Janosky:


Explain what?
Are you kidding me?
Some thing is wrong with your reasoning ability... You've lost it.

laugh, poor ™lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

everything is confusion to you:

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Maximus69:


@bolded means the one and only creature DIRECTLY made by God, when all other things were created through the instruction of God as given to Jesus who is acting on the instruction from his God and Father! Colossians 1:15-16

So God never gave birth to anyone the way women deliver babies, he created some while those created are completing his work as his coworkers.

For instance, when God created Adam and Eve there was nothing like telephone, television, Radio, internet, plane, rocket, spaceship, cars, skyscrapers and so on. But today we have all of this because MAN {God's likeness in the flesh} have learnt so much by closely watching the works of God to CREATE all these new things!

So if Moses is resurrected today, he wouldn't give the glory of all these to humans but to God who imparted the ability to create all these in man's heart!

Jesus was created first, that's why he is called the only begotten son of God whereas all of us are God's children too. The only difference is God created Jesus directly whereas the rest of us exist through the power God implanted in Jesus to create us!

So all the glory and honour must returns to God who is all in all! 1Corinthians 15:27-28

Thanks!

That's not true.

You cannot interpret God's word the way you like it.

begotten adjective
Definition of begotten (Entry 2 of 2)
: brought into existence by or as if by a parent
// "He didn't send his only begotten son through a
whirlwind …"

If God can create plants and Amoeba that can reproduce by Asexual reproduction meaning that they don't need any partner inorder to bear their kind than why will it be impossible for God to beget his kind or is their anything difficult for God to do?

All through the Bible the word begot implies Father or parent procreating a child.

solite3:

Jesus is not the Son of God by birth
Are you insinuating God gave birth?
God can not be created, part of characteristics of God's nature is that he is eternal meaning he has always existed and he will always exist.
Jesus is God hence has that quality.

That's not true.
You cannot interpret God's word the way you like it.
begotten adjective
Definition of begotten (Entry 2 of 2)
: brought into existence by or as if by a parent
// "He didn't send his only begotten son through a
whirlwind …"
If God can create plants and Amoeba that can reproduce by
Asexual reproduction meaning that they don't need any
partner inorder to bear their kind than why will it be
impossible for God to beget his kind or is their anything
difficult for God to do?
All through the Bible the word begot implies Father or parent
procreating a child.

solite3:
Good we are getting somewhere you are right that Jesus is not an angel. As a Son he is God just like the Son of man is also man. He is the begotten Son because unlike the angels he is God.

Joker.

Maximus69:


There is just one difference between Jesus and all other angels. He is the firstborn {Colossians 1:15} certainly there must be second, third, fourth and others born after Jesus.
Do you think the scripture here is talking about Mary's children by calling Jesus the firstborn of all creation?

My friend they are angels! Just as Adam was the firstborn son of God in the flesh {Luke 3:38},Jesus was the firstborn son of God in the spirit. That's why Apostle Paul called Jesus the last Adam because both of them were firstborn sons of God in different settings! 1Corinthians 15:45

So when God asked the angels who will take up the task to come down, live amongst humans and redeem humans from Adamic sin {Isaiah 6:8-10}, don't think Isaiah was talking about himself in that scripture, Jesus told us that it's about him! John 12:41 compared to Matthew 13:14-15

For your information, Jesus agreed to come down, face all the troubles from the ruler of this world Satan the devil {John 14:30} and redeem mankind because of all the creatures God used Jesus to procreate, humans interests Jesus most! Proverbs 8:31

If God gave an Angel to redeem man than John 3:16 becomes invalid.
That calls into question God's love for his creations.
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only
Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have
eternal life.


But God gave his only begotten Son, there is a reason for the emphasis that God loved the World so much that he gave his only BEGOTTEN SON and not an Angel conferred with the title of a son.

Romans 8:32
He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us
all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

solite3:

Good we are getting somewhere you are right that Jesus is not an angel.
As a Son he is God just like the Son of man is also man.
He is the begotten Son because unlike the angels he is God.

Nothing stops John from telling us that God gave himself.

John concludes
by writing, “Many other signs therefore
Jesus also performed … but these have been written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. ” John 20:30-31
John did not write “that you may believe that Jesus was God. ” If that were so, it would have been far greater for John to
proclaim that Jesus is God rather than that He is the Son of God.

Maximus69:


@bolded means the one and only creature DIRECTLY made by God, when all other things were created through the instruction of God as given to Jesus who is acting on the instruction from his God and Father! Colossians 1:15-16

So God never gave birth to anyone the way women deliver babies, he created some while those created are completing his work as his coworkers.

For instance, when God created Adam and Eve there was nothing like telephone, television, Radio, internet, plane, rocket, spaceship, cars, skyscrapers and so on. But today we have all of this because MAN {God's likeness in the flesh} have learnt so much by closely watching the works of God to CREATE all these new things!

So if Moses is resurrected today, he wouldn't give the glory of all these to humans but to God who imparted the ability to create all these in man's heart!

Jesus was created first, that's why he is called the only begotten son of God whereas all of us are God's children too. The only difference is God created Jesus directly whereas the rest of us exist through the power God implanted in Jesus to create us!

So all the glory and honour must returns to God who is all in all! 1Corinthians 15:27-28

Thanks!

Your idealogy that Jesus is an Angel of God who God annoited as his son is untrue and cannot be proven in the Bible.
Here God is laying emphasis on the fact that Jesus is his literal Son.

If you do not confess Jesus is the Son of
God then you are separated from God.
“Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is
the Son of God , God dwelleth in him, and
he in God. ” 1 John 4:15 . And again,
“Who is he that overcometh the world,
but he that believeth that Jesus is the
Son of God? ” 1 John 5:5
And if you deny Jesus is the Son of God
and that God gave His literal Son then
you make God a liar and you do not
have eternal life. “ He that believeth on
the Son of God has the witness in
himself: he that believeth not God has
made him a liar; because he believeth not
the record that God gave of his Son. And
this is the record, that God has given to
us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
He that has the Son has life; and he that
has not the Son of God has not life. ” 1
John 5:10-12
“But these are written, that you might
believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son
of God; and that believing you might have
life through his name . ” John 20:31

blueAgent:


If God gave an Angel to redeem man than John 3:16 becomes invalid.
That calls into question God's love for his creations.
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only
Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have
eternal life.


But God gave his only begotten Son, there is a reason for the emphasis that God loved the World so much that he gave his only BEGOTTEN SON and not an Angel conferred with the title of a son.

Romans 8:32
He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us
all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

God gave his only begotten son, means God gave something he had which is a son. But this time his only begotten.

You only need to understand the meaning of only begotten. After all we agreed on the meaning of son, and it's clear God has lots of sons {angels}. Genesis 6:1, Job 1:6

The Bible also called angels morning stars and sons of God {Job 38:7} and Jesus referred to himself as the bright morning star! Revelations 22:16

Perhaps he is not one of those morning stars!

Maximus69:


God gave his only begotten son, means God gave something he had which is a son. But this time his only begotten.

You only need to understand the meaning of only begotten. After all we agreed on the meaning of son, and it's clear God has lots of sons {angels}. Genesis 6:1, Job 1:6

The Bible also called angels morning stars and sons of God {Job 38:7} and Jesus referred to himself as the bright morning star! Revelations 22:16

Perhaps he is not one of those morning stars!

In your own words what does Begotten mean?

blueAgent:


Your idealogy that Jesus is an Angel of God who God annoited as his son is untrue and cannot be proven in the Bible.
Here God is laying emphasis on the fact that Jesus is his literal Son.

If you do not confess Jesus is the Son of
God then you are separated from God.
“Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is
the Son of God , God dwelleth in him, and
he in God. ” 1 John 4:15 . And again,
“Who is he that overcometh the world,
but he that believeth that Jesus is the
Son of God? ” 1 John 5:5
And if you deny Jesus is the Son of God
and that God gave His literal Son then
you make God a liar and you do not
have eternal life. “ He that believeth on
the Son of God has the witness in
himself: he that believeth not God has
made him a liar; because he believeth not
the record that God gave of his Son. And
this is the record, that God has given to
us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
He that has the Son has life; and he that
has not the Son of God has not life. ” 1
John 5:10-12
“But these are written, that you might
believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son
of God; and that believing you might have
life through his name . ” John 20:31

Where you're getting it all mixed up is saying God has no other spirit sons apart from Jesus!

Jesus is God's son like other angels.

Confessing it means accepting all that Jesus taught people in thoughts, words and actions as the only kind of teaching that can make God wipe away all our sins!

Jesus died for all sinners, but the only set of sinners who will benefit from that sacrifice are those who fully accepts Jesus' teachings as the ultimate.

For instance most religionists thought they're Christians, yet they teach people what Jesus never taught. Of course if you ask them who is Jesus?, most of them will say he is God or he is God's only begotten son. But ask them Jesus' final decision on matters like singleness, marriage, polygamy, vengeance, curses, alcoholic beverages, prayer, fasting, politics, materialism, me first attitude and so on, then you'll hear them relating the ideas of someone called Pastor!

So they don't grasp the concept {accepting Jesus as God's only begotten son}

Let me give you few examples.

Most people will start making noise in the streets in the name of preaching. Whereas they ought to bow to Jesus' method Matthew 12:19

They can stand praying in the public for observers to start calling them prayer warrior! Matthew 6:5-6

They can repeat the same words in their prayers as if God is counting how many times they're saying it! Matthew 6:7

They condemn anyone they noticed with alcoholic beverages! Luke 7:31-35

They curse their adversaries incessantly! Matthew 5:44

They grab political appointments! John 6:15

They highly cherish material possessions! Matthew 6:24-34

They take it as a curse if someone is not married or couples that have remained childless! Matthew 19:10-12

But when you ask them "who is Jesus?"

They'll start eulogizing him with all manner of mouth praise! Mark 7:6-7

So take your time to know the meaning when God's word says (confess Jesus as God's only begotten son) or (sanctifying him as Lord in your heart!). 1Peter 3:15

God bless you!

blueAgent:



In your own words what does Begotten mean?

It's not complete without adding the word only.

God's only begotten connotes the one and only son God had when he was all alone by himself! Proverbs 8:22

All other sons of God be it humans or spirits came through the handiwork of God's firstborn son! Colossians 1:15-16

But that doesn't mean the first creature himself is not an angel, he's just the first that's all!

Adam was called God's son {Luke 3:38} because he is the first human son of God who came to being through procreation work which Jesus did! Proverbs 8:30-31

Maximus69:


It's not complete without adding the word only.

God's only begotten connotes the one and only son God had when he was all alone by himself! Proverbs 8:22

All other sons of God be it humans or spirits came through the handiwork of God's firstborn son! Colossians 1:15-16

But that doesn't mean the first creature himself is not an angel, he's just the first that's all!

Adam was called God's son {Luke 3:38} because he is the first human son of God who came to being through procreation work which Jesus did! Proverbs 8:30-31

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Let me get you, your argument is that Jesus is an Angel conferred with the title son of God and not the son of God by act of procreation?

Maximus69:


Where you're getting it all mixed up is saying God has no other spirit sons apart from Jesus!

Jesus is God's son like other angels.

Confessing it means accepting all that Jesus taught people in thoughts, words and actions as the only kind of teaching that can make God wipe away all our sins!

Jesus died for all sinners, but the only set of sinners who will benefit from that sacrifice are those who fully accepts Jesus' teachings as the ultimate.

For instance most religionists thought they're Christians, yet they teach people what Jesus never taught. Of course if you ask them who is Jesus?, most of them will say he is God or he is God's only begotten son. But ask them Jesus' final decision on matters like singleness, marriage, polygamy, vengeance, curses, alcoholic beverages, prayer, fasting, politics, materialism, me first attitude and so on, then you'll hear them relating the ideas of someone called Pastor!

So they don't grasp the concept {accepting Jesus as God's only begotten son}

Let me give you few examples.

Most people will start making noise in the streets in the name of preaching. Whereas they ought to bow to Jesus' method Matthew 12:19

They can stand praying in the public for observers to start calling them prayer warrior! Matthew 6:5-6

They can repeat the same words in their prayers as if God is counting how many times they're saying it! Matthew 6:7

They condemn anyone they noticed with alcoholic beverages! Luke 7:31-35

They curse their adversaries incessantly! Matthew 5:44

They grab political appointments! John 6:15

They highly cherish material possessions! Matthew 6:24-34

They take it as a curse if someone is not married or couples that have remained childless! Matthew 19:10-12

But when you ask them "who is Jesus?"

They'll start eulogizing him with all manner of mouth praise! Mark 7:6-7

So take your time to know the meaning when God's word says (confess Jesus as God's only begotten son) or (sanctifying him as Lord in your heart!). 1Peter 3:15

God bless you!

I want you to tell me in your own words what makes Jesus better or higher than (other, as you assume)Angels

Maximus69:


God gave his only begotten son, means God gave something he had which is a son. But this time his only begotten.

You only need to understand the meaning of only begotten. After all we agreed on the meaning of son, and it's clear God has lots of sons {angels}. Genesis 6:1, Job 1:6

The Bible also called angels morning stars and sons of God {Job 38:7} and Jesus referred to himself as the bright morning star! Revelations 22:16

Perhaps he is not one of those morning stars!

Don't contradict yourself, you need to allow the Bible to explain it self.

Since Angels are sons of God as you said, why is Jesus called only BEGOTTEN Son? considering the fact that there are uncountable numbers of Angels.

blueAgent:
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Let me get you, your argument is that Jesus is an Angel conferred with the title son of God and not the son of God by act of procreation?

All intelligent creatures {angels or humans} are God's sons by virtue of his likeness! Genesis 1:26-27

The title son of God simply connotes authenticity as in someone born in our midst but who is not from this source! Isaiah 9:6 compared to John 8:23

It means he when we read what's recorded at Genesis 1:26, this person is much more of the likeness of God unlike we who are products of procreation!

The religious leaders of Jesus' days knew what this meant, that's why they started criticizing all his teachings! Matthew 12:24
They know that if truly Jesus is what he claims to be, then they must submit themselves to his teachings! John 11:48

Satan is the one behind all those rival groups who suddenly formed alliance against Jesus, that's what Satan is also doing today with all these rival religious groups against Jehovah's Witnesses!

Note that they're not united in their doctrines but against Jehovah's Witnesses, they'll spitefully hide their differences to agree as if they're one!

blueAgent:



Don't contradict yourself, you need to allow the Bible to explain it self.

Since Angels are sons of God as you said, why is Jesus called only BEGOTTEN Son? considering the fact that there are uncountable numbers of Angels.

Only begotten son simply means the one and only angel God created DIRECTLY without involving any coworker!

blueAgent:



I want you to tell me in your own words what makes Jesus better or higher than (other, as you assume)Angels

The name Jesus was given to this mighty spirit son of God when he became human to put on the form of a lower creature than that of angels! Hebrew 2:9

But according to Jesus' own teachings, God exalted him above all other heavenly creatures for his humility! Philippians 2:7-11 compared to Luke 14:8-11

johnw47:

oh buh blindeed ™lie lie barrister
it's already been shown with scriptures that the Word Jesus Christ created all that was created
but of course you don't believe God'word making Him a liar

the Word Jesus created the angels so He is Father of the angels
the word Jesus created man so He He is Father of man
the word Jesus created all things so He is the Father of all things


the Word Jesus Christ - Mighty God, is the Everlasting Father:

Isa 9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


oh very duh blinded lie lie:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

If Jesus is a creator, who are his sons ?

solite3:
the question is for you, where was it written that everything was created through the father
Rather everything is by him, Just as the holy spirit.

This verse certainly mean that
All things (his creation and plans) were ordained by the father note he didnt say all things were created through the father in this way it can be said that all things were created by the father in the sense that it was his plan but who it was the word who brought forth those things hence he is the source of creation.

It specifically said all things were made THROUGH the Father - Are u saying Father wasn't an agent of anything and that verse is a deceit ?

solite3:


New Living translation does not accurately render hebrews 2vs10 but let me play along with you.
According to you the father creating Jesus means all things were created through the father right?

Quote any other version at Hebrew 2:10, the question remains : What exactly was made through the Father ?

solite3:
Jesus is the source of God's creation Rev 3vv14.
Colossians 1vv16, says he created all things
John 1 says without him nothing can be created which was created.
This makes Jesus the source of creation and himself uncreated.
Being called the sons of God is base on relationship with the father and bearing his image. Animals are not called sons of God although they God's creation but they have not the image of God and do not have such relationship as a son to a father.
So being a Son to God is not the same as been created by him.

Are you aware every human is a Child of God by virtue of Creation ?

If every human is a son of God by virtue of creation, that demand that the Creator have sons, Did Jesus have a son ?

solite3:
The father Son relationship between the first and second person of the Holy trinity is not a biological one hence has nothing to do with age or time because God himself is timeless and ageless.

The term " son " is given to Creations !

Barristter07:


If Jesus is a creator, who are his sons ?

lie lie barrister

if Jesus is a creator? laugh

Joh 1:3  All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Col 1:16  For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 
Col 1:17  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 


you have asked these before and i have showed you
more than once
now go and look for them and read them
you hear me now, get to it

now don't go running away again for a week or so
just because you have nothing but your same repeated
dribble, continue with your dribble now

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

johnw47:



lie lie barrister

if Jesus is a creator? laugh

Joh 1:3  All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Col 1:16  For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 
Col 1:17  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 


you have asked these before and i have showed you
more than once
now go and look for them and read them
you hear me now, get to it

now don't go running away again for a week or so
just because you have nothing but your same repeated
dribble, continue with your dribble now

" through" and " Buy " means he was just an agent . this is why no one is his son.

But everyone is a son of the father, Creator

Barristter07:


" through" and " Buy " means he was just an agent . this is why no one is his son.

But everyone is a son of the father, Creator

™lie lie barrister

you say: "He was Just an agent". you false jw's are the great deniers
you have not the son, and so you have not the Father also


"For by him were all things created", means he created all things, you are so duh, how could anything be any clearer

"All things were made through him", shows Father and the Word is the creator, and john 1:1 shows that Father and the Word is God

1Jn_2:23  Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

run run run run runaway

™lie lie knows that song

Barristter07:


It specifically said all things were made THROUGH the Father - Are u saying Father wasn't an agent of anything and that verse is a deceit ?

Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

Where does hebrew say that all things were created through the father.

Barristter07:


Quote any other version at Hebrew 2:10, the question remains : What exactly was made through the Father ?

Tell me were All things created through the Father or one thing created through the Father?

Again the context of hebrews 2vv10 as well as Romans 11vv36 are regarding his plans, purpose in creation and the redemption of man.
It Demonstrates that All things were created by the Father, Son and Holy Ghost but taking different roles.

If All things were made through the father it means there was nothing like an indirect agent of creation.

The Trinity speaks of roles All three persons of the trinity can be said to have created All things.
Hence All things were created by the father, by the Son and by the Holy Ghost.

Job 26:13
By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.

Psalms 33:6
By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

You see that All things being created through the Father, Son and Holy Ghost is not a subordination but of roles in creation.

Barristter07:


Are you aware every human is a Child of God by virtue of Creation ?

If every human is a son of God by virtue of creation, that demand that the Creator have sons, Did Jesus have a son ?

@ bolded lie. The devil is the Father of sinners does that mean the devil created them?

Barristter07:


The term " son " is given to Creations !

Creations can be sons of God is they bear some of God's character but the fact that something was crated by God doesnt make it a son of God else even animals would have been sons of God.
Adam was called a son of God because he was created in God's image but no other human is called the son of God except Jesus who is the only Begotten Son of God because he possesses the complete attribute of God in all ramification making him God Almighty.
Jesus is God Almighty because he possesses the very same character that made God the Almighty.

there are not two god's like polytheist false jw's believe in
a mighty god jesus and a almighty god the father

Mighty God and Almighty God are names - titles describing the one true God:

Gen_17:1  And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty(shadday) God walk before me, and be thou perfect.

Psa 132:5  until I provide a place for the LORD, a home for the Mighty(abiyr) God of Jacob.

Maximus69:


Only begotten son simply means the one and only angel God created DIRECTLY without involving any coworker!

Sorry but begotten means to procreate, you are trying to change God's word to suit your church beliefs rather than change your church beliefs to suit or confirm to God's word.


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/beget
beget verb
be·​get | \ bi-ˈget , bē-\
begot \ bi-​ˈgät , bē-​ \ also begat \ bi-​ˈgat , bē-​\ ;
begotten \ bi-​ˈgä-​tᵊn , bē-​\ or begot ; begetting
Definition of beget
: to procreate as the father : SIRE
// He died without begetting an heir.
1
: to produce especially as an effect or outgrowth
// Violence only begets more violence.


Genesis 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. Genesis 48:6 And thy issue, which thou begettest after them, shall be thine, and shall be called after the name of their brethren in their inheritance. Deuteronomy 4:25 When thou shalt beget children, and children's children, and ye shall have remained long in the land, and shall corrupt yourselves, and make a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, and shall do evil in the sight of the LORD thy God, to provoke him to anger: Deuteronomy 28:41 Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity. 2 Kings 20:18 And of thy sons that shall issue from thee, which thou shalt beget, shall they take away; and they shall be eunuchs in the palace of the king of Babylon.