH purposed to do on earth.

solite3:
persona means part of a character or a quality of a person. God the father, Son and Holy Spirit are not a character or quality but real persons who possesses emotion, wisdom can communicate with each other but one being

Then, answer the question I asked u. We are almost there.

solite3:
sorry God the father, Son and holy Spirit are not persona but persons.
Neither solite ,anas or you is a trinue being but God is.
Spirit mind or body is not trinity only God is.

Yes, The father and the son are persons. But , the spirit is a persona
Persona (in this context) means: PART/PORTION OF A PERSON...

Anas09:

There are no three persons! There are no three persons!! There are no three persons!!!

Where did you ever see three Persons in scripture?

I didn't want to really go into this but let me say this ans I will close.

Just like you know and agree that we, even as humans are Triune, meaning we are Spirits having a soul and lives in a shell calls the body. So also, there are three components of everything created large or small.
And every of this thing has a purpose, a means and a result.
Put it like this

Purpose=== The first End
The Means === The immediate End
The Result==== The final End.

The purpose and Means are Spiritual hence cannot be seeb, while the result is in the physical.

The Purpose and means is the underlying realities of the result.
Jesus is the result of what YHWH purposed to do on earth.

This is unbiblical, and an heresy
I will prefer the bible speak for itself.
Jesus has being existing as the Son of God even before his incarnation.
In Genesis God referred to himself as 'us' meaning more than one. The trinity is from eternity.

Humans are not trinue beings but we bear the imprint of it.


John1vv1 read that in the beginning the word was God and with God at the same same time, what does that tell you?
The word is one person who is God but with God in another person.

He Jesus has been in the bossom of the father bossom is used to refer to close proximity, there is nothing hidden there.

Blabbermouth:

Yes, The father and the son are persons. But , the spirit is a persona
Persona (in this context) means: PART/PORTION OF A PERSON...

read my previous write up.
The Holy Spirit is a person distinct from both the father and the Son not a part of their personality.
Jesus clearly referred to him as a separate person even God referred th his Spirit as a separate person. Where did the idea of the holy Spirit being a persona come from?
You dont make up something in your head and then try to misinterpret the bible to suit it.
Let the bible speak for its self

solite3:
read my previous write up.
You define persona and let us see if it fits into the scripture.
You dont make up something in your head and then try to misinterpret the bible to suit it.
Let the bible speak for its self

Do you have a mind?

solite3:

This is unbiblical, and an heresy
I will prefer the bible speak for itself.
Jesus has being existing as the Son of God even before his incarnation.
In Genesis God referred to himself as 'us' meaning more than one. The trinity is from eternity.

Humans are not trinue beings but we bear the imprint of it.


John1vv1 read that in the beginning the word was God and with God at the same same time, what does that tell you?
The word is one person who is God but with God in another person.

He Jesus has been in the bossom of the father bossom is used to refer to close proximity, there is nothing hidden there.

You don't answer my questions but just go on saying heresy.

What is the bossom of the father?

solite3:
who get to determine where and when to take the word literal?

your personal wrong opinion zero biblical

where did Jesus claim to be the holy Spirit? The Spirit was with his disciples as well as Jesus himself that was why they could perform miracles.

what you are saying is highly incoherent? Show me scriptures that prove Jesus is both the father and the Holy Spirit or what you are saying is the heresy of modalism not trinity.

Okay sir.

solite3:
If you understand what trinity is this is not even a question. By the way Jesus doesnt need to be in heaven to governer it.

Two questions trinitarians have not answered, and which may throw more light are these: Did Yahweh call anyone His God in the bible? Did Jesus call anyone His God in the bible?

Anas09:

You don't answer my questions but just go on saying heresy.

What is the bossom of the father?

In the bosom of the Father - This expression is taken from the custom among the Orientals of reclining at their meals. See the notes at Mat_23:6. It denotes intimacy, friendship, affection. Here it means that Jesus had a knowledge of God such as one friend has of another - knowledge of his character, designs, and nature which no other one possesses, and which renders him, therefore, qualified above all others to make him known. (Albert Barnes Commentary)

HedwigesMaduro:


Two questions trinitarians have not answered, and which may throw more light are these: Did Yahweh call anyone His God in the bible? Did Jesus call anyone His God in the bible?

this is not even a valid question?
Jesus called yahweh His God it is because he became a man one who was lesser than God.

solite3:
this is not even a valid question?
Jesus called yahweh His God it is because he became a man one who was lesser than God.

What about the spirit? I tell you again, the holy spirit is part of God (as a person). It is the spirit of God...

Anas09:

See? You don't understand who Jesus is.

Jesus is not a reflection of God, we are.

Jesus is really YHWH Himself.

And that Meme of that atheist, lol. Yeah, pretty much, that is what it is. It may sound stupid to you, but didn't the Bible say the things of the spirit sound stupid to carnal people?

May God forgive you for calling Jesus YAHWEH

jesusjnr:
With respect to the bolded, they do so in error because it is not technically correct, however it is an error that is quite spiritually inconsequential because God has put everything into the hand of His Son Jesus', and considering how humble God is, He wouldn't be bothered about it.

But technically speaking, you are correct that Jesus is not God Almighty, and neither is He the equal of God Almighty, because Jesus Himself said that the Father was greater than Him.

Jesus Himself said that the Father was greater than Him, but under what circumstance and/or in what context, did Jesus make this remark, huh jesusjnr?

Blabbermouth:

To a deep extent, you are right about the holy spirit!!!! I just haven't gotten to explaining that aspect....
God THE SPIRIT.. Doesn't mean the spirit is separate, it's just to say that God (is still) the holy spirit as the spirit is HIS(possessive pronoun).. Just as your mind is still YOU "blueAgent" and not a separate person of it's own. The mind is your physical spirit, the software of your physical form . Therefore you are your mind, and YOU and your mind are one (same person).
GOD THE FATHER... The bible tells us times without numbers that God is our heavenly father and our Father is God. So in simple sentence; God (is) the father.
In this way, I am right but is this how everyone sees the Trinity
Thus the title of this thread: The trinity confusion.
Do you now concur with this;
God is the Father, God is the spirit, and God is in the Son..

All through the Bible the spirit is reffered to as the Spirit of God, I think it is better we stick to that.

There is big difference in saying Mr John is a dog and saying Mr John's dog.

solite3:
If you understand what trinity is this is not even a question. By the way Jesus doesnt need to be in heaven to governer it.

Really?

You claim to understand it yet the Catholic Church and Bible commentators label it a mystery that cannot be understood.

It's obvious you are on your on.

Anas09:

Trinity is too much if a mystery to discuss with people who take the Bible to be a literal. Just forget it.

But, remember, if you die and in your mind you believe they are three person in one God, you will be termed an idolater, and won't be allowed into the kingdom of God.

God is One. Jesus is the manifestation of Jehovah. He is the Holy Spirit.

It will confuse you more if I begin to explain to you what He meant when he refered to YHWH as His father and Him being sent.

Just know that right now as we speak, Jesus is not a separate entity from YHWH in heaven. They are no two or three (God) personalities in heaven.

There's only One God abd His name is Jesus.

This is just Human explanation not Bible.

jesusjnr:
So there are numerous other evidences which supports this position, some of which you've posited and others which you've not even touched to show that this position is overwhelmingly scriptural.

God gave John, the brother of James, a rare revelation which no other apostle in the Bible had, which was that Jesus was the Word of God which was in the beginning. And that it was that Word that was made flesh. {John 1:1,14}

And if you go to the beginning, you'd see that He was the Word which proceeded from God's mouth, which God used in the process of creation. And the Spirit of God which also proceeded from God was the One which performed the Word which emanated from God's mouth.
So both the Word of God and the Spirit of God proceeded from God, for they belong to Him, therefore they can be cannot be the equal of God Almighty who they proceeded from.

But since they proceeded from God, they also have the "God" attribute in them which makes them to also be God, as in God the Word/Son, God the Spirit.

But They are not God Almighty, who is also the Father, neither are they equal to Him, even though they are One.

God bless.

"⁵In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
⁶Who, being in very nature a God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to His own advantage;
⁷rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness."
- Philippians 2:5-7

shadeyinka:
It's ok Sir.
You should let him heal rather than reopen his wounds.

Gal 6:1-2:
"Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such a one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ."

I didnt re-open any wound, it is an opened wound, it is an unattended to and left like that, already open wound

shadeyinka:
Dear Michellekabod2 and Anas09

I present my Olive Leaf to you both that's because you aren't enemies of each other and even true believers can differ in both experience, knowledge and faith.

Jesusjnr's experiences became his doctrine. He has corrected his mistake. The written word of God should supercede our experiences even though such experience may be real and extremely vivid. For even satan sometimes camouflage himself as an angel of light

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Smh, shadeyinka come and see this your unrepentant self-proclaimed prophet here again
Can't someone just please march out jesusjnr with his poisonous claws and fangs contribution from this thread ni?
The jesusjnr leopard doesnt change its spots, a leopard can't and doesn't change its spots, this a leopard, who cant get rid of its spots. jesusjnr has just confirmed that leopards never changes their spots