Dimples0303:


I guess we're on the same page! #teamredpill

Women don't submit and men put your wallets back in your pocket and let's keep it moving

.. las las,na Una go still destroy dis world. The one Una do for garden of Eden never do Una abi? Make Una kontinue. Na hia I dey.

Dimples0303:


I guess we're on the same page! #teamredpill

Women don't submit and men put your wallets back in your pocket and let's keep it moving

oh, now i know ,una nor dey tire or deal hide under female monikers? Lol i know one currently running around like that too.

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Ladyhippolyta88:

I agree but OP feels it is caused by feminsm which I tried to clear.
It may not be fair even to me that she is bringing feminism into it but she made some points which are some people's reality. But then I agree it is also a relationship stuff between couples with more or less to do with feminism.

You're right...

You've changed a lot sis... It's nice to see you grow and mature. I don't know if you remember me but I always see you on these threads and your responses are so different from our amazon warrior

It's beautiful to witness

Ladycewhy:
which is why i said you need to comprehend and stop ranting ,you just confirmed my assertion that you are frustrated about something and going all out like a wounded lion. All you did was regurgitate the same thing.

I am not here to go back and forth with you in whatever world you have created for yourself, if you want to keep regurgitating ,i will leave you to it and respond to people who are more on the side of logic to allow for an engaging conversation.


But let me just say this, there are many unwritten rules of society, but you wouldn't know that now would you? now i am not against women making their own money ,infact i encourage it,but if a woman must share financial burden ,the man must also share from other forms of house chores its that simple,atleast western men dont have a problem with that .


How Do I Understand/satisfy My Husband?

I saw this thread this morning and it dawned on me that the self esteem of men is only tied to being able to provide, they see it as a tool for control and manipulation instead of for fulfilment and opportunity. Take this away from a man and they feel worthless and their self esteem flies out the window.which is why women need financial freedom not so they can be equal to men but to be free from the control and manipulation of men. Its not so you can help him offload his financial responsiblity as a woman but to empower yourself. Hence "women empowerment".


In this current century ,women still give birth and take care of homes and their children so i don't even see the comparism between now and our mothers of the old,infact women now have more duties when it comes to kids with perverts running around and the dark side of technology etc. The only thing i see that is different is the level of freedom which you seem to be bitter about hence this your comment

us to be the provider men of the past while women are free to not be women of the past. Women of the past were more useful to their husbands: they gave birth, took care of the children, accepted the man was the head of the house, listened to their husbands' commands and rules (the husband's authority was finally), consistently and without fail did the chores of cooking, cleaning, and tidying, respected their husbands, gave sex whenever the man wanted etc. all these in return for the man being the provider.

Which brings me back to the issue of control and manipulation which the woman must strive to be free from for her own good not so she can be equal .Our mothers endured alot in the past not because they were happy but they had no choice infact in my culture leaving your husband's house was a taboo. So these men knew their wives were going nowhere so they did whatever they liked cos the tradition was all in their favour. Your choice of word like "commands and rules" is a justification that truly women of old adapted patience as means of survival and not because they liked it .

Martinez39 is a redpiller and an incel. Arguing with him will only be to your demerit as he will bring you to his level and beat you with experience.

Ladycewhy:
Exactly what the women empowerment movement was all about, to create a support system for women be self sufficient and not be controlled by "rules and instructions " from their husbands according to Martinez39 . But seems women now think the only way to earn respect is to offset the bill so they can share in the power ,which i think its a dead end .

I never said women should be controlled by "rules and instructions" from their husbands. I only typed that if men are supposed to provide because it is how men did it in the past then women must become women of the past. If you think women should not be like women of the past then men should not be like men of the past.

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Dimples0303:
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You're right...

You've changed a lot sis... It's nice to see you grow and mature. I don't know if you remember me but I always see you on these threads and your responses are so different from our amazon warrior

It's beautiful to witness

I don't think I remember you(it's a faceless forum)
Thank you very much
I learn, unlearn and relearn so I grow and learn everyday.
Thank you.

Ladyhippolyta88:

It may be a dead end to you.
But money is power .
To have power you need money and humans not just women love that.
Who plays the piper dictates the tune that is why some men are intimidated by financially capable women.

I see your point. Thanks for sharing

Exactly, empowerment should be for liberation from control for ones self not to prove a point.

@bolded,exactly, empower yourself as a woman for yourself alone to be able to have a ground to stand on.

Martinez39:
I never said women should be controlled by "rules and instructions" from their husbands. I only typed that if men are supposed to provide because it is how men did it in the past then women must become women of the past. If you think women should not be like women of the past then men should not be like men of the past.

. Apt. Full stop.

Dimples0303:


Sis... I'm a woman. I just have an open mind and I like to reason with reasonable people. If you don't understand what he was putting across to you then I understood him and I agreed with him.

but you failed to understand my point and started making assumptions in your head from your closed mind i guess.

Ladycewhy:
Exactly, empowerment should be for liberation from control for ones self not to prove a point.

@bolded,exactly, empower yourself as a woman for yourself alone to be able to have a ground to stand on.

Preach on.
Life nor be competition with anybody.

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Ladyhippolyta88:


I don't think I remember you(it's a faceless forum)
Thank you very much
I learn, unlearn and relearn so I grow and learn everyday.
Thank you.

It's not faceless

JONNYSPUTE:
. Apt. Full stop.

Don't mind all these women. They think they are suffering or victims of some kind. They think they are at a disadvantage. Women wanted equality (in rights and opportunities) and the freedom of not being restricted by any gender role. Now have all these and they are still complaining. They think it is sexist for men to define gender roles but it isn't sexist when they run their mouths on how men are supposed to provide and how providing makes a man a man. They want equality but not responsibility and accountability. Op wants men to provide and women to be care takers. Funny enough the care taker role would just be to look after the children. Nothing additional, like that of women of the past, to truly recompense for the money spent by the man on his household.

Martinez39:
I never said women should be controlled by "rules and instructions" from their husbands. I only typed that if men are supposed to provide because it is how men did it in the past then women must become women of the past. If you think women should not be like women of the past then men should not be like men of the past.

you describe what men of the past made women do ,in your words

Women of the past were more useful to their husbands: they gave birth, took care of the children, accepted the man was the head of the house, listened to their husbands' commands and rules (the husband's authority was final), consistently and without fail did the chores of cooking, cleaning, and tidying, respected their husbands, gave sex whenever the man wanted etc. all these in return for the man being the provider.

I never said woman today should be like women of the past ,heck i wouldn't want to live the life my grandma lived,i am saying this for women to wake up, women empowerment is supposed to liberate women from the manipulation and control men have attached to money, it is not for women to use it as a bargaining tool to earn respect. Many women have made to think they can only be respected and have a seat at the table and no longer be seen a an enslaved wife if she joins the man to offset the bill while still maintaining the other roles without the man having to help out . The is where women keep shooting themselves in the foot.

Retracted

Ladyhippolyta88:


Preach on.
Life nor be competition with anybody.

I think its time for divorce settlement to be reviewed , dont you think? If we go we should go in we must go all in.

Dead thread

Martinez39:
Don't mind all these women. They think they are suffering or victims of some kind. They think they are at a disadvantage. Women wanted equality (in rights and opportunities) and the freedom of not being restricted by any gender role. Now have all these and they are still complaining. They think it is sexist for men to define gender roles but it isn't sexist when they run their mouths on how men are supposed to provide and how providing makes a man a man. They want equality but not responsibility and accountability. Op wants men to provide and women to be care takers. Funny enough the care taker role would just be to look after the children. Nothing additional, like that of women of the past, to truly recompense for the money spent by the man on his household.

i think you have low understanding ,there is no where i said what you just said,or is my English that hard, the clamour here is for men to be more domesticated, if you work ,he works ,he should not come home to lift his feet up. I hope you get the picture now?

Dimples0303:


To each his own. I put a question mark there because like I said I don't understand your point.
I asked questions (?) I was trying to understand your issues and I still don't get it. In breath you say feminism is needed for xyz and in the same breath you say its chasing shadows.

I'm done sis.. I'm sorry if I stressed you out in anyway. Take care

Sorry i dont have issues ,if you do,that is your problem and maybe the stress part is your reality ,seems you like cooking up things in your head alot .

If you dont understand ,its OK some days the memory can be slow like that atleast some other persons did,so i can understand, read my other replies ,it might give you insight.

Martinez39:
Feminists are not taking on any responsibilities, they are a egoistic, hypocritical, and toxic bunch. Now listen carefully, the provider men of the past are different from men of today, same with the women. The provider men of the past and women of the past had genders roles that were respected and women knew their place. These women were demanded to fulfil certain roles and they had no equal rights and opportunities as men. We men will only become sole providers when you all revert back to being women of the past.

You can't expect us to be the provider men of the past while women are free to not be women of the past. Women of the past were more useful to their husbands: they gave birth, took care of the children, accepted the man was the head of the house, listened to their husbands' commands and rules (the husband's authority was final), consistently and without fail did the chores of cooking, cleaning, and tidying, respected their husbands, gave sex whenever the man wanted etc. all these in return for the man being the provider. So you see, in the past both were useful to themselves. I ask, can a modern woman do all these? NO! You want men to be the provider but can you and your fellow feminists, even women in general, do all these? NO!

The modern woman, in her bloated feminist ego, can't do all these. Why then should we be asked to provide? Let me give you some hard truth:
1) It's not written anyway that men are supposed to provide for women's needs.
2) Men don't owe women their money. If women need money, let them go and find work.
3) Men have the right to withhold their cash. It is no crime or sin and it is their right.
4) It is not a crime or sin if a woman is expected to provide. Prove me wrong using sound reasoning instead of the usual rhetoric or shaming. You all what equality, you shall then put your money where your mouths are.

The provider male role is not natural. Just like mathematical concepts, men defined that role and it's not incumbent on them to fulfil such responsibility. I hope men wake up by realising these facts and act on them so that they can tame the entitlement, hypocrisy, and irrationality of ladies. We cannot have it screamed into our faces that women are equal yet we are somehow expected to provide. Put your money where your mouth is.


Ubunja, emmaodet, AstroG, Omar09, JONNYSPUTE, CAPSLOCKED, healthserve.

If humans are Android Apps downloadable on phones, women apps would have been deleted along time ago because it will be virtually useless and a burden.
Now let us observe the male app from centuries ago up till now, if you are regularly updating your app to add latest features we will something like this for men -
Upgrading from staying in your family house to one room face you i slap you, to flat to having your own building, add car to the modern request, well furnished apartment and all this while adding more values and values to yourself so as to make your user (woman) more comfortable.
Now let us look the woman app from our grandmother era - cooking, house chores, respect, faithful, sexual satisfaction, low budget and maintenance etc
Imagine updating your woman app and what you are left with despite monthly subscription - No more faithfulness, no more respect, house chores and cooking out, very very high maintenance app to the user.
Then you start wondering if the app is getting better or worse and you don't really see a reason for having such a app on your phone again.
That is what is happening now for the rise of mgtow and guys aviiding marriage because the women app is becoming useless for every updating and upgrading they go through

emmaodet:


If humans are Android Apps downloadable on phones, women apps would have been deleted along time ago because it will be virtually useless and a burden.
Now let us observe the male app from centuries ago up till now, if you are regularly updating your app to add latest features we will something like this for men -
Upgrading from staying in your family house to one room face you i slap you, to flat to having your own building, add car to the modern request, well furnished apartment and all this while adding more values and values to yourself so as to make your user (woman) more comfortable.
Now let us look the woman app from our grandmother era - cooking, house chores, respect, faithful, sexual satisfaction, low budget and maintenance etc
Imagine updating your woman app and what you are left with despite monthly subscription - No more faithfulness, no more respect, house chores and cooking out, very very high maintenance app to the user.
Then you start wondering if the app is getting better or worse and you don't really see a reason for having such a app on your phone again.
That is what is happening now for the rise of mgtow and guys aviiding marriage because the women app is becoming useless for every updating and upgrading they go through

change your circle, there are women out there way above your tax bracket ,view through the window not the peep hole in your wall. Lol not be only app na software.lol .

And no one is forcing you to marry, last time i checked it is legal to drill asses in some countries and there are many closet people drilling asses here to, you do that and let those who are ready do the needful marry after all many are still getting married every Saturday.

Dimples0303:


It's not faceless

If only I could know who I am talking to

Ladycewhy:
I think its time for divorce settlement to be reviewed , dont you think? If we go we should go in we must go all in.

Do we even have workable divorce laws to begin with
That need to be reviewed other than 5000 monthly allowance for the kids.

Ladycewhy:
you describe what men of the past made women do ,in your words

Women of the past were more useful to their husbands: they gave birth, took care of the children, accepted the man was the head of the house, listened to their husbands' commands and rules (the husband's authority was final), consistently and without fail did the chores of cooking, cleaning, and tidying, respected their husbands, gave sex whenever the man wanted etc. all these in return for the man being the provider.

Lol. I never said men made women do such. Lies and misrepresentation are hallmark of those whose arguments lack substance. Men and women had roles that were accepted. Both genders had responsibilities which if they didn't keep they faced certain consequences. A man who couldn't provide could hardly get married while a woman that could play these roles was shunned. Don't act like women are the only ones with some burden placed on them by men.

I never said woman today should be like women of the past ,heck i wouldn't want to live the life my grandma lives, i am saying this for women to wake up, women empowerment is supposed to liberate women from the manipulation and control men have attached to money, it is not for women to use it as a bargaining tool to earn respect. Many women have made to think they can only be respected and have a seat at the anal and no longer be seen a an enslaved wife if she joins the mad to offset the bill while still maintaining the other roles without the man having to help out . The is where women keep shooting themselves in the foot.

You arguments presupposes that men are manipulative and controlling because they have money. No woman, even feminists, would pay part of the bills and do the chores alone. You are living in an alternate universe. You lie when you say women pay part of the bills and do the chores alone. In fact, it happens that women are provided for and they might don't do the chores for whatever reason (either because "it's too stressful looking after the kids", "she is not his slave and he should get a house help" etc). Most women, even feminists, run to provider men for marriage and bills, so i don't know what you are talking about.

Some of what you are saying are detached from reality. Women are the ones that think that being a career woman is more prestigious than being a housewife, women thought this up themselves. Women also taught that they are equal to men. Even at that, men still have it thrown at them that are supposed to provide and no one baits an eye a woman marries a provider male even if she is a feminist. Feminists are hypocrites and the problems you are ranting about are nonexistent. Women are not taking double responsibilities. You are under a misapprehension.

Women are already empowered. They have rights and opportunities. Nothing is stopping them from making money so all these talks of women empowerment is crazy and unwarranted.

Ladyhippolyta88:

If only I could know who I am talking to



Do we even have workable divorce laws to begin with
That need to be reviewed other than 5000 monthly allowance for the kids.

lol,this is what i was saying when i said feminism was chasing shadows instead of using the empowerment for liberation.hopefully we will get there.

Dimples0303:


It's not faceless

From the username and profile pic.
It is either you are guest007 or dimples129

Ladycewhy:
lol,this is what i was saying when i said feminism was chasing shadows instead of using the empowerment for liberation.hopefully we will get there.

Hmm I see your point

Ladyhippolyta88:


Preach on.
Life nor be competition with anybody.

.. Agreed.Reason I don't argue much especially on the issue of feminism.

JONNYSPUTE:
.. Agreed.Reason I don't argue much especially on the issue of feminism.

We agree on something today

Ladycewhy:
lol,this is what i was saying when i said feminism was chasing shadows instead of using the empowerment for liberation.hopefully we will get there.

.. Agreed. Women should start paying us alimony after divorce. Wonderful.

Ladyhippolyta88:

We agree on something today

.. Yes.I will always agree with the truth not minding who said it.

emmaodet:


If humans are Android Apps downloadable on phones, women apps would have been deleted along time ago because it will be virtually useless and a burden.
Now let us observe the male app from centuries ago up till now, if you are regularly updating your app to add latest features we will something like this for men -
Upgrading from staying in your family house to one room face you i slap you, to flat to having your own building, add car to the modern request, well furnished apartment and all this while adding more values and values to yourself so as to make your user (woman) more comfortable.
Now let us look the woman app from our grandmother era - cooking, house chores, respect, faithful, sexual satisfaction, low budget and maintenance etc
Imagine updating your woman app and what you are left with despite monthly subscription - No more faithfulness, no more respect, house chores and cooking out, very very high maintenance app to the user.
Then you start wondering if the app is getting better or worse and you don't really see a reason for having such a app on your phone again.
That is what is happening now for the rise of mgtow and guys aviiding marriage because the women app is becoming useless for every updating and upgrading they go through

Exactly! They still want you to be the provider while they can do whatever they want. Women these days are lazily hiding behind the "looking after a child is more difficult, help in the house chores too even though you are providing" nonsense. Some won't even do the chores because "they are not your slave".

The op's argument is based on the falsity that women are taking doubles responsibilities and men are having it relatively easier. I am yet to see feminists that share the bills and do the chores alone. The situations in my first paragraph are usually the cases today. Men are still providing but are getting less from women and enduring.