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Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by mrollyB: 12:55pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
Acehart: What happens when he said he was not sent to anybody, but to the lost sheep of israel. The Jews that he was as well. If he can say that by himself what else. |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by healthserve(m): 12:56pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
themonk: When people don't read/learn they don't improve/awaken and become stuck in a lot of misconceptions. Enjoy your ignorance my dear |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by mrollyB: 1:04pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
englishmart:Brother there is God, the only thing that is questionable is that word religion. I have alot of questions,research and facts that I will need to open a thread for in both two major religion Islam and Christianity. The formulation of Christianity alone and alot of people who died before they could agree on the same thing on different topic is alarming. Lots and lots of Gospels were removed from the Bible that is why is not complete till today. How many disciples does Jesus have. How many of them are in the Bible gospel. Mark luke John Peter and Mathew . How many accounts of event correspond to each other. How many years was Christianity founded after Jesus Christ. Where was it formed. This and lots will be discussed. |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by DeepSight(m): 1:05pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
Roycemadeit: Please don't be cryptic. I would appreciate clarity. As it is I can't tell if this is sarcasm or a cryptic suggestion or seriousness or just a joke. |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by pressplay411(m): 1:07pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
PrecisionFx: How are you sure? Cos you don't know the names of your ancestors.lol |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by themonk(m): 1:14pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
midnighter: On a normal day I would not respond to this because it does not directly answer any questions I posed. It just beats around the bush and gets to nothing. I am not jumping to conclusion. I have read the Bible severally and God directly instructed a particular tribe to go to war against another tribe repeatedly and even gave them power to kill other tribes. I am going to ask you direct questions now. Did God enable humans to kill each other? Is this character consistent with someone who is loving? You say slavery was different back then. I actually did a bit of research to see if maybe slavery meant a maid or something but no. Slavery is the act of acquiring your fellow human being as property, here is a Wikipedia link that talks about it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_slavery Direct questions would be: Did God enable humans to own each other as property? Does this exemplify someone who is just? God could have just told Abraham to free all his slaves and that would save people from a lot of pain and show his just behavior. The summary of this whole thing is that the God of the Bible cannot be trusted to do what is right and if there is an esoteric knowledge that explains how this things are just please let me know. You keep talking about “context” and “guidance”, various versions of Christians have interpreted these contexts differently over time. None of Early Christian writers ever said that stars falling down from the sky into the earth as was said in revelation was figurative. But when science discovered that those stars are are so so bigger than earth they changed the narrative to these stars means the great men of earth or another version would say the fallen angels. There is no consensus among bible scholars and christian denominations about meaning of these things so I will say they are either under different holyspirits(which is supposed to interpret the Bible) or the Bible is literal in which case it is junk. Please I need you to explain or justify a God enabling or encouraging slavery and tribal wars. Show me how these things are justified or point me to a place I can read about it. Please only point me to materials by sane authors. 3 Likes |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by DeepSight(m): 1:15pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
midnighter: The world is a terrible place. Sure, you can see beauty here and there, but the overwhelming experience of it is horrifying. Whilst some tend to insist that all the evil or negative experience in the world is a consequence of human excess, this is neither true nor sustainable. Natural disasters, diesease, and the very spectre of our mortality speak enough to this point. Some also insist that we have a pre existence and chose to come here. Whilst this is possible, I am not sure it is something that can be asserted with proof. What we are left with is the scenario where we suddenly find ourselves in this world with no prior memory simply dumped into what is for all purposes a cesspif of misery. No matter how beautiful you might imagine life to be, aside from the fact that it is pitifully ugly and cruel for other people who form the majority, there is always the spectre of death awaiting us all. Again I know some people insist that there is an after life, but again, who knows this as a fact? Consequently my question is what right does any creator have to put conscious beings through such misery and for what purpose in which they don't have a say? For me the defense of God's sovereignty is not sufficient because you are speaking of conscious beings here. If the only defense is God's sovereignty, then in the immortal words of Christopher Hitchens, why would we applaud a celestial dictatorship? A celestial North Korea? 2 Likes |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by themonk(m): 1:17pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
healthserve: Sorry bro but you are not ok. You are the one who doesn’t read because if you read you will know I’m not an atheist. If you read and comprehended what you quoted you would not have responded in that manner. Why I didn’t bother talking much with you is your type do not read and comprehend so anything I write will be a waste of my time. Enjoy your junk knowledge my dear. 4 Likes |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by healthserve(m): 1:38pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
DeepSight: Another misguided fellow on the loose. Trust me if God comes down every moment to fix each humans errors, God will never sit down and would even die from exhaustion and the whole creation him. Even Newton theoriticized action and effects are directly proportional Let's let God be please. Its the devil that damaged the world not God. And God isn't to be blamed for creating us all. Show some respect As a man who's company had crashed with lots of money lost, I knew my wrongs and improved on them. I didn't look up to blame God. The next time you hit a rock examine all your actions before then. Perhaps you'll notice God wasn't /isn't responsible for mankind problems and shouldn't be carrying a mopstick behind us slaving behind dealing with our messes. |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by healthserve(m): 1:53pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
themonk: Read your first response to me. And do the needful. Again your ignorance/atheism doesn't bother moi. I only printed out your errors to avoid misguiding confused ones coming behind.. |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by k4kenny(f): 1:55pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
themonk: Scientists have opined that the concept of creation, of being came as a result of the big bang. What force that caused this cannot subject to it's effect. So God is the Creator that is not created.. Who created the multiverse? He's Rabbil alameen ( Lord of the Worlds) Anyone that says that their God created the universe should come forward with substantive proof. Besides the big bang described in the Qur'an, the Qur'an also mentions how mountains are like stakes to stabilise the Earth, how iron was sent down, how the moon is a reflective light and many more. These were revealed centuries before science discovered these facts. Note the the Qur'an is not a book of science. . No, I'll never tell anyone that all religions have the same God. I've studied the concept of God in most religions, honestly none makes much sense except Islam. I'm not saying this cos I'm Muslim. I wasn't even raised Muslim. Read the book :The bible, the Qur'an and science by French scientist Dr. Maurice Bucaille, where he compared both books from a scientific perspective. |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Nobody: 1:55pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
pressplay411: Nope, I know the names of my ancestors. u have used white people to replace ur ancestors, good luck with that. How are u sure that those 2 white people are ur ancestors? |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by healthserve(m): 1:56pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
PrecisionFx: Just the man I'm looking for before I quit una forum Hey bro can I ask you a question? |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by k4kenny(f): 2:00pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
Daejoyoung: It's not a problem for us. Were indeed glad to have such a gem in our lives. It's a treasure you keep exploring. The linguistic miracles, facts later discovered by modern scientists and some recent discoveries (eg male and female is mentioned exactly 23 times each. We have 23 male and female chromosomes). These things make us have a deeper appreciation of our religion and it strengthens our faith. Again how can you be sure a book authored by men with errors can be absolutely factual about God? |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by k4kenny(f): 2:01pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
WebSurfer: Ok |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by midnighter(f): 2:02pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
themonk: You dont need to respond to me Sir, you need to go back and read. Youre going outside of the point because you are basing your questions on a wrong foundation; thats what Im trying to explain to you. I dont deny that you may have read the Bible severally. I said you needed guidance. Reading the Bible from cover to cover a million times without the original context for every single book, translation guides, different perspectives, interpretations, philosophies is not going to help you. People study these things for years before they are able to understand it. They dont just read it and take all the words on face value because its not a novel; its a historical text with so many different reference points and circumstances. You sound like you have never heard a decent sermon from a trained clergyman before. Or you are not a church-goer? Have you just been reading the thing like a storybook and waiting for inspiration or what Any preacher worth his salt will explain passages that sound at odds with how we live our lives today. Using the context. You keep asking the same unintelligent questions because you dont want to acknowledge that your life bears absolutely no resemblance to that of a nomadic peasant living in the Middle East thousands of years ago. So how would the Bible make any sense to you on first principles?? What is the meaning of "slavery"? What was a slaves position in Israelite society? What rights did a slave have? Why were Jews allowed to own them? What was the purpose of the enslavement? What laws were enacted concerning owning slaves? This is what you should be asking and not futile mewling about "owning another human being". Do you know if, at some point in the future, it will be considered "wrong" for your father to say that he "owns" you? Why have the West totally abandoned the concept of paying a bride-price in marriage, while we choose to continue with it? Would it be fair for the whites to say we are "selling" women here Or "demeaning" them, or treating them as "property"? The context of an action within a particular culture is the important thing here and not arguing in absolutes because something offends your own sensibilities. That the Bible gives licence or provisions for certain practices does not mean that it necessarily approves of them. "God could have just told Abraham to free all his slaves and that would save people from a lot of pain..." This very statement shows that youre speaking out of ignorance. Abraham should free all his slaves and then what? Who will do all the work? Who will take stock of food and provisions from the harvest? Who will account for his expenditure and budget? Abraham who had no children until ...? Lol seriously what are you talking about God provided laws and regulations to improve the treatment of slaves and protect their interests instead of enacting something that wouldnt be realistic in the society He was presiding over. |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by healthserve(m): 2:03pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
k4kenny: I wished I was younger. I wanted to engage you today after reading your recount of the creation of the world. But... Simply put, do a wider search of the creations account is what I can say.. |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Nobody: 2:04pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
healthserve: U are free to do so |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by healthserve(m): 2:05pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
PrecisionFx: On our last interactions you spoke about snake bite antidotes that comprises of over 300 snake venom mixed together. I'm wondering if I can be directed to where I can buy them as I seriously and urgently need this product |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by DeepSight(m): 2:06pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
healthserve: I would be hesitant to jump to conclusions if I were you: one thing I should mention if it helps is that the questions I put forward are not suggestive of what I think about God so much as they are meant to question a particular conception of God. As I mentioned to another poster somewhere up there, I personally believe God is the Source of all other existence and all other realities and as the Source, is beyond remote and therefore absolutely unknowable for a human. Trust me if God comes down every moment to fix each humans errors, . . . If God is the creator of humans, human errors are the responsibility of God. . . . God will never sit down and would even die from exhaustion and the whole creation him. Can God die? I trust you mean this in a sarcastic and metaphorical way. Even Newton theoriticized action and effects are directly proportional What human actions account for natural disasters such as Earthquakes or Tsunamis? Or droughts which led to famine in the past? Let's let God be please. Its the devil that damaged the world not God. Well, if God created this Devil, God is also responsible for its deeds, particularly if you believe that God is omniscient. And God isn't to be blamed for creating us all. Why? Does the concept of responsibility not apply to God? God is not responsible for God's deeds? If so, please let me understand why. Show some respect Do you think that God requires respect? As a man who's company had crashed with lots of money lost, I knew my wrongs and improved on them. I didn't look up to blame God.; Good on you - and thats the right path - nevertheless I trust you are aware that there are tragedies in the world which no human action or deed could have triggered or stopped? 2 Likes |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by healthserve(m): 2:08pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
DeepSight: The moment your understanding rests upon a combative narrative, even the Bible would confound you. The problem is understanding, perspective and wrong foundational mindframe hence whatever is poured in becomes toxic. Fix the mind and the eyes and then clarity can be attained. |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 2:10pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
DeepSight:I'm serious |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by DeepSight(m): 2:12pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
healthserve: I dont know where you have seen anything combative. Ah well, your choice. Have a nice day, and a happy new year. 1 Like |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by DeepSight(m): 2:13pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by healthserve(m): 2:13pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
DeepSight: Trust me Salvation is yours to loose not mine. Self absorption perpetuates darkness/ignorance/flawed logics/wrong beliefs/wrong turns as evidenced in the entire length and breadth of your earlier hypothesis When awakened beings engage one another, awareness and spiritual awakeness stands to be gained. If lost, ignorance continues to dominate |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Nobody: 2:14pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
healthserve: According to my doctor friend, Anti snake venom used in Nigeria are imported from Great Britain. He said its available in Most big hospitals in nigeria. I dont know if its sold anywhere |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by k4kenny(f): 2:14pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
midnighter: What principles is your God sticking to? Islam never stated we were created perfect, perhaps you misunderstood whoever told you. What Islam states is we were all born with a natural disposition (fitrah) to worship 1 God. But society changes this perspective as we grow. If you'll open your mind and search for the truth it'll come to you by the permission of Allah. @bolded nothing is impossible for God, change that notion now!!!! In fact this is why I say our ideas of God are completely different. The biblical God rested after 7 days of creation, claims to be omnipresent, yet didn't know Adam had eaten from the tree, regretted creating humans . Regret means helplessness(what an insult), also needs a human sacrifice to forgive sins I can go on and on. You religion actually diminished the greatness of the Creator and you guys aren't paying attention. |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 2:14pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
DeepSight: Why do think he might not have? |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by healthserve(m): 2:15pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
PrecisionFx: Help me ask him abeg. I'm in the midst of a 2000 acres reserve and since the day I saw that comment I've been scared for my team Perhaps I should consider importing it too. |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by DeepSight(m): 2:20pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
healthserve: No offense, but I have interacted with quite a few awakened beings. You dont come across as one. Too much adversarial assumption and judgment filters through from you. I really was interested in having a decent chat. But you have shut it down, thus i said. . . happy new year. |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by midnighter(f): 2:23pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
k4kenny: Okay; we can agree to disagree. (By the way, I didnt say anything was impossible for God. Read the sentence again and try not to take things so literally) |
Re: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by healthserve(m): 2:23pm On Dec 31, 2019 |
DeepSight: It's yours to lose. It took me thorough review of study of human history of over 4000 years to get to where I am so I have learnt not to argue when the need calls. Interaction yes, arguement nope. Its pointless to me to argue..... As it proffers almost no benefits.... The first exhibit of an awaken soul is receptivity of a myriad of viewpoints which was grossly deficient in your posts shutting the possibility of an interaction, which most times degenerates into spiral back and forth arguments. And with that viewpoint in mind there was no need for cross examination of facts of anykind Trust me I read your posts over and over and laughed. I was at that point around 15 years back. Perhaps time will avail other opportunities and more interactions but then if the foundation is flawed, what then can what's rests upon it however erect be called, a flawed construct bro The more receptive the mind /soul can be, the clearer mental-clarity and better understanding of facts. With this said God in His omniscient knowledge can permit a mixture of gods, principalities, false gods by so doing creates a context where those who must approach must test varying concepts of who He is and then embrace the resultant discovery. The deeper the quest is, the more rewarding the search and its aftermath becomes. Hence the soul profits ultimately from the chaos of finding the true God The see clearly and accurately. To see with accurate precise, lotus has to be white, crisp white.. .. |
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