macof:
. A pity there is such a human being as unintelligent and lacking in the very basic of comprehension skills as yourself

What is wrong with middle eastern migration into Yorùbáland is same as what is wrong with talking about East Asian migration into Yorùbáland
No evidence! No basis by which this claims can stand

I am not here to discuss 18th century flawed racial classification

Nowhere have I stated the Yoruba have a bantu origin, you keep saying I do but probably just your crazy mind conjuring illusions

You're always without sense of fact. Proof yourself with written works to contradict the reality that there people that came together as Yoruba are one stock. Olodo. Abibu Oluiwa came from Ilorin as one of the pioneer of Sakara music originators. Please let this mumuship stop because Ilorin as a Yoruba land isn't different from Ileife. Kindly Google who and who are Ilorin indigenous people and who came to settled down in late 17th century and early 18th century ? Olodo forming intellectual!

Olu317:
Defend what I posted . Instead, vulgar statement from you. I caught you with facts.

Olu317:
You're always without sense of fact. Proof yourself with written works to contradict the reality that there people that came together as Yoruba are one stock. Olodo. Abibu Oluiwa came from Ilorin as one of the pioneer of Sakara music originators. Please let this mumuship stop because Ilorin as a Yoruba land isn't different from Ileife. Kindly Google who and who are Ilorin indigenous people and who came to settled down in late 17th century and early 18th century ? Olodo forming intellectual!

Why are you running away from the text from Suzanne Blier's article and its implications for your claims?
Clown. Imagine posting an article as if it defends any of your claims
Ah! These guys are criminal minded to the bone

macof:


Why are you running away from the text from Suzanne Blier's article and its implications for your claims?
Clown. Imagine posting an article as if it defends any of your claims
Ah! These guys are criminal minded to the bone

Contest anything I posted with references ?

macof:
. A pity there is such a human being as unintelligent and lacking in the very basic of comprehension skills as yourself

What is wrong with middle eastern migration into Yorùbáland is same as what is wrong with talking about East Asian migration into Yorùbáland
No evidence! No basis by which this claims can stand

I am not here to discuss 18th century flawed racial classification

Nowhere have I stated the Yoruba have a bantu origin, you keep saying I do but probably just your crazy mind conjuring illusions

Alaba - Yoruba
Alabama - America

Yorubas are the original native Americans

macof:

Lets try to go with logic here and resolve this with common sense

Movement of people is still common today, has always been and would always be. That is why the factors I mentioned and so many more unmentioned are critical before coming to conclusions, reason why you couldn't address the analogy I made

At best what you have done there is to assume that human nature of moving around automatically means Yoruba could have come from the middle East
How about the people of the middle East could have come from West Africa? By what formula did you arrive at the conclusion that the middle East is the start of any such migration if such migration even existed between the middle East and West Africa. And why the middle East? Migration in ancient times only involved the middle East?
People did not migrate within Africa?

I did not say Yoruba migration started from the mid east.

Neither did I say anything else you posted.

I'm simply looking at the possibility of the narrative there is middle eastern influence in Yoruba ancestry.

It in no way negates other theories you might have regarding ancient migration patterns in west Africa?

macof:
. A pity there is such a human being as unintelligent and lacking in the very basic of comprehension skills as yourself

What is wrong with middle eastern migration into Yorùbáland is same as what is wrong with talking about East Asian migration into Yorùbáland
No evidence! No basis by which this claims can stand

I am not here to discuss 18th century flawed racial classification

Nowhere have I stated the Yoruba have a bantu origin, you keep saying I do but probably just your crazy mind conjuring illusions

All you know is big grammar . you are not giving any fact to buttress your point here ...That is reason i want to know why is hard for you to believe middle asian migrated into yorubaland .If Europe could have indo Aryan migration from India ,why do you think is impossible for Hebrew to migrate here...Who are the ,beriberi ..bariba, senegal, hausa ,fulani soninke,dogon, bornu...

Obalufon:
All you know is big grammar . you are not giving any fact to buttress your point here ...That is reason i want to know why is hard for you to believe middle asian migrated into yorubaland .If Europe could have indo Aryan migration from India ,why do you think is impossible for Hebrew to migrate here...Who are the ,beriberi ..bariba, senegal, hausa ,fulani soninke,dogon, bornu...

Yoruba language is : Classic Hebrew's language+ Arabic's language+ extremely minute Bantu's language.

We learn by sharing experience. So knowledge is education, drawing out of experiencie.

Thanks to Chief S.O Bada of blessed memory. His work 'Owe Yoruba ati isedale won' published around 1902 or so featured Iseri, where the proverb says "Ki'seri to d'omo oba, ojuri".

This makes Iseri a prince. However, Iseri in Yoruba oral record has to do with the Awori or Egba who claimed to have come from Iseri. Whoever the Yoruba candidate, he's a prince later in life.

Israel is a name derived from the encounter of the patriarch of the country so named with a name changing experience making him a prince later in life. Which presage the other?

Seir is the name from the county of Edom rooted in the meaning same as Israel, meaning "the prince". Mount seir is a landmark and Seir also represent Osiris, the prince of the gods of Egypt.

The Awori variant cames with the Yoruba as the name of the Mariners that fostered the Yoruba folks. This is as it is said "Iseri Oloko". Iseri, the Voyagers. Omo oloko nile iseri..

The Yoruba evolved from the Sea people.

Iseri in Yoruba means "originating on river". So, the Yoruba originated on rivers (omo oluwe wun ejigiri sise, ise lafi dale Ife). The Yoruba were thus scions of the ancient divers who had mastered the sea about 3000 years ago.

But since the "original origin" trace back to Iseri, we only have to look for a place so called beyond the waters. What if that place no longer exists, record will. but is there any record?

Yes, it's either Israel or Seir, better if both connects.

The rule here is simple: transliteration, the Yoruba picked the name from an actual place and that's why it could still be retained in her language for countless years in almost the way it sounds.

Such will validate the "meaningfulness" of oral record regardless of whose ox is gored. So it's no longer guesswork when a place is mentioned. What you do is verify, check out other clues.

Clutters and Clues

Were there other clues that we are getting at something? Yes, there's Iseri Olofin and there's Olofin Ado.

Aluf was the title of the Duke of Edom: the word have lingered on ever since it's coinage to mean "leader", 'first', etc. This particular word exist in different form and all had a tale to tell.

Aluf is akin to Alufa in Yoruba, which is what it used to be to the ancients. That is, teacher of the law. Aluf also became the first letter Alif, with Greco-Roman alpha[beth], Hebrew Aleph, and Yoruba Alefa, the Caliph with the Arab..

In modern times, alpha has returned to the mainstream as alpha male.

Aluf, Alif, Alaafin, Olofin, Alpha, Alufa, Alefa,
Onifa, Aleph, Caliph were all spurned from Edom for the Duke. You can't separate the Yoruba variants from the flux of ideas provided it ever existed and not forged ad-hoc.

I decided to just provide you with the clutters and clues here as my laptop crashed on Saturday. You should have read it in my intended response to Olu, which clarify the Ado/Edo/Edom/Esan/Esau connection. Using wife's fone, already pestering lol.

Ibini

The name ibini is beautiful and revealing. It has Yoruba meaning. It connotes a birth order of a sort. We have clues to this in the saying "Ara ibini arokuntayo". That line is reserved for the bini on Lagos island.

The name ibini means 'the first born'. Ibini, ibeji, ibeta etc. With that understanding at the background, Ara ibini arokuntayo tayo means "brethren of the first born, who strains the womb to break out.

Ibini should remind us of Aluf, meaning first. That's what Olofin Ado seek to achieve. "Aluf Ad" AlfuAd. Ad is Arabic for first. KulhuAllahu Adun, Allahu samad. Waidun is Arabic for first, which is akoko in Yoruba.

How does that have any bearing on ibini? The proverb says "ile akoko latii gbedo" so, it's in the home of the akoko that we pick Edo language". Akoko were Edo. Akoko covertly means first. Akoko helps confirm that Ibini means first.

How about the twins stuff? It's much as we have it in Yoruba. Odion, odiyan one who prefer pounded yam. Akere, one who claimed the blessings so to speak.

nlPoster:


I did not say Yoruba migration started from the mid east.

Neither did I say anything else you posted.

I'm simply looking at the possibility of the narrative there is middle eastern influence in Yoruba ancestry.

It in no way negates other theories you might have regarding ancient migration patterns in west Africa?

You said claims of Yoruba migration from the middle East is not far fetched. You gave reasons why it is possible like ancient times filled with events of human migration. So yes I am aware of your stand

Everything I posted was in perfect reaction to your statement.
That's the problem with assumptions, you are quick to stand back once a real discussion emerged out of your statement

Obalufon:
All you know is big grammar . you are not giving any fact to buttress your point here ...That is reason i want to know why is hard for you to believe middle asian migrated into yorubaland .If Europe could have indo Aryan migration from India ,why do you think is impossible for Hebrew to migrate here...Who are the ,beriberi ..bariba, senegal, hausa ,fulani soninke,dogon, bornu...

Smh. Every post from this one is just senseless
I'll do you the honor however by just addressing two points

1. Even though it is quite off topic,.. Where did you learn Europe is populated by Indo Aryans?
Do you even know what Indo Aryan is?

2. Why is it hard to believe Arabs and Hebrews migrated to Yorùbáland you ask? Simply, no evidence nor logical basis that this claim can stand on

The rest of your post is just utter nonsense really

absoluteSuccess:
We learn by sharing experience. So knowledge is education, drawing out of experiencie.

Thanks to Chief S.O Bada of blessed memory. His work 'Owe Yoruba ati isedale won' published around 1902 or so featured Iseri, where the proverb says "Ki'seri to d'omo oba, ojuri".

This makes Iseri a prince. However, Iseri in Yoruba oral record has to do with the Awori or Egba who claimed to have come from Iseri. Whoever the Yoruba candidate, he's a prince later in life.

Israel is a name derived from the encounter of the patriarch of the country so named with a name changing experience making him a prince later in life. Which presage the other?

Seir is the name from the county of Edom rooted in the meaning same as Israel, meaning "the prince". Mount seir is a landmark and Seir also represent Osiris, the prince of the gods of Egypt.

The Awori variant cames with the Yoruba as the name of the Mariners that fostered the Yoruba folks. This is as it is said "Iseri Oloko". Iseri, the Voyagers. Omo oloko nile iseri..

The Yoruba evolved from the Sea people.

Iseri in Yoruba means "originating on river". So, the Yoruba originated on rivers (omo oluwe wun ejigiri sise, ise lafi dale Ife). The Yoruba were thus scions of the ancient divers who had mastered the sea about 3000 years ago.

But since the "original origin" trace back to Iseri, we only have to look for a place so called beyond the waters. What if that place no longer exists, record will. but is there any record?

Yes, it's either Israel or Seir, better if both connects.

The rule here is simple: transliteration, the Yoruba picked the name from an actual place and that's why it could still be retained in her language for countless years in almost the way it sounds.

Such will validate the "meaningfulness" of oral record regardless of whose ox is gored. So it's no longer guesswork when a place is mentioned. What you do is verify, check out other clues.

Clutters and Clues

Were there other clues that we are getting at something? Yes, there's Iseri Olofin and there's Olofin Ado.

Aluf was the title of the Duke of Edom: the word have lingered on ever since it's coinage to mean "leader", 'first', etc. This particular word exist in different form and all had a tale to tell.

Aluf is akin to Alufa in Yoruba, which is what it used to be to the ancients. That is, teacher of the law. Aluf also became the first letter Alif, with Greco-Roman alpha[beth], Hebrew Aleph, and Yoruba Alefa, the Caliph with the Arab..

In modern times, alpha has returned to the mainstream as alpha male.

Aluf, Alif, Alaafin, Olofin, Alpha, Alufa, Alefa,
Onifa, Aleph, Caliph were all spurned from Edom for the Duke. You can't separate the Yoruba variants from the flux of ideas provided it ever existed and not forged ad-hoc.

I decided to just provide you with the clutters and clues here as my laptop crashed on Saturday. You should have read it in my intended response to Olu, which clarify the Ado/Edo/Edom/Esan/Esau connection. Using wife's fone, already pestering lol.

Ibini

The name ibini is beautiful and revealing. It has Yoruba meaning. It connotes a birth order of a sort. We have clues to this in the saying "Ara ibini arokuntayo". That line is reserved for the bini on Lagos island.

The name ibini means 'the first born'. Ibini, ibeji, ibeta etc. With that understanding at the background, Ara ibini arokuntayo tayo means "brethren of the first born, who strains the womb to break out.

Ibini should remind us of Aluf, meaning first. That's what Olofin Ado seek to achieve. "Aluf Ad" AlfuAd. Ad is Arabic for first. KulhuAllahu Adun, Allahu samad. Waidun is Arabic for first, which is akoko in Yoruba.

How does that have any bearing on ibini? The proverb says "ile akoko latii gbedo" so, it's in the home of the akoko that we pick Edo language". Akoko were Edo. Akoko covertly means first. Akoko helps confirm that Ibini means first.

How about the twins stuff? It's much as we have it in Yoruba. Odion, odiyan one who prefer pounded yam. Akere, one who claimed the blessings so to speak.

Odion, Odiyan
One who prefers Pounded yam

Real funny

kayfra:




Alaba - Yoruba
Alabama - America

Yorubas are the original native Americans

Man if we go by this crazy people's logic, Yoruba might as well be native American, Hebrew, Chinese, Persian, German, Viking.. You name it
All at once

Anything but African

macof:


Smh. Every post from this one is just senseless
I'll do you the honor however by just addressing two points

1. Even though it is quite off topic,.. Where did you learn Europe is populated by Indo Aryans?
Do you even know what Indo Aryan is?

2. Why is it hard to believe Arabs and Hebrews migrated to Yorùbáland you ask? Simply, no evidence nor logical basis that this claim can stand on

The rest of your post is just utter nonsense really

you are senseless...your brain is full of junks ..i am trying to broaden your mind bantu man to know that human migrate alot, life then wasn't as stable as we have it now .. No Logical basis? your brain lack logical capacity to comprehend the evidence given to you ...So you haven't heard of Aryan race with all your history and etymology knowledge .

.Who are the ,beriberi ..bariba, senegal, hausa ,fulani soninke,dogon, bornu?... Middle east is as close to us as bornu state .. Did you know that Ancient kingdom of yam is located in bornu ..you can do more research on bornu and sudan because you will find the missing puzzle there to confirm the middle east migration

Yoruba

@Olu

I recently found out something curious bro, I believe we are familiar with 'apocalypse' as revelation, this is given as ifihan or ishipaya in Yoruba.

Somehow, ishipaya sounds very similar to inspire, how that came to be beats me, but the word came through the analysis on Ashipa. It's not a name but an ancient title.

My brother, the validity of the Yoruba word as secret to Yoruba history is yielding unintended results as it's often been here. Carefully consider the intriguing wordplay in the following:

Ashipa, Ashipaya, Inspired, Ayah (quranic sura revelation). Ya is to yawn in Yoruba, to release air on another person is to "yah sini lara". This is imisi in contemporary Yoruba.

This is what "inspired" literally means. To breath upon another, as God breath to inspire His prophets of old.

Unknown to us, our fathers of old have had inspired experience in their early history. That left an indelible mark on the Yoruba tradition. We are not privy of this.

Ashipa is the father of Ado, he is meant to be a man 'inspired'. The one for that kind of description in Yoruba, pantheon you will agree with me is Orunmila, the patron of Ifa oracle.

Based on the fact that it is said "eji ogbe baba Ifa", then this is proof that the father of Ado had words on marble, and therefore an inspired man, an Ewi (The Say) of Ado.

Now "Ashipa" is the English source for "the inspired". This is like confirming the identity of the father of Ado as one who opened a path of revelation to inspire.

Shipaya is 'revelation', or to 'inspire', as is the suffix 'Aya' to the Arabs. More like it also, is the term Alefa, (alfathia), which have affinities with Arabic.

I always have the feeling that the word Alefa possibly derived from Arabic and was loaned by the Yoruba, thinking 'apere' to be more original. I just checked the meaning on Google.

Alefa in Arabic means friendly and hospitable. But Alefa in Yoruba means 'throne'. So where is the similarities?

The exchange of idea is such that Alefa in Arabic is pertinent with Yoruba's Alufa, where Alefa means 'friendly'. So what does 'friendly' means in Yoruba? Abore, that's what it means.

But given a careful look, an Alufa is a teacher, 'ab'ore' is an hospitable fellow who has the charms to make friends. So goes the saying: omo onife abure, omo adade owo remo'.

The meaning of this is that 'one who showed love will make friends'. Why did this turn out in the pynageric saying of Ile-Ife? It's in what the word of the place name roughly sounds like: lf.

Abure is akin to Abore, or Alore- which is white garment church for the priest. a friend, a priest: a friendly priest. Alufa, Alefa.

So that said, the interpretation into Yoruba of the Arabic sense of the word 'Alefa' survived as 'abore'. It is the indigenous word for priest in Yoruba, both Alore and Abore.

Alefa however is the retention of the idea of the original value of the word aleph or alpha that represent the term as royalty. It's match in Arabic is the caliphate, or khalifa precisely.

From the understanding derived from the Islamic meaning the word as successor, Alefa is to climb into succession after the departure of a penultimate leader. So, the word is in sync.

Happy Sunday bro.

macof:

Man if we go by this crazy people's logic, Yoruba might as well be native American, Hebrew, Chinese, Persian, German, Viking.. You name it
All at once

Anything but African

I knew it as usual, you will never learn because you're intellectually shallow minded, which has made me to silence you on this platform with my view and written books to back my information.Unfortunately, you hardly give any references to support you kangaroo approach. Little do your type know, some of us are actually specialist in what we profess on this platform. So, let me teach you more since you are a stiffneck individual. As it is a fundamental part in Human history that it, is filled with adventurism , migration for greener pastures, exploration and conquest which has been ageless as a result of human development. So go read:

a.The Idea of Human Prehistory: the Natural Sciences, the Human Sciences, and the Problem of Human Origins in Victorian Britain Matthew R. Goodrum

b. Lower egyptian communities and their interactions with southern Levant in the 4th miLLennium Bc

c. NEBUCHADNEZZAR'S CONQUEST OF EGYPT, CONFIRMED FROM A CONTEMPORARY HIEROGLYPHIC INSCRIPTION.

Secondly, Cognate either true or false in any language in the world does not change its tradition from its birth to its death. Greek language, with its many dialects, through time and space, since the Mycenean idiom, will always remain Greek, and never some other language like Phoenician or Latin. Likewise, Yoruba has been always been Yoruba since the remote past. If Yoruba, Ancient Egyptian pharaonic language,Semitic languages show close sound correspondences in them, then , it means that the these languages are genetically related. Indeed, Phonetic laws and sound correspondences have exceptions, but their help is very crucial in eliminating false etymologies and dubitable reconstructions. For example Greek theos, “god”, and Latin deus, “god”, seem to be very similar, therefore related, and developed from a common predialectal stock( Theophile Obeng).

Thirdly,go pick up written biography of these two Yoruba men :
a. Rabbi Arnold Josiah Ford: A ‘Moses to His People By Rabbi Sholomo B. Levy

b. Biography of Rabbi W.A. Matthew By Rabbi Sholomo Ben Levy, to understand one out of a thousand reasons that made me understudy classic Hebrew, which I find interesting as well as revealing.


Fourthly, admixture in humanity has always been immemorial so, it is not new even as it is seen in centuries before now and today's world. Kindly go educate yourself with:

a. ‘Ancient and recent admixture layers in Sicily and Southern Italy trace multiple migration routes along the Mediterranean'

b. ‘Neolithization of North Africa involved the migration of people from both the Levant

c. Genetic evidence for an origin of the Armenians from Bronze Age mixing of multiple populations

d. Comparative Analysis of Genetic Ancestry and Admixture in the Colombian Populations of Chocó and Medellín .

Perhaps ,from the above information, more value will be added to the little knowledge have, so that people who surf this platform will see your weakness as a lazy scholar !

Olu317:
I knew it as usual, you will never learn because you're intellectually shallow minded, which has made me to silence you on this platform with my view and written books to back my information.Unfortunately, you hardly give any references to support you kangaroo approach. Little do your type know, some of us are actually specialist in what we profess on this platform. So, let me teach you more since you are a stiffneck individual. As it is a fundamental part in Human history that it, is filled with adventurism , migration for greener pastures, exploration and conquest which has been ageless as a result of human development. So go read:

a.The Idea of Human Prehistory: the Natural Sciences, the Human Sciences, and the Problem of Human Origins in Victorian Britain Matthew R. Goodrum

b. Lower egyptian communities and their interactions with southern Levant in the 4th miLLennium Bc

c. NEBUCHADNEZZAR'S CONQUEST OF EGYPT, CONFIRMED FROM A CONTEMPORARY HIEROGLYPHIC INSCRIPTION.

Secondly, Cognate either true or false in any language in the world does not change its tradition from its birth to its death. Greek language, with its many dialects, through time and space, since the Mycenean idiom, will always remain Greek, and never some other language like Phoenician or Latin. Likewise, Yoruba has been always been Yoruba since the remote past. If Yoruba, Ancient Egyptian pharaonic language,Semitic languages show close sound correspondences in them, then , it means that the these languages are genetically related. Indeed, Phonetic laws and sound correspondences have exceptions, but their help is very crucial in eliminating false etymologies and dubitable reconstructions. For example Greek theos, “god”, and Latin deus, “god”, seem to be very similar, therefore related, and developed from a common predialectal stock( Theophile Obeng).

Thirdly,go pick up written biography of these two Yoruba men :
a. Rabbi Arnold Josiah Ford: A ‘Moses to His People By Rabbi Sholomo B. Levy

b. Biography of Rabbi W.A. Matthew By Rabbi Sholomo Ben Levy, to understand one out of a thousand reasons that made me understudy classic Hebrew, which I find interesting as well as revealing.


Fourthly, admixture in humanity has always been immemorial so, it is not new even as it is seen in centuries before now and today's world. Kindly go educate yourself with:

a. ‘Ancient and recent admixture layers in Sicily and Southern Italy trace multiple migration routes along the Mediterranean'

b. ‘Neolithization of North Africa involved the migration of people from both the Levant

c. Genetic evidence for an origin of the Armenians from Bronze Age mixing of multiple populations

d. Comparative Analysis of Genetic Ancestry and Admixture in the Colombian Populations of Chocó and Medellín .

Perhaps ,from the above information, more value will be added to the little knowledge have, so that people who surf this platform will see your weakness as a lazy scholar !

Mr Olu you need to educate this macof bantu guy ...Senegalese are aboriginal people of north Africa and Egypt before they were driven south by Turks and Arabs ... Macof needs to read books by Anta diop ...Mediterranean SPAIN ,ITALY ,PORTUGAL have Senegalese DNA admixture even some Cases in northern Europe .. Hausa Sudanic Origin ,,,Bornu obviously Arabic and cushite Origin .Dogon Ancient Egyptian...Yoruba ??

Obalufon:
Mr Olu you need to educate this macof bantu guy ...Senegalese are aboriginal people of north Africa and Egypt before they were driven south by Turks and Arabs ... Macof needs to read books by Anta diop ...Mediterranean SPAIN ,ITALY ,PORTUGAL have Senegalese DNA admixture even some Cases in northern Europe .. Hausa Sudanic Origin ,,,Bornu obviously Arabic and cushite Origin .Dogon Ancient Egyptian...Yoruba ??

....Lol.Though authentic information is what we deserve here even if we disagreed on certain principles but for a guy who fails to see serious researchers with written account but still remained blinded by ego need chastisement which is the reason, I am like you who look at every possibilities of who were Yoruba ancestors with a classic Art work,religion, ethnography and their ideograms to understanding who where exactly did these ancestors came from before they arrived in Nigeria and their intermingling aborigines through infusion of the aborigines, in such a way that the identity of the foreigners who arrived seems plausible because they came with a unique civilization.

macof is apparently inconsistent with his pseudo archaic information because he seems to love falsified information as been propagated sometimes online, in such manner that people etymologize Yoruba names and history wrongfully.

On the issue of Yoruba and the traces with dead Coptic Egyptian language , Theophile Obenga did some research work on it in his book , ‘Ancient Egyptian and Modern Yoruba' : Phonetic Regularity

Furthermore, Conton says, ‘The Yoruba of Nigeria are believed by many modern historians to be descended from a people who were living on the banks of the Nile 2,000 years ago, and who were at the time in close contact with the Egyptians and the Jews. Sometime before AD 600, if this belief is correct, this people must have left their fertile lands, for reasons which we can not now discover and have joined in the ceaseless movement of tribes west wards and south-wards across our continent'.

Aderibigbe, an indigenous scholar, also accepts that the Yorubas migrated from Egypt. He says:
The general trend of these theories, most of them based on Yoruba traditions, is that of a possible origin from the east. Some scholars, impressed by the similarities between Yoruba and ancient Egyptian culture religious observation, works of art, burial and other customs speak of a possible migration of the ancestors of the Yoruba from the upper Nile (as early as 2000BC 1000BC) as a result of some upheavals in ancient Egypt. (AB ADERIBIGBE 1976).

Olumide J. Lucas, who believed that the Yoruba, during antiquity, lived in ancient Egypt before migrating to the Atlantic coast. He uses as demonstration the similarity or identity of languages, religious beliefs, customs and names of persons, places and things. In addition, many ancient papyri discovered by archaeologists point at an Egyptian origin.

Tariqh Sawandi: Yorubic medicine: The Art of divine herbology; online article. To buttress this view on the Yoruba connection with Egypt herbology. Tariqh Sawandi says,‘The Yoruba history begins with the migration of an east African population across the trans-African route leading from Mid-Nile river area to the Mid-Niger.

Ademoyega commented that the Ekiti section of the Yorubas must have migrated to their present area around 638AD when the Muslims took over Egypt and forced some of the Yoruba people to migrate to their present area.According to M. Omoleya, he says, that the Nigerian region was inhabited more than forty thousand years ago, or as far back as 65,000BC. During this period, the Nok culture occupied the region. The Nok culture was visited by the Yoruba people, between 2000BC and 500BC . In fact, the Opa Oranmiyan is an inscription in middle-eastern letters that archeologists have accepted as corresponding in sound to ‘Oranmiyan'. Fatunbi, commenting on the Oranmiyan obelisk writes, ‘There is the image of a trident made iron spikes on the obelisk,' but Williams and their 1998 article do not pay much attention to the nail design on the obelisk, they just write one side of the staff are some faded carving in explicably there are some nails driven into it and it is glaring that there are discrepancies in observations of Dennett and Johnson Oranmiyan obelisk. The total numbers of nails seen on Oranmiyan obelisk by both of them do not tally apart from fact that where Dennett sees ‘horn and Johnson sees ', ‘ancient characters'- Resh Yod. The fact that one sees horn and axe the other sees “ancient characters” does mean that the characters engraved on the Opa Oranmiyan are not hieroglyphs – but Resh and Yod. Also commenting on one of the characteristics of hieroglyph writings Siculus writes:
Now it is found that the forms of their take the shape of animals of every kind, the members of the human body, a implements and especially carpenters’ tool their writing does not express the int concept by means of syllables joined to another, but by means of the significance objects which have been copied and figurative meaning which has been improve upon the memory by practice.

Hieroglyphs is associated with Egyptians writing while Resh and Yod is associated with Classic Hebrew writing of Semitic origin. Obviously, migration, intermarriages has always been the path yoruba ancestors followed wihile looking for safety, herbs, greener pasture or evading war,which are coded in ifaodu dictates.

Obalufon:
you are senseless...your brain is full of junks ..

coming from a uneducated ignoranmus that keeps posting senseless and irrelevant shiit
Like seriously, I have never come across a more uninformed and gullible individual l, you are even worse than the others

It is not enough to use words thinking you are insulting.. You don't know how to insult yet, man up to the occasion and educate yourself on topics before you dive into them then your insults might actually be taken seriously

i am trying to broaden your mind bantu man to know that human migrate alot, life then wasn't as stable as we have it now .. No Logical basis? your brain lack logical capacity to comprehend the evidence given to you ...So you haven't heard of Aryan race with all your history and etymology knowledge .

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Again with the bantu thing
100 times you would be told, 100 times it won't sink in
You probably suffer from Vascular Dementia which if true is really sad that you are not seeing a doctor or being watched by loved ones

It's no wonder my two points were just skipped over. it's a reoccurring theme with you lot
Jump over points and make more statements that I raise more points out of and jump over those ones too
If only you had the brain capacity to comprehend my posts this very comment you just made would never have been made

Olu317:
I knew it as usual, you will never learn because you're intellectually shallow minded, which has made me to silence you on this platform with my view and written books to back my information.Unfortunately, you hardly give any references to support you kangaroo approach. Little do your type know, some of us are actually specialist in what we profess on this platform. So, let me teach you more since you are a stiffneck individual. As it is a fundamental part in Human history that it, is filled with adventurism , migration for greener pastures, exploration and conquest which has been ageless as a result of human development. So go read:

a.The Idea of Human Prehistory: the Natural Sciences, the Human Sciences, and the Problem of Human Origins in Victorian Britain Matthew R. Goodrum

b. Lower egyptian communities and their interactions with southern Levant in the 4th miLLennium Bc

c. NEBUCHADNEZZAR'S CONQUEST OF EGYPT, CONFIRMED FROM A CONTEMPORARY HIEROGLYPHIC INSCRIPTION.

Secondly, Cognate either true or false in any language in the world does not change its tradition from its birth to its death. Greek language, with its many dialects, through time and space, since the Mycenean idiom, will always remain Greek, and never some other language like Phoenician or Latin. Likewise, Yoruba has been always been Yoruba since the remote past. If Yoruba, Ancient Egyptian pharaonic language,Semitic languages show close sound correspondences in them, then , it means that the these languages are genetically related. Indeed, Phonetic laws and sound correspondences have exceptions, but their help is very crucial in eliminating false etymologies and dubitable reconstructions. For example Greek theos, “god”, and Latin deus, “god”, seem to be very similar, therefore related, and developed from a common predialectal stock( Theophile Obeng).

Thirdly,go pick up written biography of these two Yoruba men :
a. Rabbi Arnold Josiah Ford: A ‘Moses to His People By Rabbi Sholomo B. Levy

b. Biography of Rabbi W.A. Matthew By Rabbi Sholomo Ben Levy, to understand one out of a thousand reasons that made me understudy classic Hebrew, which I find interesting as well as revealing.


Fourthly, admixture in humanity has always been immemorial so, it is not new even as it is seen in centuries before now and today's world. Kindly go educate yourself with:

a. ‘Ancient and recent admixture layers in Sicily and Southern Italy trace multiple migration routes along the Mediterranean'

b. ‘Neolithization of North Africa involved the migration of people from both the Levant

c. Genetic evidence for an origin of the Armenians from Bronze Age mixing of multiple populations

d. Comparative Analysis of Genetic Ancestry and Admixture in the Colombian Populations of Chocó and Medellín .

Perhaps ,from the above information, more value will be added to the little knowledge have, so that people who surf this platform will see your weakness as a lazy scholar !

Stick to the issue raised by the post you are quoting and stop ranting and going off like a loose cannon.

Most of what you are saying here is irrelevant to the topic ie. Human origins? We are talking Yoruba origin, not Homo erectus... Then another interesting one : admixture in Colombia.. Ehn "transatlantic slavery" from the 15th to 19th century is your clue to Yoruba origin? And since when did Colombia become Israel
Don't mix up chronology and geography and confuse yourself

And some I have already addressed in the past like you bringing words from your Hebrew book and trying to pass them off as cognates of yoruba words with similar spellings... I trashed that


Seems like you just mentioning books and authors again without actually knowing or understanding what on earth the book is talking about

macof:

Stick to the issue raised by the post you are quoting and stop ranting and going off like a loose cannon.

Most of what you are saying here is irrelevant to the topic ie. Human origins? We are talking Yoruba origin, not Homo erectus... Then another interesting one : admixture in Colombia.. Ehn "transatlantic slavery" from the 15th to 19th century is your clue to Yoruba origin? And since when did Colombia become Israel
Don't mix up chronology and geography and confuse yourself

And some I have already addressed in the past like you bringing words from your Hebrew book and trying to pass them off as cognates of yoruba words with similar spellings... I trashed that


Seems like you just mentioning books and authors again without actually knowing or understanding what on earth the book is talking about

How's it irrelevant ? Caught in the act!
Lol! I thought you will post something of significance to null the references but you did as usual,with your predictable disappointment because you basically have no understanding of how I came up with evidences to damn your little knowledge.Without any iota of doubt, you are lost intellectually on this platform because nothing tangible to add can be pointed at your direction.


Contrary to your pseudo information, I have explained it times without number that written books by renowned scholars accept that Yoruba are emigrants, which is the reason, I posit once more that no language in the world is without an origin. ‘The origin may be from where it is being spoken or near it ' . The language spoken may change from the origin but still, there must be traces or elements of this origin in it that will show emergence of this language from this source. This is what happened in the Arabic diffusion of Arabic, Egyptian Coptic language and Classic Hebrew etc, to Yoruba Language either by borrowing or historical connections historical connection, Burns (1972: p. 120) explains that before the first settlers of Yoruba stock at Ile-Ife led by Oduduwa, there was a black tribe called Negro, which was small in number but these emigrants (The Yoruba) later dominated this tribe with their ‘language and culture'.

Furthermore, Folorunso Says, (2009: p. 16) that it is of the opinion that the origin of the Yoruba people remains uncertain, that no definite knowledge has emerged. He explains that the general trend of theories on it are based on Yoruba oral traditions that of a possible origin in the East especially from the Arab according to history on one side. The other side is that they came from Egypt because of similarities of culture, religious observances, works of arts and burial between the Yoruba race and ancient Egypt. This assertion made some scholars concluded that they migrated from the Upper Nile of Egypt.


Therefore, I understand you if you're trying to save face by accusing me of deviation, when infact, you're the one who deviated,when you claimed that Yoruba couldn't have come as migrants into this land called ‘Niger Area' but shockingly to your dismay, I have posted 19th century, early 20th century and 21st century writers( Yorubas and non Yorubas) , who agreed that some large foreigners/ migrants, invaded and suppressed some minutes people ,in which the aborigines identity were made to conform, with the new powerful group's identity . Meanwhile, I have loads of information at my disposals which I posted minute out of it to silenced your baseless criticism. The point is migration of people and intermingling is time immemorial.

Note:
Go get books to educate yourself.

Olu317:
How's it irrelevant ? Caught in the act!
Lol! I thought you will post something of significance to null the references but you did as usual,with your predictable disappointment because you basically have no understanding of how I came up with evidences to damn your little knowledge.Without any iota of doubt, you are lost intellectually on this platform because nothing tangible to add can be pointed at your direction.


Contrary to your pseudo information, I have explained it times without number that written books by renowned scholars accept that Yoruba are emigrants, which is the reason, I posit once more that no language in the world is without an origin. ‘The origin may be from where it is being spoken or near it ' . The language spoken may change from the origin but still, there must be traces or elements of this origin in it that will show emergence of this language from this source. This is what happened in the Arabic diffusion of Arabic, Egyptian Coptic language and Classic Hebrew etc, to Yoruba Language either by borrowing or historical connections historical connection, Burns (1972: p. 120) explains that before the first settlers of Yoruba stock at Ile-Ife led by Oduduwa, there was a black tribe called Negro, which was small in number but these emigrants (The Yoruba) later dominated this tribe with their ‘language and culture'.

Furthermore, Folorunso Says, (2009: p. 16) that it is of the opinion that the origin of the Yoruba people remains uncertain, that no definite knowledge has emerged. He explains that the general trend of theories on it are based on Yoruba oral traditions that of a possible origin in the East especially from the Arab according to history on one side. The other side is that they came from Egypt because of similarities of culture, religious observances, works of arts and burial between the Yoruba race and ancient Egypt. This assertion made some scholars concluded that they migrated from the Upper Nile of Egypt.


Therefore, I understand you if you're trying to save face by accusing me of deviation, when infact, you're the one who deviated,when you claimed that Yoruba couldn't have come as migrants into this land called ‘Niger Area' but shockingly to your dismay, I have posted 19th century, early 20th century and 21st century writers( Yorubas and non Yorubas) , who agreed that some large foreigners/ migrants, invaded and suppressed some minutes people ,in which the aborigines identity were made to conform, with the new powerful group's identity . Meanwhile, I have loads of information at my disposals which I posted minute out of it to silenced your baseless criticism. The point is migration of people and intermingling is time immemorial.

Note:
Go get books to educate yourself.

Burns 1972 and Folorunso 2009 are supposed to mean what?
You have started reading a few articles and have made notice of the way references are made in the argumentative section of papers but you most likely don't consider the fact that references are further stated in full details in the bibliography where they can be examined

Good that you have actually started making references and you now read unlike months ago.
But I need to confirm that the two references you just made exist and know exactly what they talk about. so provide the full details
Because just as you did for Suzanne Blier's article and many others, you make references without actually understanding what the articles are saying

macof:

Man if we go by this crazy people's logic, Yoruba might as well be native American, Hebrew, Chinese, Persian, German, Viking.. You name it
All at once

Anything but African

This logic is the proof of intelligence quotient of a self acclaimed professional. You are not good enough for the brief. How can a content be the same thing as it's container?

Your worldview is"walled". You have no scientific turn of mind. Your bias is turned scientific.

When you earlier claimed you don't accept the 18th century sociological classification of man, why use it when it's convenient for you?

Here, this abstract sense of judgement implies that the container is also the identity of the content, a dispersible content that got stuck to it's container without a force of cohesion beat scientific explanation.

Characteristics of the animals that made up the biosphere is migratory, this differentiate them from the characteristics of the lithosphere around them. You have education that stinks. People are not the land they now lives in.

Whatever mesmerizim you might come up with, the people and the continent are not the same, and your answer here shows that you don't see a difference just before now. That's your limit, not scientific limit.

Your answer questions your own intelligence and exposes the limit of your thinking. You can't go beyond the contexts you have at hand. You have no idea what makes the content. You are a contextual thinker.

Of course you are on a "proxy intelligence" man, you have names of people who think for you, all great scholars. Yours is just to post their names here as "facts" or "evidence of accuracy". from whatever reference source or metatags.

That settles it.

macof:


Odion, Odiyan
One who prefers Pounded yam

Real funny

Since you have been on this site, you never corrected any wrongly interpreted Yoruba word. You rather ridicule the entire post and get off scrutiny.

Nobody will ever notice your lack of comprehension, since the job has already been done for you by your opponent in a bid to make his point.

You budlerize the opportunity you have to make a correction in the post above after quoting everything I wrote. No correction or diversion to alternative interpretations as valid arguments.

This game proves you are not whom you claim you are, you are a fake Yoruba.

Your ilks is described in Ifa as "afounpamo nii Sami ona"

If I have to be the one to tell you to do the needful to correct me, you will mesmerize the readers with your smart games and we go on a wild goose chase again and one get completely off track.

But that game exposed that you don't have a Yoruba background. You never used any argument that you employ Yoruba proverb or worldview, only "professional arguments".

Macof's declaration of cover

This means that you are a "professional Yoruba" rather than an indeginous Yoruba. Your permanent "I'm Yoruba, and right after my name Yoruba is my only identity" is a declaration of "cover" to have a mental effect on the reader to avoid questioning your origin.

Next, the other cover is "Ekiti" and you almost blow your cover where you said "we Ekiti are so many that I don't know there's Omuo Ekiti"

Now the fellow who asked you, "guy are you Yoruba" is here on this thread. Did she got an answer to that question years back? No, then you have two Yoruba cover, no Yoruba "background".

Fact plus fact equals more facts. Not new mystery when you have given us the first fact when we never asked for it. The fact that you are Yoruba by identity is already explosive of your "background", so why 'cover' when you are asked?

Now if no "inconsequential native intelligence" trace you back to whom you "boldly" claim you are, then you have an alibi to hide your background, that exposes your cover further.

Your declaration would have been unnecessary if you are whom you claim to be, as 'source criticism' that applies on literariness demand, except it has something to do with your profession or brief.

This means you are here on a mission to saturate the target with a predesigned program. And the "cover" is to camouflage your true identity wherever you go on your mission.

Sanitizing the target with impunity from an enduring attachment to it's local contents of a sense of history, I believe that's what you are here for primarily, hence neurotic words are more prominent in your feedbacks.

You can never be attached to the sense of a background that you don't have. But you can have or exploit a familiar or colonial right to claim to be an insider.

Who sent you?

Following thread.

macof:


Burns 1972 and Folorunso 2009 are supposed to mean what?
You have started reading a few articles and have made notice of the way references are made in the argumentative section of papers but you most likely don't consider the fact that references are further stated in full details in the bibliography where they can be examined

Good that you have actually started making references and you now read unlike months ago.
But I need to confirm that the two references you just made exist and know exactly what they talk about. so provide the full details
Because just as you did for Suzanne Blier's article and many others, you make references without actually understanding what the articles are saying

Burns, Sussan Blier, Conton, Akinjogbin, Akinkiitan, Sabiru Biobaku, Lucas, Aderibigbe, Folorunsho, Al Ilori, Beier etc are authors that agreed, there were some people who subdued the local to form a bond through their expanded civilization.

Interestingly, it is obvious you're not well read a d being online has exposed your weakness,with the pride of claims that you introduced me to Sussan Blier ? I just can't imagine this your inconstancies. Obviously, you forget things easily but let me remind you of your shock om Yoruba language, when you intended to disprove the fact that Odudua and group came with tbeir culture and language. As ignorant as you're, some of the above mentioned authors, writers specified this same information.


Apparently, when one is without defense, he/she look at irrelevant statement to hide behind. But , you have no where to run to until, I see scholarly references as you supposedly claimed Susan Blier, and others, will do cross exmaination on the identities of these Yoruba emigrants, which she did! Please, can you teach how written book is arranged according to it contents on ethnography, because you are remotely more professional than some of us ? olodo at his highest order, forming ego!

Lastly, so if one say Distant Yoruba branch family meant the people Yoruba subdued were Yoruba historically ? It is certain you didn't understand clearly, what has been stated earlier by some authored books, which I had referenced about wave of migration to the present Yoruba land by different people but submerged with the most powerful group that came with even multiple twin birth,which was never in existence in the part that is named IleIfe by these immigrants Lol. . Perhaps, Osun ,Ado, Ekiti, Igodomigodo, Nupe,Hausa land,Fulani, Oromo, Wollof, Amon, etc, was where Odua came from? If that is your claim, kindly furnish us with only lexical similarities to buttress your point to make the oral account encoded in Ifaodu more juicy. I know f ask you to do justice to Pictographs interpretation, you will run away from this platform, so let mebe lenient with you.

absoluteSuccess:


This logic is the proof of intelligence quotient of a self acclaimed professional. You are not good enough for the brief. How can a content be the same thing as it's container?

Your worldview is"walled". You have no scientific turn of mind. Your bias is turned scientific.

When you earlier claimed you don't accept the 18th century sociological classification of man, why use it when it's convenient for you?

Here, this abstract sense of judgement implies that the container is also the identity of the content, a dispersible content that got stuck to it's container without a force of cohesion beat scientific explanation.

Characteristics of the animals that made up the biosphere is migratory, this differentiate them from the characteristics of the lithosphere around them. You have education that stinks. People are not the land they now lives in.

Whatever mesmerizim you might come up with, the people and the continent are not the same, and your answer here shows that you don't see a difference just before now. That's your limit, not scientific limit.

Your answer questions your own intelligence and exposes the limit of your thinking. You can't go beyond the contexts you have at hand. You have no idea what makes the content. You are a contextual thinker.

Of course you are on a "proxy intelligence" man, you have names of people who think for you, all great scholars. Yours is just to post their names here as "facts" or "evidence of accuracy". from whatever reference source or metatags.

That settles it.





Since you have been on this site, you never corrected any wrongly interpreted Yoruba word. You rather ridicule the entire post and get off scrutiny.

Nobody will ever notice your lack of comprehension, since the job has already been done for you by your opponent in a bid to make his point.

You budlerize the opportunity you have to make a correction in the post above after quoting everything I wrote. No correction or diversion to alternative interpretations as valid arguments.

This game proves you are not whom you claim you are, you are a fake Yoruba.

Your ilks is described in Ifa as "afounpamo nii Sami ona"

If I have to be the one to tell you to do the needful to correct me, you will mesmerize the readers with your smart games and we go on a wild goose chase again and one get completely off track.

But that game exposed that you don't have a Yoruba background. You never used any argument that you employ Yoruba proverb or worldview, only "professional arguments".

Macof's declaration of cover

This means that you are a "professional Yoruba" rather than an indeginous Yoruba. Your permanent "I'm Yoruba, and right after my name Yoruba is my only identity" is a declaration of "cover" to have a mental effect on the reader to avoid questioning your origin.

Next, the other cover is "Ekiti" and you almost blow your cover where you said "we Ekiti are so many that I don't know there's Omuo Ekiti"

Now the fellow who asked you, "guy are you Yoruba" is here on this thread. Did she got an answer to that question years back? No, then you have two Yoruba cover, no Yoruba "background".

Fact plus fact equals more facts. Not new mystery when you have given us the first fact when we never asked for it. The fact that you are Yoruba by identity is already explosive of your "background", so why 'cover' when you are asked?

Now if no "inconsequential native intelligence" trace you back to whom you "boldly" claim you are, then you have an alibi to hide your background, that exposes your cover further.

Your declaration would have been unnecessary if you are whom you claim to be, as 'source criticism' that applies on literariness demand, except it has something to do with your profession or brief.

This means you are here on a mission to saturate the target with a predesigned program. And the "cover" is to camouflage your true identity wherever you go on your mission.

Sanitizing the target with impunity from an enduring attachment to it's local contents of a sense of history, I believe that's what you are here for primarily, hence neurotic words are more prominent in your feedbacks.

You can never be attached to the sense of a background that you don't have. But you can have or exploit a familiar or colonial right to claim to be an insider.

Who sent you?

No wonder, he flips from one angle to another without having anything fundamentally relevant to address on the issue that,he always counter well established fact at researchers have within their fold that there were large group of people who were immigrants.


As far as I am, he is a an assimilated Yoruba man. He is probably an Igodomigodo lineage,whose ancestors came to learn Yoruba through service as a votary . This is what he uses as a defense line as if he is even an initiate. And it is obvious he is a liar because, he has never even mentioned anything on ifaodu corpus. I guess it is high time one needs neglect this guy because he is the real fraud!

macof:

Stick to the issue raised by the post you are quoting and stop ranting and going off like a loose cannon.

Most of what you are saying here is irrelevant to the topic ie. Human origins? We are talking Yoruba origin, not Homo erectus... Then another interesting one : admixture in Colombia.. Ehn "transatlantic slavery" from the 15th to 19th century is your clue to Yoruba origin? And since when did Colombia become Israel
Don't mix up chronology and geography and confuse yourself

And some I have already addressed in the past like you bringing words from your Hebrew book and trying to pass them off as cognates of yoruba words with similar spellings... I trashed that


Seems like you just mentioning books and authors again without actually knowing or understanding what on earth the book is talking about

Clap for educated monkey .. All you know is grammar, Vascular Dementia again.. ..You pride your self with the stupid junks you filled your mind with Mr know all..soon you will realize that all the rubbish you've accumulated in your small brain means nothing ..

Olu317:
Burns, Sussan Blier, Conton, Akinjogbin, Akinkiitan, Sabiru Biobaku, Lucas, Aderibigbe, Folorunsho, Al Ilori, Beier etc are authors that agreed, there were some people who subdued the local to form a bond through their expanded civilization.

Interestingly, it is obvious you're not well read a d being online has exposed your weakness,with the pride of claims that you introduced me to Sussan Blier ? I just can't imagine this your inconstancies. Obviously, you forget things easily but let me remind you of your shock om Yoruba language, when you intended to disprove the fact that Odudua and group came with tbeir culture and language. As ignorant as you're, some of the above mentioned authors, writers specified this same information.


Apparently, when one is without defense, he/she look at irrelevant statement to hide behind. But , you have no where to run to until, I see scholarly references as you supposedly claimed Susan Blier, and others, will do cross exmaination on the identities of these Yoruba emigrants, which she did! Please, can you teach how written book is arranged according to it contents on ethnography, because you are remotely more professional than some of us ? olodo at his highest order, forming ego!

Lastly, so if one say Distant Yoruba branch family meant the people Yoruba subdued were Yoruba historically ? It is certain you didn't understand clearly, what has been stated earlier by some authored books, which I had referenced about wave of migration to the present Yoruba land by different people but submerged with the most powerful group that came with even multiple twin birth,which was never in existence in the part that is named IleIfe by these immigrants Lol. . Perhaps, Osun ,Ado, Ekiti, Igodomigodo, Nupe,Hausa land,Fulani, Oromo, Wollof, Amon, etc, was where Odua came from? If that is your claim, kindly furnish us with only lexical similarities to buttress your point to make the oral account encoded in Ifaodu more juicy. I know f ask you to do justice to Pictographs interpretation, you will run away from this platform, so let mebe lenient with you.

You are all over the place again. I asked a simple question, give the full details of the references

And while you are at it, this is the page from which you quoted Suzanne Blier... This article does not in anyway buttress your point so it baffles me how you keep mentioning Suzanne Blier... A scholar I introduced to you, and I remember you said some trash about her work then

Olu317:
No wonder, he flips from one angle to another without having anything fundamentally relevant to address on the issue that,he always counter well established fact at researchers have within their fold that there were large group of people who were immigrants.


As far as I am, he is a an assimilated Yoruba man. He is probably an Igodomigodo lineage,whose ancestors came to learn Yoruba through service as a votary . This is what he uses as a defense line as if he is even an initiate. And it is obvious he is a liar because, he has never even mentioned anything on ifaodu corpus. I guess it is high time one needs neglect this guy because he is the real fraud!

funny enough you Hebrew wannabes are actually the ones exposing yourselves as people without a Yoruba background

And did I just read I flip from one angle to another Mofo, that's exactly what you do. You are really incapable of addressing a single point at a time
You just go off the rails

Obalufon:
.Who are the ,beriberi ..bariba, senegal, hausa ,fulani soninke,dogon, bornu?... Middle east is as close to us as bornu state .. Did you know that Ancient kingdom of yam is located in bornu ..you can do more research on bornu and sudan because you will find the missing puzzle there to confirm the middle east migration

real sad the type of thing this one is suffering from
Middle East is as far as Bornu state