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The KJV Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon
Strong's Number: 03205 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
dly a primitive root
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
** YALAD
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
yaw-lad' Verb
Definition
to bear, bring forth, beget, gender, travail
(Qal)
to bear, bring forth 1a
of child birth 1a
of distress (simile) 1a
of wicked (behaviour)
to beget
(Niphal) to be born
(Piel)
to cause or help to bring forth

(Pual) to be born
(Hiphil)
to beget (a child)

King James Word Usage - Total: 498
beget 201, bare 110, born 79, bring forth 25, bear 23,.... borne 3, birth "

**FACT OF THE MATTER...
Hebrew YALAD meaning 'bring forth', give birth, born, in a nutshell, CREATE
Jehovah gave birth,born, brought forth (=CREATE) the mountains and the earth.

Jehovah the Father of ALL, CREATED Jesus Christ. Ephesians 4:6. 3:14,15. Col 1:15.
Bros, you can't erase 'YALAD' from Hebrew language/lexicon.

Thank you.

You see how you twist scripture to suit your fantasy.

Every word used in the Bible must be understood from the context it is been used.

Yalad means to bear, create, beget, born, brought forth

When it is applied to a living thing it means to give birth or beget but when it is applied to a non living thing logic should tell someone who is unbaised that it means to create or make. this is simple English that everyone understands except one that is biased.



Jehovah created Jesus, a living Spirit that is the express image of Him.

But Jehovah bore , bear, and begat mountains that are inanimate things.

How does that make sense to you?

Janosky:
(1)
Do you agree every angel is a son of God? Job1:6. 2:1. 38:7.

(ii).
Hebrews 1:3-8, Jesus Christ was exalted above whom ?

(iii)
Hebrews 1:9,Who were his 'fellows','peers',' 'companions' that the Father exalted Jesus above them?

You are aware the Father is peerless.
Q2.
Your last sentence not true...

*Source: Biblehub.
# FORM
εἶδος (eidos)
Noun - Accusative Neuter Singular
Strong's Greek 1491: Visible form, shape,
appearance, outward show, kind, species,
class. From eido; a view, i.e. Form."

*John5:37. 6:46. 1John4:12. Exodus 33:20.

In the heavenly realm, Yahweh is visible to all spirit beings- his son, Jesus and angels.
All spirit beings have the form (appearance ,shape ) of God.
John 4:24.
But NEVER visible to man.
Roman8:3 , God sent Jesus his son who took on the likeness of men to dwell on earth and sacrifice his life for man's redemption.

No Angel has Authority or power to forgive sin or receive worship even the Jews knew that only God can forgive sins and they challenged Jesus when he forgave the sin of People.

But they failed to understand that Jesus was the Son of God hence God by nature and has been given authority and power to forgive sins and to receive worship.


Mark 2:10 “ But that you may know that
THE SON OF MAN HAS POWER ON EARTH TO FORGIVE SINS. ”
And not just power to forgive sins. Jesus also said “ All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. ”

Matthew 28:18 And John wrote “The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into his hand. ” John 3:35

Janosky:
(1)
Do you agree every angel is a son of God? Job1:6. 2:1. 38:7.

(ii).
Hebrews 1:3-8, Jesus Christ was exalted above whom ?

(iii)
Hebrews 1:9,Who were his 'fellows','peers',' 'companions' that the Father exalted Jesus above them?

You are aware the Father is peerless.
Q2.
Your last sentence not true...

*Source: Biblehub.
# FORM
εἶδος (eidos)
Noun - Accusative Neuter Singular
Strong's Greek 1491: Visible form, shape,
appearance, outward show, kind, species,
class. From eido; a view, i.e. Form."

*John5:37. 6:46. 1John4:12. Exodus 33:20.

In the heavenly realm, Yahweh is visible to all spirit beings- his son, Jesus and angels.
All spirit beings have the form (appearance ,shape ) of God.
John 4:24.
But NEVER visible to man.
Roman8:3 , God sent Jesus his son who took on the likeness of men to dwell on earth and sacrifice his life for man's redemption.

What a lazy analogy.

First the Word God/god is a generic name for dieties which encompasses the devil,Demons and Satan.

Just like the name Adam which means Human or Man is inherited by every person born into this world, so also the name God means a divine self existent Supreme being of the order of God(the father).
Jesus been the son of God inherited his father's God nature and name which automatically makes him God.
But rather than having two God's we have one self existent God who is Lord and father of all who has a son Jesus, who is God by Inheritance or nature.
Jesus is been totally submitted to his father.

The difference is that while God has always existed and is self existent, Jesus was brought forth or made to exist by the father at a certain time before the World began.

A snake will give birth to a snake,a lion will also beget a lion, Man beget man so also a spirit will beget a spirit.

God beget Jesus(God)



The Bible says the whole family of Heaven is named after God

First Psalms 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

The word fellows implies every thing that God the Father has brought into existence and that includes Jesus,Angels Satan and Demons and Man.

But we are told that Jesus was made better and higher than Angels and that he Inherited a better name than they. So your analogy that fellow means Jesus is also an Angel is void considering other Bible verses that describe the nature and Level,class,form of Jesus which is that of God.

Emusan:
So if He is God and a deity.... Isn't He supposed to be worshipped and reverenced and do you worship and reverence Him?

If you do, does that not make you a polytheist?

Where did I write that Jesus should not be worshipped or reverenced?

The Bible made us to know that you cannot worship God or adore him without doing the same to Jesus.

As one worships Jesus he automatically Worships God becos they are one in unity and purpose.



E.g People honour and Revere Buhari's Sons and Children because of their fathers power and Authority if people don't respect Buhari they would never respect his Children.

So any honour given to Buhari's Children is an honour given to him(Buhari) becos of his power and authority.

Hebrews 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Matthew 10:40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

As we can see from the above verses God gave Jesus the Authority to receive praise and worship.

Janosky:
(1)
Do you agree every angel is a son of God? Job1:6. 2:1. 38:7.

(ii).
Hebrews 1:3-8, Jesus Christ was exalted above whom ?

(iii)
Hebrews 1:9,Who were his 'fellows','peers',' 'companions' that the Father exalted Jesus above them?

You are aware the Father is peerless.
Q2.
Your last sentence not true...

*Source: Biblehub.
# FORM
εἶδος (eidos)
Noun - Accusative Neuter Singular
Strong's Greek 1491: Visible form, shape,
appearance, outward show, kind, species,
class. From eido; a view, i.e. Form."

*John5:37. 6:46. 1John4:12. Exodus 33:20.

In the heavenly realm, Yahweh is visible to all spirit beings- his son, Jesus and angels.
All spirit beings have the form (appearance ,shape ) of God.
John 4:24.
But NEVER visible to man.
Roman8:3 , God sent Jesus his son who took on the likeness of men to dwell on earth and sacrifice his life for man's redemption.

Angels are spirits like God they are also called the sons of God.
But no where are Angels called the only begotten Son of God nor are Angels said to have come out of God.

blueAgent:
The translation of the verse is consistent with the message of the Bible.

We all know that the Bible uses symbolism sometimes and also Idioms in express a situation.

In this very verse everyone will agree that the brought forth or bear means to create or make .

Secondly mountains are inanimate things so they cannot be born or begetton by by God.

But in the case of Jesus who is a living Spirit like God the words born,bear and beget means every single letter of what they stand for.

Hebrews speak in their own dialect full of metaphorical phrases.

So it's either you use your God's given intellect to discern what they're saying or you ask for the simple/layman's interpretation of it.

But outrightly condemning the interpretation of someone who wants to interpret the words in it's original rendering is totally wrong!

blueAgent:
Angels are spirits like God they are also called the sons of God.
But no where are Angels called the only begotten Son of God nor are Angels said to have come out of God.

I've told you several times that the word "only begotten son" simply means the only creature directly made by God himself!

You'll continue to complicate issues by dwelling on any other meaning apart from that!

Janosky:
(1)
Do you agree every angel is a son of God? Job1:6. 2:1. 38:7.

(ii).
Hebrews 1:3-8, Jesus Christ was exalted above whom ?

(iii)
Hebrews 1:9,Who were his 'fellows','peers',' 'companions' that the Father exalted Jesus above them?

You are aware the Father is peerless.
Q2.
Your last sentence not true...

*Source: Biblehub.
# FORM
εἶδος (eidos)
Noun - Accusative Neuter Singular
Strong's Greek 1491: Visible form, shape,
appearance, outward show, kind, species,
class. From eido; a view, i.e. Form."

*John5:37. 6:46. 1John4:12. Exodus 33:20.

In the heavenly realm, Yahweh is visible to all spirit beings- his son, Jesus and angels.
All spirit beings have the form (appearance ,shape ) of God.
John 4:24.
But NEVER visible to man.
Roman8:3 , God sent Jesus his son who took on the likeness of men to dwell on earth and sacrifice his life for man's redemption.

We all agree that Jesus,Angels and Man are all sons of God, the question is why did Angels and Man not inherit God's name, Divinity, or be his express image?

blueAgent:
We all agree that Jesus,Angels and Man are all sons of God, the question is why did Angels and Man not inherit God's name, Divinity, or be his express image?

Not entirely correct.

Source: Wikipedia.com/divinity

".... the concept and nature of divinity always has its source ultimately from God himself.
(TAKE NOTE= 'DIVINITY'- It's the state or quality of being divine, and the term can denote Godly nature or character. In Hebrew, the terms would usually be "el", "elohim", and in Greek usually "theos", or "theias".... (1 Cor 8:5, Psalm 82:1,6. John10:34-36, man is EL, "Gods", they have divine nature or divinity.).

Or it may have reference to a deity.[8] Even angels in the Psalms are considered divine or elohim, as spirit beings, in God's form
(Psalm 8:5).
In the New Testament the Greek word θεῖον (theion) in the Douay Version, is translated as "divinity". Examples are below:


Revelation 5:12
"Saying with a loud voice: The Lamb that was slain is worthy to receive power, and divinity, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and benediction."
The word translated as either "deity", or "divinity" in the Greek New Testament is also the Greek word θεότητος (theotētos), and the one Verse that contains it is this: Colossians 2:9


"Because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily." (NWT)
"For in him all the fullness of deity lives in bodily form." (NET)
"For the full content of divine nature lives in Christ." (TEV)
The word "divine" in the New Testament is the Greek word θείας (theias), and is the adjective form of "divinity".

2 Peter 1:4
"Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust."

** It's Crystal clear that Jehovah bestowed 'divinity' on Christ, angels and man.
2Cor4:4,Christ is in the image of God.
Angels too,are in God's image..
James 3:9,Gen1:27, Man is in the image of God..

**STARK DIFFERENCE***
Ephesians 1:20,21. Matt28:18. Acts4:12 Jehovah gave Jesus Christ a name,power and authority which HE never gave to Angels and to man

when your dead, you don't know your dead
the pain is only felt by others

the same thing happens when you're stupid

blueAgent:
Angels are spirits like God they are also called the sons of God.
But no where are Angels called the only begotten Son of God nor are Angels said to have come out of God.

Whom did Angels come out of?
whom did Adam come out of?

[*

blueAgent:
You see how you twist scripture to suit your fantasy.

Every word used in the Bible must be understood from the context it is been used.

Yalad means to bear, create, beget, born, brought forth

When it is applied to a living thing it means to give birth or beget but when it is applied to a non living thing logic should tell someone who is unbaised that it means to create or make. this is simple English that everyone understands except one that is biased.



Jehovah created Jesus, a living Spirit that is the express image of Him.

But Jehovah bore , bear, and begat mountains that are inanimate things.

How does that make sense to you?

Bros blue, I like the way you present your points on this forum.
You indeed spend time and resources to dig out the facts....
In a nutshell, You said give birth, beget, born is strictly applicable to 'living things".
For non living, Jehovah "create or make".
You claimed that Psalms 90:2 KJV is more better & correct.
But you have issues to resolve.....

**

In view of your claims in your previous post...
**@A)
""But in the case of Jesus who is a living Spirit like God the words born,bear and beget means every single letter of what they stand for.[/quote][quote author=blueAgent""


*** @B).
"Jehovah created Jesus, "
quote author=blueAgent""

***My questions:

You claim, I twist the Scriptures , why Your point ,@A) contradicts your point **@B)?
.
In Deut 32:18 ,Did Jehovah ' begat' Israel or created Israel?

Are you wrong, or is the KJV wrong?
Deut 32 :18 (KJV).
"18 Of the Rock that begat thee thou art
unmindful, and hast forgotten God that
formed thee."

*

blueAgent:
First Psalms 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

The word fellows implies every thing that God the Father has brought into existence and that includes Jesus,Angels Satan and Demons and Man.

But we are told that Jesus was made better and higher than Angels and that he Inherited a better name than they. So your analogy that fellow means Jesus is also an Angel is void considering other Bible verses that describe the nature and Level,class,form of Jesus which is that of God.

Psalms 45:6, "Thy throne is God forever," or in the LXX, "Thy throne is the God forever." OR "Your divine throne" ( RSV )
** Psalms 45:6,7.
6 "Your throne is God's throne, ever and
always; The scepter of your royal rule
measures right living. 7 You love the right
and hate the wrong. And that is why God,
your very own God, poured fragrant oil on
your head, Marking you out as king from
among your dear companions. "
Rev 3:21. 1Chron29:23. Psalms 93:2. Luk1:31-33.

*****
Psalms 8:5 angels are Elohim.
Psalms 82:1,6. Man is Elohim, s
Where did anointing of Jesus above his fellows take place?
Hebrew 1:9, Earthly man no be Jesus Christ age mate, or peer in anything.....
****
Jehovah has no fellowship with Satan, neither Jesus and loyal angels in heaven.
Wetin concern Jesus with Satan and Demons wey Jehovah done sack komot from his loyalists tay tay.....? 2Cor 6:14,15


The koko of Hebrews chapter 1 says that Jesus Christ was exalted above the angels..
That is the subject headings of different Bible versions.....

In the context of Hebrews chapter 1,in it's entirety, who are those Jesus Christ was exalted above?

2 Thess1:7-9, Mark 8:38. Matt16:27 Jesus Christ the archangel leads his angels in a victorious battle. He is the angel of Yahweh (angel of the lord ) in the Old Testament.

solite3:
Creations can be sons of God is they bear some of God's character but the fact that something was crated by God doesnt make it a son of God else even animals would have been sons of God.

Animals are not created after the image of God.

But humans are


All Humans are children of God, agree ?

Adam was called a son of God because he was created in God's image

Finally , You admitted been created made Adam a Son of God
Jesus is in whose Image ?

Why should Jesus be in someone else image if he wasnt made by that person ?

but no other human is called the son of God except Jesus who is the only Begotten Son of God because he possesses the complete attribute of God in all ramification making him God Almighty.

You and I know the Above is a lie - Matthew 24:36

Jesus is God Almighty because he possesses the very same character that made God the Almighty.

Lie - /Matthew 24:36

solite3:
@ bolded lie. The devil is the Father of sinners does that mean the devil created them?

Good u didnt say Father of ALL humans either good or evil. That can never be said of Satan because he Created nothing

But all intelligent beings, either good or evil were called CHILDREN OF GOD, why ??

solite3:
Tell me were All things created through the Father or one thing created through the Father?

Again the context of hebrews 2vv10 as well as Romans 11vv36 are regarding his plans, purpose in creation and the redemption of man.
It Demonstrates that All things were created by the Father, Son and Holy Ghost but taking different roles.

If All things were made through the father it means there was nothing like an indirect agent of creation.

The Trinity speaks of roles All three persons of the trinity can be said to have created All things.
Hence All things were created by the father, by the Son and by the Holy Ghost.

Job 26:13
By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.

Psalms 33:6
By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

You see that All things being created through the Father, Son and Holy Ghost is not a subordination but of roles in creation.

At what point was the Father an agent ? Or name one thing created through the Fathers agency and not through Jesus ?

Two different beings please

[quote author=blueAgent post=81652840]The trinity doctrine teaches that God the Father, the Son and the Holyspirit are equal and one and the same God.
   Although a very popular and widely accepted doctrine among christains the trinity doctrine is unbiblical and not in accordance with the word of God. The word Trinity does not appear in the Bible neither was such doctrine taught by the Apostles or known to the early Christains.
The trinity doctrine was instituted by men at the Council of Nicaea in AD325 and at Council of Constantinople in AD381.
The trinity doctrine has it's origin in pagan Sun god worship that was started by Nimrod and his wife.

Who is God and Jesus?
The Bible is clear on the identity of God and his Son, Jesus they are 2 different beings or persons
Although one in unity and purpose, their relationship is that of father and Son.
The Apostles always identified God as the father who has neither beginning or end ,who alone has immortality,all power and authority  they also
heresy

blueAgent:
The trinity doctrine teaches that God the Father, the Son and the Holyspirit are equal and one and the same God.
   Although a very popular and widely accepted doctrine among christains the trinity doctrine is unbiblical and not in accordance with the word of God. The word Trinity does not appear in the Bible neither was such doctrine taught by the Apostles or known to the early Christains.
The trinity doctrine was instituted by men at the Council of Nicaea in AD325 and at Council of Constantinople in AD381.
The trinity doctrine has it's origin in pagan Sun god worship that was started by Nimrod and his wife.

Who is God and Jesus?
The Bible is clear on the identity of God and his Son, Jesus they are 2 different beings or persons
Although one in unity and purpose, their relationship is that of father and Son.
The Apostles always identified God as the father who has neither beginning or end ,who alone has immortality,all power and authority  they also identified and distinguished  Jesus as the only begotten Son of God  and not God the Father himself here is an  example.
2John1:3  Grace be with you, mercy and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
The identity of Jesus was well known to the discples of Jesus
Peter  in Matt 16:16,Martha the sister of  Lazarus, the  Centurion man,the high priest and many others  including the   Demons all identified Jesus as the son of God (remember Demons are fallen Angels)matthew8:29.
It is important that we understand who Jesus is, as  Jesus himself was interested in knowing whom people said he was. Luke 9:18

All through the Bible the personality of God and Jesus has been established and clearly stated.
It will be illogical for Jesus while he was on Earth to teach that he was sent by his father if  he himself was the father.
The question is who sent Jesus?
who did Jesus pray to when he was on the cross or when he raised Lazarus from the grave?Who was Jesus pleading to  to take away the cup? John 12:27
Whose will was Jesus referring to when he said father not my will but yours, mark 14:36
The evidence shows that Jesus was not the Father acting as the Son here on Earth but was the Son of God sent by God to the Earth to die as a ransom for man,John 6:38

Jesus, Son of God

The trinity doctrine teaches a 3in 1 god, that there are 3 but equal gods.
It denies the word of God that says Jesus is the BEGOTTEN Son of God. the same way a biological father proceeds his son so also God the Father proceeds his son, Jesus  Christ.
The Bible refers to Jesus as the first born of all creations Colossians 1:15,proverbs 8:22-end,Rev 3:14.
Jesus was brought into existence  at a certain time by his father before the World was created. Acts 13:33, God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

John5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; so it was God that gave Jesus life and not Jesus having his own life independently as claimed by trinitarians.
here are Jesus own words on his origin and existence.
Proverbs 8:22.
Unlike the Angels and other created beings who were made by the hand of  God, Jesus proceeded or came out  from his father John 8:42,16:27&28,17:8
He had the very nature , image and substance of his father, God. which no other created being has. Hebrews 1:4 Being MADE so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?  1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Note: Angels are sons of God by creation,born again Christains are sons of God by adoption (Romans 8:14-15) but Jesus Christ is the Son of God by inheritance Heb 1:4,

Are they Equal?

The trinity teaches that Jesus and the Holyspirit are co-equal with God but the Bible is abundantly clear that the son is not Co-equal with God.
No where in the Bible did Jesus  ever call himself God or equate himself to the father rather he reiterated the fact that he was sent by the father to do the will of the father and that the one who sends another is greater than the one sent.John13:16-20.
John 17:13, Matthew 10:40,John 10:18.
Rather than claim equality with God as fasely  taught by the trinity doctrine Jesus declares that his father is greater than him in John 14:28,he also calls his father his God Matt 27:46,John 20:17, here are some other verses to clearify this point
1Corinthains11:3,Colossians 1:14-19,John 5:19-47,John 5:19 & 5:20,John 5:27, Isaiah 53:11,Isaiah 42:1,Isaiah 49:7 Luke 24:19,
Philippians 2:5
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 2:6 Who, being in the form of God(nature of God, of cos he was born by God so he will bear God's nature), thought it not robbery to be equal with God:  2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men :2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name.

God Honours his Son.

After the ressurection and Ascension of Jesus to Heaven  God exalted Jesus and gave him a name above every other name Philippians 2:9.
It will be illogical for God to exalts and give power and authority to Jesus if he was co- equal with God and already had those privileges.Ephesians 1:20-23, Mark 12:36.
The Bible also teaches that at the end of the great controversy between good and evil when all power and principalities have been subdued for the sake of Jesus. Than Jesus will subject all things including himself to God 1Corinthians 15:28.

Who is the Holyspirit.

The Holyspirit is not a person or being as taught by the trinitarians but the the Holyspirit is the spirit of God and his Son Jesus, Ephesians 4:30, 1Thessalonians 4:8,God is a spirit who has a spirit which is his  mind,will,purpose,power,  and presence Genesis 1:2, Zachariah 4:6, 1peter 1:1.
It is this spirit  that God sends to us that dwells in us and enables us to do his will,Romans 8:9&11, 1john4:13, Isaiah 63:11, 1Corinthains 3:16, 1 Corinthians 12:8-11,John 7:39,14:17, Ezeikel 36:27.
Just as we showed earlier that Jesus did nothing of his own will or desire but that of his father so also the Holy spirit can only speak and show what it is instructed to say . This is evidence that it is not a being Co-equal with God that has it's own power and will.
There are few verses  that have been taken out of context and are used by  the trinitarians to promote their false doctrines
E.g is that the Bible refers to the Holy spirit as HE this does not prove  anything because  there are examples in the Bible where non- living things are personified or expressed with words like he or his examples are in proverbs 1:20,7:4,8:1,9:1where wisdom and knowledge are reffered to as he,his,she this also applies to the Holy spirit.
The Holy Spirit is likened  to a gift
In Luke 11:13,God pours out his Holy spirit Acts 2:18.
The identity and function of the Holy Spirit will be treated in subsequent articles.

Implications of the Trinity doctrine.

This doctrine has severe implications and consequences as it teaches that Jesus is not the literal Son of God,that Jesus is the same age as the father and has always existed along side him but this will make them twins and not a real  Father and Son it also teaches that the holyspirit is a being  Co-equal and  co-eternal making them triplets.

Thus the trinity doctrine denies that both the father and son are two different persons thus it denies their personality or persons.

Apostle Paul taught Christains that the Antichrist is anyone or teaching that denies Jesus is the son of God and thus denies the father and son  1John2:22-23,1john 4:3
It distorts who God says he is.
The doctrine of trinity also lends credance  or promotes the Catholic teaching that Mary is the mother of God  since it claims Jesus is   God and Co-equal to God. It is not surprising that this trinity doctrine was instituted by the usual suspects the Catholic Church and they claim it is the foundation on which all other of there teachings is based on.

Note:The angel that delivered the message  to Virgin  Mary  told her that the  child will be called( the Son of God) and not God. Nothing stops God from describing Jesus as God or his twin or avatar, rather he  used the adjective SON of God to distinguish him from the Father.

Conclusion.
The trinity doctrine cannot be proved in the Bible neither does it have any divine origin or inspiration.
It is one of those man made doctrines that have crept into Christaintity. it is unacceptable to God and contracdicts God's word about himself.
A lot of lies have been sold to us as Bible doctrines which are not Biblical, I urge the readers to do more research on this topic and to diligently search the word of God  2 Timothy 2:15, just like Paul said that we should prove all things through the scripture, rightfully dividing the word of God and not depending on men or some few Bible verses that have been lifted out of context inorder to suit a preconcieved  belief or idea.1Thessalonians 5:21

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Jehovah of the Old Testament is the Jesus Christ of the new testament. Simple. One and same person, but with different offices. Trinity came from Rome, after their large pantheon of gods they worshipped, and brought it to Christianity. No Jew accepts this Trinity hogwash, anywhere in the world.
Deut 6.4- Hear, O Israel, the Lord thy God is one Lord, not three.

Maximus69:
I've told you several times that the word "only begotten son" simply means the only creature directly made by God himself!

You'll continue to complicate issues by dwelling on any other meaning apart from that!

Who gave such definition or meaning?

Do you expect us to accept your personal meaning of Only BEGOTTEN Son or the dictionary meaning?

This is what happens when you refuse to accept the word of God and you try to fit the word of God to suit your preconcieved beliefs rather than to use the word of God to build or alter your beliefs.


Begotten means to give birth, bear, born.

begotten
be·​got·​ten | \ bi-ˈgä-tᵊn , bē-\
Definition of begotten (Entry 1 of 2)
past participle of BEGET
// There is no killing the suspicion that deceit has once
begotten.
— George Eliot
// This small, austerely decorated restaurant on the
unfashionable end of Melrose Avenue has begotten a
second establishment …
— Jean T. Barrett
begotten adjective
Definition of begotten (Entry 2 of 2)
: brought into existence by or as if by a parent
// "He didn't send his only begotten son through a
whirlwind …"
— Jesse Jackson
// … she was also a self-absorbed alcoholic with a
penchant for promiscuous infidelity and scant interest in
such minor matters as her only begotten child.
— Deborah Orr
— see also MISBEGOTTEN, ILL-BEGOTTEN
First Known Use of begotten
Adjective
14th century, in the meaning defined above
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begotten �
Something is begotten when it's been generated by
procreation — in other words, it's been fathered.
A somewhat old fashioned adjective, begotten is the past
participle of the verb beget, which means to father or produce
as offspring. You might recognize this word from John 3:16,
one of the most popular and most often quoted bible verses:
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life."
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The filmmaker’s begotten a Latin American brainchild sharing
chromosomes with “Heart of Darkness” and “Lord of the Flies”
but with thunderous stylistic panache setting apart its 21st
century frenzy.
Los Angeles Times Sep 12, 2019
He blames himself for the death of his son in the Iraq war; it
was he who encouraged his only begotten to enlist.
Slate Jun 13, 2018
If Trump wants it so badly let him pay for it from his ill
begotten billions not from taxpayers hard earned money.
New York Times Mar 22, 2018
The small protest outside was highlighted by young Christian
fundamentalists holding a sign that read: “Life is ‘rotten’
without God’s only begotten /Jesus!!!”
Washington Times Jan 14, 2018
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If Jesus was created by God then that verse would have said the only first created being and not Begotten.

blueAgent:
Who gave such definition or meaning?

Do you expect us to accept your personal meaning of Only BEGOTTEN Son or the dictionary meaning?

This is what happens when you refuse to accept the word of God and you try to fit the word of God to suit your preconcieved beliefs rather than to use the word of God to build or alter your beliefs.


Begotten means to give birth, bear, born.

begotten
be·​got·​ten | \ bi-ˈgä-tᵊn , bē-\
Definition of begotten (Entry 1 of 2)
past participle of BEGET
// There is no killing the suspicion that deceit has once
begotten.
— George Eliot
// This small, austerely decorated restaurant on the
unfashionable end of Melrose Avenue has begotten a
second establishment …
— Jean T. Barrett
begotten adjective
Definition of begotten (Entry 2 of 2)
: brought into existence by or as if by a parent
// "He didn't send his only begotten son through a
whirlwind …"
— Jesse Jackson
// … she was also a self-absorbed alcoholic with a
penchant for promiscuous infidelity and scant interest in
such minor matters as her only begotten child.
— Deborah Orr
— see also MISBEGOTTEN, ILL-BEGOTTEN
First Known Use of begotten
Adjective
14th century, in the meaning defined above
Keep scrolling for more
Learn More about begotten
Share begotten

begotten �
Something is begotten when it's been generated by
procreation — in other words, it's been fathered.
A somewhat old fashioned adjective, begotten is the past
participle of the verb beget, which means to father or produce
as offspring. You might recognize this word from John 3:16,
one of the most popular and most often quoted bible verses:
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life."
Start learning this word
Think you know begotten? Quiz yourself:
ASSESSMENT: 100 POINTS
begotten means :
neglected
biological
bewitched
forbidden
 Add to List... � Share It
Definitions of
begotten
1.
adj
(of offspring) generated by procreation
“naturally begotten child”
biological
of parents and children; related by blood
Word Family
Usage Examples
�
All Sources

Fiction
�
Arts / Culture
�
News

Business
�
Sports

Science / Med
�
Technology
The filmmaker’s begotten a Latin American brainchild sharing
chromosomes with “Heart of Darkness” and “Lord of the Flies”
but with thunderous stylistic panache setting apart its 21st
century frenzy.
Los Angeles Times Sep 12, 2019
He blames himself for the death of his son in the Iraq war; it
was he who encouraged his only begotten to enlist.
Slate Jun 13, 2018
If Trump wants it so badly let him pay for it from his ill
begotten billions not from taxpayers hard earned money.
New York Times Mar 22, 2018
The small protest outside was highlighted by young Christian
fundamentalists holding a sign that read: “Life is ‘rotten’
without God’s only begotten /Jesus!!!”
Washington Times Jan 14, 2018
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If Jesus was created by God then that verse would have said the only first created being and not Begotten.

If your theory is correct, it will yield positive fruits! Matthew 7:15-20

So all these your arguments is futile! James 2:18-26

Maximus69:
If your theory is correct, it will yield positive fruits! Matthew 7:15-20

So all these your arguments is futile! James 2:18-26

Stop confusing yourself, JW are no where close to some of the Pentecostal Churches when it comes to evangelism and impact.

Can you be specific on the impacts you claim you have done.

1 Corinthians 10:12
Therefore let him that thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.

Secondly no matter your impact or whatever you say you have done it amounts to nothing if it does not agree with the word of God.

God so honours his word that he exalts it above his name.

Psalm 138:2 for you have exalted your Word above all your
name.


Matt 7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out
devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

blueAgent:
Stop confusing yourself, JW are no where close to some of the Pentecostal Churches when it comes to evangelism and impact.

Can you be specific on the impacts you claim you have done.

1 Corinthians 10:12
Therefore let him that thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.

Secondly no matter your impact or whatever you say you have done it amounts to nothing if it does not agree with the word of God.

God so honours his word that he exalts it above his name.

Psalm 138:2 for you have exalted your Word above all your
name.


Matt 7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out
devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

We're not debating on which book to use on this matter. You and i are claiming that the Bible is God's word!
What we're deliberating now is how to apply what was written, so that everyone out there can be convinced that our book Bible exert power {Hebrew 4:12} and it can set matters straight respecting people from different nations, cultures and profession! Micah 4:1-3 compared to 2Timothy 3:16-17

If you're 100% sure that all those religions are producing the expected FRUIT, then you need not come here debating on their TRINITY because it's their fundamental doctrine!

Maximus69:
If your theory is correct, it will yield positive fruits! Matthew 7:15-20

So all these your arguments is futile! James 2:18-26

What impact are you talking of, I just checked and JW have only 8.5million members which cannot compare to the 25million members of Adventist Church.

poik:
Jehovah of the Old Testament is the Jesus Christ of the new testament. Simple. One and same person, but with different offices. Trinity came from Rome, after their large pantheon of gods they worshipped, and brought it to Christianity. No Jew accepts this Trinity hogwash, anywhere in the world.
Deut 6.4- Hear, O Israel, the Lord thy God is one Lord, not three.

That's not true. Jehovah of the old testament is Almighty God the Father is the same God of the new testament and he is different from the Son, CHRIST JESUS.

blueAgent:
What impact are you talking of, I just checked and JW have only 8.5million members which cannot compare to the 25million members of Adventist Church.

Jesus said "just as it happened in the day of Noah" Luke 17:26

Please if compared to the world's population of Noah's day, of what ratio was those that were saved?

And were they scattered or having different mindsets regarding how one can be saved?

Janosky:
Psalms 45:6, "Thy throne is God forever," or in the LXX, "Thy throne is the God forever." OR "Your divine throne" ( RSV )
** Psalms 45:6,7.
6 "Your throne is God's throne, ever and
always; The scepter of your royal rule
measures right living. 7 You love the right
and hate the wrong. And that is why God,
your very own God, poured fragrant oil on
your head, Marking you out as king from
among your dear companions. "
Rev 3:21. 1Chron29:23. Psalms 93:2. Luk1:31-33.

*****
Psalms 8:5 angels are Elohim.
Psalms 82:1,6. Man is Elohim, s
Where did anointing of Jesus above his fellows take place?
Hebrew 1:9, Earthly man no be Jesus Christ age mate, or peer in anything.....
****
Jehovah has no fellowship with Satan, neither Jesus and loyal angels in heaven.
Wetin concern Jesus with Satan and Demons wey Jehovah done sack komot from his loyalists tay tay.....? 2Cor 6:14,15


The koko of Hebrews chapter 1 says that Jesus Christ was exalted above the angels..
That is the subject headings of different Bible versions.....

In the context of Hebrews chapter 1,in it's entirety, who are those Jesus Christ was exalted above?

2 Thess1:7-9, Mark 8:38. Matt16:27 Jesus Christ the archangel leads his angels in a victorious battle. He is the angel of Yahweh (angel of the lord ) in the Old Testament.

Allow the Bible to interpret itself.

God calls Jesus God that's more than enough to tell you who Jesus is.


Psalms 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Janosky:
Bros blue, I like the way you present your points on this forum.
You indeed spend time and resources to dig out the facts....
In a nutshell, You said give birth, beget, born is strictly applicable to 'living things".
For non living, Jehovah "create or make".
You claimed that Psalms 90:2 KJV is more better & correct.
But you have issues to resolve.....

**

In view of your claims in your previous post...
**@A)
""But in the case of Jesus who is a living Spirit like God the words born,bear and beget means every single letter of what they stand for.[quote author=blueAgent""


*** @B).
"Jehovah created Jesus, "
quote author=blueAgent""

***My questions:

You claim, I twist the Scriptures , why Your point ,@A) contradicts your point **@B)?
.
In Deut 32:18 ,Did Jehovah ' begat' Israel or created Israel?

Are you wrong, or is the KJV wrong?
Deut 32 :18 (KJV).
"18 Of the Rock that begat thee thou art
unmindful, and hast forgotten God that
formed thee."

Yes , he beget Israel not literally.
Secondly from that sentence you can see that God was speaking in Idioms e.g God referred to himself as the Rock. This does not mean that God is a Rock but that God is a fortress like a rock is.

That explains a lot about how words were applied in the statement.

Janosky:
Whom did Angels come out of?
whom did Adam come out of?

You just nailed/shoot yourself on the foot.

Adam and Angels did not come out from God or Jesus because they are created beings.

But Jesus came out of God and has God's nature hence he is not a created being.

This proves while Angels and Adam did not have God's nature or name this is because they where created, but Jesus has God's name and nature.

Janosky:
Not entirely correct.

Source: Wikipedia.com/divinity

".... the concept and nature of divinity always has its source ultimately from God himself.
(TAKE NOTE= 'DIVINITY'- It's the state or quality of being divine, and the term can denote Godly nature or character. In Hebrew, the terms would usually be "el", "elohim", and in Greek usually "theos", or "theias".... (1 Cor 8:5, Psalm 82:1,6. John10:34-36, man is EL, "Gods", they have divine nature or divinity.).

Or it may have reference to a deity.[8] Even angels in the Psalms are considered divine or elohim, as spirit beings, in God's form
(Psalm 8:5).
In the New Testament the Greek word θεῖον (theion) in the Douay Version, is translated as "divinity". Examples are below:


Revelation 5:12
"Saying with a loud voice: The Lamb that was slain is worthy to receive power, and divinity, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and benediction."
The word translated as either "deity", or "divinity" in the Greek New Testament is also the Greek word θεότητος (theotētos), and the one Verse that contains it is this: Colossians 2:9


"Because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily." (NWT)
"For in him all the fullness of deity lives in bodily form." (NET)
"For the full content of divine nature lives in Christ." (TEV)
The word "divine" in the New Testament is the Greek word θείας (theias), and is the adjective form of "divinity".

2 Peter 1:4
"Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust."

** It's Crystal clear that Jehovah bestowed 'divinity' on Christ, angels and man.
2Cor4:4,Christ is in the image of God.
Angels too,are in God's image..
James 3:9,Gen1:27, Man is in the image of God..

**STARK DIFFERENCE***
Ephesians 1:20,21. Matt28:18. Acts4:12 Jehovah gave Jesus Christ a name,power and authority which HE never gave to Angels and to man

You are only re-interpretting scriptures to suit your argument.
You have not explained why Jesus is called God by the father or while he has the express image of the father.

Maximus69:
We're not debating on which book to use on this matter. You and i are claiming that the Bible is God's word!
What we're deliberating now is how to apply what was written, so that everyone out there can be convinced that our book Bible exert power {Hebrew 4:12} and it can set matters straight respecting people from different nations, cultures and profession! Micah 4:1-3 compared to 2Timothy 3:16-17

If you're 100% sure that all those religions are producing the expected FRUIT, then you need not come here debating on their TRINITY because it's their fundamental doctrine!

Whether JW, Adventist or Apostlic or Catholic God is not interested in labels what God wants is adherence to his word that is what is important to God.

Matthew 4:4:
But he answered and said, it is written, Man shall not live
by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of
the mouth of God.