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Re: GENERAL Irish (student)visa & Work Permit-New THREAD*** by olajimii: 12:43pm On Oct 23, 2019
I don't think you need to book accommodation before applying for a study visa. I know I did not book when I applied for mine.
Chibabe4Christ:
PLEASE MAKE UNA ANSWER ME OOOOO
PLEASE HOUSE AM YET TO BOOK FOR ACCOMMODATION OOOOOOO.
I TRIED BOOKING WITH THE CREDIT CARDS THAT I HAD NOTHING AND IT WAS CANCELLED OOOO
PLEASE HOUSE I NEED YOUR ASSISTANCE OOOO
ITS URGENT OO
Re: GENERAL Irish (student)visa & Work Permit-New THREAD*** by Heimdall: 12:54pm On Oct 23, 2019
It's been a while I was on this thread. It's good to be back.

@ICASNG. Thanks for all the support! You're the real deal.

Anyone resuming in January?

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Re: GENERAL Irish (student)visa & Work Permit-New THREAD*** by CastedDude: 1:00pm On Oct 23, 2019
Please, try and book accommodation if u can.. it is important. I used a valid card which had money but nothing was taken from it till the scheduled date. Just make sure u book the hotel that has cancellation and refund policy
Chibabe4Christ:
PLEASE MAKE UNA ANSWER ME OOOOO
PLEASE HOUSE AM YET TO BOOK FOR ACCOMMODATION OOOOOOO.
I TRIED BOOKING WITH THE CREDIT CARDS THAT I HAD NOTHING AND IT WAS CANCELLED OOOO
PLEASE HOUSE I NEED YOUR ASSISTANCE OOOO
ITS URGENT OO
Re: GENERAL Irish (student)visa & Work Permit-New THREAD*** by Chikaokafor1: 1:23pm On Oct 23, 2019
Heimdall:
It's been a while I was on this thread. It's good to be back.

@ICASNG. Thanks for all the support! You're the real deal.

Anyone resuming in January?
Re: GENERAL Irish (student)visa & Work Permit-New THREAD*** by Elsy40: 1:35pm On Oct 23, 2019
Please someone should help me ooh. Do I stand a CHANCE in studying Agricultural related course in Ireland.

Pls I need insight about the courses in both UCC and UL school.
Re: GENERAL Irish (student)visa & Work Permit-New THREAD*** by Tolu1411: 3:07pm On Oct 23, 2019
Hello, please is it a problem if my company cannot provide payslips because it’s a startup? However I submitted my salary account and indicated my monthly income that’s properly narrated and I asked my employer to state my income in a reference letter. My father is actually the one sponsoring me and all his documents and payslips are intact. Please I need your responses. Thank you
Re: GENERAL Irish (student)visa & Work Permit-New THREAD*** by Heimdall: 3:19pm On Oct 23, 2019
I think you're covered. I had issues with my visa application because of my payslip but then I asked my employer to state my income and the tax I pay and the rest is history.

Tolu1411:
Hello, please is it a problem if my company cannot provide payslips because it’s a startup? However I submitted my salary account and indicated my monthly income that’s properly narrated and I asked my employer to state my income in a reference letter. My father is actually the one sponsoring me and all his documents and payslips are intact. Please I need your responses. Thank you
Re: GENERAL Irish (student)visa & Work Permit-New THREAD*** by SameeD96: 4:17pm On Oct 23, 2019
Good day everyone, I've been silently observing for a while and this is an amazing platform, really enlightening.
I got an admission to study pharmaceutical business and technology in Griffith college, dublin. Admission is for February 2020.
God willing, I'll start visa processing next week.
Just want to know if there's anybody also processing admission for that period or amybe January sef.
Thank youuu

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Re: GENERAL Irish (student)visa & Work Permit-New THREAD*** by Chibabe4Christ: 4:42pm On Oct 23, 2019
[Thanks
quote author=olajimii post=83392685]I don't think you need to book accommodation before applying for a study visa. I know I did not book when I applied for mine. [/quote]
Re: GENERAL Irish (student)visa & Work Permit-New THREAD*** by Chibabe4Christ: 4:42pm On Oct 23, 2019
Thanks so much

quote author=CastedDude post=83393160]Please, try and book accommodation if u can.. it is important. I used a valid card which had money but nothing was taken from it till the scheduled date. Just make sure u book the hotel that has cancellation and refund policy[/quote]
Re: GENERAL Irish (student)visa & Work Permit-New THREAD*** by donbreeezy(m): 12:53pm On Oct 24, 2019
Hello great people... Can anyone kindly tell me where and how to make the education bond?
Re: GENERAL Irish (student)visa & Work Permit-New THREAD*** by Louiscares: 1:02pm On Oct 24, 2019
Hello Bjrokenhear003,

I saw your post days ago but I couldn't get to comment as I had alot of catch up with and deadlines to meet,but I have about 10days break so I decided to add my little contribution.

Firstly, congratulations on your 1st class from Griffith College.

What I am going to suggest might not be applicable in Ireland as I don't know much about the system, but this worked for me in the previous country I was.

Does the visa you have allow you to work for a company as an intern without them sponsoring your visa? If yes,
you should considered applying for graduate internship in a company you love to work in and has what it takes to sponsor someone. Even if it's working for free for 1 or 2 months ( suggest working for free if they say no opening, tell them you want to learn), this experience would boost your CV,with this you can show you have got Ireland experience relevant to your field and you might be favoured at the end to be retained and become full time employee. While you do the internship, don't stop applying for jobs o.

Also, you can change your approach of applying for jobs. You can search for companies on LinkedIn especially in Ireland, connect with top personnel and chat them up, ask for potential internship or graduate roles. Even if no roles advertised on their website, they will refer your CV ,that's if they want you to send it to them. You need to sell yourself, you have a 1st class, and ACCA which is plus to any company.

Don't limit your applications to Ireland, try other countries Netherland, Switzerland,UK somewhere like Scotland ( I saw sometime ago that PWC, KPMG, Deloitte, EY, Bank of America in UK and some other places that were recruiting finance/accounting graduates) and now is the write time to apply for graduate roles as most companies are currently recruiting graduates including the oil and gas ( check Exxonmobil, shell for commercial roles, these companies will sponsor you irrespective of where you live) .

As a back up plan for you, while you apply for jobs; like other people have mentioned, is to try Canada Express entry. You are 27years old, you already have 110 points with your age. What you need to do now , apply to WES to validate your certificates,(SSCE,Bsc,Msc (it takes about 2months, depending on how fast your schools respond), then while you wait for feedback , you have to write IELTS General and try to score minimum of 7 in Listening, Writing , Reading and speaking. The higher your score, the better. You need about 12K CAD in your account to show you can survive before you get a job , apply to be in the Express entry pool. PLEASE NOTE, JOB IS NOT AUTOMATIC ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD OOO. There are people with good results like you also applying.

Like others mentioned, if you are still interested in studying, you can apply for PhD in the UK, USA Canada, Australia etc ,look for fully paid scholarship . Most phd students can work as a graduate assistant and get paid while studying .

This is the little I can contribute now, I need to run as I have lot of pending courseworks to do.

By the way, I have attached as link to a 35 pages pdf of companies with current openings in 2019/2020 with closing date, it was sent to us by my school few days ago, look through if you find anything relevant.

I tried attaching the Pdf directly here but it was larger than 250kB maximum accepted size for documents. Kindly copy and paste this link on any browser to download it. If it doesn't work, kindly send me a message to my email address above and I will forward the pdf to you directly.

https://wetransfer.com/downloads/ea7ca357fe49c7abd422ce7d13cace2020191024115032/f2c59d77be148922a4fe1c71375781c920191024115032/456e2e

The above link expires in 7 days ( 31st October 2019) and you wont be able to download the pdf again.


Goodluck.

Regards.

Louis

NB.

Please, don't take a wrong decision to marry out of frustration, desperation or depression, unless you truly love the person.











Bjrokenhear003:
hi guys

Been a long time

i am indeed tired

Finally finished my Msc Accountiung and Finance from Griffith college with a H1(First Class)

I have a job i am currently managing and if i work 5 days i make about 350euros weekly and sometimes above, its a menial job inside the cold room(-3 degrees)

When i started the job initially, i enjoyed it, but i have goals and ambition as i dont want to stay in that job for a long time

Now my issue is all the company i am applying to need stamp 4, only big four and top investment banks and firms hire stamp 1G holders. A lot of international student suffer this issue ATM. Only few courses such as computer science land jobs before finishing college.

I have applied and truthfully i am getting tired of my life because i cant see myself as a factory worker anylonger, my body is getting weak as days go on

i am only 27 years old and i have bright future ambitions set for myself In terms of savings, i am close to zero as cost of living is high, spend about 500 euros on rent, transport 80 euros and feeding both at work and home 130 monthly, lyka 15 euros.

truthfully i am tired and falling into depression little by little, its only my GF who is black dutch who brings joy to me atm. She earns triple of what i make

I am wondering if i marry her, i will get the stamp4 but am i ready with savings of 1k now, although the govt in europe care for their citizens but i am in the middle of the sea. I love her and would want to settle with her, yet i want to know her deeper before marriage., i get the stamp in 4-6 months if i do it this December.Love is sweet when the both parties are comfortable

Now the thought is, if i don't secure a good job after settling down, what is left for me. I love her so much and she is very confident in me that I will make it but i am losing confidence in myself after so many rejections from different company's. I worked as an accountant in Nigeria for 3 years, so I'm not a fresh graduate.

My father didn't make me suffer one day, i still have inherited wealth of 30k euros in treasury bills, so i wouldn't want to bring children into this world to suffer them

I am tired truthfully and confused at this stage, i need help.

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Re: GENERAL Irish (student)visa & Work Permit-New THREAD*** by Emmanuel360(m): 6:34pm On Oct 24, 2019
Someone should please answer me

My sponsor sent me his documents via email. Can I use soft copy documents as to apply for visa since I don't have the originals at hand

Please respond
Re: GENERAL Irish (student)visa & Work Permit-New THREAD*** by Sholsp: 6:59pm On Oct 24, 2019
@Emmanuel360, there is no harm in that.it can be used.
Emmanuel360:
Someone should please answer me

My sponsor sent me his documents via email. Can I use soft copy documents as to apply for visa since I don't have the originals at hand

Please respond
Re: GENERAL Irish (student)visa & Work Permit-New THREAD*** by Bleuocean: 7:17pm On Oct 24, 2019
Please guy how much tuition deposit does Irish Universities ask you to pay after getting admission?

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Re: GENERAL Irish (student)visa & Work Permit-New THREAD*** by donbreeezy(m): 9:39pm On Oct 24, 2019
Hello great people... Can anyone kindly tell me where and how to make the education bond? Please
Re: GENERAL Irish (student)visa & Work Permit-New THREAD*** by Jola17: 11:12pm On Oct 24, 2019
Bleuocean:
Please guy how much tuition deposit does Irish Universities ask you to pay after getting admission?
Depends on the University's policy...some require full tuition
Re: GENERAL Irish (student)visa & Work Permit-New THREAD*** by Segunagagu(m): 12:14am On Oct 25, 2019
Bjrokenhear003:


GBAM U SAID IT WELL
its God favour and smart work
"let's make our nation great again"

RANKING DEPENDS ON THE COUNTRY YOU DOMICILE, EXAMPLE OF IRISH RANKINGS ON JOB APPLICATIONS CONSIDERATIONS INCLUDE :
1. IRISH RESIDENT
2. EU CITIZENS
3. EASTERN EUROPEAN
4. AMERICANS
5. INDIANS/CHINESE
6. AFRICANS

Despite the fact that some EU countries don't speak fluent English yet they get the job.

Why they find it difficult to hire these graduates from NO 4 -6 is because they have certain conditions they need to meet, else they can't hire you and most of the employment contracts are for 2-3 years, so if your 2 years Stamp 1G expires, they have no other excuse than to sponsor you

The conditions these companies need to meet are very tight and only top investment firms, Accounting Organizations(Pwc, KPMG etc) and blue-chip high tech organizations meet these conditions due to their capital structure and influences, these include but arent limited to the below points :

1. They have to prove to the Immigration officer that no Irish or EU individual can occupy that role
2. They have to keep that position vacant for the next 12 weeks
3. They have to carry out different advertising campaigns such as advert in newspapers, facebook, Instagram, indeed, radio and tv stations etc
4. They will have to pay close to 1000 euros for your critical work visa permit
5. They have to provide Garda vetting which takes about 2-3 weeks to show your criminal record

In order for you to get a job in the top organizations listed above comes the toughest challenge as there are hundreds of people competing with you to get that role. Now you have to score at least 2.1 and above 400 points in your SSCE when converted to Irish standard, Some companies emphasize that you need to score Grade A or B in Maths or English ( An example is a screenshot added to this post)

After meeting the requirements, you need to take an aptitude test which is extremely hard, the point of this is to reduce applicant to the barest minimum. I passed 2 and failed 3 test. Literally you will need to buy practice kit to prepare for them.

TELL ME THE SMALL AND MEDIUM FIRM CAN WAIT FOR 12 WEEKS TO FILL A POSITION when they can get an EU or a stamp4 holder as soon as possible and this hindrance forces many people to do the otherwise

Lastly, no agent or school can tell you all I said, they just want their commission and your fees. If you coming, just know what you want to enter, I'm not saying this to discourage anyone but at least someone should let people know the truth not false advertising campaign and promises from these colleges.

It's a war zone. reminds me of the song by sean Kingston ft lil Wayne(at war)

Read more on STAMPS
https://www.dublininquirer.com/2018/05/02/although-keen-to-work-some-find-dublin-employers-won-t-accept-their-documents
Bro congratulations on your first class ooo... please can I pm you?
Re: GENERAL Irish (student)visa & Work Permit-New THREAD*** by phychem: 6:14am On Oct 25, 2019
Emmanuel360:
Someone should please answer me

My sponsor sent me his documents via email. Can I use soft copy documents as to apply for visa since I don't have the originals at hand

Please respond


No. You must submit originals and photocopies of all documents.
Re: GENERAL Irish (student)visa & Work Permit-New THREAD*** by Ajibolaoi: 12:56pm On Oct 25, 2019
Good Day sir,
My name is Ajibola Olatunji. I am also interested in the proceedure, my wife is also a Nurse(RN,RM and BSc). Please sir, i will need ur help to guide on the proceedure u and ur wife follow.


Thanks in anticipation.
Regards.

]Hello Everyone.

I have been a silent reader on this forum. Most of the posts I see here are for study visas. Actually my wife is a nurse and got an employment with one of the biggest private hospital in Ireland after obtaining her nursing PIN. The hospital got her a critical skills employment permit which enables her to apply for visa with her family immediately, which we did on the 24th of July 2019. My wife's application was for employment while that of me and our four kids were for join family. My wife's visa has been issued and she traveled to Dublin to resume work but the embassy is yet to release ours. They said the application is undergoing some checks and next four days makes it 3 months whereas they said visa application will take about 8 weeks. Our application is being processed at Abuja Embassy. [/quote]
Re: GENERAL Irish (student)visa & Work Permit-New THREAD*** by olajimii: 9:08pm On Oct 26, 2019
You need to submit originals of all documents. It's boldly written on their website. You'll submit originals and two photocopies each. The originals will be returned to you once a decision is made on your application.
Emmanuel360:
Someone should please answer me

My sponsor sent me his documents via email. Can I use soft copy documents as to apply for visa since I don't have the originals at hand

Please respond
Re: GENERAL Irish (student)visa & Work Permit-New THREAD*** by lilshon(m): 1:42am On Oct 27, 2019
Louiscares:
Hello Bjrokenhear003,

I saw your post days ago but I couldn't get to comment as I had alot of catch up with and deadlines to meet,but I have about 10days break so I decided to add my little contribution.

Firstly, congratulations on your 1st class from Griffith College.

What I am going to suggest might not be applicable in Ireland as I don't know much about the system, but this worked for me in the previous country I was.

Does the visa you have allow you to work for a company as an intern without them sponsoring your visa? If yes,
you should considered applying for graduate internship in a company you love to work in and has what it takes to sponsor someone. Even if it's working for free for 1 or 2 months ( suggest working for free if they say no opening, tell them you want to learn), this experience would boost your CV,with this you can show you have got Ireland experience relevant to your field and you might be favoured at the end to be retained and become full time employee. While you do the internship, don't stop applying for jobs o.

Also, you can change your approach of applying for jobs. You can search for companies on LinkedIn especially in Ireland, connect with top personnel and chat them up, ask for potential internship or graduate roles. Even if no roles advertised on their website, they will refer your CV ,that's if they want you to send it to them. You need to sell yourself, you have a 1st class, and ACCA which is plus to any company.

Don't limit your applications to Ireland, try other countries Netherland, Switzerland,UK somewhere like Scotland ( I saw sometime ago that PWC, KPMG, Deloitte, EY, Bank of America in UK and some other places that were recruiting finance/accounting graduates) and now is the write time to apply for graduate roles as most companies are currently recruiting graduates including the oil and gas ( check Exxonmobil, shell for commercial roles, these companies will sponsor you irrespective of where you live) .

As a back up plan for you, while you apply for jobs; like other people have mentioned, is to try Canada Express entry. You are 27years old, you already have 110 points with your age. What you need to do now , apply to WES to validate your certificates,(SSCE,Bsc,Msc (it takes about 2months, depending on how fast your schools respond), then while you wait for feedback , you have to write IELTS General and try to score minimum of 7 in Listening, Writing , Reading and speaking. The higher your score, the better. You need about 12K CAD in your account to show you can survive before you get a job , apply to be in the Express entry pool. PLEASE NOTE, JOB IS NOT AUTOMATIC ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD OOO. There are people with good results like you also applying.

Like others mentioned, if you are still interested in studying, you can apply for PhD in the UK, USA Canada, Australia etc ,look for fully paid scholarship . Most phd students can work as a graduate assistant and get paid while studying .

This is the little I can contribute now, I need to run as I have lot of pending courseworks to do.

By the way, I have attached as link to a 35 pages pdf of companies with current openings in 2019/2020 with closing date, it was sent to us by my school few days ago, look through if you find anything relevant.

I tried attaching the Pdf directly here but it was larger than 250kB maximum accepted size for documents. Kindly copy and paste this link on any browser to download it. If it doesn't work, kindly send me a message to my email address above and I will forward the pdf to you directly.

https://wetransfer.com/downloads/ea7ca357fe49c7abd422ce7d13cace2020191024115032/f2c59d77be148922a4fe1c71375781c920191024115032/456e2e

The above link expires in 7 days ( 31st October 2019) and you wont be able to download the pdf again.


Goodluck.

Regards.

Louis

NB.

Please, don't take a wrong decision to marry out of frustration, desperation or depression, unless you truly love the person.




@Bjrokenhear003

Totally agree. Graduate internship is a good way to go. Also i feel like your University/college could have done more to prepare you for the world out there. In just 2 months here, AIT arranged 2 career fairs for students, one in Dublin and on school premises.

We had the opportunity to engage with representatives from different companies and discuss about future openings and how to apply for them when they open.

We've also had series of seminars on how to prepare for interviews and other interesting tips.

See, las las, information is key, don't lose hope.

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Re: GENERAL Irish (student)visa & Work Permit-New THREAD*** by niyogeol(m): 1:51pm On Oct 27, 2019
Hello guys,

I have been away from here for a while due to some reasons. A few people sent me private messages during this period, which I tried as much to reply to. Although some people didn't like the response they got. Some want to be spoon fed even when I have answered their questions in my previous posts. That wasn't encouraging for me. Because the reason I wrote the comprehensive post of settling in for students is to avail people of the information without much contact. To the owner of this thread, I will suggest you ask moderators to put my posts on settling in as pinned post on the first page of this thread - that way, it would be easy for people to see it. That is by the way.

To the crux of this post - having followed this thread for some time, and a contributor to it at some point, I can make bold to say that I understand the plight or sentiment people share about getting a graduate job in Ireland. If the word of Wole Soyinka stands that "it is better to heed marital advice from a polygamous man than taking such from a chronic bachelor" then I think my take on this is different and could further put things in perspective. Why am I saying this? I have read a couple of admonishments to the accountant guy who made a First Class from Griffiths College. Why most of those advice could be said to come in good faith, they don't speak to the reality of the Irish situation.

Bjrokenhear003, I believe you will see this. Congratulations on your excellent feat of bagging a First. It shows you were dedicated to your studies while it last. Beyond the euphoria of the First, I believe reality of the times are already making you think of the unusual. It can be crazy after such feat that you are still struggling to cut your teeth in the Irish corporate world where you still have to do unskilled job for survival. It is the harsh reality and believe me, you are not in it alone. People have been through it and still going through it. It is a phase and it will surely pass. After every storm, there is always a silver lining. Keep your head up and don't lose sight on your goals.

Time is what it takes to heal wound as they say, so I have no doubt that you will get something in no time. But while hoping for the break, you need to make yourself happy. And stay away from your present work when you think your mood doesn't fancy it. And when you choose to do it, let the cash be your motivation. Since there is no prospect in such unskilled job, one is in it for the money. No doubt about that. So you need to save up from what you do presently. It is very important as you need cash to make plans for whatever options you have in mind. While at this, desist from people who don't understand happenings and always asking you where you work now or what you do. You need your head sane at this stage hence no room for negative vibe or energy. At your age, you are still in your prime, a time to explore, set goals, dream and achieve dreams. So don't be perturbed by this temporary phase.

Your case is different I must tell you. Your course of study is a popular one and one that is in high demand. So it is a game of number ahead of you. Make it an habit to apply for jobs daily. At least five openings a day. Because you can't tell where the breakthrough will come from. The more interviews you get, the higher and closer you are to getting an offer. You could also ask someone else to review your CV for you. Have a great presence on LinkedIn. Attend career fairs. But in my own opinion, the Internet is still the place to get it done. Your religious beliefs shouldn't be left out too, as there is much emphasis to that in our part of the world. So be guided accordingly.

In all of this, make your plans "SMART" I believe you must have heard that before. Of the "smart" I will implore you to dwell more on the "T" which is time. Goodluck in your pursuit. I wish you the very best.

I am routing for you and I look forward to hearing your testimony in no time. Cheers.

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Re: GENERAL Irish (student)visa & Work Permit-New THREAD*** by Successapa: 9:10am On Oct 28, 2019
Hello everyone
My passport expires July 2020. I’m in the process of renewing it but, it’s taking time. Can I apply for January session visa with the old passport?
Re: GENERAL Irish (student)visa & Work Permit-New THREAD*** by Femi0078: 9:34am On Oct 28, 2019
Hi please I have been a silent reader on this platform. I’m confused why some company doesn’t want to employ some of you because they will sponsor your visas?? I heard Ireland gives PR to Graduate students after 2 years? So why are you all not applying for that and then use it to work anywhere in Ireland? I’m just confused

Please enlighten me
Re: GENERAL Irish (student)visa & Work Permit-New THREAD*** by abuhusna1: 9:42am On Oct 28, 2019
Femi0078:
Hi please I have been a silent reader on this platform. I’m confused why some company doesn’t want to employ some of you because they will sponsor your visas?? I heard Ireland gives PR to Graduate students after 2 years? So why are you all not applying for that and then use it to work anywhere in Ireland? I’m just confused

Please enlighten me
PR ke. If you know the way please tell us or if you know person wey don do am share it so we can get pr too. Thank u as u share
Re: GENERAL Irish (student)visa & Work Permit-New THREAD*** by donbreeezy(m): 8:29pm On Oct 28, 2019
Hello... Can anyone kindly tell me where and how to make the education bond? Please
Re: GENERAL Irish (student)visa & Work Permit-New THREAD*** by Yemiiee: 11:18pm On Oct 28, 2019
Does anyone have any news on those that sent in appeals last week in September cause it’s over a month now that I and some other folks sent in supporting documents for our appeals but no response, I don’t understand what’s going on. Anyone here with a similar experience
Re: GENERAL Irish (student)visa & Work Permit-New THREAD*** by Heimdall: 7:38am On Oct 29, 2019
If you're in Abuja, I would suggest you stop by at the embassy. I had this issue with my visa also. I submitted my appeal on the 18th of July and I didn't get any call till the 3rd of October. Apparently, my visa was ready since the 27th of August but, according to them, they couldn't reach me (which is impossible cause I kept calling them and sending emails) and that I should have come to the embassy when I didn't hear from them after a month.

All the best with your appeal.

Yemiiee:
Does anyone have any news on those that sent in appeals last week in September cause it’s over a month now that I and some other folks sent in supporting documents for our appeals but no response, I don’t understand what’s going on. Anyone here with a similar experience

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